>Open bible >Chapter 1 >A talking snake People

>he doesn't understand metaphors
back to middle school with you

>>2929424
>its a metaphor
>bread becomes jesus in your mouth when you eat it in church

>>2929408
I went from generic protestant to atheist to le deus vult orthodox and now im agnostic.
Christianity keeps driving anyone with a semblance of critical thought away.
You have to be lying to yourself or willingly retarded to be a Christian.
>dude its metaphorical LMAO
no
at best you could just view the Bible as a moderately ok book of ethics but nothing else.

>>2929408
Want to know how I know you're lying, OP?

>>2929408
Haha an epic reference to the old days of 4chan before the normies invaded

>>2929434
>at best you could just view the Bible as a moderately ok book of ethics but nothing else.
>stories that have outlived many many powerful empires, being passed down generation to generation
>at best you could just view the Bible as a moderately ok book of ethic
do you know how stupid this sounds?

spoiler : jesus dies at the end

>>2929449
>dude its old it c-cant be wrong

>>2929408
how many times have we had this thread

>>2929434
You're so fucking wrong

All memes aside, all abrahamic books have exoteric (literal) meaning and esoteric (metaphorical/spiritual) meaning. The exoteric protects the esoteric, and you, my dude, just happen to be too much of a freaking moron to get this.

Go complain about your vain bullshit somewhere else

>>2929461
You're completly missing the point. Not only it is old, but it has passed all the ages until today. Your sorry ass won't be able to say the same as everything you were or did will vanish away in less than a century.

>>2929461
>dude the civilized world rose and prospered based on this code of ethics for 2000 but actually its mediocre at best because I say so

>>2929507
>last 2000 years
ah yes, the enlightenment, the product of biblical thought.

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>>2929507
>China
>India
>Arabia
>Not more civilized than Europe

Weird, I recall this thing called the Renaissance where Europeans looked to their pagan/agnostic past and began to prosper

>>2929498
Yes! And you know what they also have? Linguistic and structural meanings! Cultural and hustorical context! Things mostly lost to christians today and their translated bibles. The vast majority seems to have lost the plot, so I don't really think it is intellectually honest to call that guy particularly moronic if almost everyone else is on a similar level in the end.

>>2929521
It literally was you fucking retard. Who do you think funded it? Hint: only the church had spare cash.

>>2929431
That's a metaphor too

>>2929561
>only the church funded the enlightenment.
ok
>>2929548
no bro, the church funded everything.

>>2929561
>Only the Church
>Not the newly urbanized and wealthy patrons descended from survivors of the Black Plague who got paid 10 fold for their goods & services

>>2929467
Right? This is like the third time he's posted this in the past month.

>>2929408
Please don't promote atheism anon. It leads to degeneracy ;)

>>2929564
no it isnt

l2 faith

>>2929408
Achktually the talking snake doesn't show up until chapter 3

>>2929564
>blasphemy

either it actually turns into jesus or you're not Christian

>>2929408
Hella f*cking epic brah, you sure showed those dumb Christians hahaha lmao

>>2930934
>Christians divorce at greater rates than atheists
>somehow, THEY'RE the moral ones and the godless are "degenerates"

Christcuks really are filth.

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>Those uncivilized Christfags who used to fight man on man over a book
[Bombs women and children for oil and iPods]

>>2929561
It was the new mercantile class that had more money, you dipshit.

>>2929408
I don't get it.

It lost its legs, so was not a snake.

Would you have preferred a talking bird?

>>2930975
>hey look, there is this one animal that has no legs
>hey, i know, lets make a story where it loses its legs

>>2931003
>Ancestral snakes had legs
>Snakes lost them
Hmmmm

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>>2929564
Why doesn't the bible explicitly state this

I thought religion was supposed to be accessible

>>2931095

only priests should be allowed to read the bible. just like there's only so many shamans in the village.

