What were the worst ideas in history? "This thread"

White people

arab nationalism

Unified Germany.

The OP

Honestly.
The holocaust was the worst mistake of the 19 th century.

>>2887100
There was an holocaust in the 19th century?

>>2887063
Prohibition

>>2887100
What's a holocaust

>>2887104
He might mean the Armenians. It's up there but I'd put Marxism as the #1 worst idea of the 19th century myself.

>>2887140
Or the Boers.

>>2887117
it's an anime genre

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>>2887063

anime

>>2887063
Great leap forward is up there
The Rus princes not uniting and crushing the Mongols when they had the chance
WW1 as a whole
Treaty of Versailles
Killing Saddam
Killing any leader that the CIA thought wouldn't make a good puppet
Iran post 1978
Jackson letting the common man vote
Woman's suffrage

>>2887063
Adam eating the fucking apple

>>2887063
Slavery. Not even meming. Industrialization could've started centuries or millennia earlier.

>>2887398
that is a meme though, you needed specific techs to start the industrial revolution which the Romans did not have

Humiliating the Romans at Caudine Forks

>>2887398
>this meme
No, ancient Greece couldn't have started the industrial revolution. The prerequisite for the industrial revolution would have been a pretty advanced level of metallurgy and resource extraction (in particular mining, as big coal veins are found at a certain depth, and you need technology to reach them), which just didn't exist before the industrial revolution. You can't make machines if you're not able to cast parts with great precision, and metalworking techniques wouldn't be advanced enough for quite a while more.

Slavery was a terrible idea - yes. But not because it prevented an earlier industrial revolution. The Greeks have invented the steam engine, but they simply had no way of utilizing it at that time.

Napoleons reinstate of slaves in haiti, i mean things could have been ok

>>2887063
This thread.

your mother's desire to have a child

>>2887498
i lol'd

the great leap forward is truly incredible, not just in the amount of waste suffering and death it produced for literally no gain, but in the amount of ill-conceived and fantastical ideas that became public policy during it

>deep planting
>the policy of digging several feet down and planting crops there, working under the notion that if topsoil was exhausted then the soil underneath must still be rich. The reality was that only the topsoil had a significant number of nutrients and most crops had reduced yields or failed to take entirely in the deep soil.

>close planting
>the idea that plants of the same species would not compete with one another, so similar crops should be spaced much closer together than normal to allow far more produce to be grown on a smaller plot of land. The reality was that plants still competed with one another even when they were of the same species, and yields were reduced due to each plant having less nutrients.

>during the Lushan conference in 1959 to discuss the effectiveness of the great leap forward Peng Duhai, who was the secretary of defense and had been a long time friend of Mao's and had also been commander and chief during the Korean war, spoke quite pointedly of the great leap forward's obvious failure and pleaded with Mao to reverse course, since the great famine had already started in some areas.
>Mao had actually entered the conference planning on scaling back some of the more obvious excesses of the great leap forward, but as if out of spite he purged Peng and not only ordered all great leap forward policies to remain in place but even expanded some.
>over the next 2 years 30 million people died in the worst famine in human history

>it was almost entirely manmade

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>>2887100
tell em about the gorillion, goy

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Socialism/Communism/Marxism/Collectivism/MUH STATE

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>>2887065
This

Hitler was a mistake and ruined nationalism for everybody.
The great leap forward.
The Armada
Chopping all the wood for every sunken island civilisation ever. Easterislanders as the most promiment example.
Congolese rape magic
Drawing borders in africa instead of enthralling the structures already in place.
Circumcision for americans

>>2887581

arabs are literal shit at war tho

also the french revolution

>>2887343
/thread

>>2887343

universal suffrage was definitely a massive, massive mistake

neoconservatism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

>A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the "Clean Break" report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1] The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values." It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle

>Richard Norman Perle (born September 16, 1941) is an American political advisor, consultant, and lobbyist who began his career in government as a senior staff member to Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson on the Senate Armed Services Committee in the 1970s.[2] Later he was heavily involved with the Reagan administration and served as an assistant Secretary of Defense and also worked on the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee from 1987 to 2004. He was Chairman of the Board in 2001 under the Bush Administration but eventually """"resigned"""" in 2003 """""due to conflict of interests"""".

