> listen to parents > follow the rules Wow! So deep and

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>know your opponent and know yourself
Wow! So deepful. Who could guess such things without you, Mr Sun Tzu?

>>2866013
>>2866049
Maybe these things only seem obvious now because people really didn't know back then.

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>if you grow up in a cave, and then leave the cave, people will think you're weird
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Plato?

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>>2866073
yeah nobody ever listened to their parents before confused-icus came along.
what would we do without him.

>>2866013
>>2866049
An important figure has more influence than a nobody. It's simple sayings, yet do people really follow it? Look outside and you will still see people doing the exact opposite despite what these figures or mommy and daddy say.

>>2866092
Maybe they fucking didn't? Maybe as soon as they were big enough to kick their dads ass they did so and fucked off to do whatever they wanted.

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>learn to share
Wow! So deepful. Who could guess such things without you, Marx?

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>beta male dweebs deserve their misery
Holy fucking shit what marvelous insight!

The important thing is to always be the first person to write down something, even if it is glaringly obvious.

>>2866092
>before Confucius
bunch of murderhobos killing each other

>after Confucius
empire that lasted thousands and thousands of years

FACT: if Rome had Confucius their empire would still be around

>>2866194
China's lasting Empire is mainly due to its positioning.

Most of it is bordered by sea or desert, leaving only the Plains people and various other small states to rival it.

>>2866092
They really didn't. People have to be taught to obey their parents.

>>2866194
but Rome is still around, it's the capital of Italy

>>2866221
>We wuz Romanz et Merda

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>dude gravity
Wow! So insightful.

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>don't be racist
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Dr. King?

>>2866194
Rome, like much of the west, had primogeniture, psuedo-ancestor worship, and other family oriented institutions...every heard the phrase "pater familias"?

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>nothing is more to me than myself
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Stirner?

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>things are therefore something must have made it be
Bravo, Aquinas! How long did it take you?

>>2866235
>just gravity
yes because deducting the law of gravitation and from that the three laws of motion is as easy as stating that one should not think independently like Concucksius said, right?

>>2866289
Like many radical philosophers and political scientists, he was a NEET.

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>true wisdom is admitting your ignorance
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Socrates?

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>da da da dum
Bravo, Beethoven! How long did it take you?

>>2866359
>stuff doesn't move unless it's moved
>heavy things are harder to move
>when you hit something, you also feel a force
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Newton?

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>>2866073
>Maybe these things only seem obvious now because people really didn't know back then.

Perhaps for chinks, but basic common sense is a must in European Antiquity. If Julius Caesar read the art of war by sun tsu he would probably laugh and think it was training for 8 year old commanders.

>>2866406
>basic common sense is a must in European Antiquity
Yeah, sure.

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>stay chill and follow the rules
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Aurelius?

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>>2866218
>>2866218
well gee whizz where would us westerners be if we never came upon the teachings of some old slope

Stop posting NEETS

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>True happiness lies in the senses, and virtue gratifies none of them

Gee wiz Sade, surely that """observation""" was worth going to jail over

>>2866013
Had you followed those teachings, where would you be?

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good thread

>>2866092
>everybody always murderraped all the time, until one day a smart person gave them a law.
No, that's not why it is there.

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>>2866013
>dude reality
>also the city, man
Oh wow, this is truly groundbreaking, where did you get such wisdom, Aristotle?

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>women suck
My God, truly insightful and revolutionary!

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>things are like other things
By Zeus, Homer, this is the genius of the west!

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>you want to fuck your mom
Genius. Pure genius.

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>I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
>Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
>I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
>But is there because he's a victim of the times

Deep dude

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>>2866013
>you learn from your senses.
Genius! Wow! who would have thought. Truly the greatest philosopher.

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>>2866342
>we can measure shapes and shit

Thanks Eucllid. Real groundbreaking stuff.

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>people say you know, multicultural capitalism and X is good and minority rights and sexism but I say NO! in fact, my radical position is Y....X is so stupid you know it is boring i think Y is true because xyz and pop culture and so on
Holy smokes how profound!

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>don't be a judgemental a-hole

Blessed be the Lord! Truly the mind of God himself, who would we be without you, o Lord Almighty?

