So here's what I don't get about Christianity. Why

>>2767717
He doesnt. The devil suffers in hell just like non-believers.

Devil being the master of hell is just "fiction"

>>2767717
Devil isn't in charge of hell, God is in control

>>2767717
Lucifer is suffering, and for those humans who actually have a possibility to see their creator, to live in heaven, amd then they throw that away so they can suffer the hopeless dread of hell. He has hatred 100fold for those weak souls that are so proud to think they can do his bidding on earth

>>2767717
nothing in the Bible makes any fucking sense, it's just a bunch of inane scribblings in Hebrew that constantly contradict themselves that people meme'd over 500 years ago

>OP thinks Satan is a red-skinned figure with horns and a pitchfork in hell

You're an idiot.

@2767828: no (You)s for you.

If you are actually interested in learning what Satan is:

>Dualism: The Illuminati Religion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUkiBz9rYEs

>AGE OF DECEIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M

>Mystery Babylon series by William Cooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iCLykzJ0d8

Satan means 'adversary' in Hebrew. He is the eternal rebel, the one who opposes and accuses God. He masqueraides as an angel of light, and is often symbolized as a serpent or snake, referring to his wisdom.

Satan's name is Lucifer, the 'light-bearer' who gave man the gift of intellect or knowledge. The whole story in the Garden of Eden when the age of innocence was lost and man knew the difference between good and evil.

Satan/Lucifer fell from heaven and became the 'god of this world'.
All false ideologies, doctrines, religions and philosophies that oppose God are from him. Most people in the world are in the grasp of Satan and don't even realize it. Satan is the father of lies, deception, manipulation and control. He is the god of this world, and Christians are called out to not be part of this sinful and fallen world.

Anton LeVay is entry-level tier pop-culture satanism.

Real satanism or luciferianism is practiced by secret societies and the occult, with all sorts of initiations, rites and supposed sacred knowledge. These mystery religions absolutely hate and loathe Christianity and want to destroy it. Ancient paganism was the exoteric, if you wanted to learn the real meaning behind the gods and myths, you were initiated into the occult. Osiris, Baal, etc the 'sun god' it's all Satan worship.

They want to build a socialist, totalitarian New World Order based on ecumenism and the destruction of sovereignty, private property and the belief in God. The whole Tower of Babel again.

Satanism is all about elevating man to become 'gods'. That's what the whole New Age movement is all about. The Antichrist will be the Muslims' Mahdi, the Buddhist's Maitreya and the Catholic's false Jesus.

>>2767946
cool story. where'd ya get that shit from?

>>2767717
The Bible doesn't really get explicit about hell or Satan at all, all his name means is "the adversary" and everything after that is mysticism

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>>2767977
By looking at history.

Manly P. Hall
Helena Blavatsky
Alice Bailey
Aleister Crowley
Albert Pike

Look into their work to see what Satanists/Luciferians believe.
They're pagans, socialists, new agers, ecumenists and antichrists.

Then there's the whole Sophia "mother earth" and Gnostic goddess worship, which also ties into Satanism.

It's a huge subject, so here are some books you might learn from.

As Christians, it is important for us to understand our enemy so that we do not fall for the deception of the final days.

Just saying "da illuminati!" won't cut it.

>>2767988
>Gnosticism
>Satanist
Wew lad, it's literally Christian shit with a more fleshed out bad guy

Satan isnt even in hell yet. Satan only goes to hell after the end of the world

>>2767994
Actually yes Satanism is literally just Christianity with extra edge.

Same theology.

The thinking man knows that mankind needs no supernatural external force to be terrible and awful.

We need to stop looking to the sky and look internally.

>>2767717
>Why would the devil have an interest in punishing evil doers when he is himself evil? Shouldn't he reward them instead?
Because hes evil?

No really when did evil beings have any sort of loyalty towards others who aint them?

>>2768011
No no no, Satnism is edgy shit about the villain being right, Gnosticism is for people into grey morality

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Another typical hallmark of a satanic religion is that it will make our Lord Jesus out to be a:

>prophet
>just a teacher
>an "ascended master"
>a created being

Basically anything but God in the flesh or the Son of God.

