Can someone give me a quick rundown on DDR? How was life in there

>>2908871
>Deutschland Demokratische Republik
>Demokratische

Also known as worst Germany and Worst Berlin
Experienced enlightenment in 1990

>>2908871
>How was life in there compared to the rest of Soviet Union
exactly the same

it sucked

theres a reason why people risked their lives trying to escape to the west and not the other way around

>Deutsche
>Demokratische
>Republik

>>2908871
>Can someone give me a quick rundown on DDR?
Basically stepmania but you also get diagonal input and instead of using a keyboard or a controller it's a mat you put on the floor and you press the input buttons with your feet.

>>2908942
pick one and only one

>>2908949
What if I want to pick both German and Republic?

>>2908973
>[lets in hordes of muslims]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTV92wqYjfA
They had a better national anthem.

Egon Krenz and Jerry Seinfeld are the same person.

Also don't believe Wessie lies about GDR. Shit wasn't great but it wasn't fucking 1984 larp.

Also people who tried to cross the wall were idiots.

What they were allowed to make for themselves, they made better than any other commie.

though generally, everything was horrible because the Soviets kept the country under occupation. murdering and torturing any east german they suspected of of not being a perfectly loyal communist.

Now the East Germans run the German government under Comrade General Secretary Merkel.

East Germany = keeps authentic German culture, traditions, ethos, attitudes and history alive.
West Germany = American satellite state.

>>2909971
What about the Trabant?

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>>2908871
Life was better then in SU and most communist regimes. Even better then in some western nations. You got a job, healthcare, childcare, tasty food, a home, good public transport, nearly no crime. On the downside you could not easily travel the western world. If you don't want to get in trouble you better pretend to like communism.

>>2911151
This, pretty cushy considering that it was supposed to be the model state that the soviets really wanted to trigger the west
Just don't say something that can be even slightly questionable if you don't want the stasi to fuck you up

>>2911163
I want communism back, I miss the DDR.

The Wall:
Sure, it was hard to get out but even harder to get in. No Muslims, no rapefugees.

Economy:
Sure, there weren't 60 different kinds of dildos available but there was also no unemployment and people helped each other out instead of trying to bring each other down.

Patriotism:
Sure, we were occupied by the Russians in a way, but patriotism was still encouraged and no one promoted racial and cultural suicide.

Culture:
Poisonous American culture was mostly kept out of the country. No McDonalds, no Hollywood, no SJW degeneracy. The DDR was undeniably GERMAN. Not American degenerate race mixed brown-black Hollywood Niggers working at McDonalds, ads with trannies and queers.

Religion:
being a Christian in the DDR was still easier than being a Christian today in a SJW shit hole that is increasingly becoming Americanized. Sure, we don't have gay "marriage" in Germany yet, but it's just a matter of time until we are like the US where you commit a crime if you don't bake those gays their fucking cake.

Downside:
The surveillance was shit, of course. Secret police and everything. But we have the same today. With NSA, CIA, FBI whoever watching. And don't you dare to say a wrong word about feminists or refugees! We arguably have less freedom of speech today.

Also:
The part of Germany that was communist is the part now, were 30.000 people march through the streets to rally against Merkel, mass-immigration, against the Islamization adn the Americanization. It's the part of PEGIDA, LEGIDA, Björn Höcke, people in Heidenau literally attacking the refugee-protecting police at night and then hiding in their neighbor's houses. West Germany is the "Refugees Welcome" SJW part.

50 years of Soviet occupation has obviously done less damage than 50 years (and counting) of American occupation.

We currently are under foreign domination.
But the foreign domination from the USSR was much better than foreign domination from the USA

>>2908871

They had a pretty legit national anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CyPjQQTAM

>>2911151
Meh, you also used old tires as fucking flowerbeds. Looks like there is nothing in Russia - whether shitty or based - that had not originated from Germans

>>2911211
>Not American degenerate race mixed brown-black Hollywood Niggers working at McDonalds, ads with trannies and queers.
Whether these things are exclusively American imports is up to debate. I'd argue France and the United Kingdom was bigger perpetuaters of mixed race degeneracy until the 1960s.

Americas the land that created Eugenics after all.

>>2909951
>Not 1984
>Literally 1 in 3 people are informants

>>2912466
It's not hard to be an informant. It'd be like leaving a tip to your local police station.

>>2911211
Is this an elaborate troll or are you really that deluded?

>>2912490
Germany is different from USA. They really do have anti-hate laws that is punishable by law.