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>can't no nuffin

Stop! Stop! Cease philosophizing immediately! Mr. Hume here has finished all of philosophy! What an awe inspiring moment, what can our offspring possibly do to surpass us?

>>2866568
Political correctness is the most perfidious form of racism, in order to truly not be racist, you have to be comfortable with calling your black friend a nigger with not a drop of malicious intent.

>>2866427
Probably worse off.

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>>2866623
yeah buddy, confucius was totally like, highly regarded and widespread in europe in the 15th century

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>Thou shalt not kill

Wow, never could have figured that one out without you God

>>2866013
>iq doesn't exist
>all humans are genetically identical
>genetics caused intelligence increases for 200k years of human evolution but suddenly stopped at the precise moment humans diverged
wow! so deep. What would we do without you, western civilization?!

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>If Happiness is a Goddess, then why should any other Goddess be worshipped? Checkmate Pagans!

St.Augustine...holy...I want more.

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>>2866211
>China's lasting Empire is mainly due to its positioning.
No.jpg.

For starters, Qin Shi Huang had to hammer these people into submission. And they saw themselves as possessing of common culture yet still diverse.

In addition, if we're talking Geography, then China proper alone wouldve divided the Chinks numerous times over after the few dynasties. I mean, look at this shit:
>Northern Plains.
>South of the Yangtze.
>Sichuan river basin.
While it did divide itself into that (the famous Three Kingdoms), the meme to reunify the empire was pretty damn strong.

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>to be the man, you gotta beat the man
Woo! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Nature Boy Ric Flair?

>>2866629
>yeah buddy, confucius was totally like, highly regarded and widespread in europe in the 15th century
he wasn't
you know what was?
fratricide and patricide

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>>2866663
>hey pagans, if your god are so tough why did your women get raped by barbarians and your temples burned to the ground? checkmate heathens

1,587 years later and the burn's still hot

>>2866663
1. Did he just pull a burning heart out of the back of his head?
2. Did people actually wear that shit?

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>>2866013
>Pin your enemies down and flank them
Gee, thanks Alexander, sure was hard to figure out that one.

>>2866711
>fratricide and patricide
lol

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>>2866730
>Run at your enemies really fast

Yippee ki yay Adolph, you really are a special one aren't you

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>>2866384

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>Nothing can explain everything, I've done the math to prove it

Wow like learn to turn your brain off sometimes dude haha live a little one love bro

>>2866691
once you control the rivers, where like 90% of the population live along, then you're pretty golden desu

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>>2866764
...no? China's not Ancient Egypt. In addition those rivers - fuckhuge ones at that- branch to smaller rivers that run all over China.

It's particularly bad in Sichuan (hence the name: it means Riverlands) and south of the Yangtze.

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>Honour thy father and thy mother
>Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, G-d?

>an extensive body of philosophy badly summarised in a single sentence

Is this the fruit of the culture which considers having heard of something as being familiar with it and having skimmed the Wikipedia article about it as being an expert on it?

>>2866782
In terms of historical influence, the one-sentence summary version is usually all that matters. Also it's just a meme, lighten up you dumb fuck.

>>2866406
>muh yuropeean superhumen

>>2866723
Priests in Eastern Orthodox churches still wear that shit on special occasions, depending on their rank.

>>2866785
>In terms of historical influence, the one-sentence summary version is usually all that matters
'no'

The only sphere in which 'the one-sentence summary version is usually all that matters' is the sphere of pseudo-intellectualism populated by midwits desperate to signal their pretensions to being educated despite never having read any proper work on a topic.

If we are talking "influence": if there's any feedback towards the topics involved, it's a negative one, polluting discussion with caricatures of ideas and arguments.

It's the "& Humanities" version of Pop-Sci and just as moronic.

And I am perfectly aware this is a meme thread, but it's a perfect springboard for this observation. How many people making these jokes have more than a wikipedia-skim's knowledge on what they're talking about?

>>2866852
I'd say a majority.

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>>2866852
>tfw modern times & internet broke me
>tfw wiki-surf for hours at a time
>tfw no longer have the attention span to finish entire book
>tfw 29 and haven't read a whole book since school days

SEND HELP

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>>2866013
>Things fall down
Thanks Newton, we seriously dind't know.

