After reading Spengler it seems logical that indeed the enli

>>2792048
No shit

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>Like Caesar and the Emperors of Rome, it is natural for autocracy and strength to replace Democracy and it's weakness.
We are not living in a Democracy. We live in a Representative Democracy with never a Referendum, no permanent consultation of the People, and where we only get to elect the leader and the law-makers every 4 or 5 years. Most of the people want to limit immigration, but there are few governments who dare or care to do it. This is a farce of Democracy.

>>2792071
It is the inevitable result of democracy.

"There is no such thing, in fact, as democracy, that lovely but clinical-sounding word. There is only, in Spengler’s phrase, “radical democratic anarchy.” And that, “radical democratic anarchy,” is really only the disguise of “dictatorship.” Thus for Spengler, democracy so-called is the appearance while dictatorship is the substance of the state in dissolution."

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>he still hasn't taken the Evola pill

>>2792048
Read >2789945 and >>2789976

>After reading Spengler it seems logical

Ha.

>>2792048

>We have discarded our own culture and traditions, and now the outside ideas people and customs are taking over as they have no such self-defeating nihilism. The west has castrated itself, completely powerless and defenseless against the passioniste and power sequencing foreigners. Liberalism has opened the gates to barbarians so to speak, they have no love or care in the world for the west or the urban liberal intellectual's reason for welcoming of them. They laugh at the foolishness of the west as the gladly take the things it gives to them and push their own culture and traditions at it's expense.

Do you really believe that these foreigners - and their ideas and customs - are 'taking over' your country? Do you have any credible evidence of this happening? Is the UK turning into Saudi Arabia? Or the US into Somalia? Has the US Constitution been abandoned and replaced with the Quran and Hadith? The Magna Carta torn up and replaced with the collected works of Abu Hanifa?

Do you think it's too late to resolve the issues you've brought up with a sensible, controlled immigration and integration policy? Or is abandoning liberal democracy as we know it the only way to save Western civilisation?

What would you say to someone who suggests that pre-Enlightenment European values aren't all that different to the values and beliefs professed by the 'barbarians' you mentioned above? Wouldn't we be delivering unto ourselves the very thing we were trying to avoid?

>>2792048
Oh ye of little faith! Don't mistake a shedding of form for decline or destruction. Formalism for its own sake -- the preservation of postlapsarian human culture -- is true nihilism. There is no meaning in our sin, or the retention of our flesh. Our culture and traditions are still very much alive, just as Christ lives and breathes today -- that is the Christian tradition still implicit even in Enlightenment thinking. The way is narrow and few of us truly represent our Western culture. There are some of us far more advanced than others, who truly understand post-Enlightenment culture for what it is. The money traders are not that culture. The lawyers are not that culture. Material things are finite, and so is a system built on them. And the letter of the Word is like sand, and those things built on the letter will fall. But the Spirit remains true.

>>2792239
It's weird how people don't realise how nihilistic, hypersexualised, elitist the aristocracy were before bourgeois revolution. Literally an entire class of Stacys and Chads, with the rest of society built around supporting what can only be described in fair terms as 'degeneracy'. But hey we had some paintings to show for it.

>>2792255
Read de Maistre.

>>2792258
Sure, amongst countless other relevant primary sources to the Enlightenment.

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>>2792088
"Evola’s thought can be considered one of the most radical and consistent antiegalitarian, antiliberal, antidemocratic, and antipopular systems in the twentieth century."

holy shit

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>>2792625
Literally /his/:the guy
Anti everything contrarian to an unnecessary degree

>>2792088
>I should be kept as an aristocrat because shut up

Wow, what a guy!

>>2792721
/his/ is Kant and spegler combined into a unholy abomination

>>2792721
>In 1927, Reghini and Evola, along with other Italian esotericists, founded the Gruppo di Ur (the Ur Group). The purpose of this group was to attempt to bring the members' individual identities into such a superhuman state of power and awareness that they would be able to exert a magical influence on the world.

