>mfw the age of unique military combat uniforms are dead.

>he would rather wear a bright coloured coat to a battlefield than clothing that reduces your effective target profile

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>>2911885
Nonsense!

You could easily identify Americans by their dogged insistence that their camo actually blends into any environment.

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It's OK anon, there are other unique aspects

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>>2911901
And the Chinese marines by their nice blue fatigues.

>>2911901

That camo was designed for the mountains of Afghanistan, and it actually works very well in that specific location. However, it looks utterly retarded anywhere else. Unfortunately, nobody told the Department of Defense that they buy an the army uniform for a specific location without forcing everything else to change as well.

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At least the Scots have it together

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>>2911885
some people still have some swag left.

>>2911901
Why are Muricans comedy gold in every single thing they try to do?

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>>2911885
Well, OP, if you like being an RTS Unique Unit so much, why not join a terrorist/non-state militant outfit?

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>>2911956

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>>2911956
BASED

>>2911956
How do you say TSUUUUUU in arabic?

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>>2911919
Eh it's still a step down from what it used to be

>>2911997
>god dammnit it McMullignafter you didn't tell me it was pants day
>Now I look like a right tart

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>>2911901
>>2911912

The uniform retardation is one of the reasons I wound up NOT joining the military after high school. It's a symptom of institutional criminal incompetence/corruption that is beyond appalling and I do not intend to die for it.

The US Military has been in a state of inexorable decline since 2000 and no one, not even President Trump or "Mad Dog" Mattis can fix it at this point.

Expect the next American war to be a devastating defeat, maybe even the one that finally does us in.

>>2912252
There is no way that mannati is an infantryman. I've seen the minimum requirements for entering the USMC, which is like the only arm sending troops anywhere anymore.

>>2911901
>>2911948
>>2912252

>People actually believe this

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>>2911885
Yeah, it's sad. Everybody just wears PASGTs and multicam these days.

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>>2911901
Except America have been adopting Multicam instead for years now.

>>2912369
He's from the Army, and he's very likely a tanker, or some kind of rear echelon. These guys eat very high calorie meals (as all military personnel are given), but since their jobs revolve around driving, or being static, they don't work off the calories the same way, and therefore get fat.

>>2911959
Is this anime made real?

>>2911997
>>2911919
Why did they stop wearing kilts in battle?

>>2911956
Those have to be U.S. coalition forces. If not I need to know why they wear the pt belts. Was being seen part of their plan?

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You'd rather go back to soldiers wearing hats taller than they are ?

>>2913322
I remember one of the issues in World War 1 was that the mud would cake and go hard around the bottom of the kilt. This hardened mud would then dig into the backs of the knees and slice them up.

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>>2913705
Admit it, it looks silly

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Nah, the damage to ship design is even worse. No more of those beautiful, intimating designs with dragons to the fore, sails with insignia, symmetry. It's all white floating lego bricks.

>>2911921
Based italians keeping it real.

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>>2913705

Shakos grew on me a little.

>>2911956
>Halal Madrid
Should've known.

I think it was only very recently when they moved from steel helmets to Kevlar did things go wrong.
Things like the American M1 pot helmet, German Stahlhelm, and others were very unique.

>>2911919
>manskirt
would having a purse be acceptable if ancient scottish clans wore them as well?

>>2913913
But they did and honestly your idea a purse is feminine is a social construct

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>>2913191
The Libyan Civil War was a magical time.

Until ISISniggery showed up at least.

>>2911901
That's the old uniform. This isn't 2012.

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>>2913913
>would having a purse be acceptable if ancient scottish clans wore them as well?
That's what the furry things on the front are, so yes.

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Function over form, nerds.
I too miss the old aesthetics, but if I actually had to choose something based on how it would serve me in combat, no shit I would choose something up to date.

>>2912369
>>2913128
>>2913155
Bullshit.
90% probability these guys got pulled from the IRR during the surges.

These were dudes that let their bodies go to shit because they thought their time in the Army was over.
Unfortunately the Army has the right to force you back into service for a few years after you ETS/Retire if they really need you.

They can't be active duty or even normal natty guard or reserve, because failing PT and HW standards will get you booted ridiculously fast.

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isis has some dank af uniforms

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>>2911894
As an infantry officer I totally would. I would love to die wearing a fabulous uniform leading my men while waving around an infantry sabre like a jackass.

>>2911908
>Be Chinese marine
>Fall off ship
>Nobody can see you in the water
>Drown
Its okay the US navy also like blue camo.

>>2911908
Paper tiger, looks pretty like Origami.
But paper will always drown in water.

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>tfw

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>>2915264

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>>2915266

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>>2915267

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>>2915273

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>>2915276

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>>2915279

>>2911908
I like blue as camo

>>2915295

I hope you plan on exclusively fighting at night or in the ocean then.

