>white people with blonde hair >heavily tattooed >used

No one?

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Some say that Assyrian evangelists came to China during the 600s and remained until the 1400s due to persecution, or that Roman soldiers who were sent on a lost expedition settled there and assimilated over time into the Chinese population.

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>>2765295
If you think that is strange, just look at who is living there now.

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>>2765383
Oh fug

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>>2765396

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>>2765396
And the Pamiris of the Pamir mountains still have a high porportion of blondes

>>2765295
Eurasia is a big continent and easy to get around. Finding people with western ancestry in China is not more surprising than hear Huns knock on your wall.

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This is the land of the high Pamirs. The blue lapis lazuli found in Egyptian tombs came from this region.

>I've never actually met people from Central Asia: the thread

There's a rather big range of phenotypes in that area. Most are short and tanned with dark hair and eyes. But there's millions of them who are pale with light hair and light eyes. Red hair in particular is more common than you'd think, as far east as Mongolia.

>>2765418
The whites in Central Asia today are genotypically distinct from the Tarim mummies, however

>>2765418
Genghis khan had red hair didn't he?

>>2765418
I don't get out of my country much. Please tell me of your adventures in the Orient.

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>>2765295
The Indo-Iranics of the Tarim was TURKICED before being MONGOLED, MANCHUED, HANED.

Although if you count the T'ang expansion to the Tarim, they were HANED earlier too I guess.

>azns are found in Britain
>Europeans are found in China
Perhaps our ancestors simply traveled?

>>2765417
Manly af

>>2765421
Red hair and green eyes.

Its not surprising as mongolia is a hub for mix between Eurasian genes.

The most prolific historic period was during the Xiongnu confederacy which was a multi-ethnic nomadic empire/confederacy where regular intermingling was common. Mongol itself was a multiethnic empire as well. Inbetween those two period and before and after those periods, sex and procreation between the multi-racial happened regularly.

>>2765470
Why does the guy on the left look like a jew?

>>2765474
See
>>2765449
(((Sughdian Merchant)))

>>2765474
youve never heard of Lin Goldxiao?

>>2765479
No, but I've read about a shrewd 1400s Chinese merchant called Xi Wangberg

>>2765470
I wonder how long the one on the left had to wear his ear gauges.

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>>2765482
heh

>>2765449
>Tang'd
Fixed

Also Sogdian had Sogdian language, not Turkic. Before the Muslim period, the indo-iranic Tarim was Buddhacized(Indianized). The Tocharians were using brahmic script, they were converting to Buddhism. Yeuzhi/Kushans were devout Buddhists.

>>2765496
The nose knows.

>>2765417
Okay that's pretty funny

>>2765496
wtf

>>2765496
top kek

>>2765348
>>2765295
Don't any of you people actually read, or do research? Indo-Europeans introduced the Chariot and other technologies to China, which led to China becoming an organized collection of peoples.

>>2765449
Majority of Iranic people were either wiped out in Central Asia/Steppes or fled back Westwards toward what makes up Tajikistan, Afghanistan, parts of Northwestern Pakistan, and Iran and parts of the Caucasus. Not familiar with China but I imagine Hunnic/Turkic people probably wiped out the local communities of Iranics or assimilated them till they disappeared.

>>2765663
> Indo-Europeans introduced the Chariot and other technologies to China, which led to China becoming an organized collection of peoples.
>The Chinese are a civilization.
>The Indo-Euroniggers remained barbarians horseniggers
???

>>2765713
>Wiped out
The invasions weren't Holocausts, my /pol/ friend.

Especially since Nomadic Chieftains were far more happy if you just submitted and added your tribe to his confederacy.

>>2765745
Who said they were Holocasts, my false-flagging retarded friend? The displacement, assimilation, and migration of Iranics from the Steppes happened over centuries, not in a single event.

>>2765472
Xiongnu were ruled by whites (mongoloids adopted white scythian lifestyle)

the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][71] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]

In the UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta concludes that the royal tribes and kings of the Xiongnu bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language

Xiongnu art is harder to distinguish from Saka or Scythian art

>>2765857
>the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][71] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]
Except it isnt.

Xiongnu (匈奴) itself is a Chinese name already.
Meanwhile, the Chinese call the Saka 塞 (Sai).