>>2866771
>China's not Ancient Egypt

fuck you it might be

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>>2866904
It isn't. For one thing, it's China, not Egypt lololol.

But my point in that thread was control of the Yangzte/Huanghe isn't as existentially superduper vital as the Nile was to Ancient Egypt. Their whole fucking Kingdom just followed the damn river, living miles away from it was suicide.

Meanwhile, having control of Huang He and Yangtze means you have control of trade and communications, but you can still live miles away from the damn places.

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>Jews are bad and stuff
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Hitler?

>>2866857
>I'd say a majority.
You'd be utterly wrong. Just look at all the Stirner memesters.

>>2866916
He's just being an ebin trol xd

>>2866943
I misread, I thought he/you said how many people were ignorant of the matter they are memeing about

>>2866852
The only one I see desperate to signal their pretensions here is you.

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>>2866424
I can't stress this enough

>He lived in the 2nd century AD
>He was a Roman Emperor
>He was also a philosopher

He was a philosopher AND a fucking Roman Emperor, based Marcus Aurelius

>>2866976
Dude, that quote is just usual common sense. Only religious freaks can claim the opposite.

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>>2866987

let me say that again: he was a philosopher AND a fucking Roman Emperor

>>2867002
Why are you being so combative? I think you are underestimating people who lived around that time. I would say that he just kept a good diary and that the thoughts and ideas he recorded were commonplace.

>>2866359
>as stating that one should not think independently like Concucksius said, right?
When did he say this? Oh wait, you are a shitposter.

>>2866406
*burns witch*

>>2866764
?

There's three rivers 400-500km apart and two of them were mostly non-navigable before the modern era.

>>2866852
Although you are triggered, you are triggered for a good reason.

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>>2866013
>Hahaha Priest shits into the mouth of 9 year old girl while a young adonis with a large member ruins her tender womanhood like an amorous battering ram.
Wow! So deep and...actually, Marquis de Sade, that is fucked up.

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>you dont actually need all that shit
>FUCK everything
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, diogenes?

>>2867009
of course you can count hundreds of monarchs' philosophical thoughts and diaries throughout the millennia, right?

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>>2866013

>all human beings are united into one and only collective soul

Wow dude, this is so cool! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you, Fichte?

>>2867093
It's true, Taoism discovered it first though

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>>2866013

>Happiness is just that brief moment of hope between one sadness and another
>Humans are doomed to a destiny of boredom springing from the realization that life is meaningless

Holy shit, Leopardi, so deep and insightful, I just can't hold these feels!

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>don't eat beans
Amazing pythagoras, your wisdom will go down in history!

>>2866455
no, but everything involved in proving it most certainly was

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>duhrrrr fffbfffffflll
>

>>2866644
And now >>>/pol/ comes to spread their autism to a completely irrelevant thread.

>>2867150
Bitch that post is five hours old, at this point you're the one stirring shit by pointing it out.

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>dude like, you will always be wanting things doesn't matter how many things you already have. so stop wanting things.
>btw, everyone suffers

now that's an affirmation that only an enlightened one could think of.

>>2866258
Not the South

>>2866852
I like to think these threads are spoofing exactly that superficial knowledge.

>>2867171
t.b.h it is

>>2867171
Why can't I stop wanting things after I've acquired a few more things?

>>2866771
>China's not Ancient Egypt.
They wuz kangz. You can't tell me otherwise gwailo.

>>2867196
because you havent realised that getting things will never satisfy your want for more things

>>2867215
What if it does though?

>>2866013
>A good prince must outsmart the enemies, and also be able to be merciless in order not to soccumb. Prince who are too nice, will fail against the determination of evil.

Wow Machiavelli, this is sooo true. When did it come to your mind?

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>>2867273

>>2866542
why is that era of french philosophers so fucking cringy

foucault and sartre are super fedoras

>>2866092
Look at China and compare it with the West

Nobody never listened to his parent in the way the Chinese do before Confucius

>>2867215
It won't but it will make me more comfortable.

I could move into a barrel and give up wanting things.

Or I could save up for a house, move in, and THEN give up wanting things.

>>2866852
>You can learn things from books.

Thanks Anon we never knew!