>Perle was born in New York City, New York, the son of Jewish parents,[4][5]

Right after his plan had been successfully implemented.

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>>2887625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol

>Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks. He was chairman of the New Citizenship Project from 1997 to 2005. In 1997, he co-founded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) with Robert Kagan. He is a member of the board of trustees for the free-market Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, a member of the Policy Advisory Board for the Ethics and Public Policy Center, and a director of the Foreign Policy Initiative. He is also one of the three board members of Keep America Safe, a think tank co-founded by Liz Cheney and Debra Burlingame, and serves on the board of the Emergency Committee for Israel and the Susan B. Anthony List.[3]

>Kristol was born on December 23, 1952 in New York City, into a Jewish family. His father, Irving Kristol was an editor and publisher who served as the managing editor of Commentary magazine, founded the magazine The Public Interest and has been described as the "godfather of neoconservatism".[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

>Robert Kagan (born September 26, 1958) is an American historian, author, columnist, and foreign-policy commentator. Kagan is mainly characterized as a leading neoconservative, but he prefers the term "liberal interventionist" to describe himself.[1] Some have characterized his approach to international relations theory as realist.[2

>In 1997, Kagan co-founded the now-defunct neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century with William Kristol.[3][5][11] Through the work of the PNAC, Kagan was an early and strong advocate of military action to "remove Mr. Hussein and his regime from power".[12] The US achieved that goal in 2003, through the Iraq war.

Kagan is also Jewish.

>>2887592
>Chopping all the wood for every sunken island civilisation ever.
shame we're now following their example with resource depletion on a global scale

>>2887593
>the french revolution
explain your reasoning

>>2887625
>>2887636
THANK YOU

I've been looking for that "clean break" paper for months now. Couldn't remember its name.

>>2887599
>people's rights should be determined by their 23rd chromosome

>>2887665

>people's rights shouldn't be determined by their capacity for reasoning and clear abstract thought

women should not be allowed to vote for the same reason children are not allowed to vote

>>2887662

>literally the downfall of European nobility and the nail in the coffin for antiquity

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Harry annslingers conception. Bad idea that happened.

JFK's executive order 11110. Good idea that didn't.

>>2887670
people's rights aren't determined by capacity for reason, something that cannot be quantified, and they never have been

nor should they be

>>2887690

considering that in a democracy the people are tasked with electing their representatives on the supposed merit and competence of the candidates, I think the incapacity to think clearly and critically is a fair criteria for disqualification. It is why children are not permitted to vote, and women ought to be prohibited on the same grounds.

>>2887673
Why do you consider european nobility to be a good thing? Why should an accident of birth entitle someone to extensive privileges to be paid at the public's expense? The abstract fact that social hierarchy had been around for a long time was little comfort I imagine to the real people who were starving in the streets due to that system's failure.

>>2887700
>the incapacity to think clearly and critically is a fair criteria for disqualification
how are you quantifying this capacity

>>2887690
>something that cannot be quantified, and they never have been
>what is an IQ test

>>2887701

Birth is no accident. Heredity is the single greatest determining factor in ability and kismet. There will always be some disparity between titles and merit, but in general the nobles have been the stewards and champions of higher culture.

>Every elevation of the type 'man' has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society -- and so it will always be.

Just compare Europe during the Renaissance to Europe during the Revolution.

>>2887706
he didn't say people below a certain iq should be ineligible to vote, he said women (even women with an iq higher than him) should be barred from voting because of their apparent lack of a "capacity for reasoning and clear abstract thought" I want to see that quantified.

>>2887711
>birth is no accident
You chose your parents? I'd love to know how you pulled that one off.

>>2887663
You're welcome anon
Its the biggest fucking smoking gun of the subversion of American government in the latter half of the twentieth century but you'll be hard pressed to find it mentioned anywhere, even in articles and books discussing Iraq. I used to be a hard core Republican who argued that the Iraq War was good for the region (using ironically neo-con talking points), and I never saw it mentioned until I found /new/.

