What is the most aesthetic borders in history and why is it the

>>2907682
Is it fair to say that most Aragonese at that time spoke a version of medieval Catalan?

>>2907682
Ottoman borders at its biggest extent

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>>2907691
valencian*

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>>2907693
Hell no. Should have stopped at the Danube, taking Hungary was a huge mistake. To the south, yeah, it looks great, but the northern borders are fucking awful.

Achaemenid Empire looked amazing.

>>2907729
GREAT post

>>2907729
Ignorant Ameriburger here. How different would these different medieval Iberian descendants of Latin have been?

Obviously Basque isn't even Indo-European and thus totally different, but would medieval Castillian, Portuguese, Valencian, Catalan, Occitan, etc. have had some level of mutual intelligibility?

>>2907691
It depends on the regions. In Aragon Aragonese and Castillian were the most spoken languages. In the interior of Valencia Castillian was the most spoken language while Valencian/Catalan was the most spoken language. In Catalonia Catalan was the most spoken language with some occitant here and there

>>2907774
i quess so, if they have now some level the same would happen before. Occitan would be the most difficult to understand tho.

remove muslims

>>2907822
>>2907842
Thanks anons.

>>2907682
>aragon
thank god that thing does not exist anymore despite what commielonians want

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I support Polish independence, but if we talk purely aesthetics, then it's 1914 Europe.

>>2907691
Yes, back then it was called "llemosí" and it was spoken in the crown of Aragon. When the two crowns united, because of Castille having more power and influence, spanish started to become trendy at the point that in the actual Aragon almost no one speaks catalan (but they do in Catalonia, Valencia and the Balearic Islands of course)

>>2908529
They don't want aragon back, they want their fictional Països Catalans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Countries

They also teach in schools that it wasn't the Crown of Aragon but the Catalo-Aragonese Crown.

They also stole some artworks from the era and claimed it was theirs

http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/09/05/inenglish/1473071302_084217.html

>>2907774
Galician here (if you don't know what it is you can start going out of this board forever)

Since the Eight Century it is known that there were multiple languages accross the Iberian Peninsula.
Once the muslims invaded the visigodos (there were more germans e.g. sueves) only the northern languages survived. And then with the centralization of kingdoms the languages evolved different. Example: The Galician-Portuguese was at 1200 the most important language at Christian Kingdoms (you have a leonese king writing his poems in it (alfonso X - Cantigas de Santa María)). But since Galicia got in Leon and POrtugal got independent, they got quite different. I live at the South of Galicia so if I go to Porto I can barely understand what they say, but at Lisboa I simply can't.

Those languages obviously came from Latin, but the Germans and Arabs made them different.

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>>2907682
European Russian Empire (and it' prussian neighbour) has some seriously A E S T H E T I C curves

>>2908636
>>2908952
1914 Europe would have looked better with an independent Poland desu

>>2907682
WW1 Germany desu

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The only thing I would change is giving Slovakia to Hungary

>>2907774
>Obviously Basque isn't even Indo-European
So what the fuck are they?

>>2909230
Unique

>>2909234
I think they are Spanish who want to be contrarians so they decided to be assholes

>>2907691
In Aragon they spoke Aragonese and in some places Catalan too. The Principality (Catalonia region) spoke Catalan. Valencia spoke a mix, mainly Catalan. The Balears fully Catalan, too.

So maybe yes, it would be rather fair to say so. The court got a hard-on Castillian later, though, and used it un-officially besides Catalan.

t. Some guy who has studied the history of the Catalan language

>>2909255
No, you have no idea. Their language is like what a satanic ritual sounds like. All their words seem to incorporate too many X's and "oea"'s. If Spain had entered WW2, Basque could have rivaled Navajo as the standard code language, because the words they use have absolutely no base in any other language in Europe, or the world, for that matter.

>>2908636
Austria-Hungary was a complete shitshow, but damn did it have an aesthetic border.

>>2909218
I'd give all of Thrace to Greece, too.

