>be Ottoman Empire >opress and kill countless people from

>>2913718
>opress and kill countless people from countrys you conquered
This is the definition of an Empire so its ok
>commit genocides for no reason
Meme
> why did the world allow them to reign for so long? It`s not like the Roman Empire where nothing was as organised as them. Their neighbours where all empires too.
Ottomans were pretty stronger than their neighbors up until 17.century.And after that they regularly lost their power and lands.But since the empire was pretty big,it takes time.

>Aside from the last point being a word of fiction,

Then why did you include it you sperg?

The Byzantines were in decline by then, already buttfucked by Slavs, Avars, Arabs and Latins before the Ottomans came. The Westerners were probably laughing their asses off as the "divine emperors" who were acting so superior for the last 700 or so years had to suck multiple Pope dicks and renounce Eastern Orthodoxy and iconoclasm just to save their asses. Venetians and Genoese were already counting the shekels to be won.

And then Constantinople fell and people collectively shat their pants. It's not like nobody tried to stop them but there was almost never a big united front against them.

>>2913775
The papacy is pretty lucky that western europe had the greek buffer to stop the full brunt of islamic expansion from reaching them until it was quickly becoming too late

>>2913792
>what is Islamic expansion in Italy and Spain

>>2913897
Not the full brunt

>>2913718
>suleiman died in 1566
>map says 1580

wtf

>>2913743
>Meme
kys buddy.

>>2913718
Because the world doesn't run according to EU4 logic or muh fees fees.

>>2913718
Because everyone else did the same shit and the Ottomans were just another great power rather than a supreme evil. Nations would ally with or against them when it became convenient.

>>2913953
When did anybody in Europe ever become an empire like the Ottomans? Or do we count Colonial Empires ?

they were no different from European powers, if anything they had a little more religious tolerance

>>2914426
lol saving? most empires like the ottomans just butcher people.

>>2914414
There are countless sacks that empires go through when their soldiers get antsy. Armies feeding themselves via war is in no way abnormal

>>2913718
>opress and kill countless people from countrys you conquered

Literally every empire

>commit genocides for no reason

Gotta make sure they don't lose any more lands to war/rebellion :^)

>why did the world allow them to reign for so long? It`s not like the Roman Empire where nothing was as organised as them. Their neighbours where all empires too.

They had a very strong military.

They decimated the mamlukes and beat back any threat the Safavids would pose. All that was left was to go back and forth with the Habsburgs.