>>2911211
>We arguably have less freedom of speech today.
This reminds me of a communist-era joke.
An American and a Russian are talking. The American says "In the United States we have freedom of speech, I can easily go outside and should that the American president is an idiot." And the Russian said "We too have freedom of speech - I can also go outside and shout that the American presidents is an idiot."

>>2911211
>But we have the same today. With NSA, CIA, FBI whoever watching.
Oh fuck off. I don't see the FBI kicking down your door for even minor criticism of the state, putting you along with the rest of your family on cattle trains, and sending you to starve in siberia, where you'll most likely die but your family members will keep your rotting corpse around for months in order to make the state think you're alive so they'll get a couple more rations to live off of for a while. You dumb fuck. Seriously, I am being 100% sincere when I say every commieboo deserves to suffer this sort of shit.

>>2912536
>I don't see the FBI kicking down your door for even minor criticism of the state, putting you along with the rest of your family on cattle trains, and sending you to starve in siberia, where you'll most likely die but your family members will keep your rotting corpse around for months in order to make the state think you're alive so they'll get a couple more rations to live off of for a while.
You actually think life in East Germany was like this? Maybe for the brief period between WW2 ending and the death of Stalin. You need to lay off the kool aid, friend.

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>>2911211
Literally everything in this post is wrong and/or based on grandparents tales.

>no unemployment
Officially no, in reality there was. A lot. (http://www.zeit.de/1984/21/das-dicke-ende-kommt-erst-noch/komplettansicht)
>people helped each other out
This is what economics without currency looks in hindsight. (http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftswissen/wirtschaftsgeschichte-der-weg-der-ddr-in-den-untergang-11043750.html)
>Being a Christian in the DDR was still easier than being a Christian today
Yeah, never mind that priests set themselves on fire in protest. It was totally chilly.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Br%C3%BCsewitz
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-40606779.html
>But we have the same today. With NSA, CIA, FBI
No, we don't. We are on the way maybe but were are not there yet. Also the Stasi was maybe the biggest secret police in history (per capita). 100.000 informants; numbers that dwarf even the Gestapo.
> It's the part of PEGIDA, LEGIDA
If you like right violence so much move to NRW. That Land has more attacks than the new Länder combined.
>We currently are under foreign domination.
>muh Jews
Haha inbred loser.

>>2912550
He never mentioned Jews. Nice insecurity.

>>2912557
>insecurity
What does this have to do with insecurity? If your dumb ESL ass doesn't know the right word to express your emotions, you should probably hold your tongue.

>>2912566
>What does this have to do with insecurity?
you freaked out that any complaint against a foreign power influencing Germany is ultimately directed at Jews when clearly that poster was referring to America. Hence insecurity.

>>2912573
Define insecurity.

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>>2908871
DDR was the true continuation of the Prussian militarist state. The NVA was handed a state with which to crate the strongest possible army with which to crush western Europe in event of a war. Other Warsaw pact countries were consistently impressed with the discipline of the NVA and would request officers to help train their troops. the DDR was also one of the biggest contributors to equipping and training communist guerillas in the western hemisphere, superseded only by the Soviet Union and on par with Cuba. obviously quality of life wasn't great, such was not the purpose of the DDR as a state. It existed entirely to execute the final stage of Communist expansion into western europe and the destruction of Capitalism, and would have succeeded at this task given the opportunity.

>tfw we will never get to see NVA T-72s rolling under the arc de triomphe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ynTsskKL8g

>>2911211
Then go to north korea

>>2908871

>Up until 1952, the lines between Soviet-occupied eastern Germany and the western occupied zones could be easily crossed in most places.[60] Accordingly, before 1961, most of that east-west flow took place between East and West Germany, with over 3.5 million East Germans emigrating to West Germany before 1961,[61][62]
It was so good for people they all wanted to leave.

>>2912613

The idea of international socialist revolution died in 1939, if not earlier. East Germany was one of several buffer satellite states to counter the anti-communist West.

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>>2912573
You are not even talking to the guy who wrote >>2912550
Which is me. >>2911211 is objectively a alt-right-pussy (who seems to believe inbred-fucks like Bernd Höcke) so assuming he is some tinfoil-ZOG-fedora-tard is legitimate but let's assume he is wrong: According to you which foreign power is now dominating Germany (the country who is in line for a seat at the security council and is dominating the continent politically and economically)?

>>2912674
>you which foreign power is now dominating Germany
USA dominates every NATO nation.

>>2911211
>foreign
wtf i love east germany now

>>2912682
No.

>>2912689
>NATO is an equal partnership
lol

>>2912488
1 in 3 were regular informants. It wasn't just like someone dropped a line on a friend

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>>2911211
This is pasta btw

>>2911163
>>2912550

I wish I lived in the DDR.
The NSA makes the stasi look like children playing cops and robbers.