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>>2907731
>that ending

>>2907682
The Iberian peninsula still has the most aesthetic borders in history.

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A E S T H E T I C

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all the clay beneath the blue sky belongs to the great khan

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>>2909424

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Add Lappland, Kola and Karelia and it would be perfect

>>2909458
>not northumbria
why do you hate me i am nordic aryan ginger master race blue eyed mongoloid nigger
i am one of you

>>2909218
> Ireland ain't complete
> Turkey is in Europe

>>2909218
>Turkey doesn't rule all of Greece
>Poland has west Ukraine
>Germany is too big
.
Shit

>>2909667
>thrace still turkish
my friend...........

>>2909667
>germany doesnt have silesia, west prussia, or north schleswig

nigga what

>>2910082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUsOaB5V2c

>>2909667
>catalonya separated from Aragón
¿?¿?¿?

With those borders, it looks kinda like Max Stirner.

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spain internal regional divisions should look like this.
>represents the 5 kingdoms referenced in the spanish coat of arms (plus Canary island)

>>2911535
>Granada has Murcia and western Andalucia
Wtf is this none sense?

>>2911543
you cant please everyone at once
would it make more sense giving Murcia to the Crown of Aragon? if it was "accurate" it would be such a tiny region

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>>2909667
>åland is in finnish hands

>>2908877
I know who Galicians are (the people immediately north of Portugal).

Thanks Anon.

>>2909255
That's not how languages work you autistic retard. Basque is a language isolate - it has no confirmed relatives.

>>2909296
Interesting, thanks Anon.

>>2909667
What the fuck are these romanian borders

>>2908877
You can only barely understand what they say in Porto? That doesn't happen to every Galician you know? I get 90% of what they say if they don't speak too quickly. Same with most of Brazilian varieties. From Lisbon to the south it's very difficult to understand, I agree with that.

Also, Galician-Portuguese was not the most important language in 1200, it was only the most valued one for writing poetry (they had good taste).

Saúdos, meu

>>2909230
no one really knows. Some say it comes from ancient etruscan (italy region) and that they managed to keep themselves isolated when romans conquered hispania

>>2911624
>United Ireland

t.butthurt mick

>>2909230
Nobody's sure. They might be a relic population of the neolithic peoples living in Europe before the Indo-Europeans arrived though.

The Roman Empire at its zenith under Hadrian was aesthetic as fuck.

>>2907682
Just me or does this colouration make Portugal and Grenada look like a face and neck, with Castile as its majestice blonde mullet?

>>2909230

preindoeuropeans, like the Etruscans or the Pelasgians.

Most probably of neolithic origin, not a hunter gatherer language.

>>2909230
he's talking about the languages dummy

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>>2907682
>Continent has the most naturally appealing boundaries in the world
>Countries split the land in an awkward way that makes the individual nations look like shit
Why?

>>2907731
What kind of map is that?

>>2913627
It's a gif showing the rise and fall of the Achaemenid empire.

>>2909218
Germany is too bloated and a divided Ireland looks bad, change it to total control either way.

>>2909667
>That Italy
Thanks doc.

>>2908636
Man, I miss playing Diplomacy.

>>2913401
>what is the whole of history
It's not there because the first humans decided the borders with MS paint (apart from the European colonization of Africa)

>>2911624
>shitty straight line borders
Fuck you

>>2911535

>Cantabria leonesa
>Zamora castellana
>La Rioja navarra
>Murcia y Andalucía entera es granadina

Dale Mallorca al Reino del Alentejo y habrás conseguido un 10/10 en retarded af.

>>2908952
Pre-Vienna borders looked better desu

>>2907682
How/why did Navarre get cucked out of a coastline?

>>2919670
Vizcaya chose to join Castile and Gupuzcoa got annexed by Castile after the Navarrese king launched an invasion on Castile.

>>2909166
nah the way the german and french empires are of similar size with unique shape looked much better.

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>>2909218
fixed it

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>>2909218
>>2920835
your map a shit

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>>2920936
wrong map lel

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It's Stirner with a mullet