Let's talk about ancient fedoras. Who was the biggest and

>>2836037
If anything ancient Christians were contrarian fedoras

>>2836049
> imagine walking to a Roman official and telling him gods don't exist
> everyone is cringing and telling you to stop being an idiot and go away
> you scream autistically and keep denying the existence of gods
> poor officials have to waste their time to put you down

Gorgias.

epicurus was a sperg who got really triggered by plato

he was also jelly as fug of plato's writing skills

daily reminder Epicurus still believed in gods, just that they were uninterested in human affairs.

>>2836136
I'm still not clear why any gods would be.

>>2836037
Cato the Younger for sure
>Cato's political and personal differences with Caesar appear to date from this time. In a meeting of the Senate dedicated to the Catilina affair, Cato harshly reproached Caesar for reading personal messages while the senate was in session to discuss a matter of treason. Cato accused Caesar of involvement in the conspiracy and suggested that he was working on Catilina's behalf, which might explain Caesar's otherwise odd position—that the conspirators should receive no public hearing yet be shown clemency. Caesar offered it up to Cato to read. Cato took the paper from his hands and read it, discovering that it was a love letter from Caesar's mistress Servilia, Cato's half-sister.

>>2836161
Damn. Sucks to be Cato.

>>2836161
Didn't Caesar have a fit of tard like rage when Catalina was executed by Cicero

>>2836191
Caesar was by all accounts charismatic, sensible, and brilliant. However, he did have a shit fit because Cicero executed Roman citizens without a trial so he can proclaim himself as Savior as a Republic, not knowing what he had done. Cicero was honestly a bit of a fucking dweeb, like that one kid in your friend group who needs to gloat over how smart he is and everyone thinks he's a pompous asshole and asks each other why they hang out with him.

>>2836212
>There's proof that the conspirators were plotting to overthrow the government
>The majority of senators agree executing them to preserve the stability of the republic
>Caeser goes around yelling in the senate and causes a mass brawl

I'm gonna say Caeser spilled his spaghetti for his friend a Catalina.

>>2836249
You're not supposed to just up and execute Roman citizens without a trial. That's one of the key rights of a Roman citizen. It sets a dangerous precedent and basically means anyone can get killed by the Senate just because they piss them off.

>>2836259
The very existence of the City and of the Republic were at stake which most of the Senators realized. Executing the band of traitors was only logical.

>>2836272
So why not have a trial?

>>2836289
Because they were fucking traitors

>>2836300
Then it shouldn't be difficult to file those charges, prove their guilt, and have them thrown from the Tarpeian Rock then.

>>2836307
Then there's no point in a trial or advocating for a trial since they're already confirmed traitors worthy of death

>>2836318
Should the accused be afforded the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof to fall on the state, regardless of the charge?

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>>2836300
>>2836318
>why not have a trial?
>Because they were guilty lol

>>2836300
>>2836318
Are you literally retarded or what?

>>2838127
Are you fucking retarded?

>>2836318
>they're already confirmed traitors
I bet there was a fair confirmation and no man that wasn't a traitor wasn't executed because they thought carefully about who they labelled traitor oh wait.

>>2838141
see
>>2836509

>>2836272
If he truly was a threat to the republic then let him state his case to stop others usurping the republic thus preventing class divide