Why he is so vilified? I thought commies were enemies of

arse-angered leftists don't like being exposed

I don't know anything about America but as I understand his methods were crude and unpleasant but based on assumptions that turned out to be entirely correct.

>>2768475
>unpleasant but based on assumptions that turned out to be entirely correct.
So what is the problem? He was basically right.

>>2768507
>>2768490
meant this

>>2768475
Because he made a mockery of the system.

>>2768475
Because commies and former commies completely took over the education system and the media. Even the Reaganite "neo-cons" were actually just former Marxists and Trotskyists, starting with their founder Irving Kristol.

>>2768490
>>2768507
Is this some kind of new meme? The list he said he had never materialized. McCarthy investigations never lead to the finding or capture of spies.

>>2768507
The Red Scare he is associated with exposed spies but also ruined some innovent lives and careers as collateral damage. Was it worth it? That's what the argument is about.

>>2768527
This is propaganda. The media is owned and operated by fervent and successful capitalists. You are thinking of the lower ranking people who are public-facing, I think.

>>2768527
Maybe the politicians but you can't really believe the CEOs of Viacom or Disney have any intention of promoting redistribution of their vast fortunes.

>>2768475
>Why he is so vilified?

Because the United States justice system is predicated on the notion that all US citizens are innocent until proven guilty.

He was right.

>>2768536
It also hurt and hindered the investigations and efforts of us organisation's as well as many "well duh Mccarthy we knew that ages ago".

Also he got btfo so hard in the last trial because all his evidence and shit was a complete 4chanesque shitpost.

Imagine if you are trying to hunt deer and some idiot runs

>>2768546
Yeah, capitalists of communist backgrounds. Virtually the entire nu-GOP administration from Reagan to Jeb Bush was just a bunch of former leftists, including Reagan himself. These people shifted the Overton window from traditional conservatism (God, Race, Nation) to promotion of open borders, hardline zionism, racial egalitarianism and an abhorrent fetishization of the free market.

>>2768557
The real disctinction shouldn't really be economic. The conservatives of old (including people from the McCarthy and Eisenhower era) certainly didn't shy away from public spending and a social safety net, it's the communist relativization of cultural norms and subsequent erosion of any kind of tradition or identity that's the real problem.

>>2768573
Wtf are you going on about?

>>2768595
Are you too dumb or understand or something?

>>2768569
>well duh Mccarthy we knew that ages ago
Sure, and that's why Alger Hiss, Harry Hopkins, Harry Dexter White, Lauchlin Currie and many others worked freely for years?

>>2768559
>Because the United States justice system is predicated on the notion that all US citizens are innocent until proven guilty.

Apparently prisoners of Roosevelt's concentration camps didn't get a memo. lmao

It's trendy to hate on the US nowadays

Anti Irish propaganda

>>2768573
>and an abhorrent fetishization of the free market

I don't see what's bad about the free market. I don't think doctors should be able to charge as much as they do but there's nothing wrong with economic opportunity. America is about opportunity.

> racial egalitarianism

Policies like affirmative action existed before Reagan.

> hardline zionism

What do you mean by Zionism?

>traditional conservatism (God, Race, Nation)

Christianity is not about race.

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>>2768643
>It's trendy to hate on the US nowadays

It's not like you don't deserve this

>>2768678
Naturally -- but I meant it more in a you have a generation now that was raised and has a pop culture sentiment that the US gov enjoys being evil and everyone else is its innocent victims of paragonal virtue

know what im saying?

>>2768619
Those were all done in by the FBI. McCarthy had nothing to do with it and McCarthy just jumped on it to get more support. The Nigger tried to investigate the CIA for COMMUINISM. He was that crazy.

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>>2768881
Did America suffer through a communist revolution?

You're welcome.

>>2768881
>the CIA
Because their precursors were doing so great under roosevelt's administration, right? Can you remind me, who was Duncan Lee?

>>2768641

>Roosevelt was a faggot just like McCarthy

How does this help your point in any way, shitposter?

