Why does everyone hate the Turks? I'm not saying I don't

Just like how some people hate the anglos, they are cunts.

>>2836896
>Why does everyone hate turks?
>I mean, I hate Turks...

The answer, anon, was in your heart all along.

>>2836906

It seems so natural to hate on the Eternal T*rk but I want to know why it is so

>>2836900

That was mostly jealousy though, nobody is jealous of inhabitants of London (aka Little Islamabad) nowadays

Every English-speaking Turk I've met on the web is a flaming hom- nationalist.

>>2836896
They're inbred retards.They cling to "Muh glorious powerful Ottoman Empire" as something to proud and prideful of, because they know their country is a shell of its former self, and that they're failures in the present.This is just part of it too.

>>2836896
Honestly speaking, it's a little impressive that for a single ethnicity the Turk's have managed to piss off literally everybody in Eurasia.

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>>2836896
Non westerner here, so I will give an outsider view
Muslim due to their extremism, doesn't fit in with western standard, yet there's quite something special about hate for Turks for Europe, like a deeply rooted historical grudge
The reason you hate Turks is also the reason why many old Asians hate westerners, because the intimidate you, oppress you, and colonialize you
The difference is, you're so used to be on the winning side, when people talk about their loss, you just dismiss them as ''might makes right''
The simple truth is, they just give you the taste of your own medicine

>>2836984
>The reason you hate Turks is also the reason why many old Asians hate westerners, because the intimidate you, oppress you, and colonialize you
Is this really a thing? I don't think anybody in my country does this bar uber-nationalists. It was more our fault for being so divided.
And
>intimidate
Lol

>>2836996
yes my english is bad
Where do you come from?

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>>2836896

Because they've tried to destroy (or, if you prefer, take control) of Europe for the longest time ever. Admittedly, I don't know why an Irishman would hate them, or any other person that's so far West; but I can definitely see why a Romanian or Hungarian might take a problem with them.

Adding to this is the fact that they destroyed the last remnant of the Roman Empire, and replaced Christianity with Islam. Not only that, but they've pretty much fucked over the Muslims too and pretty much appropriated Islam for their own ends for centuries in order to brutally exert control over the Arabs (and others). They were also far more keen on slavery than the Europeans ever have been (unless you're a nigger).

Lastly, they gave us nothing. I think that's the main problem. Whereas the cited bloodshed caused by plebeian Anglos caused a lot of turmoil, they also gave us much: works of literature, scientific discoveries, trade networks, etc. It's hard to think of a single Turkish/Ottoman invention or great work, despite the fact that they held so much sway for so long a time. Countries with only a few hundred thousands have more long-lasting intellectual achievements than the whole of the Turkic world.

Compare them to the go-to caliphates like the Umayyad and Abbasid.

So, it's a combination of being aggressors and oppressors, taking their identity from others (a religion from the Arabs and land from the Europeans) and offering nothing in return.

Lastly, they're just kind of fucking annoying. I've never met a Turk that didn't shove his or her politics down your throat. Whether they're for the Turkish government or against it, they're super vocal about it, and they're always trying to recruit others to their cause and take deep offense if you aren't interested in "saving" Turkey.

>>2836896
They ended the last remnants of Byzantines and made Constantinople a Turkish city

>>2837025
Plus they raped Europeans and gave all Balkan people with Turkish blood, but I guess Ottoman policies such as the Millet is great

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>>2836896
Because, like most of /his/ culture, it's a shitty /int/ meme that retards like >>2837025 start taking seriously.
I can't wait until we get some real janitors around here.

Because they occupy former Greek clay.

>>2837067

He's unironically right you filthy roach

What /his/ needs is flags, not janitors

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>>2836896
Because they are destructive and not in the slightest bit repentant about it. It's hard to not be jealous of that attitude sometimes.

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>>2837067

>hating turks
>a meme

t. an ignorant Americanski

Every single European nation hates Turks, and nearly all historians (including Turkish ones) give them a deserved shitting. Go and read any historical works Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Greece, Poland, etc. See how fond they are of Turks.

Or, fuck, read a history of the Ottoman Empire and then come here and make a comprehensive post about what there is NOT to hate about them.

I wish I could drop you in an Arab or east European city so you could proselytize about how indifferent people are about Turks and how hating them is just a meme. You deserve nothing less.

>>2837074
I'm going to give you the benifit of the doubt and assume you're trolling. We already have three boards that cater to your cancerous leaf, roach and poo in the loo memes, we don't need another.

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>>2837105

Why don't you provide arguments instead of using ad homines, you stupid black-haired commoner? Address the issues people bring up in this thread instead of crying and spouting fallacies.

Feigning superiority will get you fucking nowhere.

>>2836984
Where are you from?

>>2837025
What this guy said, basically. Turks contribute little to nothing, cause trouble, and act obnoxious about it when you confront them. People hate them for good reasons.

>>2837101
>>2837131
>ebin filenames
>reddit spacing
Are you enjoying the native "banter" good sirs?

>>2836896
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Because we're unstoppable.