>>2867287
*dies in poverty and irrelevance*
*also pretends he was ever relevant in the first place*

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>>2866710

>>2866778
In retrospect, he must've been pretty butthurt when Jesus went around teaching the opposite.

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>Ideas aren't real
>You don't have to follow them if you don't want to
Wow! So wicked and nihilistic! Who could guess such things without you, my property?

>>2866174
kek

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>>2866384
daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daaaa-da-dum. daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daaaa-da-dum. Dee, dee dee dee de-de dee dee dee de-de dee dee dee dee dum DAAA daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daa daaaaa da-dum.

>>2867199
shut the fuk off cumskin

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>I hate krauts who disagree with me but I hate other nations more

By Jove, a political genius! a tactician to rival... Cicero himself!

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>>2867196
>tfw you have a full thread of these memes and you still want more
Also
>Rome was influenced by Greece
Gee whiz Virgil, who'd a thunk it

>>2866640
the irony is christkeks truly believe they wouldn't figure it out if it didn't say so in da book

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>>2866013
>Stop being autists and learn a thing or two from smarter dudes living next door
This is fucking incredible, may we call you the Great?

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"ooga, fire make food good"

wooooow, no shit???

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>>2866013
>dont kill other people
Wow! So deep and insightful! Who could guess such things without you,God?

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>I HOPE THEY CANNOT SEEEEEEEEE
>THE POTENTIAL INSIDE MEEEEEEEE
>TO MURDER EVERYTHINGG
>I HOPE THEY CANNOT SEEEEEEEE
>I AM THE GREAT DESTROYER
>I AM DEEEAAAATTHHHH


Wow dude chill out man

>>2867715
Top kek

>>2867877
>jew admitting that he is the destroyer of worlds
wooooow, that really needed explaining, you really have enlightened us goyim, oppenheimer

>>2867389
kek

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>Stop being dicks
Oh wow! Thanks Gandhi, without you I would've never known.

I know Confucianism had good parts like the bureaucratic system i just felt it was kind of dumb in Joseon Korea. How they would always look to China. Would like to more about this topic

>>2866013
>subjugate yourself to authority
>never speak out
>never demand credit
>be a cuckold

fukin waitu piggu why our women no want us? ):<

You're the same guy who made that Nietzsche post, huh

>>2866852
Thanks for saying it

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>>2868706
>Confucianism
>Subjugate yourself to authority.
Lmao, Confucianism was social contract. If rulers don't do their shit, you're morally obligated to remind him to do so, or remove him if he continues his shit.

Meanwhile in Waito Piggu land.
>Muh Divine Right.
>Kings are never wrong :^)
>Prima Noctis.

>>2868696
Because Koreans (and Japan) thought; Confucianism = Everyone stays in their social ranks, and promptly class froze the whole of society.

>>2869478
give me one reliable account of prima noctis actually happening

>>2869486
Nah, just thew it in there to rile you.

It's just funny that Westerners claim East Asians are antlike in their devotion to authority when Japan and China overthrew more governments than France does.

This whole entire thread is autistic.
Die all of you

>>2867140
el ingenioso hidalgo

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>>2869675
*dies*

>>2866782
its called a joke you humorless autist

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>>2867171
>can't be unsatisfied if you don't want anything

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>I think
>Therefore
>I am

My goodness; Descartes, a once-in-a-millennium intellect!

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truly a mind for the ages

>>2867384
>>Or I could save up for a house, move in, and THEN give up wanting things.
found the 20yo guy who never owned a house.
once you acquire something, you acquire the problems of this thing too, no matter how hard you try to remove those problems

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>>2867479
nihilism is denying the reality, by projecting your fantasies on it.

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>The value of truth is merely a prejudice, in fact everything is: if you think that's a problem you're a retard.

That's actually pretty insightfuland nuanced, Nichee, tell me more!

>>2870258
Reality doesn't exist.

>>2870165
but what did he really mean by this?

>>2866406
>washing hands wasn't a common practice until the 20th century

kill yourself

>>2866211
>surrounded horse riding barbarians in the north
>surrounded by muslims on the west and south
>surrounded by jappos on the east

yeah okay

>>2866092
People don't really listen to their parents today, not as much as they in Confucius' time. In the US we have a "once you turn 18, you're on your own" attitude.