There was more freedom in East Germany than in modern Germany.

The economic miracle of Western Germany is a fucking myth, based getting your ass blasted with American money and profiting of cheap labor from the East.

The Soviets were actually less destructive of German culture in East Germany than Americans were in West Germany. Soviets just preserved existing German institutions and pretty seamlessly integrated them into the Soviet system. East Germans were never really taught to hate themselves. Western denazification on the other hand instituted a campaign of cultural decimation and psychological brutality on an unprecedented level.
America has always been the primary evil empire.

>>2912550
It wasn't all bad. Families were given bare land and could live of it. A very communal livestyle that promoted aligning your interests with each other. It was hard work but you actually reaped what you sowed and naturally distributed the surplus in your community, where the state wouldn't notice. Everyone had some kind of usefull profession and role.

It was only when the given land got economically valuable, that the state would take it away, nationalize it and overwork the workers and land till it's bare again. That was the cycle in rural parts of the GDR.

In order to hold ever growing civil unrest down, stasi and propaganda had to gain power in equal proportions. That sowed distrust and suspicion. What the state hated the most, was ironically the church

It wasn't as bad as most people say, there was a better healthcare system and poverty practically didn't exist.

There was literally no unemployment in the DDR. Everyone got enough money for healthy food and heating which can't be said about Germany today.


>but muh iPhones and muh big houses!

Is materialism really worth becoming a minority in your own country for?

>>2911151

Easterner here.
Once you accepted the fact that you will never leave the zone, life was pretty utopian (expect you could via Mongolia, but only few people knew how).

Sure we didn't had those awesome stuff Westerners had and the state leaders were dumbfucks, and the party was pretty conservative. But their inability to adapt, which was the reason the state ceased existing in the end, was why we could enjoy the few freedoms that we had. Because whenever something new came, they never knew how to react to this.

If the right people came to power, the DDR would've been a neat place. But Ulbricht was a cunt and Honecker an idiot. And those two were the only ones we had.

Germany was better under socialism.
East Germany:
- 99% white
- extremely safe
- no terrorism
- no mosques
- no degeneracy
- low divorce rate
- above replacement fertility
- no immigration

>>2912920
>There was more freedom in East Germany than in modern Germany.

You mean apart from economic freedom, political freedom, and religious freedom, right?

>>2909997
DDR had the highest living standards of any of the Eastern Bloc countries and arguably the entire communist movement of the 20th Century.

If you are the kind of person who values community, air-tight pristine vaginas and hasnt got much material desires or wishes to travel it was a very good country to live in.

also remember that the iron curtain kept out all the materialist poison of the west

what that meant was all men dressed like autists (Urkel-style with pants pulled up to the belly) and were drowning in pussy

and ladies were properly innocent, feminine, homely and nerdy as well

>pristine, air-tight, selflubricating, raw pussy; free quality healthcare, free high quality education, minimum of 1 month paid vacation, free housing, 4 day work week

>loose, gapping, festering infested prolapsed anus; costly shitcare, shitducation, and bananas stuffed up your orifices

>>2912466
Source?

>>2912942
>(expect you could via Mongolia, but only few people knew how).
Sounds pretty risky desu

>>2912727
How can you write this nonsense if >>2912550
just gave you the correct number. Maybe you are just not good at maths? It's more like 1 in 70. But you just don't need more to spy on everyone.

>>2912962
>>2912942
>>2912613
>>2911211
I've become in love with the East Germany, am a huge coldwaraboo and wish it was still going on. What should I do?

>>2913605
go to Berlin...

see the DDR museum or Checkpoint Charlie museum. In the DDR museum they have a recreation of the typical DDR house... was pretty cool place, you could actually pick up most things...

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>>2909997
>>2911211
>>2912613
>>2912920
>>2912942
Whats with all this glorification of Germanic culture? I thought this place supposed to hate Germans, so Germany and traditional culture are fine only if they become commies?
Damn hypocritical lefties

>>2914577
I hate G*rmans completely, should've let the Habsburgs rule them sibce they obviously cannot rule themselves

>>2914577
I'm one of the anti-German posters but it's just bantz. I love German culture, including Prussia and East Germany.

>>2908871
As far as I know it had some of the best living standards in Eastern/Central Europe, along with Yugoslavia. People weren't rich by any means and certain goods like cars and bananas were hard to come by, but everyone generally had housing, a job, education, healthcare, and food. People couldn't leave, and the Stasi would quickly be on to anyone who got out of line, but after 1971ish you would mostly be harassed or possibly imprisoned rather than outright murdered.