Satanism is about man becoming god, through trans-humanism or mysticism.
UFOs and aliens are a demonic phenomena, but the New Age view them as helpers.
They even get demonically possessed and call it "channeling".

Abductions have suddenly stopped when the victim says the name of Jesus. There's an entire research in ufology on the subject, and it's heavily suppressed by people with an agenda. Why would extraterrestrial aliens be afraid of the name of Jesus? Unless they are demonic entities and not from another planet at all.

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>>2767717
The devil isn't Hades, he isn't the ruler of the underworld, in fact the bible literally says next to nothing about him.
>Cons a woymn
>Plays games with God
>Random bullshit with no consequence
>Chats shit to Jesus with to no avail
>More random bullshit that has no consequence
>Gets btfo in revelations
The devil probably isn't just one big bad anti God, just like >>2767985 said its more to highlight opposites and try to explain God more and an abstract concept. Its literally the adversary of the bible because stories are a lot easier to understand with an antagonist.

>>2768025
Morality isn't grey. There are no shades of morality.

It's truly a spook and nothing but peer pressure and social control.

People LOVE control over others and so you have internal enforcement even if no authority is present.

Like the other day on campus I was out having a smoke in a secluded place where it's quiet and not bothering anyone.

A rabid shoggoth waddled over to me, across a field of grass, shouting that it was a no smoking campus increasingly loudly.

She was incensed, beat red by the time she reached me. I simply ignored her. Said nothing, kept smoking and ignoring her.

This made her more agitated and she began screeching louder and more frequently, repeating her words like a mantra and trying different combinations.

She even tried fake politeness and then really over the top insults almost back to back.

Objectively speaking if I had began smashing her in the face with a large rock I would have been defending myself from verbal and near physical assault as she got closer and closer and almost looked ready to sway at my cigarette.

This is the real face of 'morality'.

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>>2768011
>We need to stop looking to the sky and look internally

You just agreed with the Satanists/Luciferians, who think man can become god.

Atheism is a joke, for the masses. The people that control the world and propogate atheism themselves are purely religious. Paganism has never died out, it simply went underground.

>>2767994
Gnosticism is the same shit as any other occult society or philosophy.

Ancient mysteries became Kabbalism and Gnosticism which became the Hashashins (assassins) which influenced Knight's Templars which became the Freemasons.

Atheistic humanism is just a product of the French Revolution, a Jacobin/Illuminati inspired revolution.

Satan is the eternal rebel, and world-wide socialism or communism is the goal.

They want God out of your life, and they want you to believe you can become a god yourself. This is the entire plan which will ultimately fail as the Bible says.

>>2767988

you christians messed up your bible after jesus
and still whine about him today.

if it wasn't for the dogma of the second coming of christ Christianity would've been long gone.

>>2768060
By mentioning Lucifer earlier you've already swayed from the course anon, the morning star is not biblical canon

>>2768068
Listen, if there is some grand extra-dimensional creative force it is a sadistic idiot child that would be convicted in any court.

And the strings of power would be removed by a rational force.

Because I often find myself incapable of defending the human experiment to an outside observer.

Try it sometime. Try making the 'case for humanity' on paper.

>>2768070

"Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”

5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."

- 2 Peter

>>2768081
Trust me, there is no supernatural force required to make humans awful.

Are you familiar with deprivation studies? Deprivation studies show that humans can be brought from civilized to savage animals or apathetic husks quite easily.

We are all of us 4 and 1/2 meals and 12 degrees from murder or total apathy.

>>2768084
What is exactly your objection?

>if there is some grand extra-dimensional creative force it is a sadistic idiot child that would be convicted in any court.
Again you're showing how influenced you are by Satanic philosophies.

The idea that the creator or the God of the Bible is a "bad guy" is a Gnostic, Luciferian concept.

It's twisting good and evil around, making Satan to be the hero. Nothing but lies and deceit.

