Latin American countries never stood a chance. The mere existance

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>>2919186
I can see slamming mexico but why are we to blame for Brazil?

>>2919186
>USA meddling is the cause of all political crises in that region
Makes TONS of sense. That's why all the USSR backed states like Venezuela and Cuba are flourishing today.

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the latin Americas were so weak and corrupt if America didn't establish a sphere of influence other country's would have taken their place

But Argentina and Chile had huge economies in 1900 and were taking in European immigrants by the boatload.

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>>2919186

>>2919192

Brazil is in many instances it's own thing in LA, OP is kinda right but not as much as he/she thinks

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if the Latinos in south America were more unified they would have a chance to compete even today

but race has played a huge part since their foundations as independent county's

introduction of harmful ideologies didn't help either

This. Brasil in particular, fucking anglo-amerigan influenced democracy and other cancerous lib shit are the main reason our country is ruined.

>literally chooses socialism in the 21st century
Venezulea deserves everything it gets tbqh
The rest of the continent is truly a sad story, but it's their own corruption that is hindering them. If the US even intervened in the slightest we could have the entire continent licking our asses. There is truly no reason for non-democracy in the 21st century

>>2919321
/thread

>>2919306
>implying we ever adopted "lib shit" straight from US

c'mon it's kinda a consensus at this point on social studies that "democracy", "liberalism" and "enlightenment" were imparted very poorly (if/when they were) in Brazil.

Latour is kinda right on this imo (take it with a grain of salt) we were never modern

>>2919186
Literally the only reason European countries didn't just reconquer Latin America is because of the Monroe doctrine. Mexico was nearly conquered by France, Venezuela was nearly conquered by Britain, etc.

>>2919321

Venezuela chose oil and crony capitalism. Socialism has quite little to do with it. Most oil states also heavily subsidize everything, just look at the Gulf nations.

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>>2919186
>When and if US fall, South America will be first to shine.

The U.S. is already falling, and South America is already shining.

South America is pretty much out of America's sphere of influence today, at least more so than any other continent.

In fact the US reestablishing ties to Cuba was pretty much so that the US can retain/reclaim influence over the South.

Only the most braindead 'Merican armchair strategists would refuse to see this.

>>2919186
The Monroe doctrine was more of suggestion. The US at the time had no way to enforce it, and subsequentially France would invade Mexico, Spain would retain their colonies, Britain would enforce asymmetrical "free trade" agreements with various Latin American countries that would give them a bad taste of such economics. Latin America has a shoddy relationship with free market economics why state interventionism was usually more popular.

During the reign of Dom. Pedro II of the Brazilian Empire, Brazil at the time was equal with the US in gdp and development. There was one difference, and that was capitalist investment. USA at this time was building WAY more railroads that the miserly amount Brazil was making. In addition to that, the political situation would destabilize with a coup after Isabella's rushed abolition of slavery. Political instability would also discourage foreign investment.

Then comes the 20th century and Latin America develops an affinity for socialism/communism. The occasion seizing or nationalization of private property would also discourage foreign investment.

>tl;dr
>Latin America hates capitalism, loves big government, politically unstable, likes socialism.

what is in the water down there that these dumb fucks can't stop falling for socialism?

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>>2919186
Latin American countries are fucked up because they were never intended to be stable functioning states. The Spanish and Portuguese set them up to be resource extraction operations. They existed purely for the benefit of their master countries.

The USA and Canada didn't have nearly as much easily accessible wealth like the Aztec and Inca gold mines. They were settled by people looking to develop the land and create a better society.

Latin American colonies were a short term cash grab with no sustainability planning, the US and Canada were long term projects that sought to build wealth and society in the long run.

>>2919186
I need more of this character.

>>2919391
just like my viccy 2

>>2919430
>the fucking idiots didn't build liquor factories
They deserve their fate desu

>>2919405
They don't treat their workers well and unregulated capitalism has only produced corrupt oligarchs who hoard the countries wealth and lick the ballsacks of the big business overseas, elites from their own countries of origin or Washington's. It's really not surprising, when you hear someone talking about giving the poor and workers more rights that socialism sounds attractive.

>>2919405
Latin American strongman meme pretty much fucked their concept of politics for a century

>>2919417

It probably also doesn't help that Spain lost most of its human capital after striking it rich in Latin America

>>2919243
Argentine is white?

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>>2919391
>>2919417
these pretty much sums it up

add racial tension as well

>>2919186
I fail to see how Brazil could have ever become a power. It was a slave society, more similar to Haiti pre-revolution than to other countries in America.

As for Mexico, I think a too great share of its population were Indios.

>>2919540
>I think a too great share of its population were Indios.
Historians won't even touch this subject but it is true that culture and genetics are reflected in the societies we build

>>2919610
It's really quite absurd. It's pretty obvious that the whitest countries in Latin America are the best, and the blackest are the worst, but we're supposed to ignore that.

>>2919662
Because their whole ideology is based on the concept that all humans are equal in every regard. Which puts them on par with right-wing evolution deniers in terms of their rejection of science.

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>>2919540
>>2919610
>>2919662
>>2919675
>Tenochtitlan was founded on an islet in the western part of the lake in the year 1325. Around it, the Aztecs created a large artificial island using a system similar to the creation of chinampas. To overcome the problems of drinking water, the Aztecs built a system of dams to separate the salty waters of the lake from the rain water of the effluents. It also permitted them to control the level of the lake. The city also had an inner system of channels that helped to control the water.

>During Cortés' siege of Tenochtitlan in 1521, the dams were destroyed, and never rebuilt, so flooding became a big problem for the new Mexico City built over Tenochtitlan.

>Mexico City suffered from periodic floods; in 1604 the lake flooded the city, with an even more severe flood following in 1607. Under the direction of Enrico Martínez, a drain was built to control the level of the lake, but in 1629 another flood kept most of the city covered for five years.