These ""steppeniggers"" fought with China which is one of the oldest civilization. Then they went to west and caused fall of West Roman Empire (Huns). 500 year later they came again ( btw they are still fighting with China) and they destroyed fucking East(Seljuks and Ottomans) Roman Empire. Entire Roman Empire the father of Western civilization fell because of them. While they were doing these they destroyed Abbasid Caliphate which have Islamic Golden Age. After that they went and conquered Persia and India which even the Arab's at their peak couldn't get a firm hand around.Then they contiuned this as the Ottomans and conquered the cultural hub of the Christian worlds and then balkans.
Is there any other fucking nation that have a stability to will to obliterate humanity? The only times we ever lost was when we declined far away from our peak.

I'm proud to be turk and love how my existence triggers people from all around the globe. stay mad shitposters.

>>2837212

>being this obvious

>>2837212
>>because we're unstoppable
lol at this delusion. You got stopped more then once, roach. If Erdogan goes full retard you'll be stopped again.

>>we wuz mongols and huns an shiet
Is there no limit to your pathetic attempt to steal the "achievements" of other people even when those other people destroyed civilizations rather then built them?

>>we only lost when we was weak
Nice excuse used for and by every empire and nation in existence. Were you guys weak when the poles and austrians smacked you down in 1683?

Turkey is full of ancient archaeological treasures from gobleki tepe to the Greeks and the Romans. It gave us the Ionian Greek philosophers, the Capadocian fathers of the church. There's that underground city... None of these things were made by Turks. hey contributed nothing and are Muslim on top of that. The world would be better if they simply didn't exist.

>>2836896
Because on of the best leaders of the 20th century founded their country but then they threw all the principle he had established. Ataturk was wasted on those shit stains.

>>2837067
I hate Turks because of that one tripfaggot from a while back.

>>2836952
The funny thing is that the British do this too.

>>2837212

At least I'm not a fucking Muslim

>>2837185
This is the answer. No other answer needs to be given, that is sufficient justification and it has no expiration date.

>>2837212
>I am proud Turk
>t. Murat Yilmaz from Duisburg (Germany)

I think this thread again shows how butthurt /his/ is about turks in general.

Their entire history is just being huge assholes to everyone

>>2837212
Fuck off fucking Romanians scared you off with a fence

>>2837212
lol

>>2837185
This

Actually if anything I find Turks to be quite tragic.

They are Armenians and Greeks that have become slaves of Arab memes and now kill and hate their own kin and are hated in return.

Actually I find it incredible how they managed to genocide Greeks and Armenians without "friendly fire" since Armenians and Turks at least are physically indistinguishable.

>>2837212

WE WUZ MONGOLS, HUNS and AND SHIIET.

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I don't actually hate Turks, I just kinda respect Ataturk for what he did and I'm sad to watch them disregard his legacy and turn to religiously fueled imperialism once more, instead of building secular democratic society.
I have nothing against Turks historically, despite being a byzzaboo, they did nothing exceptionally wrong, well except maybe for the Armenian genocide, and it can easily be forgiven if only they admited it.

>>2837101

They are not just indifferent.

Egyptians and Gulf Arabs hate the Ottomans in the same way the Balkan people do. Despite all of this hardocre Muslim posturing by them if you were to ask them if they would like for the Turks to be back in charge they would say fuck no.

>>2836896
Turkish immigrants.

They pretended to be secularists leaning towards Europe while de-Christianizing the remains of the Christian Middle East.
Pretty much drove the Balkans into the divided peoples they are today.
Used NATO and the Cold War to their advantage despite not being truly Western.

>>2837840
They sure as hell aren't Asian, just a bunch of T*rks.

>>2836896
Because they're backwards Muslims that breed like rabbits. Not to mention they have a rightful European clay in their hands (still). They should all go back to Kazakhstan or wherver they came from.

>>2837855

I like that Arabs wouldn't even consider the possibility Turks could belong to them

Nobody can fucking stand them huh

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>>2837212
>>because we're unstoppable
Except when you try to conquer 2 backwater principalities north of the danube.

>>2836896

They're just a nasty bunch of mongrels that contributed nothing to humanity except death and destruction and have a very high opinion about themselves when in reality most of the world sees them a literal vermin

They're a small minded bunch pity them and keep calling them what they are cockroaches

>>2836917
>That was mostly jealousy though, nobody is jealous of inhabitants of London (aka Little Islamabad) nowadays
would rather live in london than istanbul tbph

>>2837889

Have fun with your Islamic dictatorship desu

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>>2837889
>roaches
>blue eyes
>light brown hair

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>>2837185
Oh yes baby

>>2836917
They destroyed the byzantine empire and genocided the armenians and homogenized balkan and anatolian cultures.

Also they are fiercely nationalistic and have a distorted view of reality

>>2836896
The Crimean war and the after effects of it.

>>2837925

>They destroyed the byzantine empire and genocided the armenians and homogenized balkan and anatolian cultures.


desu the same can be said about most european countries.

The Teutons genocided the Old Prussians and stole their identity for example. The same happened to latin america.

If anything we can conclude Abrahamic religions are on top of the religious food chain.

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>>2837962

>>2837918
Saved looks fucking nice.
Who drew it btw?