>>2887713
Technically he said "universal suffrage was a mistake", not women's vote.

>>2887722
he said that after I asked him to elaborate why he thought women shouldn't be allowed to vote

>>2887723
I'm pretty sure >>2887599 was his first post. Maybe you misquoted?

>>2887713

Women are largely incapable of considering any matter objectively. The distortion of their personal prejudices and general nearsightedness with respect to complex issues is well avouched. Their inclination towards pity and charity, together with their mortal terror of insecurity and abandonment, has made women the perennial champions of state aggrandizement and state expansion. They vote in their own interests, which is nothing exceptional; the problem is that their self-interest is diametrically opposed to the functioning of any free, competitive society. Women loathe competition and the outcomes it produces. Suffrage was the single greatest contributor to the explosion of despotism and collectivism that began in the 1920s.

>>2887711
>compare Europe during the Renaissance to Europe during the Revolution
Little to no proper justice
Feudalism still prelavent in most parts
Inquisition
Etc

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>>2887727
All I'm seeing is a whole lot of sweeping generalizations, if you're going to argue that half the world is incapable of thinking objectively (and that being self interested should be disqualifying for political enfranchisement) you're going to need more than that.

>The distortion of their personal prejudices and general nearsightedness with respect to complex issues is well avouched.
by who exactly, you?

>Suffrage was the single greatest contributor to the explosion of despotism
its rather amusing to me that this is your argument "we need to limit people's rights because they might want to limit people's rights"

pic related is my opinion on the matter, thankfully democracy is stronger than you think it is

>>2887730

And every kind of artistic flourish, scientific discovery, poetic rhapsody and cultural grandeur.

The way societies are valued today is essentially the slave's appraisal: in terms of fairness, justice, freedom, etc. The way societies were formerly valued was very different.

>>2887741
your lack of knowledge of art history is quite shocking

>>2887735

The stupid should be tolerated, for they are certainly in the majority. But enfranchised? I think not.

Less than half the world is capable of thinking objectively, but we are sensible enough to keep some of them out of the voting booth. Formerly, we were sensible enough to keep most of them out of the voting booth.

Appointment of Varus

>>2887747

Show me a more productive period in the history of art outside of antiquity than the Italian Renaissance was. The other great movements had a similar story. Nothing of the sort is possible today. It will likely not be possible again.

>>2887748
how are you quantifying who is too stupid to be allowed to vote

Since I assume you wish to take away these people's rights without their consent what will you do when it is decided without your consent that the definition no longer includes you

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>>2887753
the early 19th century

>>2887625
This explains why so many neocons ditched the Republican party during the last election cycle for Hillary, who was far more interested in intervention in Syria and against Russia which is propping them up.

>In interviews with POLITICO, leading GOP foreign-policy hands — many of whom promoted the Iraq War, detest Putin and consider Israel's security non-negotiable — said Trump would be a disaster for U.S. foreign policy and vowed never to support him. So deep is their revulsion that several even say they could vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump in November.

>“Hillary is the lesser evil, by a large margin,” said Eliot Cohen, a former top State Department official under George W. Bush and a strategic theorist who argues for a muscular U.S. role abroad. Trump's election would be “an unmitigated disaster for American foreign policy," Cohen said, adding that "he has already damaged it considerably.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-clinton-neoconservatives-220151

>>2887753
they just copied the greeks you sperg

>>2887783
>Trump's election would be “an unmitigated disaster for American foreign policy,"
well he certainly wasn't wrong in that regard considering his desire to cut the State Department's budget by a third

>>2887802
Thanks for completely missing the point while supporting our bloated military industrial complex.

>>2887812
the state department is not the military industrial complex

>>2887755

Start with disqualifying those who are too stupid to complete 12 years of schooling. Continue by disqualifying those who are too stupid to provide for themselves and who therefore depend on government subsidies. Conclude by disqualifying those who are over 75 years of age or deceased.

>>2887759

Not even close. I was referring to the plastic and pictorial arts specifically.