What kind of drugs was this guy doing?

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>>2792807
Evola in his later life

>>2792721
holy fuck that quote lmao

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>>2792721
It's funny how much Kant is up his own ass however you feel about niggers the negro had a great point.Women in politics is the single worst idea since the dawn of man and them having a say in anything is a sin against the human well being as well as singularity of nature itself.

>>2792721
Whoever wrote that in the 1700s isn't Evola.

>>2792721
This quote is literally the entirety of 4chan in 1700 east Prussia.Immanuel Kant for someone who writes in complete depth of rational is completely irrational here.Still funny

>>2792887
Immanuel Kant

>>2792048

It's an interesting criticism, but it provides no solution. What's the solution? To never dare question the world around you?

Also, don't confuse 18th century liberalism with today's post-modern socialist left. Classical liberalism is now considered tradition, at least in the United States.

>>2792721
>>2792625
>>2792088
>>2792751
>>2792807
>>2792817
>>2792837
>>2792899

Evola wrote some shit, but the underpinnings of his thought are absolutely incredible. He was a researcher rather than a philosopher at core, and his knowledge of the classics was phenomenal. He is the first scholar I'm aware of to point out in any real sense that our view of rome in respect to it's institutions is warped, and the first to point out that the romans weren't essentially enlightenment romantics in togas, and that their culture was defined by mysticism and religion as much as anything else - something found today in Life of a Collosus.

While I don't agree with his whole 'lol ride the tiger, lol magic' stuff, his identification of the enlightenment's preoccupation with 'progress' as something that has polluted thought ever since is fascinating. His idea of 'organic' societies - ie. ones which arise naturally, rather than ones predicated on revolutions and essentially gigantic experiments in ruling - is likewise amazing. Even if you're simply interested in history, you should read him as he not only gives a very reasoned defence of pre-enlightenment government but also really does get into the mindset of classical civilisation in a truly unique way. There's a certain quotient of romanticism about race, but overall Evola's view of 'race' is essentially culture - he gives every race an equal ability to advance or degenerate.

He honestly is one of the most misunderstood philosophers/scholars I've ever read.

>>2792912
>Also, don't confuse 18th century liberalism with today's post-modern socialist left. Classical liberalism is now considered tradition, at least in the United States.
>Libertarian detected
They are one in the same, the only difference between the two is time. United States is absolutely contemptible, rejecting the rightful aristocratic nature of Europe. It's the triumph of materialism and money over tradition and culture.

>>2792941

libertarianism =! classical liberalism

>>2792974
It literally is, it's an attempt to go back to it's beginning after they've seen what has resulted in it's natural conclusion without the realization of this fact that it itself is the problem.

>>2792984

>marxist detected

Libertarianism

Classical liberalism is the work in its purest form, ie. freedom of speech, right to property, etc. Specifically, Lockean liberalism.

Whereas, libertarianism is based on the works of Hayek, Mises, etc., and more of a right-wing political faction and party than it is a set of ideals that still function as the roots of an effective governing body still just as fruitful and relevant today.

Please don't conflate the two, comrade.

(Careful to not get cut on my edges)
Democracy is only natural. Man wamts power over the state. In a monarchy 90% of the people have no power. This allows the state(the monarch in the age of absolutism) to take decision which harm the people and cause unrest, eventually leading to a revolution.
Democracy, on paper, allows every man to take part in the government, effectively ruling a state how it's people will. However in our type of democracy too many people are represented by too few. In the Greek democracy 1 man represented 10, which means that every man can ask his representative for something, maybe a new law. Try calling your representative nowadays and you will most likely get a "fuck off".

>>2792928
Having studied genetic for 3 years in a country where there is no political correctness, race does not exist in biological terms. But culture? Yes, some cultures are superior to others.