>>2837855
Original Turks were asians. What you see now are just mongrels from every area that was possesed by the Ottomans.

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No one likes kinslayers

>>2838030
Turks were already mixed when they assimilated the iranians in central asia.
And when the seljuks were trekking through iran itself they also mixed.
Basically being turk isn't about genetics.

>>2837212
>we
t. 20% percent Greek, 60% Albanian, 20% Armenian "Turk".
>we wuz mongols 'nd shiiiet we fought dem chinamen
Here's a (you).

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>>2836896
Someone said this the other day
It's perfect

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>>2838151
Yes now compare the contributions made by Europeans and those made by Turks

oh wait, Turks didn't contribute at all in this world other than ruining everything unlike Europeans who're the reason why you're posting on the internet right now

>>2836984
>they just give you the taste of your own medicine
Yeah I mean the Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, Kurds, Assyrians and Armenians were well known for conquering everything and slaughtering millions.

>>2838181
to be fair, the early Assyrians did some shit that would make even Vlad the Impaler feel repulsed

>>2838118
>implying Greek exists
We all know Greece is a Neo-identity with little connection to the past Greece, just like afghan tribes forming Persia

>>2838151
>bring modernisation to other countries.
>get pillaged by other countries slowing down modernisation
>>2838173
>muh pan European identity
M8 just do all catholic achievements

>>2838185
>implying they weren't scare stories built up over the years

I think its hilarious to see turks acting all like we conquered everything our ancestors are mongols who took the world, and when i look at them i see some brown skinned manlet who does not even look close to what a mongol looks like, all i see is the people whose ancestors got raped in the asshoke by the mongols and who forgot their own identity.

>>2838118
being a turk isn't related to blood. it's culture and history idiot

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>>2836896
Its just Euroshits being mad that they are getting BTFO. Don't even for an atom of a second feel sorry for them, the only reason modern Euroshits are ''Peaceful'' and ''Tolerant'' is because of the economic prosperity of the West and the fact that they are at the top. Take those two things out and they will be just as Violent and imperialist as they used to be. What is happening right in Europe is the West reaping what they have sowed in the Middle East.

>>2838257
>Take those two things out and they will be just as Violent and imperialist as they used to be
Good because that's a civilizations glory days.

>>2838319
>unconsolidated and turbulent times
>glory days
hmm

>>2838190
kek

>>2838257
t. butthurt sandnigger

>>2838351
>
Yes, anyone that dares to criticize Euroshits is a butthurt sand nigger. How insecure do you have to be?

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>>2838367
What exactly was your criticism? All you did was get butthurt at Europeans for raping the savages currently living in the Middle-East.

>>2837212
As a mongol, fuck off roach you killed Genghis Khans father.

>>2838469
My criticism is that Euroshits are hypocrites that like to bitch and moan about being ''Raped'' while in the same time, like to brag about how they raped the Middle East. The ''Savages'' from the Middle East are doing nothing more than what the Euroshits have done to them.

>>2838487
I still I have no idea what your problem is.
Roaches lost WW1 and the Middle-East was divided between the brits and frogs. What the fuck does that have to do with modern Europeans complaining about illegal migrants (mostly from africa) being let into Europe thanks to incompetent leaders?

>>2838487
Nigger the ME has been waging war against Europe since 6th century AD when the Arabs broke out. And even if you want to be more technical it all began when Persia invaded Greece in the 5th century. So basically Middle easterners were the ones who began this conflict.

>>2838506
> the Middle-East was divided between the brits and frogs
Exactly. Euroshits brag about how they turned the Middle East into a Chess Board and have the gall to act surprised when the people that come from the Middle East have nothing but Utter Contempt for them.
>>2838508
Except that's not the argument that comes from Euroshits. There entire justification is literally ''Might makes Right'', well Might makes Right eh? then don't act surprised when that's the only reply you will get from Middle Easterners while they are outbreeding you in Europe.

>>2838558
You live in a fantasy world. Nobody in this thread has never said ''might makes right'' and the only people who say that shit irl are dumbass alt-righters who nobody outside of /pol/ takes seriously.
Calm your sandnigger ass.

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>>2836896
basically it is because we did to europeans what europeans do to other people and their plans of revenge(genocide) after ww1 were thwarted by the turkish army
it is a thousand year old butthurt story that no amount of cream can solve

>>2838681
Man as a Muslim Conservative i might dislike Ataturk for his Liberal Secularism, but damn do i respect the man so much. He is literally the only reason Turkey didn't end up like modern day Palestine. Man was based.

>>2838681
> basically it is because we did to europeans what europeans do to other people and their plans of revenge(genocide) after ww1
There's no evidence of the Allies wanting to genocide the turks although that would've been a great idea.
I mean, the Armenians and Greeks would've probably done some fucked-up shit if they won seeing as the roaches had no problem massacring their people.

>>2838713
>Allies wanting to genocide the turks
armenians and greeks were ethically cleansing the areas they took by burning down villages and killing the locals with the apparent consent of the allied powers

Mainly their own claiming to be europeans, which the are clearly not.

>>2838744
proof?