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>without freedom, we wouldn't be free

Simply groundbreaking stuff right there! Did it take you long?

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>If you don't set out to do anything, then nothing will be undone
Gee, thanks, I'll surely live by that wisdom

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>Kill the infidels, all women are whores

Suffering succotash, Muhammad! How'd you reckon that one partner?

>>2866013
according to one contemporary Confucian scholar, the Chinee needed to be taught loyalty, filial piety and the like from Confucius since they were (and largely still are, given half a chance) such a treacherous and impious race.

He then goes on to say the harsh laws of Islam were necessary since the Arabs were such savages that they needed them for improvement.

finally, he says the universal love preached by the Jesus godman was necessary for the most arrogant and spiteful of all, the white man.

>Chinaman don't know about the J00ish Question methinks...

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>>2867389

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>>2866455
The actual green text would be:
>Living for pleasure and pleasure alone will lead to a life of tragedy and misery for both yourself everyone around you. Lust is a tyranny.
Which is also rather obvious, but we tend to remember DeSade for exactly the opposite of what he was advocating to the degree where it's fucking spooky.

Though I suppose that's likely to happen when most of your stories consist of teaching of the dangers of the hedonistic treadmill through light porn.

Then again, we remember Nietzsche for being a nihilist, despite all his warnings of it being a perilous stage towards greater development that few men overcome, so, par for the course, I suppose, porn or not.

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>>2866976
>>2866987
>>2867002
Except that quote is fake, and the complete opposite of everything Marcus Aurelius believed in.
It was more fitting of the Epicureans, their ancient rivals.

>>2866361
He had jobs, he just wasn't successful at them.

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>>2866013
>dude like you can kill my physical form but you cannot kill my ideas since they have an abstract form XD
Sarmiento truly you are smart as you are beautiful.

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>bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthur
Absolutely incredible, thanks Joyce

Art of War is ok, but honestly it's pretty fucking vague and basic bitch shit. That other poster is right Caesar probably would have laughed at it for being a "how to be a leader for dummies" book. It's not even necessary to read if you already have a strategic mind, it reads like some stoner trying to sound smart saying obvious shit any experienced leader-or modern day strategy gamer- would already know.

>make the enemy think you're weak when you're strong and vice versa? Well no shit
>discipline and training are important? Well no shit
>predict your enemies moves and always take the initiative? Uh how to play a board game 101 Mr Tsu, when do we get to the smart quotes?
>it's better to win without fighting? Wow Mr. Tsu that's really fucking insightful
>utilize stealth and shock tactics? Wow Mr. Tsu who would have thought that big cats were actually onto something, really made me think
>strategy is more important than tactics? Holy fucking shit Tsu youre blowing my mind
>deception is important? Honestly Mr. Tsu just sounds like you're repeating yourself a lot at this point
>chaos is an opportunity? Yes chaos is an opportunity, do you have any more brilliant insight for me?
>long wars are bad? debt and civil strife and stuff? How could we know without you, grandmaster of strategy?

>>2870608
source?

>>2870381
>largest mountain range in the world as southern border
>some of the most insanely unpredictable waters in the world to their east, whirlpools, tsunamis, storms, all sorts of crazy shit
>massive plains followed by massive desert to their west before they find a worthy match to their civilization is size and power
>some of the harshest environments in the world to their north, only true threat is horsefuckers who inevitably get pushed back or assimilated because they can't replace Chinese infrastructure and society with their lack thereof

>>2871189
>make the enemy think you're weak when you're strong
Often its better to signal your superiority to prevent being dragged in useless wars
>discipline and training are important?
Thats why the chinese commies lost the civil war and the Korean War
>predict your enemies moves and always take the initiative?
Worked wonders in WW 1, huh
>it's better to win without fighting?
Ifyoufightthemtheenemywins.jpg
>utilize stealth and shock tactics?
Against entrenched positions? I dont think so-.
>strategy is more important than tactics?
Your best battle plans wont work if your tactics are shit. besides, we all know what wins wars-
>deception is important?
Can and will also often backfire.
>chaos is an opportunity?
The official motto of the Wehrmacht
>long wars are bad?
If you go for a war of attrition, it isnt.