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>>2793192

>Having studied genetic for 3 years in a country where there is no political correctness, race does not exist in biological terms.

Race and bone marrow transplants. Couldn't be an issue if race didn't exist.

https://archive.is/LgI6Z

https://archive.is/gTHr

https://archive.is/lCSux

https://archive.is/7n3dZ

https://archive.is/5f4Jf

>>2793208

Yeah, we went over similar things over the years, it is a fluke. Not real indicator of a race in pure biological terms. Btw, you are not talking to SJW American, I am from more like opposite country.

>>2793009
Gods your a moron I'm OP. Spengler's cycle of civilization is not the same as Marx's dialectical materialism you idiot.

>>2793224

Race exists, how can you actually think otherwise. Show me your thesis, I'm calling bullshit.

>>2793236
Burden of proof is upon you, for you claim that races exists. That picture, upon closer inspection, has more to do with culture than genetics.

Once again, some cultures are superior to others, that I do admit.

>>2793247

>That picture, upon closer inspection, has more to do with culture than genetics.

Guess how I know you didn't view it at all. It even cites the journals it references, you're a dumbass or a troll.

>>2793255
It talks about wage gaps, literacy rates and similar things. That has nothing to do with genetics.

>>2793070
>Democracy is only natural. Man wamts power over the state.
how come Democracy is at its 200 years mark and is already tearing itself apart while monarchic-like dynasties have ruled uninterrupted for thousands of years?

>>2793268

Human bio-diversity.

http://humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

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>>2792048
>the enlightenment with it's never ceasing pursuit of "liberty" and "equality" is the true reason for the decline of the west
Yeah.

We should have all stayed stupid retarded dirt farming serfs starving to death or slaving away in factories and tenement buildings 10 to a fucking room.

That nasty fucking enlightenment, making the common people think they were worth something.

It was all a lot fucking easier when this trash knew their fucking place.

Like just STFU. Go to your job. Stop fucking thinking. Pay your taxes. Watch the TV. STFU with this 'liberty' and 'equality' bullshit.

Just STFU and be a good slave, right OP?

>>2793277
No offense, but site filled with terms such as red pill, cultural marxism is rather hard to take seriously. Now you will call me a cuck or sjw. Do you have any reputable source that is not filled with such crap?

>>2793292

The website is literally hyperlinked to academic journals citing the effects of genotypes and their phenotype expression being formed through the process of evolution and differing environments, neurological studies etc. You are either a troll, or again, a dumbass. Professional moron or gifted amateur, which one is it because you seem to think I'm arguing we're a different species and not a different sub-species.

>>2793292

We can also use forensic science to determine what race someone was post mortem.

Fair enough, I will take a look and read some of those links. That will take a while though.

Now honest question, if we as mankind are truly a collection of sub-species, then what? Do we go on another war to purge inferior sub-species? I for example believe that American culture and American pathos is among the most inferior in the world, should I desire death upon Americans then?

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>>2793229

>he thinks its OP
>he thinks Ghostbusters has any relevancy to this topic

>>2793331

We create dialogue on where to take it, I don't want to fucking erase other races I just want to be left alone to prosper with my own.

>>2793341
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>2793192
I'm a race scientist from /pol/ and what you say is wrong.

>>2793341
Are you in any way shape or form fucking retarded?

>>2793192
Race in the sense that many people seem to think of it, like dog breeds, doesn't exist. But is it not true that due to the way people tend to associate with others like them (not just whites with whites and blacks with blacks, but also Irish with Irish and Jews with Jews), that certain traits are found consistently strong in some populations and consistently weak in others?

How do you explain, say, the difference in average height between individuals of Asiatic and those of African descent? How do you explain that it's practically unheard of for a white person to win an Olympic running event, or for a black person to win an Olympic swimming event?

>>2793351
>>2793397

>being this new

>>2793436
>being this dull

>>2793436
He used the meme wrong so he's safely accused of being a retard like yourself