>>2887830
you didn't answer my question, what are you going to do when the rules are changed to disqualify anyone too stupid to be a millionaire

>>2887819
While it isn't, it loves having a fat state department budget since the state department relies heavily on the military, especially in regards to USAID distribution, one feeds the other. This is exactly what the Navy/Army is doing when not destroying Middle Eastern countries for foreign governments.

>>2887837
USAID is a red herring, its less than 1% of the budget

I read a report a few years ago that showed that Americans regularly vastly overestimated the amount of foreign aid the US gives, and want it to be "reduced" to a number much higher than what it actually is.

Do you think US humanitarian efforts overseas are just "a fat state department"? Should we not have helped stop the spread of Ebola because it was done by the army? Should we not send resources to natural disasters that save countless lives? Should we not help famine victims while at the same time creating jobs? You'd rather see them starve?

Should we not promote international peace?

>>2887854
50 billion isn't chump change.
>should we not intervene to stop X disaster
Really depends anon. We "intervened" in Iraq and set of a civil war killing over 1 million and sparking rhe creation of ISIS.
Once again, the focus wasn't on Trump's cuts of USAID. Thank you for steering this conversation away purposefully from the Israeli/Jewish influence and control of neoconservatism in the US.

>>2887866
no we invaded Iraq, I can't believe you'd say something so stupid as to conflate humanitarian efforts to stop the spread of a pandemic to a war

I thought I was talking to someone intelligent what the fuck?

>>2887063
Agriculture.

>>2887873
The entire basis of the invasion was himanitarian- the removal of WMDs and a regime which had been harsh toward the Kurds, Al Queda was a red herring and unconnected.
Stopping a pandemic and instigating a war for humanitarian reasons are similar, only the amount spent and methodology are different. Aid likewise doesn't buy allegiance, the child you save one day is an Al Shabob fighter years later. Focusing on the earlier mentioned red herring of Al Queda- they were able to exist due to both US military and non-military aid.

Napoleon III actively trying to segregate french algerians from unassimilated arabs. A big reason for why Algeria right now is culturally arab, not french.

>>2887886
>The entire basis of the invasion was himanitarian
Wrong. The entire basis for the invasion was securing the position of Israel.

>>2887886
this is preposterous, the iraq war was justified as a preemptive strike to defend america from WMDs it was not humanitarian aid

>>2887905
wrong, the entire basis for the invasion was securing rights to oil exploration
https://wonkette.com/227054/we-actually-won-the-iraq-war-hooray

>>2887916
Stay woke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

>>2887836

Seeing as most people in the middle class will technically be millionaires at some point in the next 30 years I think that's an arbitrary standard.

I don't think a democracy in which less than 1% of all citizens are allowed to vote is much of a democracy. But you're looking at this in black in white. Some reasonable restrictions on political franchise does not mean a general trend towards the abolition of democracy.

>>2887924
of course it does, curtailment of universal suffrage will invariably lead to oligarchy

>>2887905
You're right, I was stating the basis given by the Bush Administration.
>>2887909
Saddam was not affilated with Al Queda or any terrorist network (in fact he viewed Islamists as enemies)
No WMDs were found
Iraq had no ballistic missiles capable of delivering a payload to America
The whole war existed to
1. remove a major enemy of Israel with a large supply of oil wealth
2. encircle Iran
3. use the war as a spring board to destabilize Syria (which supplies Lebanon and Hezbollah as an Iranian ally)
4. depopulate enemy Arab nations

>>2887886

The basis of the invasion was to castrate Iraq. Don't confuse issues. The US government does not give a sixpence about people being massacred in foreign countries. If it did there would be no justification for supporting Israel or not invading North Korea.

>>2887924
>some reasonable restrictions
ah I'm glad you're the one who gets to decide when its "reasonable" to remove other people's civil rights without their consent

will you think its reasonable when it happens to you, will you not fight to defend your rights?

>>2887929
when did I say that Saddam had WMDs?

>dopopulate enemy arab nations
wew did you just accuse the united states of genocide?

>>2887928

We hardly had oligarchy for the 100 years between 1820 and 1920 when full suffrage was achieved in most western countries. If anything makes the case in favor of oligarchy, it is the kind of dysfunctional, unrestrained democracy we have now.