>>2838681
wow, the entire french and british military fought against ottoman empire?
I had no idea

>>2836896
In this board it mostly comes from:

1. Wannabe crusaders who probably have no experience with Turks themselves but hate them either because of general racism or "muh heritage". The Turks are the only Middle Eastern/North African people that have dealt with the Euros on even terms in the post Medieval era. This triggers them, especially the Turkish rejection of the WW1 Allies telling them to give up Istanbul and crushing of multiple attempts to take it from them.

2. Posters from the Balkans who are intensely nationalistic. This is particularly the case with Serbs. They don't like when people point out that they were loyal servants of the Ottomans for five hundred years after the Ottomans crushed them in war. This tends to be followed by "b-but we killed tons of Bosnian civilians in the 90s, Serbia b-best kebab remover...'

3. People who just hate all Muslims in general because of /pol/ infographics they read about refugees (ironic because Turkey is the only reason there's not an extra 2.5 million such refugees on their way to Europe).

>>2838744
Correct, what they were doing was completely justified and ethical.

>>2836896
Because they were nomadic muslim savages that conquered the Roman Empire and threaten the whole of Europe with their vast empire.
Basically they are the latest Persian to the West's Hellenes.

>>2838824
quoting from a previous thread on pol;
>In the Greek-Turkish War of 1919-1922 as soon the Greek army lands on Anatolia the local Greek and Armenian militias as well as the invading Greek army begin to execute a "systematic plan of destruction and extinction of the Muslim population"[1]. During this time period the crimes committed against Turks are many and often happened with the knowledge of the invading allied armies. I am sure you can follow the provided sources and find more about it yourself.
>As the Greek army lost to the Turkish Republican Army under the command of Mustafa Kemal, they broke and began a rout towards to the west. During their retreat the Greek army "..pursued a burned-earth policy and committed every known outrage against defenseless Turkish villagers in its path."[2]
>In west-Anatolia the Greeks burned down every town and village they could as they fled, leaving tens of thousands of Turks dead and hundreds of thousands homeless and starving.

>Toynbee, Arnold J (1922). The Western Question in Greece and Turkey: A Study in the Contact of Civilizations. (1)
>Fisher, Sydney Nettleton (1969), The Middle East: a History, New York: Alfred A Knopf (2)

Also picture somewhat related. This is often served as an evidence of Armenian Genocide but in reality it is a picture of butchered Turkish civilians in Kars, Subatan 1919[3]

*Turkish Archives’ATASE Archive: Directory of Genelkurmay Military History and Strategic Studies Archive, The photograph collection of WWI, Album No: 4, photograph No: 123) [3]

>>2838744

But that was rightful Greek clay, Greeks never wanted the whole of Turkey, just the Greek majority regions surrounding the Smyrna coastal area. It wasn't ethnic cleansing in the way Israel or the European American settlers did.

What the Turks DID do on Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks was actually ethnic cleansing/genocide.

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>>2838905
forgot the picture

>>2838838
British and French sent about 2 million troops against the Turks in WW1 and the French sent... somewhere in excess of 100,000 in the aftermath to Cilicia alone (while providing lots of surplus weaponry to the Greeks) when the Turks literally didn't have an army anymore. While the British and French were able to decapitate the borderline already dead Ottoman Empire after four years of warfare, all attempts to take land in what is now the modern Republic of Turkey failed, and their professional armies were repeatedly thrown back by the outnumbered barely equipped Turks.

>>2838909

That picture is from the Armenian genocide.

Turkish scum born liars.

>>2838917

The French and British did not fight in 1922 nor did they support the Greeks.

>>2838908
>But that was rightful Greek clay, Greeks never wanted the whole of Turkey, just the Greek majority regions surrounding the Smyrna coastal area.

They tried to conquer East Thrace, Istanbul, and most of the west Anatolian coast, all majority Turkish land. Because the Treaty of Sevres promised them at least East Thrace. If they just tried to take Greek-majority Smyrna and the territory encompassing modern day İzmir Province, they probably would have won the war. A major reason for their loss is that they got greedy and over extended themselves.

>>2838924
No one said the British and French were still fighting in 1922.

>>2838681
>outdated weapons
I didn't know Soviet weapons were outdated

>>2838877
There are a lot of Germand and Dutchmen here and we have every reason to dislike the T*rks.

>>2838966
if you seriously dislike the history of turkish people, because of some low class turkish immigrants, then you are pretty stupid

>fags associating modern turkey with ottomans
There's a reason why Ataturk tried so hard to destroy the Ottomans and replace their traditions with western ones. Blaming Turks today for shit they did with the Ottomans is like blaming Japs with their atrocities from the imperial era; it's retarded. Yes, Erdogan is trying to shit on all that but it should be said now that Turkey remains the only decent country in the Middle East and being asshurt about past shit won't do anything.

>>2838712
Implementing at least a superficial form of secularism would have saved the ME countries.

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>>2836896
Because Turks are alpha

>>2837413
Except the U.K. has a much higher standard of living and thanks to possession of nuclear weapons will always be relevant on the world stage.

>>2836896
Because of racism. I am white but Turks are great people and great immigrants, they also contribute a lot to the economy.

>>2838883
Armenian and pontic genocides best day of my life.

>>2838877
>that have dealt with the Euros on even terms in the post Medieval era.
Wew. Are you being serious?

>It's an another episode where anon thinks Turkishness is ethnicity and not national, linguistic and cultural identity
Jesus christ.

>*commit terrible crimes*
>"might might makes right!"
>*get BTFO'd by Middle Eastern empire"
>"b-but the turks were really mean..."

Because there were two "non white" great powers in the pre-WW2 modern era: Turkey and Japan; the latter had no real connection to Europe while the former conquered all of southeast Europe and won many wars with other European powers. And even in their dying dies, BTFO'd the Euros one last time to keep Istanbul. This triggers people.

>>2842152
>pre-WW2 modern era:
So about a gap of 30 years? Not much desu.

>>2842173
Early Modern and Late Modern are still modern.

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I think they were pretty cool

>ywn be a slave raider

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Because they are butthurt.

t. turk

>>2842222
Nice digits but they that's a Tatar in the pic. Ottos just paid Berbers and Tatars to attack euroshits.

>>2842144
But the Turks were the ones that were btfo? I don't get it?

>>2837212
WE

>>2841086
lol

You know I think I get why Turks come here. their roach flag gives them away in pol/ and /int/

>>2838681
>kurdish military

kurds fought on turkic side. guess where came the cavalry that outperformed greek cavalry.

>>2842152
>only russia gave a shit about the straits
>entente decide it's not worth keeping and give it for roaches
>'btfo'
Lmao don't kid yourself Mehmet

>>2836896
Non-shitpost opinion aside: I view "cockroach" calling of Turks incredibly pathetic.

Online, they're usually done by Balkanites who literally did fuck-anything in history.

In addition if the Turks were cockroaches, then what does that make them?

Throughout their history they've done nothing but take and/or destroy. They have no artistic sensibilities or moral nuance. Theyve had no Cyruses nor Ciceros and even their greatest stronk conqueror had the emotional depth of a pebble.

They're neither good Muslims nor good secularists. They can't decide whether they're oriental or occidental. They have the maturity level of a toddler who can't admit he stuck his hand in the cookie jar with regards to the Armenians.

Basically
OOGA BOOGA EVET EFENDI WHERE DA WHYTE WIMMIN AT

>>2842907
Iranian here.

My people have done a bit more than fuck all and Turks are still cockroaches.

Fuck off, Mehmet.

>>2842871
The 'Deus vult / muh Constantinople' crowds and butthurt Balkan fags prove otherwise

>>2842907
>Greece has done fuck anything in history

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>>2842915
>>2842918
I know it's reddit but I think taking over your ethnic group's doings as if they are your accomplishments is pathetic

It's also hypocritical. You say you had no involvement when your ethnic group did something bad but start bragging when they do something notable.

>>2842926
Where did I say I personally have a share in the glory? I said I belong to the same people who have accomplished much. I don't take personal credit for it or assume it intrinsically makes me better. It's just a fact.

And FYI I own up to the Khomeini as much as I do Cyrus. They were both Iranian and both part of our history.

And by that same logic the fact that a Balkan is the one calling a Turk a roach is irrelevant. Which was my point anyway.

>>2838909
>If you pretend that this picture of genocided Armenians actually depicts dead Turks, then it was actually us who suffered!
There's no reason to believe anything that comes out of Turkey (or even Turks desu) when it comes to that topic. Saying the genocide happened is literally illegal, top fucking Kek.

I don't get how Turks simultaneously say that might makes right so that they are awesome because they can subjugate others while also claiming the status of the eternally persecuted victim. Pick one or the other guys.

>>2842894
>entente decide it's not worth keeping

Is that why they sent half a million troops to GallipolIi with the intent of pushing to Istanbul?

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>>2842940
>I don't take personal credit for it or assume it intrinsically makes me better.

Let's be real here, you do. Also not the guy you were replying to.

>>2842943
>Saying the genocide happened is literally illegal

It's complicated, that law is mostly used to shit on leftist cucks the government doesn't like. You can find endless literature that argues for or against the matter. In contrast, saying it wasn't a genocide is illegal in Europe.

>There's no reason to believe anything that comes out of Turkey (or even Turks desu) when it comes to that topic.

You can believe anyone you like, just don't be surprised when they don't concede and accept your point of view.

>I don't get how Turks simultaneously say that might makes right so that they are awesome because they can subjugate others while also claiming the status of the eternally persecuted victim. Pick one or the other guys.

Turks have different opinions on things.

Because they conquered Southeast Europe and BTFO'd various other European powers in various wars. Examples include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman–Venetian_Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_Varna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Ottoman_War_(1672–76)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919–1922)

>>2842961
I didn't know cockroaches could type. Do you jump from key to key or is it a collective effort?

>>2842961
It's not complicated, it's literally punishable by jail time to accept a genocide happened. If you think you can have any honest research in that environment, you're fucking delusional. What you say about it being illegal to deny it in parts of Europe is completely irrelevant.

>>2842969
>conquered what was at that point a backwater

Gee guys America sure is stronk for conquering Native land.

I also like how you left out the centuries of military and economic decline. The only reason Europe didn't bother with knocking them out for good was that their position as the mediator of West-East trade routes was rendered obsolete by sea trade.

Why bother? Turks: Eternal Irrelevancy until they picked the wrong side in a war.

>>2842981
Yeah the Roman Empire was a total backwater guyz.

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>>2842970
>

>>2842971
How is it irrelevant? I can literally google "Armenian genocide" in Turkish and get all the arguments for or against it. As I said, the law is only used when some upstart leftists thinks he can make a show out of it.

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All this butthurt

>>2842981
>The only reason Europe didn't bother with knocking them out

"Europe" isn't a political entity you fucking imbecile. The Ottoman Empire was just one more great power. There were various coalitions on its side and against it. Like every other great power.

Most conquerors persecute and repress their conquested lands. Such is the way of things. Eventually they ease up (see Arabs and Mongols and even Europeans).

Turks were the only ones to maintain constant repression and brutalisation for their entire dominance.

And now they play the eternal victim. Fucking pathetic.

>>2842983
By the 15th century? Unfortunately yes.

>>2842986
>I-I can google shit in Turkish!
>being this fucking dense
>Missing the point this hard
That's it, I'm done here. No point talking to a pure shitposter.

>>2836896

They destroyed and corrupted everything they came in contact with

>>2843002
>when I rearrange his argument I'm right

fuck off

>>2842891

The kurds did most of the killings out in the east anyways. The Turks just take credit for what they did

THEY TOOK CONSTANTINOPLE AND BTFO OUR ANCESTORS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO, EVERYONE IS OVER IT OF COURSE BUT NOW WE WEEABOOS MUST HATE THEM ON THE INTERNET FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON

or something like that, l don't really know

>>2838173
ottomans were known not to murder the entire city, instead they would just pamper the inhabitants and try to make them happy

>>2836896
I was playing eu4 and couldn't get basileus achievement because of those smelly, filthy, barbaric, utterly disgusting roaches
t*rkey should be glassed

>>2837065
It's the other way around. Balkan people gave Turks their blood (a literal blood tax).
Tho Turks did have a leave a large cultural footprint, not a biological one.

>>2842950
You'll notice Russia was still in the war at that point. Russia was the only reason the entente gave a shit about Galipoli. what reason would they have for opening up the straits to a hostile Soviet Union?

turkey was done after the war: weak backwards army, disunity, no industry to speak of. If the Europeans really wanted to they could've imposed Sevres and there would be nothing you could do about it.

>>2836896
After WW2 a lot of turks migrated to Western Europe as temporary laborers to fill shortages in places that lost a lot of men. The people that came were the worst examples of human beings turkey had to offer, illiterate fundamentalist shitheads that didn't speak any of the local tongue. They also ended up staying even after the labor shortages were over because Turkey didn't want them back. This is why everyone hates turks, they're freeloading assholes who constantly shill for their homeland but refuse to go back when offered, refuse to integrate into society, and generally are smelly undesirable people. All the "muh Constantinople" history shit is just a meme to back up the modern reason.

same reasons as Britain and Russia
imperial bully that took everyone's clay. At least the ones above have ethnic brothers to vouch for them. Turkey is surrounded by people that in no way identify themselves as Turks at all.

>>2842989
>ottoman empire
>great power post Vienna
Lol only reason Ottomns collapse earlier is because Western Europe defended you from the Russian juggernaught at Crimea. not because they gave a shit about Turks mind you, but because they were scared of Russia getting too strong

>all this anus devestation
I didn't even know cockroaches had butts to get blasted

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>>2842917
What does that prove exactly? After Vienna, all the Ottomans did was regress and decline to the point they couldn't even defeat Balkanshit goatfuckers and regularly got their shit kicked in by the likes of fucking Italy.

Like another anon said the only reason they weren't destroyed sooner was because Britain didn't want Russia to control the eastern trade route.

>>2837837
Attaturks secular dream was always doomed to fail. He deserves incredible praise for setting it up to last as long as it did, but it could never last. Islam and democracy/human rights just aren't compatible. Islam will always eventually destroy the other.

>>2843735
>atta
get off this board

My family always had personal aggression towards them, my grandma lived in a poor part of town somewhere in Germany full of Turkish roaches and they'd always be mean as shit. Apparently one of them sicked a dog on my pregnant aunt.
If I had to take a guess as to why it'd probably stem back from the fact that they where nomadic well into 600 C.E., so a lot of early Islamic powers saw them as barbaric.

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>>2838033
>>2837814

It is indeed very tragic to think about, the Ottomans I can somewhat understand, since it was the first time since the Umayyads that Muslim world united. It was a muslim empire, not a "Turkish" empire.

Todays Turks when you view them you see not one with any asiatic or actual turkic features (pic related). Modern genetics prove that 90% of Turks are Greeks, Circassians, Slavs, Anatolians, Kurds and Armenians.