2deep4 the normies

>>2929408
People die over a lot of things
Don't see you complaining about the cult of reason in revolutionary France or the league of the militant godless in state atheist Soviet Union.
You probably don't even know about the destruction of the Cossacks.

>>2930961
>[Bombs women and children for oil and iPods]
Isn't that what the US Christian Military Hegemonic Industrial Complex does?

>>2929424
>not being a literalist

Kys

>>2931010
Snakes actually have thousands of tiny tiny legs.

That's how they slither.

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>>2931107
RIP protestants

>>2931113
>muh question begging epithet
Do you have a argument that isn't muh feelings?

>>2929561
No it was not, the "Enlightenment" was a mistake and our faith has nothing to do with it.

atheists are skeptical of the existence of God, but they are credulous and gullible when you replace the word ‘God’ with another mysterious thing called ‘Morals.’

Science, is the study of natural reality. Applied science is engineering. There's a clear and distinct difference. Neither of the two provide metaphysical outlooks on life that ultimately all humans intimately search for. Science will tell me HOW I was born, but not WHY I was born for example. What it really boils down to is that almost every person has a dogma of his own that he chooses to share with others or not. Even atheists contrive ethics in the exact same manner as the religious do. While atheists reject the existence of gods and the practice of contemporary mainstream religions, they still have no problems respecting human life, but having rejected religious outlooks, they're forced to search for metaphysical value to life elsewhere. That is why the many different moral systems adopted by atheists are in reality not much different than religions. In fact, Max Stirner, a famous atheist philosopher, saw secular morality as nothing more than a new religion.

Tl;dr if you're atheist and believe in morals you're a hypocrite

>>2931154

In other words you have no evidence of God whatsoever or serious reason to believe fantastic tales from goatherders are true and want to change the subject.

>>2931107
Catholic priests have zero understanding of the bible.

In fact, the printing press was inspired by the thought that the bible in the commoner's hands would be more beneficial than having it chained to papist pulpits in a dead language.

And indeed, today a plow boy does know more about the bible than any catholic "expert".

>>2931003
Yes, there are stories about every single animal and what it used to have.

>>2929431
That's an abomination. Catholic church is full of abominations.

>>2931206
The universe God made suffices as proof of God's existence.

>>2931206
Who said I was religious?
I just hate it when supposed atheist try to virtue signal and use a moral code that rolled over from religion.

Both are spooks
You sure are pious for being a supposed atheist.

>>2931240

Who said I was an atheist? And didn't you just say morals don't exist?

>>2931236

In what way?

>>2931262
Are you religious?
Do you believe in "god(s)"?
Do you believe in "morals"?
Why are you deflecting?

Morals don't exist but you're giving off a hypocritical display.

Tell me what you believe and don't dance around it

>>2931282

Tell me what you believe, no dancing round now with random changing of the subject.

>>2931288
>Tell me what you believe, no dancing round now with random changing of the subject.
So you can't do it and attempt damage control and employ "no u"?
Did I strike a nerve?
Caught you in a lie?

>>2931295

What is the subject of this thread?

>>2931303
Your virtue signalling the supposed wrong of people dying over a belief

All sacred truths such as law, right, morality, religion etc., are nothing other than artificial concepts.

Keep the damage control up
But you're a hypocrite

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>>2931314

>any random thing I can think of to avoid discussing snakes with legs

Top kek.

>>2931324
>how dare you call me out on my bullshit
>t-talking snakes
Is it too hard to see that you said "people died over this shit"

I like how you overlook your own post
Why would this be hypocrite?

>>2931314
>>2931154
>>2931240
Your posts are cringeworthy as fuck. Your overapplication of the term "virtue signalling" reminds me of esoteric loons and their usage of the term "quantum".

Please don't use technical terms if you don't know what they mean.

>>2931342
>stop doing thing
>muh artificial concepts and labels
Elaborate

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>>2931337

I'm not OP.

Still trying to change the subject I see.