>>2768106
Your dichotomy is tedious.

The dichotomy is a trick of extremes. There are objectively no real extremes.

There is just what is.

>>2768096
The theory of evolution is a myth.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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>>2767717
>Christians tell me that evil is simply the absence (non-existence) of good
>the Devil is the embodiment of evil
>the devil embodies the non-existence of good
>????
>"this thing is the embodiment of no thing"
>????

How can the absence of a thing be a thing itself? Does non-existence exist? wouldn't the existence of non-existence contradict itself?

>>2768125
>Listening to protestant ramblings
Found the problem

>>2768125
guys doesn't this mean the devil doesn't exist?

>>2768130
can you elaborate, my local catholic priest told me that evil was the absence of good?? He said something about St. Augustine iirc.

>>2768135
As a Catholic I have literally never heard a sermon about the devil outside the time he tried to trick Jesus in the desert and Adam and Eve, he's barely even a character in Catholic thought

>>2768117
Very likely.

In the immortal words of Sonmi 451;

>Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.
>To be is to be perceived. And so to know thyself is only possible through the eyes of the other. The nature of our immortal lives is in the consequences of our words and deeds that go on apportioning themselves throughout all time.
>that ship... that ship must be destroyed
>yes
>the systems that built them must be torn down
>yes
>>No matter if we're born in a tank or a womb, we are all Pureblood
>yes
>We must all fight and, if necessary, die to teach people the truth

This is what we have been waiting for

>>2768142
so what are you saying? that the devil does not exist or that the devil is not all-evil, that is the devil is not the embodiment of evil? does that mean the devil is somewhat good, but less good than man? does that mean some people can actually be less good, and so WORSE, than the devil?

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>>2768142
>Detailed Documentary Exposing Catholic Church (8 hours)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bVEXZ38Vs8

>The Real History of the evil Roman Catholic Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LClaSilFlA8

>The Jesuit Agenda Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTo2wbfvT9E

>The Real Bible Version Issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHcf3E8qOqA

>The Catholic and Islamic Connection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll0otULYzms

as Jesus said: "Get out of her.."

>>2768148
Devil comes from the Greek word diabolos.

A devil is anyone doing bad. Satan/Lucifer is a devil.
Fallen angels and demonic spirits are devils.

Lucifer is a real entity, a cherubim that wants to exalt himself above God Jehovah/Adonai the creator.

>>2768148
I'm saying the devil is a meme, he's not a concrete existence you need to fret your entire life over but rather a lesson in not being a duplicitous cunt
>>2768150
Well meme'd, now go back to having women and faggots as your ministers, so progressive

>>2768150
There is one problem.

Humanity unshackled from Abrahamic morality should terrify us all.

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>>2768164
Vatican II was an atrocity.

SSPX or Orthodoxy are the only true paths left to the discerning Christian.

>>2768165
>Abrahamic
A shitty term coined only by butthurt atheists and mudslimes in an attempt to garner sympathy from Christians.

There is no such thing as "abrahamic" unless referring to the specific Abrahamic covenant with God (such as Davidic, etc).

If you want to group Judaism, Islam and Christianity together, the correct term would be monotheism.

>>2768165
You mean godly morality.
Using the conscience and brain that God gave you.

Today we live in a world where the Protestant family values, ethics and moral foundations are disregarded. This gives way to all sorts of degeneracy and immorality.

Anything goes, like Satan says: do what thou wilt

>Why Leftists Believe Weird and Immoral Things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETivbBtlAE

>>2768176
>not Episcopalian

It's like you enjoy the thought of going to hell.

>>2768180
Actually anon you're wrong.

Abrahamic morality covers every iteration from Judaism to Islam to Mormons and across the whole spectrum of Christian effort.

Theologically speaking Abraham DID accept the covenant for his people but it has been passed onwards as groups have failed to adhere to the very basics.

Theologically God is still trying to get this one basic mandate across to humanity.

>>2768199
I was a member of the Quaker underground for a few years.