>>2912536
Literally wasn't like that except possibly in some ways during the Stalinist era. A lot of this is exaggeration though.

>>2908871
Life in the DDR was so good that people in West Germany were trying to escape there all the time

>>2914806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRnCnO1Y2c

Is Jugoslavija the only real example of a functioning Socialist state?

>Free healthcare
>Very good healthcare to the extent that people from France, Germany and UK were flying over for operations and procedures.
>Free education
>Brilliant "arts thinkers" and science programmes so advance, they sold rocket technology to both the Russians and Americans
>Free housing
>Comfy and roomy homes easily capable of withstanding the schizophrenic weather that the Balkans endures (freezing winters, boiling summers)
>Comprehensive transport links
>You want to go to the coast? Jump on a train. Need to see your girlfriend's parents in another state? Smooth roads linking city to city.
>Full employment
>Work weighing you down? Enjoy more mandated leave than most countries in Western Europe
>Worried about overbearing external influences?
>Don't worry. Tito is playing both the Yanks and the Ruskies.
>SUCCESSFULLY

There was no debt in Yugoslavia, everybody had at least apartment and a house. Debt is now. Yugoslavia had very simple credit system

>>2914806
Hungary was colloquially known as the happiest barrack in the Eastern block due to perceived greater freedom and quality of life its citizens enjoyed. Compared to other soviet countries, Hungarian human rights record was relatively clear and the people enjoyed many amenities and were unkown to chronic shortages and long queues. Lot of alternative culture was tolerated to a degree, best described by Kádár's slogan "Who is not against us, is with us".


>>2915325

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRnCnO1Y2c

nice

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>>2908948
Was looking for this, good job anon

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All these guys praising DDR for being racially pure and bragging about pussies would have ended up in STASI prison. DDR ideology was antifascist, anti-racist, feminist, etc.

>>2916128
you are wrong

(>>2912962) is right

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>>2914526
>DDR museum
>you could actually pick up most things...
It's a private museum and the most pleb place imaginable.

>>2912962
>4 day work week
>free housing
>making stuff up
> that the iron curtain kept out all the materialist poison of the west
Actually the opposite happens. Especially for the youth materialistic possessions were more and more important since so much stuff couldn't just be bought. But I guess this is pasta anyway.

>>2912490
>>2912536
>>2912629

>i know more than you do about your own country where you've lived your entire life

classic burger

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>>2917995
>where you've lived your entire life
So you were born in like 1975? If not, which I guess is more likely, you are probably born between 85 and 95. In either case your "experience" is based on tales by your ostalgic relatives and not on any form for education. Since your and them are probably now in Höcke mode it seems very likely to me that you are full on retard.
>t. German historian

>>2908871
>Give me a quick rundown on the GDR
No. I'll give you an extremely long rundown on the GDR. Watch all 7 parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fwQv5h7Lq8

>>2908871
well it literally obliterated the belief in god over its territory during its short duration.

>>2918363
The only commieboos I encounter are either historically illiterate white american teens or hags fosilating in dilapidated apartments, sitting in front of the TV all day and rotting away while having fits of nostalgia over their youth and a life they once had during a regime that was losing its grip and dying anyway.

I find it pretty funny how people praise the soviet union while going on about how it got better the more it lost its authority and was slipping into ruin.

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>>2911211
thanks for the laugh. best post on /his/ right now.

>>2908942
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
God damn germans.

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>>2912536
>I don't see the FBI kicking down your door for even minor criticism of the state

>>2908888
quads always tell lies

>>2915325

Yugoslavia was left leaning state that played footsies with both west and east. A combination of ideology and geography gave the country more importance on the world state. This is not very easily replicable.

Also you are vastly underestimating the economic problems of the state near the end. Also it was held together by a single person, without him there was nothing holding the country together. This shows him less like a genius and more of an autocrat who didnt actually resolve ethnic, religious divide. To be fair to Tito, I doubt anyone could have but still, it was as good as it could get.

>>2920919
>t. single-digit manlet

>>2915325

No, Yugoslavija contained Kosovo, which was a total shithole. Macedonia and Bosnia weren't much better either. Serbia was so so. Parts of Croatia and Slovenija were rather decent I guess.