>>2931351
>I'm not Op
>but how dare you call me out on my bullshit
>here's a self pic of me and while I say you're changing the subject
Elaborate how it's a subject change when it's in the OP?

"People die over this"
Do you lack critical thinking skills?

>>2931359

At what exact point have you called anyone out on "bullshit" other than on your own mind?

>>2929424
yeah sure its a metaphor but the retards who are religious are retarded enough to believe

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>>2931119
Please don't actually believe this.

>>2931366
>At what exact point have you called anyone out on "bullshit" other than on your own mind?
The part where you say I'm changing the subject on "people died over this" which was nothing more than virtue signalling
If you left that out I wouldn't even be here.

>>2931370
>turns around and is gullible towards other artificial concepts such as law, morals, rights and property
Tu quoque

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Who cares, people die anyway. f they wanted to fight about God, what's the deal?

It's not like they were killing Atheists

>>2931373

I'm still not OP and after all your random mudslinging I don't believe for a second that your only issue is whether there has been any historical battle fought over interpretation of Genesis 1.

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>Enter thread thinking it's gonna be a religious atheist arguing
>It's extreme atheist vs atheist arguing
lol

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>>2931399

?

I'm a Muslim.

>>2931397
>I don't believe for a second that your only issue is whether there has been any historical battle fought over interpretation of Genesis 1.
I don't care about that
Might makes right.

My issue is you're virtue signalling over "people died over this shit"
What makes it wrong if people died over it?
Your artificial concepts?

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>>2931409
>muslim arguing with atheist about the bible
lol like you can throw stones

>>2931264
In the same way the Mona Lisa is proof of da Vinci's existence.

>>2931409
Atheist, muslim, devil worshiper, same thing.

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>>2931424

When Prophet Jesus (pbuh) you are going to be sorry.

>>2931427

The Mona Lisa on its own would be terrible proof of Da Vinci's existence.

>>2931435
muhammad had convulsions, foamed at the mouth and growled like a camel whenever he had visions.

No other prophet had that
Even his first wife thought it was demonic possession

>>2931435
When you see Jesus on His Great White Throne, know that your next stop is going to be hellfire, with Mohammad.

If you love Mohammad enough to go into a dark lake of fire forever, know too that you will never meet him, as there is no light there, and no communication other than weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth and, of course, screaming.

>>2931444
It would be excellent evidence of a master painter.

You could then do some research (gasp) and find out who the painter was.

>>2931445
Of course it was demonic possession. Who do you think was whispering into his ear for 20 years, but satan himself?

>>2931416
>Your artificial concepts?

Of course not, a talking snake with legs said it is wrong.

>>2931465
Keeps forgetting "people died over this"
Still waiting for you to tell me why that's wrong

>>2931095
how many books have you read where the metaphors are all intricately explained to be metaphors

>>2929424
>metaphors
>people getting burned over metaphores
I-It doesn't make it any better.

WAHAHA WHY DID PEOPLE 5000 YEARS AGO DID NOT WRITE PRECISE SCIENTIFIC LANGUAGE
>HAHAHA TALKING SNAKE
>HAHAHA MAGIC GUY ON A CLOUD

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The bible is not a book, it's a compendium of books, some of which are more historical that others.
>Genesis: Almost entirely Mythological
>Exodus: Almost entirely mythical, but may reflect Canaanite political history
...These other Mosaic books are like laws and shit
>Judges: Mythologized History, accurately reflects what one would expect from a coalescing protoState; hero Tales similar to what one finds in the Iliad
>Kings: The House of David is most likely mythologized, while the house of Omri is far more historical

>>2931468

I just told you, a talking snake with legs told me people dying is wrong. I met it yesterday at the shops.

>>2931456

So in other words the metaphor doesn't hold up.

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>>2931370

>>2931505
[Merely pretending to be retarded intensifies]

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This half hearted refutation via moralization ironically will only work on religious people who subscribe to the notion that people dying is wrong.

It's funny that they blame this on the things which tried to curb the homicidal nature of humans, instead of the atheistic motives of the killing.

Do you think the 30 years war was really about sticking it to a guy who believed something else, or do you think it was the fact that the belief in question resulted in Germany no longer giving the pope indulgence money.

Remember, children, Apes are homicidal by nature. That's the nature, and telling people not to kill when it is optimal is rare.

>>2931483
But that's not the books fault, but dumb readers.

Applies to fundamentalists as much as atheists bashing it...

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>>2931516

This is normalcy bias. There's nothing unbelievable about a talking snake with legs. Are you seriously suggesting that inter-dimensional beings don't inhabit the bodies of animals and communicate with humans?

>>2931530
There is nothing believable about any artificial concepts but thanks for outings yourself as a hypocrite.

>>2931547

The talking snake I met yesterday was very real, he was not an artificial concept. Are you saying you don't believe me?

Islam is the truest religion in the world.
It's got the fastest rising graph and has strict rules and regulations.
It's the only religion that packs a punch

>>2931555
>I'm gonna "act like a retarded"
Prove it
While you're at it prove morals, rights and property exists and are not artificial concepts

>>2931571
>Prove it

I just told you that it is true, are you saying you don't believe me? Why don't you believe me?

>>2931578
And you keep contradicting yourself
You already outed yourself here
>>2931530
Prove everything you asserted
Or did I tickle your autism, so you had to resort to shitposting to cover your insecurities?

>>2931595
>Prove everything you asserted

I met a talking snake with legs yesterday at the shops and he gave me my basis for morality, prove me wrong.

>>2931603
You're not the progenitor of humanity though.
Adam was.

>>2931603
Burden of proof is on you
You made the assertion not me

>>2931617

The burden of proof is shared equally, anon.

>>2931615

Actually I am, prove me wrong.

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>It's a atheist gets triggered by a extreme atheist so he resorts to shitposting episode

>>2931633
>The burden of proof is shared equally
Elaborate and prove it

How is it on me?

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>>2931636

>someone that doesn't believe in God has been triggered by someone that extremely does not believe in God

Did this make sense to you when you were posting it?

>>2931633
No you're not. If you were, we'd have heard about the oldest human ever using 4chans

>>2931643

How is it on me?

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>>2931636
>When a Dawkinsian realizes that his prophet is no more than a meme-man peddling his wares to disaffected teenagers who hate religion
>I'm an evolutionary biologist, but I don't believe in population genetics or kin selection, the driving force of evolution and evolution in sexual organisms respectfully

>>2931652

I've never told anyone on 4chan before.

>>2931508
It's the same analogy.

A building infers a builder.
A painting infers a painter.
Creation infers a Creator.

>>2931656
You made the assertion

burden of proof
phrase of burden
1.
the obligation to prove one's assertion.

>>2931662
your seductions aren't working on me trap boy

>>2931665

You said the painting itself wasn't good enough,

>>2929424
I suppose the only two humans on Earth creating everyone else through massive amounts of incest is supposed to be a metaphor right? Or the daughters getting their dad drunk and fucking him is a metaphor? Or the entire world flooding?

>>2931530
This is an excellent point. Especially as the base word for serpent in this instance is similar to the base word for enchanter, and the bible goes on to point out that the serpent in the garden of Eden was none other than the devil himself.

>>2931569
It's a cult. A bullshit cult invented by a psychotic murderous pedophile listening to the devil whisper in his ear.

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>>2931647
The part where the extreme atheist says laws, morals, rights, property etc. are artificial concepts like religion and if you're a atheist and believe in them you're a hypocrite.

>>2931667

You're making the assertion I didn't meet a talking snake with legs at the shop yesterday. Please explain why my word on this matter isn't acceptable to you.

>>2931680
You made the assertion first that you did and I asked for proof.