>>2768881
>intelligence agancies are impervious to counter intellience operations such as double agents, triple agents, false flags, moles, and moles.

derp

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>>2768905
Why they had suffer revolution? They already created communist empire during World War II.

>>2768921
because McCarthy was against Roosevelt's comrades?

>>2768881
His entirety procedure revolved around bullying people and preventing them form taking it to court (the HUAC was not a court trial) through intimidation.

That's why when he did go against the military McCarthy got btfo because the military actually had lawyers to deal with his tricks (his ability to make anybody a communist really) and to actually call him out on his bullshit hard and got embarrassed on live tv because of how stupid his methods were once they were revealed to the public.

>>2768932
They had Hoover at the time who had a pathological and autistic hatred for anything remotely resembling anything red as head honcho of the FBI.

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>>2768973
>pathological and autistic hatred for anything remotely resembling anything red

because there weren't multiple soviet spies in roosevelt's administration and OSS, right?

>>2768918
Duncan Lee got caught out by the Venon project not by McCarthy. McCarthy jsut used that as a justification for his HUAC which never really got results out of it, it just ruined lives since it had no real power since it wasn't a court trial the complete ruination of a person's everything gave it power and initmdation

Also the U.S had WAY more people spying and working for them on the Soviet side.

Turns out everything he did was justified.

>>2768973
Luckily for us all. From a microbiological perspective communism is a malignant cancer which only grows in healthy cells and attacks the host.

If not addressed adequately this disease will kill it's once healthy host.

There is a reason why the commies of today com from middle class to upper class backgrounds in successful wealthy nations.

>>2768991
>Duncan Lee got caught out by the Venon project not by McCarthy. McCarthy jsut used that as a justification

So? He still was right.

>the complete ruination of a person's everything
>muh poor commies

>>2768991
>Also the U.S had WAY more people spying and working for them on the Soviet side

So? If not cripple commie in chief and the rest of soviet agents in his government there wouldn't be even cold war. You tools just cleaned your own mess.

>>2768995
Not really. The HUAC convicted ON ONE of communism just contempt of congress or perjury. Like Joe McCarthy pussied out when people either stood up to him or threatened to take it to court because then his evidence would be put to scrutiny.

>>2768536
>The list he said he had never materialized
Wrong.

>McCarthy investigations never lead to the finding or capture of spies
Technically true.

You should check into John Earl Haynes' work. He compares McCarthy's lists to Venona and declassified FBI investigations. Over half of the people named by McCarthy were noted security risks and a good number were dead to rights working with the Soviets. That McCarthy was right isn't a meme anymore. History has redeemed McCarthy in his accusations, though his methods are still vilified.

What's so wrong with communism anyway? Just because some genocidal leaders used it for political legitimacy doesn't mean it's bad

>>2769225
It is against human nature.

>>2769237
How so?

>>2769041
Cast a wide enough net and you can catch the smallest of microbes in the ocean.

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>>2768475

Because he spat in the face of our justice system and due process, and conducted what amounted little to more than a witch hunt at the time. A lot of people who barely had association with socialism had their lives ruined as collateral damage.

He seized the opportunity of the red scare to thrust himself into prominence and gain power and traction.

Sure, his actions showed that communist infiltration was indeed happening in our government. But that doesn't justify us abandoning our republic's precepts or well established common law.

>>2769237

I love this meme.

>>2768475
because he is the perfect example of consolidation of power and abuse of authority through fear-mongering and excessive rhetoric

>>2769499
His actions didn't even show it really it was dealt with heavily at that point and later on in regards to spies. Having a guy literally go on a frothing crusade when you are trying to be discreet and catching actual legit spies rather then guys who were part of left leaning organization at some point in time kinda makes things silly.

There's a difference between reading lolicon and fiddling kids and this applies to this case. McCarthy never brought a single communist to trial, which was later tauntingly pointed out by his opponents in congress. There are also very few trials in general, because the juridical basis wasn't very firm. Treason is awfully hard to prove under the American constitution and most other statutes (Espionage law ...) aren't really applicable either. Hiss was sentenced because he committed perjury. The Rosenberg-case is really the exception, not the rule.