>Comprehensive transport links

Yugoslavija had few real highways (anyone got a map?), much was and is still being built after the breakup. Even now, Bosnia just has finished only a small section of the highway around Sarajevo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_(Bosnia_and_Herzegovina))

>>Full employment

Wrong, Yugoslavija was one of the few socialist states with substantial unemployment, its ideologues claimed it was a normal phenomenon in the early stages of socialism. Underdeveloped regions like Kosovo had very high unemployment rates. The regime encouraged people to seek work abroad (mainly Germany, Austria, Switzerland) to alleviate the problem and also to get hard currency into the country (needed to pay for YU's huge import deficit with the West)

>There was no debt in Yugoslavia

There was and it caused its downfall

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>>2921076
I think the double lines were actually the only highways in Yugoslavia, not sure though

>>2912550
His fucking Sources
>Zeit
>Spiegel
>FAZ
>Wikipedia
are you baiting? These are all anti-Commie sources, fuck off and get some objectives ones dickhead.

>Deutschland
>Demokratische
>Republik

>>2920910
>FBI
>Switzerland

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>>2908871
Political theory was everywhere. Want an engineering degree? Enjoy your minor in marxist-leninist bullshit. Want to go to university? You better do your three years of military service and be from a "good" family.

The standard of living was the highest in the entire Second World, but it was still behind the West by a large degree. Typical socialist mix of relatively good health care, great education, and absolutely no """"""luxury""""" (as in, not required to stay alive) consumer products, except from specialty stores for insanely high prices after long wait times. Clothes and other items were usually poorly made, but rugged and and simple, so they could be repaired by laymen.
Nobody ever went hungry, but you didn't exactly have choice and the food available was basic and seasonal. Meat when and if it's available. Fruits when and if they are available.

Industrial and residential buildings were slowly falling apart, as there was insufficient funding for maintenance. Industrial plants were death traps. Environmental protection meant locking up people who complain that the chemical plant pumps its waste directly into a local lake.

Lignite strip mines, lignite power plants and heavy industry as far as the eye can see.

Corruption everywhere. Everyone from workers to the head of state stole what he could get away with and lied whenever possible. Need concrete? Tough shit, you can't buy that, but if you give a ham to your buddy Johann, who works at the cement factory, and come by the plant with your car this evening...

The whole place was kept running by West German "loans" since the early 80s.

Also this >>2909016

>>2911211
This guy has no idea what he is talking about.

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>By the 1970s, the Stasi had decided that the methods of overt persecution that had been employed up to that time, such as arrest and torture, were too crude and obvious. It was realised that psychological harassment was far less likely to be recognised for what it was, so its victims, and their supporters, were less likely to be provoked into active resistance, given that they would often not be aware of the source of their problems, or even its exact nature. Zersetzung was designed to side-track and "switch off" perceived enemies so that they would lose the will to continue any "inappropriate" activities.

>Tactics employed under Zersetzung generally involved the disruption of the victim's private or family life. This often included psychological attacks, such as breaking into homes and subtly manipulating the contents, in a form of gaslighting – moving furniture, altering the timing of an alarm, removing pictures from walls or replacing one variety of tea with another. Other practices included property damage, sabotage of cars, purposely incorrect medical treatment, smear campaigns including sending falsified compromising photos or documents to the victim's family, denunciation, provocation, psychological warfare, psychological subversion, wiretapping, bugging, mysterious phone calls or unnecessary deliveries, even including sending a vibrator to a target's wife. Usually, victims had no idea that the Stasi were responsible. Many thought that they were losing their minds, and mental breakdowns and suicide could result.

Truly a superior place and time.

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>>2921485
holy shit communists are this deluded. Anybody who claims eastern Europe under the soviets wasn't a utopia are lying and are not objective....

>>2908871
I was with a woman who grew up in the DDR, from Schmalkalden. We were together for a little over two years.

She said it was just fine. No poverty, no bread lines, everyone knew they had a place and future. She also fondly recalled how society was more involved, that your commie block neighbors would just invite you in for coffee at any time if needed something, or that schoolmates would check on eachother if they were having trouble getting to school on time, that sort of thing.

>>2911151
That's not necesarilly true.

Berlin was hot, but most people had homes or apartments for life in their towns, and god jobs for life. You just couldn't speak out against the socialist system (they were not were not were not Communist) or the state in any serious way. Everyone got western music, watched west-German tv, you could speak freely with your neighbors. The Stasi wouldn't come get you in the night.

You could also do some limited travel, like to vacation in Hungary or the Czechoslovakia.

>>2921902
Based

>>2908871
They had more freedom compared to other client states and were doing slightly better. West germany had much higher quality of life. If you visit there now you can still see scars of it. Eastern Germany is worse than western Germany by good margin even after all these times.

>>2912942
>it's ok if we're a poor shithole where people get spied upon, at least there are no muslims here!

>>2921902
>unnecessary deliveries, even including sending a vibrator to a target's wife
absolute madman

>>2922351
>>2921902

read skinwalker ranch. the intel agencies learned from the best: paranormal entities

now this shit is on a global scale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch