>1785 >telling a lie Who /Kantianism/ here? Utilitarians

>>292251
>Kant
>Denying us nice things since 1785

Thanks for "Art" bruh, but Imma go look at some Kitsch now.

That ain't even a lie.

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>duty-based ethics

>>292322
>>292291

>not following your god given duty to do good

jesus

>>292333
>Slavishly following an ideal conception of "the good"
You destroyed Art, Kant. You made it an immaterial Ideal and opened the doors for Conceptual Art. Haven't you done enough already?

>>292364
>>292322
>>292291

if kant isn't the way then who is?

>>292377
Ignore them. They just kant handle it

>>292251
>being to proud to be ruled over but to weak not to be tyrannized by something

Kant should have stopped after his first critique. Practical reason and judgement ruined the series' reputation.

>>292390
>inb4 too

Kant credited an ethics system where you can't lie to save your own children's life but you can fuck your friend's wife behind his back as long as you are ok with being in an open relationship.

>>292377
Max Stirner

kant's an example of exactly when philosophy stopped being relevant

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>>292401
That is a caricature of his system, there are overlapping duties.

However
>rationalist ethics
>mfw

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>>292412
>Max Stirner
>The philosophy of Max Stirner is credited as a major influence in the development of nihilism, existentialism, post-modernism, and anarchism

>nihilism
>existentialism
>post-modernism
>anarchism

absolute edgelord tier

>>292461
I'm sure you also learned about what those terms mean from /pol/

Also considering the 1800s were dominated by existentialism, and the 1900s were a continuation of it. You are basically saying you don't like any remotely recent philosophy.

>>292497

>muh pol boogieman

you don't need to be from /pol/ to be against anarchism and nihilism

>>292251
Kant was an abominable racist so, no.

>>292507
Stirnir nihilism is very admirable and advanced, it's not the pussy shitty Camus made. As for his anarchism it's not a core part of his writing.

What you are doing is the equivalent of saying Plato shouldn't be read because the Republic is a bad idea.

Kant's system is pure shit and has way too many examples of why

Utilitarianism pretty much only excels in retarded scenarios like le trolley problem, everywhere else it grows into disgusting "sacrifice yourself for the mass" ideas

Out of all the "big systems" I'd actually consider Aristoteles' virtue ethics to be the most favourable. People bring up shit like "hurr durr holocaust is justified when its done by a virtuous human" but the truth is a virtuous human simply would not do this - It's especially compatible when you throw in determinism. Therefore it has practical applications unlike these retarded codes/laws that fail in half the real life situations.

>>292543
Therefore you can't describe what a virtuous man is without a reference to his moral or immoral actions.

>>292523
who wasn't back then? i'm sure Kant would be a SJW today

This thread is now the property of the unique one.

Idealists and Immaterial Transcendentalists please stand aside.

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>>292718

SPOOKS GET OUT

>Continental philosophy (yes, it includes Kunt)
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>>292251
>muh categorical imperatives!

>>292998
You do realize Kant's most famous book forms part of the foundation of your autistic analytics? Of course you don't, analytic know nothing about philosophy including their own stuff.

Kant had better aesthetics than ethics to be quite honest with all of you, my family.

>>292543
>le trolley problem

The only correct choice is not to touch the switch.

>>293068
The answer to the trolley problem is to pull the fucking switch because it makes for better press coverage. If you just there nobody will remember your name but if you pull the switch than the news is going to be all over you. You will get invited to talk shows and might even get a book deal.

>>293015
>He doesn't know about Quine

>>293186
The guy that basically destroyed that said the contential/analytic divide never happened and BTFO the very foundation of early analytics?

>>292377
aristotle
seneca
spinoza
the list goes on

>>293186
frege started analyic philosophy as a reponse to kant u dumbass

>>293233

muh spinoza

>>293233
spinoza made literally no notable contributions

>>292461
That's not a sound argument against a philosophy.

>>292531
>As for his anarchism it's not a core part of his writing.

It's actually incidental from his central conclusion.

>>293281
Spinoza's concept of a grand 'thing' that is relevant to all interactions and things is an idea that had not been explored in his time since the pre-socratics (example Heraclitus's flux). You could call it grand metaphysics if you want. He revived grand metaphysics.

This would go on to influence Hegel's Spirit and Schopenhauer Will. Both these two philosophers would go onto influence a ton of other big names while being rockstars themself.

Spinoza's ideas are also somewhat important to real physics. Einstein and a lot of high end physicists follow Spinoza. A side note the grand metaphysics of other philosophers have gone on to be useful in science. Heraclitus is now seen as the grandfather of quantumphysics for instance.

Spinoza's ethics are not as important though.

>needing other people to tell you what's right and what isn't

lol

>caring about right and wrong in the first place

LOL

>>294478

confirmed for sociopathy, scheduled for execution by firing squad.

>>295107
Calm down, Sam Harris

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>>292461
>putting existentialism in the list
oh god you got me there

>>293207
Yeah that one. 'Analytics' isn't really an essential part of analytic philosophy, the name really says very little about the discourse.
>>293239
Partially, sure, but that seems like an oversimplification.

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>>292543
>Aristotles virtue based ethics
>not diogenes
God damn plebian.

>being against Kantian ethics
If this is you then you are pure hypocritical scum. "Le one rule for me and le another rule for others" is a joke system of ethics.

Kant's duty based ethics is the ONLY way.

>letting an old fart tell you how to live your life
>not following your instincts and feelings and what you want instead
Emotivism for lyfe

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>>292251
From that to this, what went wrong?

>>292998
Protip the analytical/continental divide is a 20th, and mayyyyyybe late 19th century thing. Using it retroactively is retarded.

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>>292718
>>292721
>>292788