Checkmate, sun

>>2871244
you're actually an idiot and let me explain why:

>Thats why the chinese commies lost the civil war and the Korean War

nothing to do with troop discipline.

>Worked wonders in WW 1, huh

it did actually, but you're probably one of those guys that think WW1 was nothing but trench warfare

>Against entrenched positions? I dont think so-.

they're called stormtrooper tactics, pioneered by the british in WW1. It's how you take an entrenched position. It set the stage for WW2.
>Your best battle plans wont work if your tactics are shit. besides, we all know what wins wars-

battle plans are still tactics, not strategy. You don't even know the difference stop posting

>Can and will also often backfire

only if it fails to deceive or is without tactical and strategy application, which means it was never true deception in the first place

>The official motto of the Wehrmacht

nice Reductio ad Hitlerum

>If you go for a war of attrition, it isnt.

even the winner of a war of attrition is a loser. Commanders prefer decisive victory and attrition is a last option.

dumbass. you might actually need the art of war

>>2870381
>implying horse riding barbs didn't take over at least two times
Yuan and Qing
>implying Japs were centralized enough to do organize anything outside their fief competently
>implying the muzzies were there for long or any of the preceding tribes had a reasonable route in
I guess maybe the White Huns but Persia was more attractive. Also Timur wouldn't have btfo China if he didn't die and his sons decided to take the easy route to India instead. In fact, now that I mention it India being almost as valuable and incalculably easier to conquer probably helped them out quite a bit.

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>>2867389
Best one

>>2867273
Please leave the inventor of the third level of irony alone.

>>2867215
ACTUALLY.

It is entirely possible to have so many things that you don't want anymore. If you have unlimited income and you don't at some point get tired of buying things you are usually consider to have a problem.

Even if they don't occupy space. I for example have so many games on Steam that I basically lost interest in almost all new videogames.

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>>2871606
>trying to convince us that you don't scroll through the entire list, close steam, and shitpost on 4chan, at most playing for an hour or so but less and less as the magic disappears

>>2867384
>Or I could save up for a house, move in, and THEN give up wanting things.
This is literally what he advocated after he got tired of starving himself under a tree, to be quite honest fampai.

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>>2871616
When I did that I used to buy a lot of games. It was when I actually started to play them that I stopped.

Nontheless, it was just an example of how there is indeed a limit to desire.

>werks 4 me(tm)

>it has to be complex to have value

>>2871110
I laughed. well meme'd, friend

new /his/ discord guys get in here
https://discord.gg/KUEeaEg

>>2866406
Common sense would be not going alone to a meeting with a bunch of politicians when you've just spent several years scaring the crap out of the aristocracy.

>>2871768
He wasn't going alone, his bodyguards betrayed him too.

>>2871868
one thing Caesar never understood was that it was better to be feared than loved once you already have power. Octavian understood this and went straight for the sulla approach, Caesar's desire to be loved got him killed

>>2871880
Can't say I wouldn't do the same.

>>2871880
I doubt this
Caesar knew full well the consequences of his actions
He just didn't know that the Senate would act completely irrationally

>>2871880
Caesar was really the last serious attempt at saving the Roman democratic system from within. His willingness to compromise was tied to a belief that all men were rational, good faith actors in the better interest of Rome, itself.

By murdering him, the conservatives proved authoritatively that they cared more about themselves than their country, that they were bad faith actors, and the country united against them, ran them out of town, and then hunted them down like dogs.

And then like trained dogs, Romans went right back to what they were previously doing: letting conservatives finish taking over their government. Only this time as a military dictatorship rather than as an oligarchy of landed elite

>>2871915
What was irrational about it? Removing Caesar was the right thing to do. And if he wouldn't go willingly, well...

>>2871868
Is this accurate? I've never heard of him being with bodyguards at the place of the assassination.

>>2871606
"Things" and the hedonist treadmill goes a little deeper than physical stuff - but I suppose this is part of the hazard of these one liners. There's plenty of miserable filthy rich people out there that just can't get enough of something, they just don't know what.

Though, on the other hand, it beats what another adherent to a related religion is quoted as saying, "There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread."

>>2872751
I will only agree if you count, say, "wanting less friends" as "wanting more solitude".