>>2765663
>hol up we taught da chinese everything!! we wuz gods n shit

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>>2765663

>>2765887
>the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdian

in Chinese Sogdian was: 粟特 Mandarin sùtè; also "Nafupo" (納縛溥)

The Chinese used the term Sai (Chinese: 塞; Old Chinese: *sˤək), for Sakas who had moved into the Tarim Basin.
>who had moved into the Tarim Basin.

Xiongnu were a separate group of Scythians hence a different name

Chinese had called Khotan Yutian (于闐), another more native Iranian name occasionally used was Jusadanna (瞿薩旦那)

>>2765295
>very tall


No

>>2765895
>>2765914
>>2765741
The Chariot is a very specific brand of tech that did reach China from the Indo-Europeans. Other than that was possibly metalworking and much later on, horseback riding. But that was pretty much it.

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>>2765857
>mongoloid
>white scythian

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>>2765857
>>2765969

>>2765857
>According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]
This is because they drove out the Yeuzhi. Its very likely the Xiongnu rose against Yeuzhi. Xiongnu drove them out afterall. Yeuzhi were once a dominant force before the Xiongnu, so cultural similarities may have arisen from there.

>Xiongnu were ruled by whites
In the US, Afghans aren't white. Indians aren't white. Pakistanis aren't white. The Yeuzhi remnants formed the Kushan empire, afghan/pakistan/nw india. If they're not white, then Xiongnu leadership certainly couldn't be white.

If you're speaking of whether they're indo-iranian, they might be or they might not be. There is no certain way to tell.

>>2765978
>just call them indo-europeans
>and call them all Indo despite the fact they didn't originate in the Indian sub-continent, but rather because a small offshoot settled there

they were white blondes

>>2765987
nobody originated in the Indian sub-continent you ignoramus

>>2765987
They're not indo-european. They're indo-iranian. They don't speak european language or aren't from europe. They're speaking an iranic language and are from the asia.

>>2765993
>>2765978

nice strawman

white anglos moved to jamaica and fucked a few slaves, by your logic that makes jamaicans white

by your claims that makes white anglos black

>nobody originated in the Indian sub-continent you ignoramus
what are veddoids/australoids

>>2765978
>In the US, Afghans aren't white.
Not according to the US Census

>The Census Bureau defines White people as follows:

>"White" refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa. It includes people who indicated their race(s) as "White" or reported entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Arab, Moroccan or Caucasian.[2]

>Additionally, people who reported Muslim (or a sect of Islam such as Shi'ite or Sunni), Jewish, Zoroastrian, or Caucasian as their "race" in the "Some other race" section, without noting a country of origin, are automatically tallied as White.[18] The US Census considers the write-in response of "Caucasian" or "Aryan" to be a synonym for White in their ancestry code listing.[19]

>>2765295
>DNA is European

have they done genetic tests on the tarim mummies?

>>2766015
>>2765978

caucasoid is the most flexible and convenient phenotypical grouping that is extended to include superficial "caucasoids" (that actually belong to other races)

mixed groups such as north africans, middle easterners, indians, hispanics (mestizos), amerindians, ainus, east africans, central asian turkics, have all been labelled caucasoid due to weak superficial similarities.

it is ignorant and supremacist to favor the caucasoid grouping over non-caucasoid when labelling mixed groups

truth is:
north africans are a mix of west africans, east africans, mediterraneans and arabs

middle easterners are a mix of west africans, east africans, mediterraneans, iranians and indians

hispanics (mestizos) are a mix of africans, amerindians, europeans, arabs

indians are a mix of native veddoids, elamites, arabs, mongoloids, iranians

central asians are a mix of mongoloids, iranians, indians


caucasoid is misapplied as the default race for anyone that exhibits superficial traits as: straight hair, non-snub nose, non-everted lips, round eyes


fact is caucasoid grouping is abused, misused and misapplied

>>2766011
>what are veddoids/australoids
just another offshoot of early humans that migrated out of Africa as far as I know

>>2765505
>The Tocharians were using Sogdian script
ftfy

native script is:
Bactria-Margiana script and
Sogdian alphabet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria-Margiana_Archaeological_Complex#Material_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdian_alphabet