>Eventually the lake was drained by the channels and a tunnel to the Pánuco River, but even that could not stop floods, since by then most of the city was under the water table. The flooding could not be completely controlled until 1967, with the construction of a Deep Drainage System.

>The ecological consequences of the draining were enormous. Parts of the valleys were turned semi-arid, and even today Mexico City suffers for lack of water. Due to overdrafting that is depleting the aquifer beneath the city, Mexico City is estimated to have dropped 10 meters in the last century. Furthermore, because soft lake sediments underlie most of Mexico City, the city has proven vulnerable to soil liquefaction during earthquakes, most notably in the 1985 earthquake when hundreds of buildings collapsed and thousands of lives were lost.

>inb4 stop posting pasta
stop pushing your supremacist bullshit
you're worse than wewuzing niggers

>>2919707
>the savages who ripped the still beating hearts of children out of their chests then kicked them down the pyramid steps built some good damns
>whitey BTFO
Get the fuck out of here faggot

>>2919707
I fail to see what your post has anything to do with what I've said.

Tenochtitlan was an impressive city, we can all agree. And?

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>>2919718
Barely 42 sacrificed children have been found in the most important temple of the empire. 42 children in 200 years.
The Spanish slaughtered 8 000 nobles and their children on the same spot in a couple of hours, without a declaration of war and thus starting hostilities with the Aztecs while being guests in the empire's capital.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_in_the_Great_Temple

>>2919754
>defending one of the most barbaric cultures in human history
/leftypol/ needs to go back

>>2919707
This thread is about post colonial nations, you seem to have mistaken it for a pre-columbian thread.

>>2919417
This.

>>2919186
>That didn't stop Spain and Portugal from establishing global empires.
It did help them get completely overshadowed by the Anglos and Dutch

>>2919540
The population being more indio in mexico doesn't hinder it at all. Thats just being unironically racist.

>>2920129
Reality is unironically racist

>>2919186
>That didn't stop Spain and Portugal from establishing global empires.
Their retarded economic policies based literally just off collecting and hoarding gold did, though.

Democracies ruined Latin America this is a fact.
They operate better under dictatorships or even Imperial kings.

>>2920157
Aztecs were doing fine all things considered and you know it. The old world in general had a big head start by being settled much sooner and by larger groups than the Americas.

this belongs in int, also, fuck south america, really

>>2920185
Compare the Aztecs with the Nordics and you get a similar picture.

>>2920185
>Aztecs were doing fine all things considered and you know it.
Okay? What's your point? How does that comment have anything to do with the subject at hand, namely the fact that Mexico's demographic structure is holding it back?

>>2920157
It's really not.

>>2920209
Indians aren't what's holding Mexico back, if anything not embracing the culture, which is the nations roots is what is holding it back. Since it has no pride in it's own culture, it looks elsewhere to copy forever being slaves to foreign influence instead of determining their own destiny.

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>>2920223
Thoughts on this man?

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>>2919186
What would a modernized Amazonian country in Brazil look like today?

>>2920247
A big meme, he did some things right but his faults eclipse his achievements imo. He was also a paper tiger, the original revolution to depose him triumphed in less than a year, after that it was nearly a decade of senseless inter-warlord violence and more uprisings. His biggest mistake was trying to be the a king instead of setting up actual institutions, once again proving strongmen rule can be effective in the short term but in the long run is a terrible idea.

>>2920209
What does Mexico's demographic have anything to do with anything at all? The Natives particularly in that region were self-sustaining and civilization had reconstructed itself numerous times. If the Aztecs didn't last, something would have replaced it down the line, that shows through Mesoamerica's previous history. People can point to whatever instances of human sacrifice, which in larger amounts is only unique to the Aztecs and no other group of Mesoamericans, but in no other way does the word barbaric even apply to them in a historical sense.

>>2920167

Spain and Portugal had a pretty strong trade systems

>>2920223
>Indians aren't what's holding Mexico back, if anything not embracing the culture, which is the nations roots is what is holding it back.
What? Embracing a human sacrificing cannibalistic culture would make Mexico more prosperous?

>>2920425
>What does Mexico's demographic have anything to do with anything at all?
It has a huge number of people who are not fit for Western-type civilization.

>>2919355
>The U.S. is already falling, and South America is already shining.
South america is growing slower than the US.They are doing as bad as ever

>>2919417
>Latin American countries are fucked up because they were never intended to be stable functioning states. The Spanish and Portuguese set them up to be resource extraction operations. They existed purely for the benefit of their master countries.
>This meme again
Spain invested way more on the infrastructure of its colonies than any other colonial country.

>>2920460
>It has a huge number of people who are not fit for Western-type civilization.
How? Give some good reasons.

>Embracing a human sacrificing cannibalistic culture
Are all of your judgments on civilizations based on emotional woman reasoning? That wasn't the only aspect of their culture, nor was it a common one in groups other than the Aztecs. I guess the Romans were shit because they threw people in arenas with wild animals and criminals to watch as entertainment, right?

>>2920497
Human sacrifice was like 80% of Aztec culture. The other 20% was wars and enslaving. I don't know how stupid or how much of a LARPER you are, but if Mexico started doing this it would get invaded by the UN

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>>2920497
Not him, but the average IQ in Mexico is barely 90. You can't function in a modern western civilization to any reasonable extent with such a pathetically low IQ.

There is not even one Latin American country with an average IQ of even 100.

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Agreed, but pic related is 100% Brazil

>>2920497
>How? Give some good reasons.
Low IQ, and behavioral characteristics which are more fit for hunter gatherer type civilizations (especially extreme violence).