>>2769479
What an excellent non-argument. The sheer percentage of those names which actually turned out to be working for them should be proof enough

>>2769630
>The sheer percentage of those names which actually turned out to be working for them should be proof enough
Can you put a number on this percentage?

>>2768475
Because turning the US authoritarian in order to get rid of commies would be no victory.

>>2768475
He did things which are illegal and contrary to edgelord belief, laws are actually of significant importance. He's probably easily confounded with the later incarnation of J Edgar Hoover in popular normtard reckoning who was worse.
He could also be blamed for being a key figure in the creation of the anticommunist rhetoric that would dominate politics up til today, inhibiting the development of social progress.

>>2769662
>turning the US authoritarian
>post-FDR America
>turning the US authoritarian
>turning
kek

>>2768475
he was literally right about everything and then attacked Hollywood aka got tangled up with the rich fucks, literally no one would have cared about what he did if he didn't call them out

>>2768490
He caught exactly zero communists during his whole crusade.

>>2769655
ZERO

>>2769655
According to Haynes' work, about 60%

>>2769709
t. ankie

>>2768475
He intentionally exaggerated the red scare and created a political witch hunt to advance himself.

>>2769802
>exaggerated
If only you knew how bad things really were

America hates commies because they take away people's freedoms

kinda defeats the purpose when your gov't takes away freedoms anyway

>>2769848
>commit sedition
>wonder why your freedoms get taken away

>>2769860
If you actually did commit sedition then you should.

If people only THINK you did it there's kinda a conflict of interest.

>>2769830
>Inb4 muh Venona papers

Literally nothing there confirms any of McCarthy's accusations and the list flat out comes with a warning that most links between aliases and names are purely conjecture.

>>2768965
>Senator McCarthy
>Senator
>House Unamerican Activiates Committe
>House
What did he mean by this?

>>2769873
Communists commit sedition by default. Their ideology demands the overthrow of the state. There are exactly zero non-seditious commies in the world. On top of this, being a communist means you do not respect the rights of others. As such, their rights should not be respected either.

>>2769738
>he was literally right about everything and then attacked Hollywood aka got tangled up with the rich fucks, literally no one would have cared about what he did if he didn't call them out

Wtf are you shitting me? He got fucked hard rightfully so because he fucked with the military and embarrassed himself on live TV.

>>2768475
He was paranoid raging alcoholic, still like most conservatives today.

>>2768573
>racial egalitarianism

Since when has this been a bad thing? What, should we have continued treating the millions of non-white Americans as second class citizens?

>>2769904
Thank God that's not how the first amendment works.

>>2770153
>paranoid
>raging
>alcoholic

all with good reason

>>2768475
Leftists and communists got wrekt so now they hate him.

>>2769623
>catching actual legit spies rather then guys who were part of left leaning organization at some point in time kinda makes things silly.

Protip: People who are part of "left leaning organizations" may as well be spies.

>>2770180
What does the first amendment have to do with communism? I don't see anything in there about a right to be a commie.

>>2770180
I'm sure the founding fathers would love people using their amendment to defend an ideology all about destroying what they worked so hard to create.

>>2770228
That and pornography being protected as "speech", I'm sure they would have gotten a kick out of that.

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>>2770220
Not that anon but commie scum are still citizens.

Misguided and often lies to by their cult leadsrs like Yvette Falarca, but citizens.

And until they actually break our laws they have all the rights afforded to the citizenry.

The recent resurgence has already failed. Died in the womb. Stillborn.

They should have kept it to banks and corporations. Hell even the police. But they came up against the frogmen and antagonized them. And peppersprayed young women and beat up other citizens while wearing masks.

Their optics are Hezbollah. They've lost their ideological center and even figures like Bernie Sanders stepped up to denounce them.

It's now standard LEO policy to unmask them and their members are facing real legal troubles.

But they are still citizens and capable of being salvaged.