But that's debatable, because if you count removing things from your life as "wanting less stuff" then you are kind of cheating.

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>>2867140
>You will never read Charles II's romantic novels/ philosophical essays

>>2872811
Humans always want something they cannot have, that's in their nature. Buddhism attempts to teach a path to overcome that.

Granted, one could easily argue that's a counter-productive goal, but want is always going to involve suffering.

>>2866194
This kind of cancerous idealism has killed academic history in the west. An idea never kills an empire. Concrete changes do. Now, an idea might accompany the end of an empire, but I guarantee that said idea finds roots in real happenings of the era and did not appear out of nowhere.

Rome declined because of it's dependence on slavery and it's transition into using the villa system. Not even Confucius could save that trainwreck.

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>>2872887
Well, it's also not as if Rome didn't already have laws about impiety, parental obedience, and murder, nor was unaware of the hundreds of civilizations it was connected to that had the same, nor many of those that came before it that had them as well.

>>2866764
The coast has always been more densely populated.
The main importance of rivers was transporting goods (function largely superseded by the Grand Canal), and agriculture.

>>2872900
The celebrated legendary founder of the Roman Republic, Junius Brutus, had his sons executed for disobedience.

So yeah, I think they kinda had that one covered from the get-go. Didn't help.

>>2872144
>Removing Caesar was the right thing to do
>They don't remove his subordinates and basically all die
>Rome is plunged into another civil war between Caesar's survivors and any hope of a republican revival dies in Pompey's Theatre

I cry everytime.

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>>2867494
DUM. DUM. daaa da dummm da da da da dummm dum dum da da da da da daaa daaaaaaa dum da da da dadadadadadadumdumdumdumdadumdaaaaa

>>2866235
You idiot, he worked on the formula to predict where shit moves.

>>2873571
And then the 4th movement:
dum
dum
dum
da da da
da da da da da dum

>>2867273
>If you have to beat your enemies, beat them so bad they don't want to hit you back
Truly we were so unenlightened before you, o great Machiavelli

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>>2866049
>>2871189

Who of you did this?

>>2870676
I was saying that the quote is common sense, doesn't really matter who said it.

>>2866424
He was pretty much the ancient equivalent of rich chads saying to "just b urself bro have confidence haha"

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>We hold these truths to be sacred and un-deniable that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

That was beautiful Jeff...

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>ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

Bravo, Johnopolis! What will you do next?

>>2871189
Sun Zu didn't claim to invent these ideas, in fact he says frequently throughout his treatise that these are things skillful generals already know and do. He's basically saying "you want to know how me and other skilled generals win battles? This is how we do," so all the plebs who think he's a god of war can get some insight into how he thinks about things and approaches conflict.

>>2875763
well thats why we said Caesar would laugh at that, because he would see no need for some plebs to understand how to be a successful general. He believed that great men were backed by gods and it was their destiny to be great, he literally wouldn't understand why you would bother to explain to the masses information they would never need.

>>2868696
>Confucianism had good parts like the bureaucratic system
Bureaucratic system had roots in legalism. After the Qin dynasty, legalism was seen as negative due to its extreme punishments and Confucianism was promoted to essentially cover up the fact that the government was still running on legalism, only less harsh.

>>2870641
>Light
Sade's stuff was fucking brutal

>>2871189
>>2871244
Oh joy, more idiots who hates on Sunzi Bingfa in order to pretend he's smart.

First: the surname is Sun. The -zi (Wade-Giles: -tzu) suffix is an honorific, meaning roughly "master" in this context.

Second: Of course it sounds vague; it's written in Classical Chinese! The language is structured completely differently than English. Of course your English translations are going to sound weird.

Third: hating on Sunzi Bingfa hardly makes you special or new. Loads of successful Chinese Generals have dismissed studying it as unnecessary. Difference is that they were naturals who went on to win loads of battles, often coming up with those same principles outlined in Sunzi Bingfa independently, while guys like you are going on about how simplistic Sunzi Bingfa is to "naturals" such as yourself instead of leading battles.