>Are all of your judgments on civilizations based on emotional woman reasoning? That wasn't the only aspect of their culture, nor was it a common one in groups other than the Aztecs. I guess the Romans were shit because they threw people in arenas with wild animals and criminals to watch as entertainment, right?
What was the other part of their culture? Mass slavery?

And the Romans were certainly brutal. I wouldn't recommend Italy starting gladiator fights again.

>>2920516
>literal great depression-tier crash in the modern era
How?

>>2919345
>nationalize companies on a whim
>not socialism
lmao

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>>2919391
> Brazil at the time was equal with the US in gdp and development
Do you have a source for this? Because turn of the century US was the most industrial country in the world with more steel production and railroad track laid than most of Europe put together.

>>2920509
>Human sacrifice was like 80% of Aztec culture. The other 20% was wars and enslaving.
It wasn't, it was a large part but it certainly didn't account for everything. The entire infrastructure of Tenochtitlan wasn't made from the blood of sacrifice. If you don't know anything about Mesoamerica other than human sacrifice, you shouldn't talk about it.
I don't know where you got the idea that I think they should revive human sacrifice, I critized that statement for that reason and that reason only.

>>2920548
>Architecture is culture
Do you seriously believe that replacing cathedrals with pyramids would solve anything?
>I don't know where you got the idea that I think they should revive human sacrifice, I critized that statement for that reason and that reason only.
Because Aztec culture was heavily based around slavery and human sacrifices.They often raided and attacked other tribes to get enslaved and sacrifice fodder.

>>2919777
>defending
Not an argument, buddy.

Maybe niggers are inferior, but savage europeans couldn't compare to mayans and incas.

>>2919186
Hispanic American countries never stood a chance as their >liberators were a bunch of edgy masons that went full fedora on a society that loved the church and was only held together by Spain.
Bolivar failed to realize that the only thing keeping Peru and Venezuela in the same country was Spain.And as soon as they got rid of Spain meme countries spawned out of nowhere due every minor dispute.For example as Venezuela was more conservative than Colombia they decided to secede from Colombia all along.
Charles the IV was planning on creating a loose confederacy in which one relative would become the king of each Viceroyalty and Spain would keep all the islands of the empire.This would have been a nice corner stone for the formation of their countries and would have created real powerhouses due the huge waves of inmigrants that would have settled in places like California or Texas.
The independence wars empobrished all the countries involved and created very weak countries in which any foreign power could intervene if they wanted to.

>>2920559
>but savage europeans couldn't compare to mayans and incas.
kek.This delusion

>>2920554
>Architecture is culture
It kind of is. You ever notice how every culture throughout the ages had their own distinct style? Anyway, you're also completely ignoring other factors that would need to maintain a city of that size. Besides that, I'm not the one who said that Mexico should revive it's original culture, so you can stop arguing with me based on that.

>>2920484
>Spain invested more
Yea on its mining, and plantation operations.
They didn't invest on any long term wealth building institution though.

>>2920580
>Charles the IV was planning

Oh, for Christ sake... Carlos IV would've had trouble planning how to get out of a wet paperbag. He spent his whole life being an miserable failure as a man, an abject trainwreck at governing, and it's best to keep silence about his qualities as a father.

>>2920559
>savage europeans couldn't compare to mayans and incas
I hope you have your heart ripped out of your chest and thrown in a fire.

>>2920634
>They didn't invest on any long term wealth building institution though.
They invested a lot on ship building,education,cities and roads.In fact unlike the 13 colonies that were totally agrarian they had some manufacturing going on

>>2920643
>Oh, for Christ sake... Carlos IV would've had trouble planning how to get out of a wet paperbag. He spent his whole life being an miserable failure as a man, an abject trainwreck at governing, and it's best to keep silence about his qualities as a father.
t.mason
He was a decent king and was a reformist.It is not his fault that Napoleon chimped out

>>2920647
>manufacturing
How retarded do you have to be to actually believe that the Latin Americans were more industrially advanced that the Americans?

>>2920656
>How retarded do you have to be to actually believe that the Latin Americans were more industrially advanced that the Americans?
America had no manufacturing until independence.Hamilton had to put very high tariffs to kickstart American manufacturing as the Brittish had banned most non agrarian commercial activities on their colonies

>>2920666
>Spain, let alone its colonies, had anything resembling modern industry before the late 1800's
Have you been reading too much Jarrod diamond m8?

>>2920581
>this delusion
>tfw those humans arrived to america 15000 years later yet surpassed europe 2 times
Yeah bud. A (((delusion))) amIrite?

LMAO

>>2920676
So, try to guess where was built the largest warship of the 18th century...

>>2920666
Ehhh not true, although your overall point is accurate.

The USA and Spanish colonies were similarly "industrialized" in 1800. Yet, the type of industrialization/manufacturing was different, and this hurt the spanish colonies.

In 1800, New England and parts of NYC/Philly/Norfolk were quite industrialized. They focused on textiles and shipbuilding though, as well as small arms for the settlers out west.

Spanish colonies had manufacturing power in mining and forestry alongside some shipbuilding. Yet, their 1810-1830 period of wars and rebellions really screwed up their development and destroyed much of their manufacturing.
Let's not also discount the effect of the racial/cultural divide and the fact the USA was far more united than the former spanish colonies. Big united nations simply work better in the long run.

>>2920676
>Doesn't know what the navigation acts are
>Tries to talk shit
All British colonies werecbanned by Britain to compete with British industry. If it wasn't for Hamilton the US would be redneck central as Jefferson wanted

>>2920687
Cont*

In 1787, New England produced 50-60% of the capital goods used by the USA. That's a manufacturing base.

The racial/cultural divide still ravages the American south and cities to this day. It was even worse in most spanish colonies since the divide was much more cultural. Inequality in social mobility was insane in 1800 Spanish colonies.