If they had just left their masks off and come well dressed and nice looking try would have done more damage.

But there are real criminals in their ranks.

>>2768677
>What do you mean by Zionism?

He means 1/3rd of US foreign aid goes to Israel.

>>2770253
>Not that anon but commie scum are still citizens.
Not in my book.

>>2770180
>that's not how the first amendment works
It isn't? Last I checked if you go to prison for committing sedition you lose your rights. You should be happy that progressive judicial activists made your breaking the law excusable.

>>2770253
Drop the larping it's pathetic anon.

>>2770260
They are just LARPing for the most part. Harmless.

I'm not prepared to regulate speech to ensure the Republic. If we do that them we've already lost it.

https://youtu.be/jl_9ayxs69A

>>2770253
>until they actually break our laws
>call for the violent overthrow of the United States government
>not breaking the law
What part of seditious by default do you not understand

>>2770266
>I have no idea what sedition is because I have this bizarre need to be an internet tough guy.

>>2770273
Not that anon but they've got that right. Anyone can at any time call for the violent overthrow of the US government.

>ITT: americans in 2017 still brainwashed by 1950's CIA propaganda

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>>2770267
Hahaha the LARPing as antifa was done months ago before the Battles.

And pol already began developing antibodies. Like a vaccine for the social virus.

By the time they really stepped up our guys were already ready for War. They escalated to body armor and shield/batons organically within weeks. And it would have only escalated from there.

Do not misunderstand me, law enforcement has had to step in and curb their masked violence. For their own protection.

The frogmen already doxxed their entire network.

If Law Enforcement hasn't stepped in it would have been the Long Knives.

>>2770276
Sedition (Noun) - conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch
>>2770278
Nope.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

Just because commie judges have made sure it's not enforced for commies (but used very often against right-wing militians) doesn't mean it's not against the fucking law.

>>2768991
>Also the U.S had WAY more people spying and working for them on the Soviet side.
>this is somehow justification to let Soviet agents inside your government

>>2770282
I don't know what you expected, Americans are some of the most brainwashed people on the planet.

>>2770270
There's no such thing as a harmless red. The LARPers exist to provide cover for the revolutionarys, and act as human shields to convince people like you from scooping the whole lot up and deporting them to Liberia.

>I'm not prepared to regulate speech to ensure the Republic. If we do that them we've already lost it.
I hear you Cicero, but I for one welcome Caesar. I say that we have in fact already lost, and if we've already lost then we may as well regulate speech.

>>2770285
So, you think that the Supreme Court's decision in Yates v U.S. is wrong, and therefore you implicitly deny Article 3 of the U.S. constitution, at which point you are professing an ideology contrary to that of the Constitution of this land. You are no different from your communist strawman and are committing sedition by your own definition. You should turn yourself in to your local precinct.

>>2770295
So in that case, I imagine you support US colleges supporting restricting free speech against alleged racists, bigots, etc?

>>2770295
We're not there yet. When we are you will be informed.

>>2769772
>>2769778
He pretty much forced Chaplin to leave to Switzerland. That's something.

>>2770300
This is accurate

>>2770300
Nigger, I think fucking Marbury v. Madison was wrong. Regardless, your thinking that communists do not present a clear and present danger is false and your fallacy fallacy can go eat a sack of baby dicks.

>>2770311
>He pretty much forced Chaplin to leave to Switzerland. That's something.


Thank God. Lord knows our streets are that much safer with one less vaudeville actor walking the streets.

>>2770301
No, why would I do that?
>hurr if you support killing your enemies that must mean you support them killing you
Free speech is for Americans.
Communists aren't Americans.

>>2770320
I admire your zeal.

However when the political landscape changes, and oh it will change, I would hope that our ideological sparring partners afford us the same courtesies.

Do you know why we win?

We win because we are better than they are

>>2770334
>afford us the same courtesies
They don't even afford us courtesies now you fucking idiot.

>>2770301
>So in that case, I imagine you support US colleges supporting restricting free speech against alleged racists, bigots, etc?

