Why didn't the western allies just attack the Soviet Union

>>2921632
turns out most people dont like fighting wars

>>2921632
Their forces were inferior to the Soviet forces and civilian populations wouldn't support another war.

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>>2921632
>hahaha hey guys, let's commit to another 5 years of war and another 50 million deaths to backstab our allies lol fuck communism
Roosevelt was right not to follow Churchill's idea for Op Unthinkable.

No support for the war.

Hard to justify giving an ally billions in military equipment and then attacking them.

Supply line from America into Russia is pretty fucking long even with dominance at sea and in the air.

Also, they didn't know for sure the Soviets were going to do what they did at the time.

>>2921645
They already had 27 million dead, they couldn't keep fighting forever.

>>2921632
why didn't the western allies just continue world war 2 till everyone who wasn't white was turned to ash?
would have saved alot of suffering

>>2921645

Inferior in number only and that could quickly be changed. Also, nukes and air superiority.

But that said, it would have been a shitty idea. At the time they still thought they might have to invade Japan to get unconditional surrender and that would take time.

Also, the Cold War let the US go full imperialists and bring most of the richest nations under it's control by hyping up the Soviet threat. It worked great!

>>2921665
Their army at the conclusion of the War was bigger than it was at any point of the conflict.

>>2921632
why continue in conventional means of warfare when you can be the first to introduce nuclear warfare and start a nuclear pissing test. also russia forces were far greater, and easily could have invaded from the pacific which they would've

>>2921645
they had nukes

>>2921645
>Their forces were inferior to the Soviet forces

They could have just nuked them though.

>>2921685
And one single nuke could turn them all to ashes.

>>2921632
Soviets had millions of troops on the field. Millions. But Patton wanted to go for it anyway, and he was probably right to want to do so. Ironically, killing those millions of Soviet troops would have saved tens of millions of Soviet citizens.

>>2921683
it didn't work out great.
Russia is back

>>2921692
You actually aren't equipped to seriously engage in this discussion.

>>2921702
liberals like you are the reason the west has declined since world war 2

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Some people wanted to.
I think the other Allies could have won, but the cost would have been enormous.

>>2921699

Wouldn't be so big a problem if we didn't elect an actual retarded person for President...

>>2921687

Russia could have invaded the US from the Pacific?

Cause that's ridiculous. Russia had a manpower advantage in Europe but was overwhelmingly out classed at sea.

>>2921710
would have been worth it

>>2921713
Yes, Obama inflicted untold damage on the US.

>>2921728
Wrong, America needed another power to balance it out. Look at what happened when USSR fell, America has completely ruined its reputation and standing because they don't know how to handle being the sole superpower.

>>2921713
You're talking like you had a viable alternative.

>>2921734
America likes it

>>2921721
>nuclear subs are introduced
alaska would become fob almost immediately,
>attack further east lads we can win
>repeating nazi germany mistakes
>communism spreads like a cancer
>welcome to the new timeline

>>2921710
Western allies are so delusional it's funny, "We beat the might of Italy, Japan and what was left of German forces in 1944 we're the heroes!" fat burger bastard the Soviets could have taken the entirety of Europe if they chose to just be glad for Stalin's mercy.

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>>2921741
"no"

>>2921750
>soviet army stands among europeans so the nukes kill them both

>>2921692
If they were standing in the same place maybe

>>2921753
>russia itself gets nuked until they surrender

>>2921757
good luck having that many nukes
russia is a big country

>>2921755
there were literally millions of them its not like they were an urban guerrilla force hiding within a civilian population

>>2921750
And what do you do when you've used your two nukes? We lost 27 million people and couldn't be stopped we could have conquered Europe so easily it is funny. God I wish Patton and Churchill attack the Soviet Union we'd have slaughtered every American and occupied London and you'd have just be powerless to do anything about it.

>>2921759
>>2921761
*builds more nukes*

Just nuke Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad lel.

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>>2921761
>We

>>2921766
ally planes would freeze and fall out of the sky before they could land the nukes

>>2921769
fuggggggggggg XDDDDDDDDD

>>2921763
Build enough in time to stop the Soviets from annexing all of Europe? LOL, stop being silly Brandon.

>>2921770
russia was colder in the past comrade

>>2921769
Citation?

>>2921775
Well Vlady, the Soviets would have had to fight their way through France and getting to Britain would not have been easy either so I think the US could have gotten its industrial might to produce more A-bombs in time.

>>2921713
The Russians were already in Crimea by the time elections came.

A wiser choice would have been allying with the axis to take out commies and THEN fuck the axis.
It's all Britain's fault desu.

>>2921731
>>2921736

Obama sucked at foreign policy, true. He was good at PR rallies, but caved like a bitch on too many issues and seemed weak.

Trump legit doesn't seem to know basic world history or geopolitics. His tweets are oftentimes just counterfactual, not to mention self inflicted wounds.

Hillary was a corrupt and a shitty leader, but at least not so daft.