>>2920693
>would be redneck central as Jefferson wanted
And this is a good thing!

I honestly think that tropical places were at a severe disatvantage before the invention of air conditioning. I live in the American South, if your AC goes out during the hot months, it saps your energy very hard and gives you brain fog. All you want to do is take a nap until it cools off a little at night.

In cold places, people could always build a fire to warm up their house. Cooling and dehumidifying hot air has only been around for about 50 years.

Here in the U.S, the South has been booming since the proliferation of AC huge amounts of federal investment, and big improvments in race relations.

By the time AC was around, Latin America was still running basically as giant plantations like Dixie, but they didn't have a rich federal government to spend billions on infrastructure, military bases, and government services to give them a boost up and kickstart a modern economy.

It's so damn hard to be productive if you're in a tropical or subtropical climate without AC.

>All of these convoluted answers for something that is so obvious

They're tri-racial people that are a mix of low IQ natives + low IQ black slaves + middling IQ southern european whites.

What else do you honestly expect other than a third world shithole?

>>2919186
Do large-breasted tribal women even exist?

>>2919261
>>2920298
...woah

>>2919186
Stop posting my wife you fuckin creep

>>2920298
Like New Jersey.

>>2919777
who was defending Spain?

>>2921263
t.Steven "please Tyron fuck my wife" Numale

The US actually stopped them looking like Africa by supporting Hobbesian leviathans and suppressing "revolutionary" warlords.

If only the US had the same doctrine in the Middle East.

>>2921107
>natives
Incas were superior to europeans. Deal with it.

>>2921357
>Incas were superior to europeans
It just took Pizarro and his dick to destroy the Inca empire.

>>2921107
>middling IQ southern european whites.
Italians have the highest IQ among Europeans you twit.

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>>2921415
>96
>Highest IQ among Europeans

>>2919186
why doesn't latin america accept islam instead of the white christian imperialist religion?
being a christian is being a white bootlicker

>>2921415

We both know that is wrong, Italy is fairly average, if not somewhat mediocre. Finland is the strongest IQ in Europe, if not the world.

>>2921520
Then IQ is a meme.
Italiens invented tons of shit.
They literally were at the forefront of the renaissance.
I'm not even italien.
IQ must be a meme if Italiens aren't above average but chinks are

>>2921520
europeans are sub 100 IQ subhumans?

>>2921533
Northern Italy might have a higher IQ than the rest of Italy, but southern Italians are functionally retarded from getting raided and raped for so long. The average Sicilian looks more like an arab.

>>2921530
they're also pretty inbred so it means inbreeding means higher IQ

>>2921533
The hidden meme within the meme is that IQ is divided into two parts; potential IQ and acquired IQ. A poor-ass black baby could have a potential IQ of 170, but because momma was a sheboon and daddy never came home from the liquor store they wind up testing at 95.

>>2921364
>pasta the post
Come back with an actual argument, buddie. Your (((superior))) europeans have been backstabbing eachnother since day 1.

>>2921547
then racism is wrong

>>2920460
Kek if that's all you know of indigenous peoples' cultures of Mexico don't blame me for your ignorance. Open up a book.

>>2921547
You can do some extreme things to lower someone's IQ (smash their head with a rock, lock them in a closet for years, etc) but you can't do anything to raise it. Twin studies with twins that were raised in completely different environment and still have basically the same IQ have proven this.

>>2920511
Illiteracy is still a problem color surprised. Also IQs are a meme.

>>2921527
Some are but honestly I think embracing their ancestral beliefs would be better if they are to form a strong nationalist identity.

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>>2921584
>The pygmies, the aboriginals of Australia, all of them, just teach em the white man's language, send em to Harvard, and they'll all write essays and books, and the cannibals will be producing the music. That's all you gotta do, just educate em.

>>2919186
Do you really think South America can rise? They may have natural resources, but shit loads of political violence.

>>2921594
true.
They are post development after all

>>2921601
just educate them

>>2919199
Is it too much to ask for you to read even a little tiny bit about the subject before saying stupid shit?

>>2921612
They're halfway between Balkans and Africa in terms of development, also natural resources can be a curse as well as a boon. The secret is not to have natural resources, it's to convert those natural resources into finished goods. Africa is overflowing with natural resources yet they starve because they sell raw crude for pennies on the processed petroleum dollar.

>>2919321
Uh, but the US heavily intervened in Latin American politics during the world war. They're the reason a bunch of military dictatorships (that ruined latin america) came to be. That did stop communism though, so there's that.

>>2921601
This. The way I see it:

Blacks are super creative but lack intelligence!

Asians are super intelligent but lack creativity!

Whites (discounting slavs and southern europeans who are too mixed to be considered white) are both super creative and intelligent!

>>2921678
cold war* shit

>>2921581
>twin studies
>difference in raising
Obviously if almost every kid is given stupid toys and doesn't get active formal stimulation, of course most will end up equal.

Most western countries treat certain traits on people and have almost the same people on every city.

If you put a kid on Congo and the other on Sweden you will really see the difference, if both kids get fed well.

The funny thing is that both showed almost the same interests too. That's not uncommom. Most people tend on every western country tend to follow the trends and mass engagement of certain activities(media, chinese cartoons, comics, being a dj, being a singer, etc).

Personally I support the idea of peaceful eugenesia, also an optimal way of prenatal and postnatal treat.

>>2921107
>I know nothing about Latin American history and I have no plans to open a book about it but who cares /pol/ gave me these easy explanations

as expected from a /pol/tard

some south american countries were among the top 20 economies at the beginning of the 20th century. by the time ww2 had ended. they had all fallen off into irrelevance and poverty.

Mexico is on the list of the top 20 economies...

>>2919355
Mexico is North America

>>2921765
Corruption and international intervention.