That has nothing to do with sedition or treason though.

>>2770331
If I many ask, whom do you consider true Americans?

Do you hold only ideological boundaries for what constitutes Americans? Is it purely that they aren't communists?

>>2770331
They are.

Just very stupid and naive ones.

You haven't seen the doxxes. These are pizza boys and waitresses. College students. Not real revolutionaries and not actually a threat.

The mask made them a threat because the mask protects them. Take away their balaclavas and you have shaking soft shit children about to piss their pants.

These are not your father's communists.

>>2770337
Excuse me.

We had a half-Black President to the last 8 years while everyone online was larping as nazis and white nationalists and all the rest.

There were no laws created. There were no round ups. There were no purges. At worst, at the ABSOLUTE worst Hillary finally said we were deplorable.

Well we are deplorable. That was fair.

>>2770320
>Nigger, I think fucking Marbury v. Madison was wrong
Well, that makes you seditious by your own definition. Judicial power is invested, not created by the constitution. It's very clear in article 3. That means judicial review is a power that the court has, since it was a pre-existing, pre-revolutionary power that judges had. The judiciary doesn't say "oh, when the 4th amendment says that a warrant needs to be supported by probable cause, we think it means X because that's what seems reasonable", they say "The 4th amendment says that a warrant needs to be supported by probable cause. We are defining probable cause as X, and it is now X because we've defined it so."

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/354/298/case.html
The court clearly draws a distinction between advocacy and belief. You are objectively wrong, because again, the Supreme court actually defines this shit, so whatever they so define it as is tautologically correct. Ironically, your opposition to this is more seditious than anything these commies are doing.

>>2770363
25 year rule. I'm not arguing about this. All I'm going to say is you can quite literally find people that are in prison right now over joking about lynching Obama while there are celebrities writing songs about murdering Trump that haven't even so much as received a visit from the FBI.

>>2770370
>disagreeing with a botched Supreme Court case is the same as calling for the overthrow of government and the abolition of the state
I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but please stay there, you commie fuck.

>>2770363

This. We had 8 years of Neo-Nazi/White Nationalist worst nightmare.

Overall it gave George Bush a run for his neoconservative money.

>>2770374
> All I'm going to say is you can quite literally find people that are in prison right now over joking about lynching Obama

Do you have any evidence about this?

>>2770375
And truth be told it wasn't that bad.

There have been worse Presidencies.

>>2770363
>>2770375
Not sure if bait or Reddit. Not only are actual neo-nazis at an all time low compared to previous decades but the modern Republican party is full of "Democrats are the real racists" tier neo-cons.

>>2770378
Yes, but I'm not getting banned over your inability to use google.

>>2770386
Why would you be banned for posting alleged facts?

>>2770391
25 year rule. I've been warned for less.

>>2770398
Not him but I think that's only if you make a thread under the 25 year rule and it's not humanities related.

>>2770383
Yes in forms commonly recognized they are unicorns. But their message has gone almost mainstream.

It certainly dominated the counter culture.

Like I said. LARPing.

Oh and the Democrats are really racist. If they were not they would live much closer to their minority dupes who keep them in power.

Being racist is saying 'You're black so I'm going to give you special treatment and always address your skin color and my skin color.'

Not being racist is saying 'I don't give a shit what color you are get out of my way I'm going to work.'

>>2770404
It was a thread about the transition from Soyuz to Federation. Mods didn't care.

>>2770413
You are really proving his point anon.

>>2770425
Neocon is a boomer term that no longer applies to what exists.

Democrats can't be non-racial when their primary interest in black people is them being black people...

>>2770435
Are you that retard that thinks Neocons are neoliberals?

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>>2770438
No I'm a different retard. You seem hostile. Everything okay?

>>2770374
>I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but please stay there, you commie fuck.
The fantasy world where common law exists and you don't get to randomly call people seditious merely because they have a different belief system than yours, especially when your idiotic opinion has 0 judicial support.