> Yfw you realize the socialist grandpa with no foreign policy experience was the best Democrat

> Yfw swarmy fucking Cruz would have been better, or Rubiobot

President Ryan when?

>>2921738
Their new leader's rethoric is all about how America has decayed, isn't great anymore and everyone is laughing at them.

Deep down, you neocons were right, that the American ethos demanded an adversary.

>>2921813

A region of massive technological and industrial output...

Ooh, and they got some scraps of $6,000 per capital income Gerogia contested too. What a fucking prize.

>>2921740

> Alaska is a fob for invading America
> Thousands of miles away with one highway up to it.

Have fun with your supply line running from the industrial base across Siberia and down the Canadian coast all while having no Navy and no air superiority...

>>2921821
>President Ryan when?
Over my dead body.

And like most of the deranged left, Trump is so far above you that you can't crane your neck to see the soles of his shoes.

>>2921838
you underestimate russians

>>2921826
That wasn't my point. My point is that Russia was back at power-grabbing a long-ass time ago, it's just that nobody was paying atention until the Trump started making scenes.

If (if!) Putin really helped putting Trump in the Oval Office, it was not the game-changer people make it out to be. Trump isn't overtly involved in setting USA's policy on the Baltics or Ukraine, and his MENA policy seems a continuation of Obama's (or maybe even more neocon-ish). His big international splash so far was jumping ship on the Paris agreement and that was more embarassing than outright harmful - the agreement was never binding in the first place.

If anything, Trump is accidentaly ramping up the case for EU integration in the federalist's minds - I've never heard adults seriously discussing EU military integration before - which is totally aligned with Euromaidan's goals and contrarian to Putin's.

No, no this is about USA invading Soviets following ww2. Take your contemporary hit somewhere else.

>>2921850
Then describe to the rest of us (non-kekistanis, or whatever you call yourselves these days) what his shoes look like, since you got such a high viewpoint from all the way up Trump's asshole.

>>2921838
you underestimate mother russia anon.
you lack strategic imagination anon.
japan invaded alaskan islands securing tradelines through the pacific and due to terrain canadian/us forces struggled to eject them for nearly a year. and that was a small force.

alaska is strategic goldmine

>one highway in and out
>implying this is a bad thing for invading forces

>>2921923
*notices ur single centralized supply line*
owo whats this...?
*drops bombs*

>>2921923

> Invade US without naval or air superiority

> Cross thousands of miles of hostile Canadian wilderness with no place to forage and which becomes impassable in winter

> Get to US soil

> Can't go right for Seattle because of US fleet

> Have to go for Eastern Washington/Idaho


> It's a sparsely inhabited mountainous region full of heavily armed frontier folk hostile to you.

Have fun.

>>2921699

>Russia
>anything but a paper tiger

>>2921956
>heavily armed frontier folk hostile to you.
the regular russian is 10x more hostile

>>2921821
>>2921850
>>2921877

You had perfect candidates in Rand and/or Webb, but your country is filled with retards that prefer the person who screams louder, can't blame you it's not like there is a difference in any western country

>>2921956
>impassable in winter
laughs in russian

Debating historical decisions using hindsight is boring. Everything is obvious. I never understood why people asks questions such as these.

The Allies didn't attack the USSR because they could not have foreseen the role Soviet Union was going to play as an antagonist superpower. Especially not how much of a threath nukes would be and how fast the USA would lose their monopoly on it. Maybe even if they saw that coming, they would still not be willing to escalate the war even more. In their minds, they figured it was best to have what was seen as an incompetent communist government in Russia as an enemy than an axis of powers craving war.

It was only by the very end of the war that everybody realized the mistake they made by not looking ahead. It was too late to turn back and attack then. USSR was already in a state of mobilization almost beyond human comprehension. Even if the Allies won, it would have taken the soul out of every human being in the world. We're talking deaths by the hundreds of millions at the end of it all.

>>2921970
Both Rand and Webb are literally insane.

>>2921709
>yfw this entire thread has just been bait set by /pol/

>>2922052

Elaborate

>>2922052

Rand or Ryan are best GOP options desu fan

Don't mind Rubio on policy but he's not smart enough to be a good POTUS.

>>2922107
If Rand and Ryan are the best the GOP can do, there is no reason for the GOP to exist.

>>2922107
>>2922123
>no Jim Webb President

Just fucking end it senpai

>>2921632
Look up "Operation Unthinkable"
Churchill scrapped that, because he though Soviets were going to colapse any day now

>>2921665
The US could've opened up a two front War with Russia, All the seasoned Army units in Europe would've hit them and all the Marine/Army units would've hit them from the Pacific. We probably would've have naval superiority for what it was worth as well as air superiority to do bombing runs on their supply lines and industrial areas. Also, if it means anything, the US had always been good at stomping the shit out of a zerg rush, even when they do lose they stomp on them so hard they can't continue.

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>>2922127
This

>not wanting that political sweet spot with Jim Webb

>>2921695
>this is what liberals actually believe