Is it that hard to look at your former posts?

>>2931670
The painting suffices to know there was a painter.

Investigation will result in identifying the painter.

The creation suffices to know that there is a Creator.

Investigation will result in identifying the Creator as YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

You look at the painting and say there is no painter, in this analogy. That the pigments evolved from nothing. The canvas evolved from nothing. Everything came from nothing, and exploded, and produced the order we see.

It's the worldview of a madman.

>>2931677

Everyone knows those are social constructs, like religion.

It doesn't make talking snakes real.

>>2931689

Please explain why my word on this matter isn't acceptable to you.

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>>2931677
Most Atheists probably don't believe in them, but since our society is based on Christian Morals, Atheists commonly claim to uphold them as secular institutions with a variety of different reasons behind doing so, some more retarded than others.

But if you are an Atheist and do sincerely believe in the inalienable value of the human life, you're retarded.

>>2931674
>psychotic murderous pedophile
he was the most peaceful man ever and never killed anyone by his hand.
Everything he ever did was in self defence.
All the wars were started by spergs like you because islam was spreading too fast.
If a perfect human being like Muhammad (PBUH) can't marry a loli and take care of her, then I don't know who can.
Also that wife of his loved till the end. She didn't hate him for marrying her.

>>2931693
His original gripe was the last part of OP's post saying people died over this.

He asked why that was wrong
And it seemed to piss them off.

>>2931698
See >>2931505
Which is funny because soon after you out yourself >>2931530

>>2931693
Fuck your postmodernism right in its useless ass.

>>2931705
He beheaded 800 men and boys of the Jewish tribe living peacefully next to him just to loot them. No war, no betrayal, just sheer savagery and looting.

He is a lying thief, a murderer, possessed by demons, and a pedophile.

You can follow him to hell if you want, but that's where you'll end up.

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>>2931721
Oh, but this is the culmination of progress, anon. This is what happens when you foster individualism and value defection.

This is the cancer of Humanism, secular in nature, and vile in temperament. When everyone is told to only care for oneself and to live a hedonistic life, they throw away all things that may hinder them to help the community.

Laws, morals, religion, culture: all thrown in the bin to accommodate further excess. A defector in a society of cooperators thrives, while a society of defectors flounders.

You've torn down the grand edifice of God, and the comforting lies about His nature in order to scam a system that is now spiraling down to total defection.

>>2931726
The jews committed crimes against the muslims in medinah because they thought the muslims weren't going to do anything about it and were trying to strike deals with the mekkans to invade medinah. That's what led to their expulsion from medinah. They still didn't stop their evil plans and the muslims had to fight them at their fortresses.

>lying thief
he didn't steal anything

>pedophile
when he was 25 he married khadijah who was 40. They stayed together and never married another woman till she died. Even after that most of the women he married were widows.
Nice grandstanding you namecalling bag of hatred

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>>2931130
Dude...

>>2931749
Semites always pull this shit. The vibe feels unique to their buttfuck region.

>ooo jeeeeez this guy really hurt me now i have to utterly decimate everything he has known and loved with my penis and my sword

I wish nose cancer was the most prevalent in the world

>>2930943
>muh transubstantiation

Substance is literally a philosophical term coined by the ancient greeks and is part of one branch one select type of philosophy. Adhere to a different metaphysical understanding and the whole thing is bullshit.

>>2931228
>what is the seminary

>>2931691
for fucks sake
I know they are people who do this kind of mental gymnastics for real but I'm going to pretend you're trolling so that I won't get triggered

Christianity was always based on white supremacy since its founding

look at what the Renaissance authors did to Jesus they made him white as well as the other biblical figures

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Christianity was always based on asian supremacy since its founding

look at what the Chinese authors did to Jesus they made him asian as well as the other biblical figures

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Christianity was always based on black supremacy since its founding

look at what the Ethiopian authors did to Jesus they made him black as well as the other biblical figures