>>2770413
>Being racist is saying 'You're black so I'm going to give you special treatment and always address your skin color and my skin color.'

Yeah, I don't think you've actually been to a poor black community. They're not exactly getting special treatment there. The schools in particular are pretty shit to begin with.

Too be fair, the US has a long history of shitting on the poor and underprivileged regardless of race so it's really more of a class issue with hints of race thrown in there.

>>2770370
This is flawless

>>2770370
Excellent post.

>>2768536
>The list he said he had never materialized
Incorrect.

>McCarthy investigations never lead to the finding or capture of spies.
No, but they did expose members of the CPUSA which at that time was an arm of the KGB.

>>2770438
neocucks are neoliberals. The economics is virtually the same.

>>2770452
What if I told you the government isn't mandated to run your life?

That it's actually not responsible for making the poor wealthy?

That's actually our job as citizens. Or not. All if this is just a game. There are rules to the game that we all must abide by and the consequences are public knowledge.

But that's it.

>>2770442
>You don't get call people seditious for committing sedition but you are seditious because you disagree with a judicial activist opinion on the matter despite not calling for their overthrow
Bravo. Really well-orchestrated post. Made me think super hard about whether or not an ideology whose VERY BASIC PREMISE is the overthrow and abolition of government is seditious. Your whole fucking logic chain is flawed, but you keep your moral high ground.

>>2770473
>Made me think super hard about whether or not an ideology whose VERY BASIC PREMISE is the overthrow and abolition of government is seditious.
Again, the Supreme Court says that you are wrong. It's not even a question of reasoning, they have DEFINED the act of sedition such that mere membership in a communist organization does not meet it. That's what the law of sedition now IS; it's not an interpretation that could be flawed, it's a legal definition.

>>2770473
Different anon but If I may ask who do you consider true Americans and who do you not? Is it just that they're not communists?

>>2770457

>Journalists and historians have often referred to Senator Joseph McCarthy’s “list” as if it were a precisely defined entity. It was not, however. Certainly one would put his “numbered” list of eighty-one cases, given in a Senate speech of February 20, 1950, as the prime candidate for being McCarthy’s “list.” But McCarthy himself quickly added several dozen more names to this list in communications to a subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (commonly referred to in the press as the “Tydings Committee” from its chairman, Senator Millard Tydings). The Tydings subcommittee in its “State Department Employee Loyalty Investigation” inquired into Senator McCarthy’s charges.

>Most but not all of Senator McCarthy’s numbered cases were drawn from the “Lee List” or “108 list” of unresolved DOS security cases compiled by the investigators for the House Appropriates Committee in 1947. Robert E. Lee was the committee’s lead investigator and supervised preparation of the list. The Tydings subcommittee also obtained this list. The Lee list, also using numbers rather than names, was published in the proceeding of the subcommittee.[1]

>Senator McCarthy furnished the Tydings Committee the real names attached to his numbered cases, and the Tydings Committee received the real names attached to the Lee list as well.[2] Over the years that followed all of the names became public one way or another.

>Additionally, in a series of speeches McCarthy named others as secret Communists, spies, security risks, or participants in the Communist conspiracy. Below these various lists are recapitulated. Only those he named from 1950 through 1952 (prior to become chairman of the Senate Governmental Operations Committee) will be considered here. (All lists will be alphabetical.)

IT wasn't even a concrete list. Just an adhoc list of names that he slapped on haphazardly as time went on.

>>2770484
Call me when SCOTUS gets to define words for reasons outside of their own personal political definitions. Sedition is and forever will be the act or speech regarding the overthrow of government. Just because SCOTUS changed THEIR definition so their commie brethren don't go to prison doesn't make the definition different anymore than your personal definition of me disagreeing with SCOTUS makes me seditious.

>>2770487
Good question and I don't have a full answer. What I will say is that this country was founded upon Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The very basic premises of Marxist Communism seek to deny me of all three and thus communists are not true Americans. The sad reality is that the politics of certain activist groups within the judiciary made it so said ideologies were not considered as dangerous as they are and that is unfortunate. The other anon is a commie stooge doing his damndest to uphold that idea.