Fourth: There are loads of legitimate criticisms of Sunzi Bingfa, one of the most common being that it actually only applies to certain types of wars. Many later Chinese Generals such as Huo Qubing disparaged it as useless because they ended up fighting completely different types of wars. But it is always telling that online critics like you never seem to use any of these sorts of criticisms, but instead go off on how "obvious" the principles in Sunzi Bingfa are to everyone.

>>2876179
>muh spelling
>muh translation
>I'm expected to lead battles in order to have a say on the subject

Your post is almost as vague as the art of war. Translation errors don't create vagueness, vagueness is inherent to the style of someone smugly laying down universal principles in a vague, generalized book that, as you've said, has been dismissed by anyone worth their salt as either obvious or not universal, which is not really surprising since nothing is really universal, not even newton's laws.

>There are loads of legitimate criticisms of Sunzi Bingfa, one of the most common being that it actually only applies to certain types of wars

I love how you glanced over actually having to give a real example with actual details because you yourself don't know shit. Go on, tell me the specific type of war you're talking about and which specific principle doesn't apply to which circumstance. I'm sure smarter people than you can do it, but I'm sure you yourself are talking out of your ass. It's one thing to say "this guy said this" it's another thing to actually understand that guy's reasoning; if you don't then the knowledge is meaningless. In any case, give me a specific example of something I've said that is wrong, contradict literally anything and I'd prefer that to this long, vague posts of implicated knowledge you didn't actually cite or apply critically into your own thoughts.

>>2876159
Well, light by /b/'s standards.

>>2876179
你有点自闭

>>2876179
Yep. If you read military history, one thing you realize is that the average general for most of history has been pretty much a retard, selected based on irrelevant peacetime performance or nepotism. It's not just that good generals are rare, it's that adequately competent generals are rare. People like that would actually benefit from studying the fundamentals.

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>>2870641
>the murderer rapist who wrote several books of porn about the joys of murder rape was really a puritan trying to warn people about the sin of lust

What elegance, what wit, what charm! I never would have thought of that one on my own

>>2866194
Nigga literally no dynasty existed more then 500 years

>FACT: if Rome had Confucius their empire would still be around
This is literally the most highly functioning autistic post I've ever seen.

>>2866194
>Had Confucius
>get OPIUMED

>>2877784
只有自閉會學文言文

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>divides the empire
What Can we do without this nigga around???

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>fuck you obey the rules
Wow! Very enlighteningg, Mr. Yang! This will truly drive civilization to prosperity.

>>2866483
>taking Schopenhauer seriously
Dude is like a dollar store Nietzsche

>>2866570
Wasn't his thing more "I'm fucking the son of God, ask me for forgiveness and you go to Heaven?

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>the Manchus are literal demons
Damn, I never thought about it like that

>>2866013
>listen to parents

The key Confucian value is being respectful and dutiful towards your parents, it doesn't mean doing whatever they say. The Analects says if your parents are in the wrong then you should tell them (respectfully).
事父母幾諫,見志不從,又敬不違,勞而不怨。

>follow the rules
This is totally wrong, Confucius' whole point is that a kind of virtue ethics is much preferable to rule based ethics.
道之以政,齊之以刑,民免而無恥;道之以德,齊之以禮,有恥且格。

>>2874918
>I was saying that the quote is common sense
Not really. It's wishy-washy bullshit.
For example, one could succesfully argue(like Aurelius, or that japanese guy that saved jews) that it's more important to do the right thing, my loved one's memory of me be damned.
>doesn't really matter who said it.
Of course it matters.
You have a ton of philosophical baggage that comes by pinning it to Aurelius.
For starters, "a good life" means in the stoic worldview "aligning yourself to the will of the Universe and God".

What does Anonymous mean by a good life?
Who knows.

p.s. you don't need to get into an argument about what the good life is, or how important social standing is.
I'm just saying a quote means way more than at first value, and involves an entire value system, especially when you pin it to someone.

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>>2866406
>basic common sense is a must in European Antiquity

>>2876493
>Translation errors don't create vagueness, vagueness is inherent to the style of someone smugly laying down universal principles in a vague, generalized book
Vagueness is created by the structure of Classical Chinese, which seems to take great pleasure in trying to say as much as possible in as few words as possible.

>>2877896
>Nigga literally no dynasty existed more then 500 years
literally what was the Zhou Dynasty

>>2866406
BEHOLD, A MAN