If all of his sons had lived, would Charlemagne have passed on

>>2790322
Symbolic/forced/one time deal.

Though the title of Rome was not passed the significance of the Pope crowning the Emperor of the HRE symbolically carried up into the late 16th century.

>>2790460
Just think... if only he took up that sword he was holding and cut down the pope right then and therr and crowned himself emperor of christendom. So much would have gone right.

Yeah it was just a matter of prestige, if didn't actually mean anything

>>2790593
yep, then the catholic church would've collapsed under its own weight before the rest of europe could be polluted by christianity

>>2790632
Weird how Christianity flourished in Europe and Islam did not... makes you wonder

>>2790628
Wouldn't say "anything" for a while the HRE centered itself around the politics of the Church and the Church believed in a Empire that would eventually unite Christendom. Though this happened many attempts were made and many times the HRE came close to controlling much of Europe.

>>2790647
>Weird how Christianity flourished in Europe and Islam did not
I'm sure Islam would have if the Arab/Muslim advance and conquest wasn't stopped or checked at Tours. Imagine hypothetically speaking, the Muslims hold all of France, Spain, and Portugal for 1000 more years, do you think they would've remained Christian?

Signs point to it not being so.

>>2790632

*Tips fedora*

>>2790715

What signs? Christians remained in the Turk empire for centuries, look at the Balkans, and they stuck to it.

>>2790759
Turks never actively actually attempted to convert subject populations to Islam, anon, unlike the Arabs.

>>2790715
>do you think they would've remained Christian?

If Tolerance remained as it did during the Cordoba Caliphate. Then yes. Though during the division of sunni and shia there was a strong push in Islamic Spain to rid the infidels. In our Hypothetical situation, This schism of sunno and shia of course would still happen. The difference however would be a possible split where the Caliphaye in Spain woukd Split off from the Islamic controlled Europe. Wars would start and a division of sunni and shia would still happen, only instead of just a divided middleeast, it would be a divided entirety of the Mediterranean. The Crusades obviously would never happen, but Christanity might still make some part of a comeback and conflicts would divide Europe even more as part of the Christian deffiance over their Islamic/Arab invaders regardless if the Muslims pushed all the way across Europe.

And for that matter of Christianity, there might possibly be a time where the Chruch would flee to the Byzantin Empire in seek of refuge from the creeping Islamic invaders. If that happened there there would be no Orthodox and Catholic schism and Christianity would Unite as one against Islam rallying behind the Byzantines.

In this Hypothetical history where Islam isnt stopped in France, Europe and the Mediterranean would be in utter Chaos for many more years. YES, tours did stop the advance of arabic intellectual culture, but it also seperated the two worlds and united Europe for the first time in 300 years. Though we know European Kingdoms would go on to fight one other for many uears to come, as apposed to a Europe where there is a constant conflict over Multiple Religions, Christian Europe is the more peaceful of the two circumstances.

A Europe divided by Religion is a Europe filled with war.

>>2790593
M8. Even if he was a king, at this point the Church held too much sway. The masses would never have supported the man who killed God's voice on earth

>>2790773
The arabs were pretty wishy washy about conversion
they wanted that sweet jizya tax

>>2790877
>Never have supported the man who killed God's voice

Noo, but they crowned him emperor for threatening God's voice on Earth. The Church would have clinged to any Ruler at this point because they were on the verge of collapse. As long as their Ruler was Christen, the Church bowed down. Tbh Charlemagne was the last Alpha King before the Church centeralized, took power, and cuckolded Europe. Henry VIII finally put an end to that garbage at least, and ended the tyranny when he created the Church of England with him at the top.

None the less my post >>2790593 was a joke.

>>2790877
Masses didn't matter that much back then.
But yeah the feudal elites wouldn't support that either.

>>2790715
Tours was no where near as significant as people think it is.

>>2791064
This

Duke of Aquitaine had already btfo the Muslims.

>>2790322
One of them lived, and he did pass down his title

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Pious

>>2791318
But if more had lived, would he have given it to one or just let it die?

>>2791334
One would get the title, the others would split up parts of his holdings and be under the oldest sun in name, but would be basically independent. This happened after Louis died.