>>2770550
>Call me when SCOTUS gets to define words for reasons outside of their own personal political definitions.
Article 3, section 1.

>>2770540
They were secret groups. Secrecy was part of their bag.

What he did do successfully was cry havoc and scare them into hiding for a generation.

There's lots of lists out there. People like lists. But most of the lists are never used.

>>2770550
>What I will say is that this country was founded upon Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Liberty or just liberty you agree with?

>>2770550
>not being extreme enough to lock up people who have committed no crimes but wrongthink is being an undercover commie

No anon it's just being an American.

>>2770555
>Article 3, section 1
Article 3, section 1 doesn't give SCOTUS the right to define words outside of the court. In fact, all it does is give SCOTUS the right rule on cases. It doesn't even give SCOTUS the ability for Judicial Review.

>>2770562
Liberty. I can see where you're going with this and it's a faulty premise. See communism doesn't actually allow for liberty. I have no problem with communitarianism if you want to go down that route. However, when your ENTIRE ideology is about denying the liberty of others and refusing to acknowledge their rights, you don't get rights of your own.

>>2770566
>committing sedition
>not a crime because it isn't enforce
We're back to square one.

>>2770576
>Article 3, section 1 doesn't give SCOTUS the right to define words outside of the court. In fact, all it does is give SCOTUS the right rule on cases. It doesn't even give SCOTUS the ability for Judicial Review.
Wrong. Article 3 invests, and does not create authority. There is only one source of pre-existing judicial authority to "invest" into the judiciary, which is judicial authority as practiced in the colonies under English Common Law. That did in fact give them the power to define statutory/constitutional (since the distinction was much less clear in ECL) law, since the overwhelming majority of said laws in ECL were judicially constructed, Parliament mostly focusing on other things. To deny them this power is to absurdly insist to ridiculous concepts like there being no laws against murder, robbery, arson, etc in the U.S. until you started seeing consolidated penal statutes in the mid-late 19th century.

>>2770576
These are just echoes of communism from the past. Ghosts.

99% of the 'commies' today got lured in to fight nazis. Who were just copies of photographs from the past.

It's all just echoes. And you're scared enough that you want to go full fascism and right now and start opening the camps?

We need these idiots lol to help us Make America Great Again.

We can't just remove one half of our brain because it thinks uncomfy thoughts. We need dissent. We thrive on it.

Lord save me front the world where everyone gets along all of the time.

>>2770595
Not in the constitution, completely fucking irrelevant to these United States. You're basing your whole shtick on SCOTUS amassing more power for itself against the idea of what it was supposed to be. Living documentarians need to die.

>>2770599
You say that like it's relevant. A communist is a communist. On top of this, once again, dissent is much different than sedition.

>>2770557
Of the 159 persons listed above, there is substantial evidence that nine assisted Soviet espionage against the United States: Lauchlin Currie, Harold Glasser, Gerald Graze, Standley Graze, Many Jane Keeney, David Karr, Robert T. Miller, Franz Neumann, and William Remington. David Zablodowsky is a tenth ambiguous case.

Some of the others were security risks. To say that someone was a security risk is not to say that that person is a proven or even most likely a Soviet espionage source. It is only to say that in matters of national security “better safe than sorry” is a principle. Risks should be minimized by excluding those persons from employment in positions where they would have access to sensitive information.

Risk factors vary from the purely personal to the ideological. Entirely patriotic and loyal persons may have risk factors that make them a security risk. Someone with a history of financial irresponsibility (chronic gambling, bankruptcy) may be tempted by financial gain to betray secret without regard to their patriotism. Someone with close relatives living in a hostile foreign nation may be vulnerable to blackmail due to coercive threats against those family members.