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>>2921520
>Based on past studies
>Adjusted for flynn effect
> and on student assessment
Into the trash it goes.

Have a real study.

>>2921800
You know what he meant and your comment does nothing to disprove what he said.

>>2919192
Your example made it seem viable that a Republic could exist here.

>>2919186
Chile did fine, and Argentina and Venezuela were per capita richer than most European countries in 1950.

>>2919355
>South America is already shining.
I'm sure you are not Brazilian

>>2923140
That is not a fair comparison, thing are cheaper in Argentina.

>>2923140
>Chile did fine

when?

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>>2919721
>>2919910
I think that what Anon was trying to say was that the statement:
>I think a too great share of its population were Indios.
Doesn't make sense, as the native population (in certain places at least) was quite capable in constructing infrastructure and a functioning society, so much so that they even out did the Spanish in certain fields, and of that Anon posted a great example.

>>2921364
Precisely, their people got destroyed thanks to the introduction of the Spanish's subhuman genes.

>>2921564
>then racism is wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8

>>2920247
Mai waifu

>it's the United States' fault!
Said very few people in academia, none of whom were ever taken seriously

>>2923306
the USA's academia?

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The nation of the thousand ethnicities will solve its problems. Neither the USA, nor other countries will reduce us again.
My heroes have not turned into statues, but they will become.

>>2923312
Global. There's really no evidence for it considering that the U.S. actually intervened very little in Latin American affairs before Cleveland. The only country you can really blame on the United States is Mexico and even then most of their poor showing in the 20th century was their own doing.

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>>2923323
>>2923332

>>2923332
>>2923336
>before Cleveland
I'm glad we cleared that up.

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>>2923230
Xingus are comfy

>>2923338
Monroe doctrine was put into practice when Cleveland was 10 years old.

>>2923332
>>2923336
Latin America would be even worse without the US chasing off communists and Europoors.

Source: Africa

>>2923363
It's the opposite, USA was the reason those countries tried to turn into communist/social democracies.Look at Cuba for example.

>>2923358
And yet you can count the number of interventions before Cleveland on one hand (and really two fingers). Hell, the U.S. never even enforced the Monroe Doctrine until 1865.

>>2923363
USA didn't chase of communist, and when they tried to chase commies they failed, see cuba.

What they did was chase off anyone they dislike. Even some rigth wing presidents.

>>2919261
I want a native gf

>>2923445
Don't we all brother. I am pissed I was not born a couple centuries prior in Paraguay.

>>2919754
What the image is about?

>>2923461
Europeans wars of religion I am guessing.

Without the Monroe Doctrine Latin America would have been colonized again in the XIXth century and would be even poorer as a result.

Just look what happened in the early 1860s, when the U.S. was unable to enforce the doctrine. France invaded Mexico and interfered in Patagonia, Spain invaded the Dominican Republic and got into war with Peru and Chile, Britain entered in a diplomatic crisis with Brazil.

Without the Monroe Doctrine to defend the independence of our countries in the XIXth century Latin America would be Africa tier nowadays.

>>2923141
I'm an American.
I'm just not in denial about the state of the world.

>nothing is ever our fault, we are only poor because of Uncle Sam intervention

This is why Latin America is shit and will always be shit.

That and race-mixing, of course. It's not a coincidence that the less shitty parts of the continent are also the whiter ones.

>>2923494
>Latin America would be Africa tier nowadays
In many ways, it's worse.

>>2923500
Some countries in Latin America are doing good, Chile, Peru and Mexico, for example, other are very, very bad, Venezuela is more known, but Brazil is also collapsing as we speak (I know, I'm Brazilian), and Argentina and Ecuador don't look good either.

The fun part is that the countries that are doing well are U.S. allies, while the countries that are collapse did a lot of Anti-American posturing in the past decades. The exception is Bolivia, where Morales was smart enough to not let the socialist posturing get in the way of neoliberal economic policies.

>>2920534
>I don't know what socialism is: the post

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>>2919425
Kuruminha. Swing by /int/ some time.

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>>2923509
>Chile peru and mexico doing good

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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>>2919186
Doesn't basil have some fucked up law where the first families still technically own all the property and you arnt actually buying the property just the right to rent it from them? Or is that one of the other dysfunctional states?

>>2923556
Better than Brazil and Venezuela, at least.

Colombia is also improving for now, though the deal with the FARC will ruin the country in the long term.

>>2923565
>you arnt actually buying the property just the right to rent it from them?

wow, just like your windows license

>>2923573
no, they are all equally fucked up, but the media is focusing in Brasil and Venezuela.

Colombia has like 4 strikes right now.

>>2923503
>hurrr muh racemixing
Chile is far from white you /pol/tard, and Argentina is fucking shit considering they supposedly should be first world since they are white.

>>2923565
It's in a specific city, there's a tax paid for whoever rents/sells properties in that city that goes to a branch of the royal family.

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>>2923581
Having strikes is one thing, the entire economy collapse and the state being insolvent another.

You seem to be a leftist unable to admit that your ideology failed in the region.

>>2923332
Most of those would have led to either Pol Pot-tier massacres or Venezuela-tier failed states had they been allowed to continue.

>>2923715
>Most of them did have pol-tier massacres, and are failed states.
FFY1

> USA woldn't have had inexpensive resources and open markets had they been allowed to continue.
FFY2

>>2923494
>>2923494
This diplomatic crisis of Brazil with Britain wasn't really that bad, in the end, Brazil accepted England's apology. Brazil's problem with England was the unfair trade agreements.

Well, the United States is only operating under its own interest, not of the Latin American countries. So far, they've accomplished it as American interests are secured.

>>2923818
at least someone honest that is not repeating the lie "we are good, we bring freedom to the world"

>>2923826
The United States IS a force of good in the world though.