>>2887937
Well we sure didn't help. The civil war occurred in the vacuum caused by Saddam's absence fomented by various opposing factions supplied by the Saudis, US (as an Israeli proxy), Iran, and Gulf States.

Your parents skipping the rubber

>>2887932

I don't vote and I never plan to. I do not believe in the promise of politics, but I recognize the need to curtail the malfeasance and folly of those who do.

>>2887945
>I don't exercise my rights, therefore others shouldn't have them

>>2887942
that's quite different from america going to war to kill as many arabs as possible

>>2887950
Depopulation wasn't a reference to the death toll but the refugee crisis triggered by the Syrian Civil War, Libyan Civil War, and the creation of ISIS, all of which were either directly or indirectly results of the Iraq War.

>>2887949

>non sequitur

Voting should be a privilege, not a right. Something that has to be earned, like money or a diploma.

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>>2887932
>>2887945
>muh rights

>>2887962

Freedom is for the few.

Triple Entente.

>>2887063
Your mother not ending up in a camp

>>2887063
Islam, the French Revolution, and Communism.

Considering Nazism only arose as a reaction to communism, it doesn't deserve its own listing.

>>2887063
Equality

>>2887625
>Iraq was da J00z

>>2888723
1/3

>>2888723
this.

>>2889868
But all evidence points to them.

>>2887087
As a german, I agree.

>filthy bavarians
>filthy hanseats
>filthy hessians
>filthy osssies

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>>2887530

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>>2887063
Americans, up until the 1930s, believed population density brought rain. "The rain follows the plow" was a common saying at the turn of the century. They literally believed they could cultivate wherever they pleased, and sufficient rain would come. There were theories for why this was. Some said excessive noise and vibration activated clouds. Others contended it was part and parcel with manifest destiny, and god himself was to thank. We know now, of course, that they were just enjoying an unusually wet period, and when the western united states reverted into the dry, inhospitable wasteland it always was, the dust bowl set in.

>>2887063
Multiculturism

>>2887063

Equality

>>2888723
>i dislike communism therefore it is the worst thing to ever happen, ever

/his/ was a mistake

>>2890270

t. gommie

>>2887755
This entire question was already answered at the founding of the US you dumb fuck

>>2887949
voting isn't a right, cunt fuck

>>2890270
What man made event killed more than communism?

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>>2887722
>>2887723
The only one misunderstanding what he meant was you anon, that clearly says "women shouldn't vote"

Chinese Cultural Revolution

>>2887063
Communism

>>2890600
>Born into a society without any choice
>Have to contribute to that society
>Have to follow that society's rules
>For some reason don't get a say in how that society is run

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Democracy

>>2890939
>implying you have any say in how your "democratic" society is run
Unless you happen to be a politician in office, but that's unlikely.

>>2891098
That's what the vote is for you dope, you vote for the party that best represents your views. Then again you're probably american and stuck with a right wing party and a slightly less right wing party

>>2887665
>DUDE MEN AND WOMEN ARE THE EXACT SAME LMAO

>>2890939
>>Have to contribute to that society
says who

>>2887753
The Peredvishniki

>>2887063
Monarchism

>>2887440

Wrong, the industrial revolution was largely in textiles and not dependent on coal or large scale iron mining until the 19th century. The Greeks and Romans had massive amphorae factories to satisfy demand for wine. It is not a terrific leap from there to scaling up hydro or wind powered textile production. And you are also wrong about the lack of metallurgical ability, the antykthera mechanism proves a level of sophistication not seen in Europe until the Babbage device.

Actually you see to be the one falling for memes here. You have this fixation on the very tail end of the technological revolution.

>>2887592
>Circumcision for americans
Cue the butthurt Americans
t. American who isn't eating from the trashcan of ideology

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>>2887741
>>2887753
*resolves your diminished seventh*

>>2890615
WWII

>>2891848
This tbqh, how someone actually convinced the masses they had a mandate from god to rule over them I'll never know

>>2887063
Horticulture and agriculture.

>>2887063
Treaty of Westphalia

>>2887748
I think autists should not be allowed to vote.