>>2913710
How the fuck does he see anything?

>>2911885
Camo is a scam. The best color is dark grey, like shadows.

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>>2915463
"no"

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>>2914834
Godspeed, you magnificent bastard

Yet I can still identify the military of most countries without needing to see any kind of insignia or flag.

>>2911885


Nobody needs to look unique anymore, just blend into the background. Times change and so does doctrine.

>>2912252

lol wut? First of all the camo works great in deserts like Iraq or Afghanistan, where the US has had two major conflicts since 2001.

I don't really get the "inexorable decline" comment either, the military has always been a shitshow but it's also the most effective shitshow out there. Which in the most basic terms, means it is dominant. More to the point, the Army specifically can be fucked up all it wants so long as it is backed up by USN and USAF logistical and air support. The DoD is very, very, very good at this (moreso than any other nation on earth) which is why the US military is so effective despite it being an adult kindergarden.

(also I will point out that most of the failures in the mideast were due to civilian institutions like the Iraqi provisional government not military ones as was the case in Vietnam)

>>2911956
ALLAH MADRID

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>>2915578
It helps that as much as the US armed forces are a shitshow, everyone else is ten times as bad as we are.

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>>2913730
Focusing solely on pragmatism was the death of military aesthetics
Only planes come close to being aesthetic now.

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>>2915621
>Only planes come close to being aesthetic now
*blocks your path*

>>2915626
B-But at least cold war planes were the pinnacle of modern military aesthetics

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>>2915629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE55Sxk7_X4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNLpbrTk2cs&t=98s

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>>2911885
But this has always been the case.

Military gear was always based not only on functionality, but also on the dominant culture of the time.

After colonization by the Industrialized West, everyone of course follows their way of war. But before, you had Europeans wearing the same kinds of armor, Middle East and Central Asians riding on Iranic/Steppenig shit, Indo-Persian armor in Persia and India, and Chinese getups in Mainland East Asia.

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>>2915669
contd. If anything, I have no qualms over combat gear. It's practical.

Dress Uniforms however, fuck that shit. Especially outside the western world. Everyone looks like a western officer with the meme slacks, meme tunic, meme pussy hat, meme beret, meme combination caps.

>>2915677
Why do the chinks LARP as US Navy officers anyways?

>>2915680
I dont think the USN wears white.

Or has riding pants.

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>>2915686
They do wear white, but the rest isn't that similiar.

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>>2915677
Leave it to the steppe man to make the difference

>>2915692
Oh ok.

Those shoes are really putting me off.

>>2914834
Repealing DADT was a big day for you wasn't it?

>>2915626
I don't see the problem. That's an amazing looking robot.

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It's always down to special forces to keep aesthethics alive.

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>>2914025

>>2912252
USMC desert and woodland uniforms (US Navy personnel attached to Marines get them too) are actually pretty good, enough that other countries use it as a standard. I heard from combat veterans that they would mix the two uniforms together to break up their profile at the distance Afghanistan. The problem is that the Corps is incredibly petty about who gets to use it and went ahead and stamped USMC all over so the Army can't use it. Instead of being a bunch of children about it, we should've shared the cammies with the Army. That being said, I think the Marines could hold up their end of the deal in the next real war we haev to fight

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That said, we still had some pretty good looking uniforms not even 50 years ago.

>>2911901

>he thinks camouflage is supposed to blend in with the background and make you invisible like predator

>>2915770
>stand out like an AntiPredator
>"Multicam totally works guys xDDD"

>>2915680
Developing navies modeled themselves after the best navy of the era
Britain -> US

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I can't find any pics of a modern soldier wearing a trenchcoat, but I know they're still in use somewhat, or at least they were 30 years ago. And they are aesthethic as fuck.

>>2915791
USA uses them in their cold weather dress uniforms.

>>2915773
Multicam does work.
That's why almost every SOF group in the world uses it.

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>>2915829

>implying they're not buying it just to enrich beast known as the Military-Industrial Complex

>>2915892
I guess that's why various Russian special forces personnel buy multicam and other western gear with their own payroll, yes?

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>>2911956

>>2913322
My guess would be shrapnel

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>>2915284
holy fuck this picture is so aesthetic
>ywn be a soldier during the napoleonic wars pre-1812, sleeping under the stars and sharing songs and stories at night with your comrades around the fire as you prepare for your next inevitable victory under the emperor
>ywn be garrisoned in some small town along the rhine with a small peasant family and their beautiful daughter
>ywn capture a standard in battle and present it to the emperor himself
>ywn feel the pride and joy of receiving the legion of honor from the emperor as he looks in your eye and shakes your hand

>>2913664
Don't know about Afghanistan, but in Iraq we would give "friendly" militias the pt belts to identify them as friendly. Haven't heard how well it worked out.