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>>2923833
more like a frce of sucking oil.

>>2923740
>Most of them did have pol-tier massacres,
Where? Pinochet is the only one known for widespread massacres, and that is because Allende left around 20 000 armed "revolutionaries" that needed to be hunted down.

>and are failed states.
Failed state has a very specific meaning: a state that can't guarantee human rights, protection and basic services for most of its population. That only applies to Venezuela and maybe El Salvador, Guatemala and recently Mexico.

> USA woldn't have had inexpensive resources and open markets had they been allowed to continue.
Only if the USA had a completely isolationist policy. The Middle East controls the prices of Oil, not any Latin American country. The USA has always had plenty of reserves for most valuable metals.
Moreover, since most Latin American countries are incapable of producing First Rate technology on par with that of Europe's, USA's or Japan's, they would have had to eventually open their markets anyway. Protectionism is worth shit in countries with such terrible infrastructure and such small, poor and uneducated populations. It inevitably leads to Maduro/Allende-tier failures.

>>2923836

your post belongs on pol or int, manboy

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>>2920541
I got from somewhere in Francis Fukuyama: Falling Behind: Explaining the Development Gap Between Latin America and USA. Unfortunately I don't have the book with me right now to search for the material.

>>2923884
>where
almost everywhere.
even colombia that never had dictatorship : "banana masacre", or "Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo" in argentina. google it.

> The Middle East controls the prices of Oil, not any Latin American country.

OPEC was founded by Venezuela.

>since most Latin American countries are incapable of producing First Rate technology on par with that of Europe's, USA's or Japan's,

It has nothing to do with it. Is about selling the resources, not letting american coorporations take them for free. Ayende's sin was nationatilazing copper. Thats why they were so Butthurt about Evo Morales charging a fair price for their oil. It was never about communism, it was about cheap resources.

>>2923899
Grow up.

>>2923884
>Where?
El Salvador and Guatemala come to mind.

>>2919417
cant you say this about most colony's?

Latin American countries have always been shit because their rulers have always seen their people as cashgrabs. Even now, just look at El Salvador, the current government that was the hope for all the people does the same shit the previous party was doing, intentionally looking the other way instead of fighting crime and applying harsh measures, hiring expensive contractors to take a part of the money for themselves, leaving institutions without resources and saying everything's fine.

All the politicians are sunk in the same shit, no one else has a word for anything, killing is still illegal and prosecuted when it's a middle class person who's doing it for righteous purposes, any kind of movement intending to overthrow the government will still be hunted down. There's no hope unless another country invades this shithole and cleans up the shit.

>>2923943
A few hundred of protestors getting shot is pretty run of the mill for resource-extraction-based economies, where workers are about (as trained and thus) as disposable as donkeys.

>>2923953
Maybe qualifies. But hardly widespread.

>OPEC was founded by Venezuela.
But that doesn't give Venezuela any more real power over oil prices than Saudi Arabia. Venezuela's oil is one of the most expensive oils to extract because of it is all located incredibly deep underground, and it is one of the cheapest to sell because of its impurities. Gulf States, on the other hand, have the cheapest oil extraction costs and the highest quality oil in the market. That is why Venezuela goes bankrupt whenever oil barrels hit prices below 50 dollars, while Saudi Arabia gets around just fine by cutting down a couple subsidies in the exact same scenario.

Moreover, oil makes 95% of Venezuela's exports. What are Venezuelans going to do if they decide they don't want to sell their oil other than starving and dying?

>It has nothing to do with it. Is about selling the resources, not letting american coorporations take them for free. Ayende's sin was nationatilazing copper. Thats why they were so Butthurt about Evo Morales charging a fair price for their oil. It was never about communism, it was about cheap resources.
Chile has never had a monopoly over copper prices, no country does. Chile decides to sell its copper for more? Too bad More buyers for everyone else. And since copper is Chile's main export and the only thing it can do with its raw copper is stick it into its own ass because it has no relevant industry to make use of it either, then Chile will be forced to cut down on imports or inflate its currency.

Allende's mistake was implementing retarded economic policies that created scarcity and hyperinflation ala modern Venezuela, leading to widespread protests and violence, that turned into a Coup that would have simply been bit more bloody without US intervention.

>>2924081
>is ok to kill hundred of human beings.

It was almost 2000 workers.

well , Im not gonna waste more time with this edgy teen.

>>2924094
Didn't say it is ok, anon. But it is the "pick fruit for a living" economy that is to blame. The same workers would have been killed by any feudal lord or communist ruler. Because to the people with the guns they are less valuable than their weight in cattle.

The only reason it doesn't happen right now where you live is because all the workers of that kind have been substituted by machines or less workers with more efficient equipment.

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>>2919199
>Venezuela
>Backed by the USSR

>>2919283
>implying it is different in the US

>>2919199
Cuba is better than most of Latin America m8

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>>2923597
Nprs article made it sound like enfiteuse applied to almost half of the property in Brazil.
>>2923575
Software is not real property. Land literally IS.

>>2920997
Exactly.
t. Brazilian living in a hot as fuck region

>>2919199
actually Venezuela used to be a trusted american ally, that´s how their air force had F-16s to counter Cuba over the caribbean

>>2920997
This
Fun fact, one of Florida's two monuments in the National Statuary Hall is John Gorrie, the man credited with inventing the concepts for mechanical refrigeration and air conditioning. That's the level of importance we put on AC because life as we know it would not exist down here without it. It's a double-edged sword if you are someone like me who tends to romanticize the Cracker Cowman era

>>2920997
That´s why siesta was invented, it´s impossible to work in tropical weather without a nap after lunch
But in general latin american capitals were built on places with nice temperate weather, the spaniards definitely had an eye for it.