I thought it was the most ideal form until I came across the underground courts. No one really knows the extent of the Quaker radicalism but they have gone full rogue.

>>2768201
Except it assumes that the morals come from Abraham, which is false.

Godliness and holiness predates Abraham.

Why not call it Noahic morality or Enochic morality? It's a shitty meaningless term.

>>2768214
>I'm a temperance leaguer
Kill yourself, Jesus didn't turn water into wine so you could be a massive faggot

>>2768225
You're not wrong. However all the iterations did spring from Abraham and his covenant. Prior to that God seems to only work with individuals as groups were still to subversive and dangerous.

Even Lot wasn't allowed his wife Edith.

>>2768226
You think it's a joke. Everyone does.

Quakers have consistently been the most dismissed as well as most radical form of Christianity since their conception.

>storming into other churches mid-service to call them out on heresy
>commonly getting literally dragged through the streets by horses
>one woman patiently waits years to meet the Pope
>when finally granted audience to the most powerful man in Christendom she spits at him and denounces him

This was all during the formative years of the many Circles of Friends. It's only escalated.

>>2768261
>Look at me!
>I'm such an individual!
Sounds like typical new world protestants

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>>2768271
Not him, but Protestants are real Christians unlike Catholics which are crypto-pagans.

They follow what the Bible says, and Paul's teachings to the NT early churches.

Catholics follow what the """church fathers""" a couple hundred years later say, when the churches were already largely corrupted and apostate from the original apostolic era.

>>2768290
>Protestants are real Christians
>Obsessed with the Old testament
Protestants are fucking Jews, which is why every Christian Zionist happens to be a protestant

>>2768271
In my capacity with the Friends I was routinely charged with handling inmate correspondence from Level 5 Security Housing Units. The purpose on the face of it was to provide theological aid to the very most dangerous and organized rebels in America, the leaders of the various rebel tribes we call 'gangs'.

It became clear that there was an alliance and even a cohesion at the highest levels and within the Circles.

Bluntly, the Quaker underground has gon full rogue and works within the Prison industrial complex with the incarcerated in order to subvert society and that very system.

>>2768301
Inmate riots, hunger strikes, even some assassinations often do NOT originate within the prisons themselves.

>>2768290
>Catholics follow what the """church fathers""" a couple hundred years later say, when the churches were already largely corrupted and apostate from the original apostolic era.

As opposed to just following the texts compiled(and possibly forged) by the said church fathers?

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>>2768300
>Old Testament is not part of scripture
>Catholics shitting on God's Word

Typical.

It's also funny how most Catholics have never really read and understood the Bible at all, they just blindly believe what their Latin child-raping priest says.

I agree that Zionism is retarded, but no one is perfect. There are Protestant denominations or doctrines that are pure heresy, but that doesn't change the fact that Roman Catholicism is an apostate heretical church as well.

How about you get to know God personally instead letting others tell you what to think?

There's this book called the Bible and God wants you to read it.

>>2768300
>which is why every Christian Zionist happens to be American
FTFY. I don't know why does this need to be repeated so often but continental protestantism is nothing like Anglo-American protestantism. Lutherans especially consider Christian Zionism to be disgusting.

>>2768068
No seriously who the fuck makes these images?

'Foundation X' sounds like what a 14-year old would call an antagonist faction in some sci-fi games.

>>2768323
Martian Luther himself warned heavily against the Tribe and their machinations

Again, that covenant changes hands much more often than we consider

>>2768334
Hahahaha yeah it's so fukken SILLY

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/03/strange-case-lord-james-foundation-x

>>2768322
>Jew shit trumps Christ shit
Are you sure you aren't a Jew? The Old Testament has its place, but it's outdated by Jesus himself and the New Covenant
>>2768323
When you grow up with a really gay Protestant church nearby that owns a skating ramp called "the godbowl" and every morning is these fucking faggots dunking their heads in the sea when all you want is a surf it gets really fucking old

>>2767729
This. Granted I can't blame OP for not knowing that, most Christians base more of their theology on the divine comedy than they do the actual bible.