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Chinese actor dressed as a general in the Beiyang Army (one of the armies of the Qing that were modernized, and later went on to be a major power broker post-revolution).

>>2917260
They should be working out great. That's what the PT belts are for.

>>2915773
I think you're confusing Universal Camouflage Pattern with MultiCam

>>2912369
>which is like the only arm sending troops anywhere anymore
Are you retarded.
Restrepo was the most contested of any outpost in Afghanistan and it was full of 101st boys.

>>2917399
Shit, I meant 173rd

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>>2914273
>Function over form, nerds.

Nah, I'll stick with the old aesthetics. The shit we made during the late-Cold War was intended for an actual war and was built to last and be economically feasible to produce on a mass scale if necessary.

Just about everything post-2000 except maybe for drones is either too expensive to produce on a large scale or is overpriced garbage made to enrich contractors above all else.

t. google how bad IOTVs are compared to their predecessor, the IBA, and they're several times more expensive.

>>2917393

Both are shit and were completely unnecessary.

We should've just stuck with the BDU. Issuing multiple camouflage uniforms for different services is literally something no other remotely competent military on this planet does and with good reason. It fucks the logistics system and can create confusion on the battlefield.

t. start of the Civil War. Friendly fire incidents were rampant because the state militias were all using different equipment, including blue uniforms in the Confederate Army and grey ones in the Union Army.

>>2917595
>Just about everything post-2000 except maybe for drones is either too expensive to produce on a large scale or is overpriced garbage made to enrich contractors above all else
Wrong, there's also the F-35
Also I did a quick google and found nothing on your claim that IOTV's are "worse" than IBA's.
In fact, I heard the opposite, that IOTV's were lighter than IBA's, while offering more coverage. Would you provide a source for your claim

>Both are shit and were completely unnecessary.
Yes, nothing like M81 Woodland in a desert to really break up your shape.

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>>2917709

That's what the DCU was for you dumbass

>>2914821
>Foot Clan division of Pussy Riot

>>2914310
>because failing PT and HW standards will get you booted ridiculously fast.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......(inhales)......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

>>2919876
Its not 2003 anymore buddy.

>>2915626
>fucking crew just standing around while some piece of shit robot comes burning into a landing

The commanders need to be fired for putting the crew at risk like that.

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>>2919947
By the time it reaches the crew, its already been captured by the wire.
They need to be standing there to get it out of the way so other incoming aircraft can land, fucking armchair navy officer.

>>2917595
>IBA

Piece of shit.

The Ranger regiment had an excellent body armor long before 9/11 broke out, and they refined it over the years and eliminated material in favor of mobility. The conventional force just fucking sucks, which is why they opted for that piece of shit IBA for all the legs, and why they shitcanned the BDU and Desert cammies in favor of that garbage called the ACU.

They should have just kept the BDU and the Dessert cammies, and told the services to pound sand up their asses if they whined about having distinctive uniforms. Total waste of money.

>>2919963
>implying it reaches the wire
>implying it won't just plow through the line of dumb fucking sailors standing around like jackasses and killing them wholesale

Sure, pal.

Sure.

>>2919893
No, you're right. Now open faggotry and degenerate trannies are celebrated, and bitches can serve as anchors and fuck up actual combat units the way they could once only anchor and fuck up the support faggots.

My bad.

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tfw these are the most aesthetically pleasing military outfits of all time

Post 1400 fags get the fuck out!

>>2920005
Aesthetics power rankings
15th>16th>19th>18th>14th>13th>17th>12th>11th

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>>2919984
>They should have just kept the BDU and the Dessert cammies, and told the services to pound sand up their asses if they whined about having distinctive uniforms. Total waste of money.

This

It's even bigger disgrace that President Trump allows them to continue wasting billions on this retard fashion contest and doesn't just use his executive privileges to force them back to the BDU/DCU. Of course he won't do that though. That'd actually make sense when it came to cutting unnecessary shit from the budget.

>>2919993
Take it how you like, but there's been almost zero fatal accidents on USN carrier decks for years, and that's with pilots who are prone to human error.

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>>2920026
20th>all

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>>2920039

*late 20th

The US Military basically hit its apex in 1991 with the Gulf War and has steadily declined since then.

t. father was in the US Army during the Gulf War and rejoined following 9/11 with the intent of serving for the duration of the War on Terror. He left by 2005 because of his immense disappointment at how the Bush administration was running the military into the ground.

>>2920034
>almost

Inexcusable to risk people like that, and you can bet your ass that as soon as an errant bird comes in and wipes out a line of crew, some dumb fucking officer will finally pull his head out of his ass and make sure there isn't a bunch of dumb fucking sailors standing around at the approach end of an active floating runway.

I just can't believe there isn't a fucking NCO with enough common sense to realize what a bad idea that is to have people standing around like that.

>>2920226
What do you want them to do, go inside every time a plane comes in to land?
Fuck off, you don't know anything about naval aviation.