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>>2919186
>you will never pick rat meat out of a native qt's teeth with your tongue
>you will never have your soul cleansed by a 60 year old shaman rubbing a guinea pig on the tip of your cock
>you will never inject yourself with frog poison and run puking through the jungle
>you will never eat salsa Verde out of the village elder's clit
why even live

>>2919261
More of this?

>>2919186
Have you heard of the Granadines (technically ruled from parts of Nicaragua down to Argentina) and Mexico (Area west of Kentucky down to mexico city). Area south of Mexico city down to Costa Rica was considered Indian country. The reason they fell and its sad to say, is because of several civil wars where sides raped eachothers women. These areas were said to be 60-80% European. However due to racial strife the oppresed would rape. Many of the kids grew up without parents, homeless...as it is said a good part of them left either US or to start Chile/Argentina. An italian NY historian I spoke to told me. When Italians came to NYand lived in the lower east side and irish lived in hells kitchen...you wont imagine who lived in the upper west side, think organized crime. No not jews. They later went on to found towns like Paramus(Paramo)...Bogota...One side's history is hushed because they were important allies of US and Composed the most prosperous merchant/import group.

Unity will never sell in latin america because America grew out of a common wealth ever since Tennesse was given to them in a friendly deal to piss of Spain. They prefer many lands with many laws. That way they can find refuge in a neighboring country if something goes wrong within them.

>>2928368
United States=common wealth and common law
Latin America (historical sense)=separate laws and classism built on seperatism and racism. You lived in a region according to your ancestry and stayed put. I heard a basque historican talking about latin america of a historical territory called the basque lands. He divided Latin America into two parts. The most famous part is Bolivian which meant indigenous. Bolivar was so racist Bolivia wasnt supposed to be a country but a citizenship of native americans called Bolivians. Instead of Aztecs which mean softies, Mayans which means Marians and Incans which means Incapables thats why the capital of bolivia is La Paz. Incapaz...not capable.

>>2928403
Stop memeing lad

>>2928403
The sequelae of this racist history brought us two revolutionary insurgencies Guatemalan and Bolivian.

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>>2919264
>he/she

>>2919417
This is probably wrong, but I'm going to regurgitate this post, because it'll likely invoke a plethora of butthurt.

>>2919186
what is that food?

>>2920511
>You can't function in a modern western civilization to any reasonable extent with such a pathetically low IQ.
Citation?

>>2920511
Ever heard of Turkey or Russia?

>>2928403
Yes, Bolivia indeed had a soft apartheid thing well until the 1980s but Bolivia is not the whole latin america, in fact is a very peculiar country

>>2920298
im gonna need some source on that
for research.....on other cultures......

>>2923230
>All indios are Aztecs
There were a fair share of the Mesoamerican population living in tribal communities at the time of colonization and still do today

>>2920212
It really is you relativist fuck

>>2920185
So they were developed in some areas. It all amounted to nothing when they were conquered by small expeditionary forces, thus cementing their place as the inferior.
Not to mention it wasn't like Spain was putting 100% effort into conquering Mexico. This was literally just a sideshow to larger European affairs at the time.

>>2921357
*Gets destroyed by a small expeditionary force and some germs*

>>2921520
>Dumbtugal

>>2921564
Racism isn't wrong. Europe was so far ahead of the rest of the world in 1900 it wasn't even funny. We should have just killed off the niggers and made Africa white. Letting them "develop" and multiply has just stifled human progress. We could have had Mars colonies by now

>>2923585
Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world 70 years ago you liberal faggot. And Chile culled their leftists to prevent socialism from occuring.

>>2931093
>We could have had Mars colonies by now
no

>>2920298
Just go to Manaus or something senpai

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>>2919754
hhmmmm

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>>2931093
It is time to go back to /pol(, kid. People in /his/ are supposed to understand what words like "liberal" mean and what it would have meant to "make Africa white" in terms of resources and demographics instead of just making fools of themselves.

>>2923539
More like this?

>>2926372
It's not really impossible, just that we've got used to it. If we never started doing that shit, everything would probably be fine.

I can't blame them siesta-ers though, its comfy as fuck to sleep after a big old traditional lunch.

>>2931055
Aztecs, mayas, and incas never existed this is how the spanish united the natives under their trail of tears. Aztecs could have came from eastern US. Youll never knew. When you get into Jesuit learning youll realize what the Spanish did.

>>2931103
Argentina was a territory of the region today called Bolivia. Its no older than South Africa.

>>2931078
>some germs
Muh black death
Muh pig fever

>small expedition
Nope. Have you ever read a book?

Deal with it.

>>2931055
Mesoamerica was one of the most urban regions in the world, very few were tribal there.

>>2931058
prove to me scientifically that your views are better than mine.

>>2931315
It was the center for mining for the spanish and its natives were forced to mine. Years later colonists from the north moved there. Looking for gold and/or pirate British ships. It gre prosperable and many italians came over.

>>2923539
more of this chick?

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>>2919261
>tfw you'll never be an aztec warrior
>tfw you'll never catch smallpox after the Spaniards arrive
>tfw you'll never see your wife start talking to a conquistador
>tfw you'll never hobble back home weak from the illness to hear moans coming from your hut
>tfw you'll never see your wife get pounded by BIC, big iberian cock
>you'll never see her filled so hard she's got more cum inside her than blood
>tfw you'll neve be so sick and weak all you can do is sit back and watch her get filled with superior European seed
>tfw you'll never see your entire race mongrelized

>>2919186
Argentina and Venezuela had GDP per capitas higher than most of Western Europe from 1900 to 1950, and the USA had absolutely nothing to do with their self-imposed declines.

>>2931639
Cuckposters are the worst

>>2919199
>Venezuela
>backed by USSR
Kek

Also reminder Cuba still has one of the highest HDI and life-expectancy in latin america even after decades of embargo.