>>2768334
The more you study history of the occult and secret societies, the less fictional they become.

They are real, and they control the world's governments and the direction society/culture is headed towards.

I know it's hard to accept because many things you've been told and believed for years were a lie. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, but you'll overcome it if your quest for truth is bigger.

>>2768353
Which has been outdated by Mohammed and his covenant.

>>2768359
Nice try cunt, pretty key difference is Islam doesn't recognize Jesus as the messiah, maybe when the Jews finally get around to writing that chapter you'll have an argument

>>2768358
I wish a single group had the reigns but none exists.

The true truth is that the many power structures are constantly in a state of cold warfare which often turn hot in unexpected and catastrophic ways.

Truly there is no true hierarchy.

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>>2768353
>When you grow up with a really gay Protestant church nearby that owns a skating ramp called "the godbowl"
wew

>>2768353
Jesus was a Jew.

>outdated
Nope. All of the stories and lessons in the OT are still applicable today. It's pure wisdom and spiritual food, especially the literature books.

You can't just mutilate and cherry pick the Bible by taking away more than half of it.

I agree that we are under the New Covenant, through God's grace and mercy, but to say that the OT is done and over is retarded. It still applies as a history lesson.

>>2768369
Islam simply translates to Submit.

God realized that Christianity was too meek to truly bring about his ultimate Law. So instead of asking he sent Mohammed to MAKE the people obey.

Christianity has been largely paganized and politicized.

The very concept of Christian armies is apocryphal.

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>>2768359
>Detailed Documentary Exposing Islam (3 hours)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_VwZxN9bA

>Muhammad the World's Most Evil Man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efRRknDAuHc

>Evidence Muhammad was Demon Possessed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywOhaY-GEA

>Original Sources Koran Stole its Stories From
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhaLDYo0Kl8

>Allah = Satan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTi1FZkoEsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86PL9wueH-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLoUq8vybzY

>Why the Quran Was Revealed in Arabic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rigMARKrNDw

>Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

Now shoo, Achmed.

>>2768379
As a history lesson it applies I agree, anything beyond that you might as well don a yamulkah and cut your foreskin off
>>2768386
TAKBIR, praise be the prophet and peace be upon him

>>2768388
The only thing that accounts for Islam's rapid and ongoing spread is sanctity by God.

And it was right. Christians raised armies. That was the exact moment when God turned from them.

>>2768392
>Psalm, Proverbs and Ecclesiastes
>not great spiritual insight and wisdom

>Historical books and events
>not able to teach you how God works in certain circumstances or how to behave yourself

Not even mentioning the messianic prophecies which were all fulfilled in Christ.

>>2768388
>Evidence Muhammad was Demon Possessed

Oh yeah this seems objective

>>2768402
>JEWS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE
I think we can both agree there are many parts of the old testament that are absolutely worthless to a goy like you and me

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>>2768397
>The only thing that accounts for the Mongols' spread is sanctity by God

No you retard, it was because Byzantine and the Persians had exhausted each other through centuries of warfare, and Africa was nothing but nomadic berbers.

Islam spread with the sword, butchering its way through MENA, destroying classical civilizations, plunging Europe into the dark ages and keeping MENA in a stagnant shithole forever.

Christianity spread through love, because it's the truth.
A few years of God's divine presence and it already conquered the world.

>>2768414
Are you implying they weren't the chosen people?

God chose Abraham, which begat Isaac, which begat Jacob, which begat the 12 tribes of Israel, one of them being Judah.

>>2768414
It wasn't for goys like us. For the first time God chose a people. To do what? To obey him.

And so he granted them liscence to remove the other humans from territory to secure a land of their own.

Sadly the Jewish people stopped obeying and so pretty quickly God allowed the Romans to sack Judea and destroy their temple.

Then Judaism really became a cult based around the revenge fantasy.

>>2768417
this. The very core of Islam is hatred and oppression, a perversion of the love of Christ that a lowly camel-driver culturally appropiated to lure in more people into his false religion.