My theory is that Islam combined with the most idiotic and retarded Kemalist nationalist myths fucked their head. Kemal because he introduced the biggest myths of all, that all Muslims in Turkey were "Turks", and Islam because of inbreeding made them retarded and dysgenic, see:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15711682

What today exists as "Turkey" is a dying, completely failed and isolated country that has no reason to exist other than cause trouble for others. (which is why Russia and USA have kept them around for so long).

>>2842876
WUZ

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>>2836896
The reason why I dislike Turks is pretty simple, its their own understandment of their ethnicty. Turks think they are Turkic, like Kazakhs, Turkmens etc. But they get triggered when someone tells them the truth, that they are not Turkic. That they are Anatolians, Greeks, Armenians, Caucasians. Mixed together under Turkic reign hundreds of years ago. They act like everything, traditions, cuisine, culture, coming from the Middle East is their own, turkish. But it isnt, its the other way around.
Thats the reason why I hate them.

>>2842907
It's the neo-4chan 'culture', unfortunately. Literal kindergarten-tier shit is acceptable and encouraged here now.

>>2844501
Oh please, have you ever seen the sort of shit turks like to post on the internet? This is simply one of the few places where they get that shit thrown back in their stupid fucking faces.

>>2843821
>the Ottomans I can somewhat understand, since it was the first time since the Umayyads that Muslim world united. It was a muslim empire, not a "Turkish" empire.

This just isn't true. They didn't unite the all-important Muslim regions of Persia and Central Asia. And the populations of their most important regions were majority Christian.

>>2838173
>unlike Europeans who're the reason why you're posting on the internet

The Internet was invented by Murikans, fuck off Europoor.

>>2844936
Who built America, dummy

>>2837025
>Adding to this is the fact that they destroyed the last remnant of the Roman Empire, and replaced Christianity with Islam. Not only that, but they've pretty much fucked over the Muslims too and pretty much appropriated Islam for their own ends for centuries in order to brutally exert control over the Arabs (and others). They were also far more keen on slavery than the Europeans ever have been (unless you're a nigger).
Don't forget they act like they did everyone a massive fucking favour.
"Yeah, we fucked over everything, but hey, kidnapped children got good salaries and dental, so it's really a pretty sweet gig. Also, life under our boot involved less regional wars, or something."

>>2844997
Americans.

Euro we wuzzery is getting out of control, they fought a whole war to make sure you fuckers knew who was boss.

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>>2842891
nope, kurds were fighting against the turkish republican army during the turkish independence war and afterwards

picture related, where soldiers who were killed on the turkish sides were from in the turkish war of independence

>>2845027
And from who were these Americans descended from? And what language do they speak?

>>2838257
isn't what happened to the Middle east just reaping what they sowed, though? It's not like the Muslim world has any legs to stand on for moral superiority. ME is the one region more aggressive and prone to invasions that Europe.

>>2845054
>And from who were these Americans descended from

Doesn't matter. Euroshits can have their own cultures, they need to stop taking credit for other peoples' accomplishments.

>>2845023
It was true though the balkans had peace and those farm boys had career oppurtunities.

>>2845609
>It was true though the balkans had peace and those farm boys had career oppurtunities.
And 0 progress or infrastructure, I guess you can't win them all.

they are enemies of civilization, they take and destroy.

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>>2845589
>isn't what happened to the Middle east just reaping what they sowed, though?

Hilary outright admits in her leaked emails that the West fucked over Syria to make sure Israel is the only country in the region with nukes. Don't even delude yourself that the West isn't responsible for what is happening in the Middle East.
>ME is the one region more aggressive and prone to invasions that Europe.
BULLSHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT. The Middle East didn't colonize The Americas and Australia, and turn Africa into a piggy bank for western corporations.

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>>2845807
>2015
>Syrian civil war began in 2010

>the Arab world didn't rape Africa and India
>Syria in 2010 was a nuclear competitor to Israel

>>2836896
Mostly butthurt from reactionaries who idolise Byzantium and Constantinople.
Amusing how they only hate conquest when it's done to them.

>>2845822
>2015
>Syrian civil war began in 2010
Not an a argument. The time when the Syrian civil war started doesn't refute my point that the West have fucked over Syria to protect Israel.
>the Arab world didn't rape Africa and India
Yeah they didn't, the Mughals were Mongols, not Arabs.
>Syria in 2010 was a nuclear competitor to Israel
The nuclear competitor to Israel in 2010 was Iran, not Syria, but Syria was allied with Iran so the West fucked them over to protect Israel.

>>2845807
>That pic
Thank God Hitlery Cunton isn't president of America.

Well, for example, when their President comes to the US he sics his thugs on people exercising their right to protest.

It's not really a mystery why such behavior is frowned upon.

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>>2845826
Yep

>>2838024
Jose Daniel Cabrera Peña
https://www.artstation.com/artist/thrax

I'm surprised nobody did a Google search with the image, here's your link, sorry to keep you waiting.

>>2836896
It was an Islamic backward theocratic horde that put the Balkans and the Middle east back in the middle ages for 500 years without any industrialization, rampant feudalism, or agricultural progress.
All they did was destroy, exploit, and genocide. Every year dozens of balkan villages would be completely destroyed and many great architectural sights were destroyed or desicrated(Veliko Turnovo, Hagia Sofia, Serdika, etc.)