And, of course, someone with ideological sympathy for a hostile foreign power may be tempted to betray by appeals to that ideology. Obviously, in the Cold War between the Communist bloc and the West, persons with Communist or pro-Communist ideological sympathies were security risks due to the possibility of ideological recruitment by Communist intelligence officers. Indeed, the great majority of American, several hundred, now known to have assisted Soviet espionage in the United States in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s were motivated by ideology and many were secret members of the CPUSA.[54]

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>>2770637
>>2770637
Many, but certainly not all, of those in the above lists had in their background some ideological security risk factors. A few were established as having been members of the Communist Party, USA (CPUSA) or the Young Communist League. Many had belonged to a number of special purpose organizations, some closely, some not so closely, aligned with the CPUSA, were know to former co-workers as pro-Soviet, or had other signs of Communist sympathies. In some cases those affiliations were recent or ongoing. Frederick Schuman, for example, had a long and enduring history of intense Communist sympathies. With others, however, their affiliation with the Communist left were youthful and a decade or more in the past, and the person may have abandoned those views. Stephen Brunauer, for example, had been in the Young Communist League in the late 1920s but appears to have abandoned the movement by the early 1940s and in 1946 the U.S. government sent him to Hungary (he was Hungarian born) to assist in the escape of Hungarian scientists from Communist Hungary. There were also cases were some association legitimately raised security risk concerns but on inspection, the association appears to have been coincidental. For example McCarthy number case # 1 (Lee list # 51) Herbert Fierst, socialized with and was associated at work with several persons known to be linked to Soviet intelligence. But on examination, Fierst’s association appeared to have been no more than that: social and related to his official duties. Among other points, he was a firm supporter of Zionism, an ideological attribute not merely distrusted but hated by Soviet intelligence.[55]

>>2770637
It would take an extensive review of each person separately to come to a firm view on each case, and in a number of cases the passage of time might make reaching a firm conclusion impossible. My own view is that a number of those on the lists above, perhaps a majority, likely were security risks, but others, a minority but a significant one, likely were not, and some, Drew Pearson, Dean Acheson, and George Marshall for eample, certainly were not.

>>2770645
Well I use the women and children killed during airstikes on terrorists gambit.

What the FUCK were they doing so close to terrorists?

>>2770695
>What the FUCK were they doing so close to terrorists?

probably being their wives and children.

or alternatively, had nothing to do with the terrorists and didn't plan their entire lives around their potential proximity to terrorists.

>>2770628
>Not in the constitution, completely fucking irrelevant to these United States.
You are wrong and retarded to boot. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

> Living documentarians need to die.
Please don't use terms that you have no idea what they mean. It just makes it even more annoying to talk to you.

For fuck's sake, you need to have some context of what "Judicial power" is, since it in and of itself is nowhere defined within the text of the constitution. How the fuck do you escape the conclusion that it's SCOTUS that makes those sorts of definitions?

>>2770452
You know people of all races live in different areas, right Jeeves?

>t. white boi born and raised in one of your "black" neighborhoods

>>2771799
The Us is very segregated by race and wealth so it's pretty obvious when you step into the designated ghetto.

poor areas in the states are most cases mono racial.

>>2769041
All Venona prove that there was Russian spies in America which surprise surprise, bitch basic shit in espionage.

>>2770213
Literally changing the goalposts with red baiting. Not an arguement

>>2769225
So can you tell me what's wrong with national socialism?

>>2769802
>exaggerated

Yeah, because sovietized roosevelt's administration wasn't stalinist lackey. lmao

>>2769884
60% according to Haynes, you fucking retard.

>>2771949
National socialism, especially strasserism/rohmism, is the biggest menace the jews could dream of. It completely shatters their spooky premise that if you're a nationalist you have to be a bourgeoise lackey and that socialism not only can be achieved without the jews, but in fact the only way to achieve it properly is if you remove them.

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>>2771875
>surprise surprise, bitch basic shit in espionage.

And what these spies greatly done. They helped Uncle Joe build his empire.

>>2771960
[Citation needed]

>>2771988
Read yourself, commietard.

>>2771799
I'm not certain what point you're trying to make. Can you elaborate further?

>>2768475
he got a senator killed or something

the swamp looks after their own