>>2768421
Yes I am saying that, how's being Jewish gone in the 1000 years again?
>pogroms
>Holocaust
>Constant missile attacks
If that's Gods chosen it seems like a bad deal to me

>>2768425
Have you read the Bible? God abandoned the Jews as his chosen because they kept disobeying him. There are specific warnings in the Leviticus that all of this shit would happen.

>>2768417
>Christianity spread through love

KEK! Initially yes you're right but that changed pretty rapidly.

The covenant for the Jews was different than the covenant for the Christians which is different than the covenant for Muslims.

God commanded the Jews to take an eye for an eye. He commanded the Christians to kill no one. Ever. At all. Kill no one.

God told Mohammed ' Okay that's it they fucked up now go make people be good again. Kill them if you have to.'

And that's where we sit today

>>2767717
Its all bullshit.
The whole thing was invented to mooch money off the miserable and the weak

>>2768435
>God told Mohammed
God did not talk to Mohammed.

Mohammed had an encounter with a demonic spirit in a cave pretending to be Gabriel, giving him seizures and "revelations" that contradicted the Bible.

>>2767946
If Lucifer gave man the gift of knowledge, does that mean knowledge is evil?
And why do satanists want to impose socialism?

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>>2768516
The knowledge of good AND evil.
We become like little gods, able to decide ourselves.

Whereas before, we were innocent and pure (which Satanists view as being kept ignorant and docile by a vindictive God).

It's a complicated issue, just watch the Mystery Babylon series by William Cooper to understand what the secret societies believe.

They want socialism because it's all about ecumenism, unity, multikult, collectivism and the destruction of sovereign nations.

The family is the building block of a nation, which is why the family is targeted so much in the U.S. by cultural marxism. Get rid of the family unit and the nation goes to shit.

>>2768464
But Jesus's revelations that contradicted the bible of his day are perfectly all right!

JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS

>>2768547
Jesus did not contradict the Bible at all.

He affirmed it and became the final, ultimate sacrifice.

>>2768464
Contradicting the Bible became necessary and the Bible was being used for very evil purposes.

Look man, the Christians lost the plot. It quickly became a political force to subjugate the rest of humanity.

>>2768558
God does not lie or change.

>>2768555
He contradicted the Old Testament. The original covenant.

Eye for an eye and stone your disobedient son became turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor.

>>2768558
As opposed to Islam, which instantly became a godless force to subjugate the rest of humanity.

>>2768574
Actually all Islam means is Submit to God.

That's it. Christianity was a big let down for the Big Guy. So he took off the velvet glove.

>>2768379
The Bible isn't ideologically consistent at all though. Reading it as the word of God and not understanding the historical context is one of the main reasons there are so many dumbfuck protestant offshoots out there

>>2768571
That's not a contradiction.

The Israelites lived under the law.
In the mean time, prophets talked about a coming messiah that would fix everything and "write the laws in our hearts".

Then comes Jesus which fulfills all the messianic prophecies and the laws to the T.

Different dispensations.

>>2768584
That's because it was created by a deceiver. What better way to condemn people to hell than to do it in the name of god?

>>2768388
Why does every conspiratard think posting a shitton of dubious youtube videos counts as an argument?

>>2768598
The Bible is the most consistent book in the world.

Being a God-hating atheist won't change that.

The natural man does not understand the things of the spirit. The cross is foolishness to those who perish, etc.

>>2768607
>dubious
False.

And judging a book by its cover is not an argument either.

This is how arguments work:
>you read/watch something
>you form a counter-argument if you disagree

>>2768608
It is not consistent lol It's a sum of two competing parts.

The Old Testament directly competes with the New.

>>2768621
The New is the continuation of the Old.

Look, it's painfully obvious you've never read the Bible. Just stop making a fool of yourself.

>>2768620
So you're arguing that you're a conspiracy nut? Great job.

Christianity doesn't make sense. It was like the comics about superman, rewrote too many times and filled with fan fiction like Trinity or Purgatory.