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>>2925816
Cuba's GDP per capita was twice that of the Dominican Republic's in 1950; now they're on par. This is despite the fact that Cuba got MASSIVE aid from the USSR to the point where it shouldn't even be considered an independent economy. 15-25% of their entire GDP was Soviet stipends.

>>2931658
>even after decades of embargo.

By the USA, not the entire world. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/16/world/soviet-said-to-reduce-support-for-cuban-economy.html

Soviet stipends to Cuba averaged $4-5 billion during the 1980s, and were probably larger before that when the USSR had more money to throw around. Cuba GDP in the 80s in 2005 dollars was between $25-$40 billion. In 1988 dollars that deflates to $14-24 billion. In other words, about 25% and possibly as much as 35% of Cuba's entire GDP was Soviet donations and nothing else. This was the massive aid they got.

http://stat.kushnir.mk.ua/en/gdp/cu.html

Now how does that compare to what the USA did to hurt them? For that we can compare the basket-case of South Africa, which was embargoed by half the world including both the USSR and USA. The cost of trade sanctions against South Africa overall were estimated by at an annual 1.3% of their GDP. Even if, against all logic, being embargoed by the USA alone hurt Cuba over twice as much as being embargoed by the USA plus a bunch of other countries hurt South Africa, all it would have actually done (being extremely generous) is reduced the net value of USSR aid by about a tenth.

http://www.snf.ch/sitecollectiondocuments/nfp/nfp42p/nfp42p_staehelin-e.pdf

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>>2919199
>USSR backed states like Venezuela
>USSR backed states like Venezuela
>USSR backed states like Venezuela
>USSR backed states like Venezuela
>USSR backed states like Venezuela
THANKS YOU, INTERNET.

>>2931770
Take your pedophile cartoons back to >>>/a/

>>2919186
You are forget about the Andes, OP.

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>>2931782
>>>/r/eddit

>>2931770
Russia backs the Maduro regime to protect Rosneft assets in PDVSA, though. That is well known. And Putin is all about bringing back the influence and respect of the USSR days to the beaten Russian people. So, it is not fully wrong.

>>2931793
Funny thing they say in some circles that Simon Bolivar is not who you think. They say he was over 6' and a would be prince. The guy in photos is a proxy. The Andes are called the Andes for SantANDEr, Spain. The Royal families of Northern Spain lived in the Andes. And there was nothing holy about it. He was so racist he fought the spanish because he thought if theyd have liberty the northern spanish would move and trade with South America not the people south of Burgos. Whereas the Caribbean recieved the Spanish loyals whom were from Southern Spain.

>>2920387
Blow it out your ass, chairo.

>>2931676
Cuba's GDP was solely based on foreigners. After the Spanish loyalty left. It became a hot spot for 'transit citizens.' Spain left nothing but poor black people. Which meant the economy was ripe for the purchasing.

>>2932046
The working black people were a trained force. They had recieved years of specialized training as musicians, farmers, actors, writers, mechanics. The new farm employees had been the haitians that were bought over.

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>>2931804
you win this round anime posters but you have not won the war

/his/ has low traffic and no moderator will be around to hear your screams

>>2919199
Im sure the embargo and multiple assasination/destabilization attempts dont count as meddling, right?

>>2919662
It's funny that you say that considering most of the U.S and Canada's wealth came from black labour/slavery... Just because there wasn't a signifcant race mix doesn't mean you are full of nigros

fight imperialism

>>2932188
no don't

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>>2920509
>Get invaded by the UN
>>Get invaded by the UN
>>>Get invaded by the UN
>>>>Get invaded by the UN

>>2932144
The embargo on Cuba is solely on American companies. Cubans can trade with Europe and the rest of Latin America if they want. But they won't because Socialism has killed their industry and farms. I don't see how assassination attempts affect the economy.

Venezuela has no embargos and has had no assassination attempts.

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>>2926378
why do some of these actually sound kind of cool?
>ywn have your soul cleansed by a 60 year old shaman rubbing a guinea pig on the tip of your cock
pic absolutely related

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>>2932230

>>2919235
The British, most probably.

>>2920484
If by infrastructure you mean churches, yes

>>2919417
>The Spanish and Portuguese set them up to be resource extraction operations. They existed purely for the benefit of their master countries.
central Mexico completely disproves this

>>2920247
he would be considered one of Mexico's national heroes today if he kept his word and didnt run for re-electon in 1910

>>2932683
How?

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>>2921533
>italiens

>>2931804
>mods
That's just a weeb mod who "works" at night.

Take your pedophile cartoons back to >>>/a/

>>2932671
Cities,palaces,shipyards,misions,universities (real ones unlike Hardvard that was a glorified seminar) or roads

>>2932046
>Spain left nothing but poor black people
Cuba had railroads when the Spaniards left

>>2931960
What a load of bullshit

>>2928368
Do you have some links on this? Google isn't turning up anything...

>>2919199
Surely has nothing to do with the US embargo crippling their economies.

>>2932671
Kek

>>2933264
> universities (real ones unlike Hardvard that was a glorified seminar)

Like which ones?

Well jesuists did some constructive shit, but they were not exclusively spaniards. The little infraestructure they did was to take the silver out. (just to be robbed by british pirates in the caribean.)

>>2919186
>That didn't stop Spain and Portugal from establishing global empires.
They only got the upper hand because of gunpowder. Unlike in the North the imperial colonizers of the South managed to be less cultured than the people they conquered.

>>2920298
What is the name of that tribe?

>>2934942
Thats Just a personal opinion. What is the harvard of north mexico?. Spaniards didn't build shit, they are too lazy

>>2934943
>carefully selected pasta from poor entry of wikipedia.

Just Sir Francis Drake did more harm than those cherrpicked cases.

>>2935855
Yalawapiti