>>2920052
>The US Military basically hit its apex in 1991

That's fair.

There was a big investment in SOF in the 90's, but it was at the expense of the conventional force, which got decimated under Clinton.

When the GWOT kicked off in 01', everything started going down hill as congress allowed the senior leader scum to lower the standards to meet recruiting goals because they were too fucking cheap to pay people what they deserved to volunteer in a time of war.

>>2917595
The old aestethics get you killed and ultimately make your country lose the war in an undignified manner, all because the enermy can spot you a gorillion miles away. Ask the French how useful colorful uniforms were in WW1

>>2915692
I'd hate to be one of those guys after labour day.

>>2914834
You fruity lil bullet magnet.

>>2920243
>you don't know anything about naval aviation.

From that webm I know they're a bunch of fucking morons, are incompetent, and negligent in their duties.

They could easily build recessed areas in the deck off to the side that the sailors could walk down into so as to be below the deck level in case of an errant bird. They could also build some kind of bunker system attached to the super structure off to the side to provide them with some protection. The bottom line is that there shouldn't be anybody on the fucking deck that could be ran the fuck over by an errant multi-ton aircraft trying to land on a moving runway.


Even lowly sailors deserve better than to get killed doing something stupid because their fucking leaders are morons.

We're done, shitbag.

>>2915463
only "ninjas" used that color, and it's only for night.

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>>2920249

I think another problem that's developed since then is the assumption that a war can be entirely waged from the air. When people think of the Gulf War, they tend to think all about the smart bombs and stealth bombers and not the fact that planners like Schwarzkopf were willing and ultimately had to commit massive numbers of ground troops to force the Iraqis out (albeit after they were severely weakened by weeks of airstrikes).

We put this rather naive theory into practice in the Balkans, early Afghanistan, Iraq 2003, and later Libya and it has proven foolhardy at best. Huge numbers of Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, including most of their leadership were able to escape into Pakistan in 2001 in part because US commanders were unwilling to commit ground forces and instead attempted to rely exclusively on the rather unreliable native Afghans (for understandable reasons, after all, they were not the ones attacked on 9/11, we were) augmented by US air power. While the USAF has impressive, their effectiveness is hindered by poor weather, being forced to operate miles over the battle space, and a limited fuel supply. Problems a division of US paratroopers entrenched on the border would not have had.

>>2911903
I don't understand the shit this got. Japan knows the three big ones trying to get the portal are the Chinese, the Americans and the Russians. It sounds like a correct guess.

>>2915700
wtf i love mongolia now

>>2914834
>as an infantry officer
>I would love to die
What do you gain from lying on the internet

>>2920226
>>2920302

Look at this armchair general. He knows the proper way to build an aircraft carrier!

>>2920821

Its almost as if people post things that aren't entirely serious on a Mongolian goat herding market.

>>2920302
Cam you actually prove beyond your conjecture that there is an actual significant chance for that to even happen

>>2911885
I better be a living camoed cunt with a kevlar pot than be a dead one clad in the most epic leather armour

>>2914834
Anon I swear if I ever make a war film there will be an infantry officer in it who says and dreams this exact thing.

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>>2915791
POH-TAY-TOES
boil 'em, mash 'em
stick 'em in a stew

>>2920276
White is the summer uniform. The same applies to the PLAN, and most navies around the world.

>>2911908
Yeah good luck finding them when we have to fight them in the China South Sea

Gonna paw him, claw him, saw him in half
When he cries out for mercy we'll just laugh
Beat him, heat him, eat him for dessert, yeah
Roast him gently so the flames won't hurt

>>2914834
I and a friend 100% agree.

>>2915473
>>2920371
Dark grey can can work in just about any setting. Camos are easier to train the sight on once they are discerned. As soon as the first camo was made other armies felt the need to implement it in order to feel safe and up to date just like with medium calibers and pistol grips on rifles. A plain dark green fatigue probably works just as well as a woodland pattern.

Who /CADPAT/ here
MARPAT and ACUPAT can eat shit

>>2922266
Jesus fucking christ, who let the retards out of special education.
>>2922536
CADPAT is alright, but since the Canuck government are a bunch of pantywaists who can't bear the thought of their citizens having fun, they've barred CADPAt from being sold on the civilian market.

>>2920821
he was picturing you retard

This isn't new, late WWI battle dress uniforms all looked the same sans helmets.

these motherfuckers get paid billions year and they can't give their troops some sort of face/neck/anywhere besides the vest BP armor. They obviously can when they want to spend it on special forces, but then they send these kids out with nothing but vests.

>>2917226
>ywn get dysentery far away from your home and die in a pool of your own shit

>>2922630
>Muh speshall commercially shilled high tek bdu made with state of the art moister wicking fabric
They don't call it the oil military industrial complex for nothing