>>2768620
Come on son, that shit's obviously biased - all the videos have a huge ideological bent and that channel is pretty clearly partisan. I'd much rather read these theories than sit through some 4-hour long clickbait "documentary"

Because he hates man. No kidding he was expelled from haven because his ego was hurt when he senses that a near future, he would have to bow down to a "man" ( Jesus)

>>2768636
Wow, an ad hominem! You totally showed me.
I now understand the errors of my ways.

Your argument of constructive criticism has compelled me to rethink my beliefs.

>>2768531
it must be convenient believing a retarded conspiracy theory that somehow directly ties everything you disagree with to the same group of people

>>2768630
The bible is hugely important culturally/historically/aesthetically/etc but claiming it's consistent is just ridiculous. The New Testament fulfills the Old Testament, sure, but the OT is just a collection of writings from various sources. Shit contradicts itself all the time, and a lot of the books are only really worthwhile in a historical context. Clearly you're too blinded by ideology to think critically about the bible

>>2768653
Well, either you want people to think that you're a conspiracy nut, or you're terrible at arguing. Or possibly both, because you can't seriously think that anyone will watch some hours long videos made by conspiracy nuts just so they can refute some arguments you clearly don't even understand yourself.

>>2767851
>believes in the devil
>calls other people idiots
wew

>>2768669
>wants to be considered an academic
>free thinker
>doesn't have the attention span to watch hours long videos or read ghastly tomes

Oh my sweet summer child

>>2768630
Quick, how many generations from David to Jechoniah?

>>2768699
666

>>2768697
I actually have watched a couple of those videos, because I needed inspiration for a game I'm making. Gotta say that he made illuminati sound positively sensible compared to himself. At least THEY follow some sort of logical plan to their goals.

>>2768084
>wants to prosecute God in court
tippest of tips my friend

>>2768388
That picture is the most retarded thing I have ever seen.
>Every minor skirmish involving a Muslim raiding party counts as a mark
>Christianity only gets about one mark per crusade
>Muslim wars exclude wars against non-white Christians for the most part
>Christians ignore crusades and religious wars against non-Muslims for presumably the same retarded reason

>Muslims include defence of their conquests in Hispania
>Christian defence of their conquests in the Levant not included
>Despite minor skirmishes being considered a "Muslim conquest" the various wars against the Ottoman empire aren't counted as crusades

>>2768751
Yes, it was debunked multiple times like every other of his (((linked videos))).

>>2768464

>Be god
>Be all powerful
>Let evil beings exist to mislead humanity because its hilarious
>Send my son to spread my word
>A demon misleads a man into spreading the wrong faith by force resulting in billions being condemned to hell for all eternity
>Can forsee all of this because omnipotent
>Never pay this Mohammed guy a visit
>But remember I am objectively and completely good

>>2768832
>I don't understand the Bible: The Post
>I know nothing about God, but lemme put him on trial

0/10

>>2768859
>I subscribe to such an intellectually bankrupt religion that I cannot actually defend any of its contradictory precepts and instead just attack anyone who points out how dumb it is.

>>2768867
>I make empty remarks and insults about something I don't understand or know anything about

0/10

>>2768859
So why did god decide to create demons? Why did he create a situation where humanity would end up falling from grace? Why isn't Jesus perfect at spreading religion so that Christianity is universally accepted? Why would a good being give people free will and then punish them for using said free will.

>>2768891
Because of free will.

It's an ongoing experiment.

>>2768894
>It's an ongoing experiment.
And this 2 posts after making a comment about empty remarks about something you know nothing about". Don't use words like that until you grasp what an experiment is and why an omniscient deity in fact cannot do one, since he would need to have an unknown hypothesis that needs testing, which is incompatible with knowing all.

>>2768891
nothing grows without a little friction

>>2768903
I'm not that anon

Stop being a cock holster

>>2768891
He didn't.

>>2768907
But god is literally all powerful. He should be able to forsee all outcomes before he does anything. God fucking up anything implies that he is either not omnibenevolent or not omnipotent.