They didn't even have a fucking printing press until the 18th century.

Also:
>no ottoman composers
>no great ottoman scientists
>no ottoman administrative or economic innovations
>no ottoman writers(besides shitty islamic scholars)
>no great ottoman poets
>>2845609
>peace
Being raided by muslim slave raiders taking your women and boys and entire settlements being burnt to the ground isnt "peace"

>career opportunities
It was not an opportunity, it was a blood tax made to islamize christian populations, you shitty goatfucker
>>2843487

>>2846677
>It was an Islamic backward theocratic horde that put the Balkans and the Middle east back in the middle ages for 500 years without any industrialization, rampant feudalism, or agricultural progress.
All they did was destroy, exploit, and genocide. Every year dozens of balkan villages would be completely destroyed and many great architectural sights were destroyed or desicrated(Veliko Turnovo, Hagia Sofia, Serdika, etc.)

>They didn't even have a fucking printing press until the 18th century.
We are talking about the Turks, not the Ottoman empire you waste of sperm.

>>2846304
Russia never genociced entire populations for not converting to orthodoxy. They even let turkic people remain with their goatfucker religion, which then stabbed them in the back by having islamic terrorists from the caucasus and central Asia.

>>2846689
Turks created the Ottoman empire, you dumb westerner.

>>2846677
ottoman history is filled with great poets and late ottoman history is filled with great writers
even sultans themselves were poets ffs

>>2837097
This!

>>2837101
>See how fond they are of Turks.
LeL

Any non-turk being fond of turks... that is pure self-jerking fantasy... it's stupid!

>>2848365
I'd imagine Arabs are fond of Turks for fighting for the Islamic cause and taking Istanbul.

>>2848373
Alright - that could probably be accepted, of course if we do not include extremists like ISIS in the "Arab" circle.

>>2848074
So if Hitler would employ good poetry authors, all will be fine with 2nd WW, right?

>>2848397
Literally the only thing Hitler did wrong was unironically losing.

>>2841053
Beating women is the pre-historic type of ALPHA. When you want to win a fight over a banana, than this is the type of ALPHA you need. Otherwise, it is primitive, stupid and against intellectual integrity.

>>2848405
Right... I played a wrong card here. Hitler and turks were in really friendly relationship. So bringing him into this argument was not wise of me...

>>2848414
I don't give a toss about Turks, but the only difference between Hitler and the likes of Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar and Charlemagne was the fact that Hitler lost.

>>2846677
I forgot that these threads were filled with retarded balkaniggers.
Seriously why would the empire kill its taxpayers for no reason.
Raids were only done on foreign soil you faggot.

>>2848397
What does this have to do with hitler
I was only pointing out the mistakes in that post, which were many

>>2846463
No problem thanks anon.

>>2848460
t. roach

>>2843551
Why didn't they do it then nigger?

>>2846677
>>no ottoman composers
>>no great ottoman scientists
>>no ottoman administrative or economic innovations
>>no ottoman writers(besides shitty islamic scholars)
>>no great ottoman poets
>not being able to use google
60 miligram iq desu

>>2836896

Let's just look at 20th century.

>oppresses the Balkans in a series of wars
>enters WWI when the war was nearing a possible end, dragging out the war
>during the war, they commit THREE SEPARATE GENOCIDES THAT THEY DENY TO THIS DAY
>Attaturk "westernizes" the country by moving the capital from Europe to Asia
>he also allies with the Soviet Union between the wars
>during WWII, Turkey supported the Nazis economically
>after the war, they join NATO but don't lift a finger to help after the Korean War
>in the 70s they invaded Cyprus in a blatant neo-Ottoman attempt at power
>shamelessly profiteered during the Iran-Iraq War disregarding NATO's prerogative
>refused to participate in the Gulf War

>>2848636
>Attaturk "westernizes" the country by moving the capital from Europe to Asia
>he also allies with the Soviet Union between the wars
>refused to participate in the Gulf War
There is literally and unironically nothing wrong with this.

>>2848636

>shamelessly profiteered during the Iran-Iraq War disregarding NATO's prerogative

I wonder which other NATO country made profits off that war.

>>2848424
And the fact that Hitler lived in a more civilized time.

>>2848636
yep, and the list can just go on and on...

having respects towards turks is as natural as having respect towards cancer or hemorrhoids

>>2848649
Alright, those are not truly bad/evil points, but fill out the whole picture.
Actually Attaturk tried to bring turkey on more civilized tier/level, and KUDOS for that. But the turks didn't and still do not embrace the idea of racial/ideological/religious/human equality and open-mindless.
Even the Mongols did get it... only the turks still live in their ideological self-centered and self-loving bubble of ignorance.

>>2837866
Backstory?

>>2836896
Not sure, tbqh I find them a fascinating people. I'm from latin america so I don't know why all the hate but this guy >>2836984
seems to be correct at least from an outsiders point of view.

>>2844410
Pretty much this, they don't want to accept their history they are ok being hittite or ottoman but not roman or byzantine, that make no sense

>>2848992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_the_Middle_Ages