>>2768894
Why would God need to experiment?
He is omniscient being.

>>2768910
I made several claims there. Which ones are wrong? Clearly Jesus isn't a perfect preacher or else everyone would be Christian. Clearly god created a situation where humanity would fall because humanity fell.

>>2768915
God did not fuck up.

We did.

>>2768915
so you think creation is only about you you you?

>>2768925
He allowed people to fuck up. He put the tree of knowledge in the garden, he put Satan into the garden to tempt man. Your logic is like a parent putting an infant next to a pool and a sack of chlorine powder and then blaming the child when he either drowns or poisons himself.

>>2768928
Part of creation is about me and being a dick to even one person removes the title of omnibenevolent. This is the problem with claiming to follow a god of absolutes, if even one absolute fails than your god's entire premise fails.

>>2768928
Do you know the works of Machado?

You are the world you have created. And when you cease to exist this world that you have created, will also cease to exist.

But for those with the understanding that they are living the last days of the world death acquires a different meaning. The extinction of all reality is a concept that no resignation can encompass.

Every man that lives exists on the edge of Apocalypse. On the edge of the End of the World.

>>2768962
Free will.

God wants genuine love, not automatons/robots that are programmed to love.

You are an independent agent, your actions have consequences.

>>2768984
> God wants genuine love
> Never ever calls first or go on dates
is he an ultimate /robot/

>>2769009
well
now that you mention it

>>2768984
Except we are punished for using that free will. Lets assume that you know that god exists. You have the free will to not worship him, but not worshiping him results in him punishing you for all eternity. Even if you do worship him, that isn't love, that's fear.

Beyond that ignorance is a thing, some people either never hear the word of god, or have no reason in particular to believe the word of god over the word of Brahma or Allah.

>>2768621
>I've never read the Bible and I'm not going to but you're wrong
>>2768607
>I haven't watched the videos and aren't going to but you're wrong

>>2768068
>the Templars were influenced by the organisation they constantly killed
>the Freemasons are legitimate successors of the Templars

>>2767946
Interesting stuff Anon, can't shake the "light bearer" and the giver of knowledge to represent Prometheus from the Hellenes.

>>2769092
Not him, but how many generations are there between David and Jechoniah?

>>2768891
God did not create demons. He made them as Angels, who had a divine purpose and many gifts. Instead they betrayed God and were cast out of heaven. Now these beings exist as demons because they know their time is limited before they are punished by God, and they hate mankind since we are Gods favorite creation.

>>2768962
>>2768915
>>2768894
Free will is necessary so we can have real thoughts, emotions, personalities, and drives. God didn't create humanity to make a race of boring, slave-like yesmen. Humanity was deceived by Satan who was jealous of our position in God's eyes and fell from grace by betraying God. That is what caused sin and death to enter into this world, our mistake, not that of God.

>>2769116
Read Jesus' genealogy in Mathew, that goes back to jechoniah. I'm not going to count out each one individually for you friend.

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>>2769143
> Free will is necessary so we can have real thoughts, emotions, personalities, and drives.
Who said so? I prefer when my thoughts are determined by my personality and situation than them being at the mercy of the metaphysical dice.

>>2769143
>God did not create demons.
>He made them as Angels, who had a divine purpose and many gifts. Instead they betrayed God and were cast out of heaven.
So he let them become demons. God is omnipotent, he could have easily prevented them from rebelling or destroyed them instantly.
>we are Gods favorite creation.
Considering that humans probably go to hell at rates far higher than angels I highly doubt that.

>Free will is necessary so we can have real thoughts, emotions, personalities, and drives.
I am not arguing against free will you mongoloid I am saying your version of god is using free will as justification to be a dick. A benevolent being first off wouldn't care about being worshiped but if he had to be could just visit each and every person and say "hey its me god. I love you and only want what's best for you so worship me, pray to me, and I will check in on you every now and then." Instead your version of god goes "Oh some guy born in the Congo jungle in 1500 A.D. went to hell? Well shit I guess you should have worshiped a god you never heard of."