The discovery of a single tiny stone seal (known as the "Anau seal") with geometric markings from the BMAC site at Anau in Turkmenistan in 2000 led some to claim that the Bactria-Margiana complex had also developed writing, and thus may indeed be considered a literate civilization. It bears five markings strikingly similar to Chinese "small seal" characters, but such characters date from the Qin reforms of roughly 100 AD, while the Anau seal is dated by context to 2,300 BCE. It is therefore an unexplained anomaly. The only match to the Anau seal is a small jet seal of almost identical shape from Niyä (near modern Minfeng) along the southern Silk Road in Xinjiang, assumed to be from the Western Han dynasty.[11]


But in independent studies of the inscription, two experts in ancient Chinese — Dr. Qui Xigui of Beijing University and Dr. Victor H. Mair of Penn — concluded that the characters were much like a more advanced script practiced in the Western Han dynasty of 206 B.C. to A.D. 9.


Influences from Central Asia or farther west might have contributed to the invention of Chinese writing. Dr. Mair, who holds that such influences were greater than previously thought, has raised this controversial point. "The Anau seal forces us to rethink in a most radical fashion the origins of the Chinese script," he said.

>>2766015
Afghans aren't arabs. Pakistanis aren't arabs. Indians aren't arabs.

The supreme court specifically said Indians and Pakistanis aren't white in the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind.

>>2766022
Kinda defeats the purpose of what the original poster was trying to say. Using current day racial history to define historical ethnic nomadic people's race. Not only do the geo-political of the current day not exist in ancient world, even some of the linguistic groups don't exist in ancient times to classify them using modern linguistic group and modern racial theories.

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>>2766022
>caucasoid grouping is abused, misused and misapplied

It's pretty funny.

>>2766035
I think they do for census purposes.

>The legal and social definitions of whiteness in the United States have varied throughout the country's history. Persons of North African and Middle Eastern descent, for example, were classified as nonwhite until the 1940s. Conversely, persons of South Asian descent were classified as white until the 1980s, until they were reclassified as Asian. In light of survey data indicating that many people from the Middle East and North Africa do not identify, and are never perceived to be, white, the government is considering reclassifying these persons as nonwhite.

>>2765961
>>2765741
>>2765663
>silk, metallurgy, wheel, chariot, composite bow, domesticated the horse, farming techniques, equestrianism

Wheat and millet introduced to china from the west. Although westerners think of china as a solely rice-based civilization, wheat and other grains are very important in northern china even today. Also vines and wine and other foodstuffs were introduced from the west.

It is important to remember that Xi'an, the capital of the Han dynasty , is quite far west, and close to the western corridor of Gansu, which leads to the tocharians.

The importance of the horse and chariots to chinese ciliizations can not be overemphasized. It was clearly inteoduced from the west, from indoeuropeans who developed the technology.

The tocharians, bactrians, soghdians were all city based, and highly developed ciliizations. The Han dynasty refers to greek bactira as DaYuan, and chinese travellers highly praised their cities and products, and the prosperous, industrious and peaceful inhabitants. The silk road was created to trade with DaYuan.

The nomadic steppe peoples such as scythians also had aspects of highly developed civilization, such as techincally refined and beautiful gold and iron working and clothing. Also they must have corralled their horses somewhere, implying they had at least semipermanent settlements. Probly similar to how the huns had one major tentcity as their capital in europe. They werent just nomads, but probly a seminomadic civilization.

The chinese learned buddhism from the missionary efforts of grecobactrian buddhist kindgdoms and tocharians.

There are more examples of cultural and technological innovations that spread from the indoeuropean west to china, and there was a lot of back and forth even before the silk road.

>>2766043
So the South Asians aren't socially white and were only "legally" white from the 40s to 80s. 40 years.

You now realize that 80s to 2017s is almost 40 years.

>>2766049
>be prehistoric Central Asian
>member of heavy-bearded, aquiline-nosed Yamna, Afanasevo, Andronovo, Tocharian, Scythian, Bactrian, Sogdian
>invent the wheel and chariot
>first to domesticate the horse
>build prehistoric cities
>meet innocent looking Eskimo-like people in the periphery of your civilization, in the tundra
>teach them your ways of the horse and lifestyle, transfer your knowledge and technology
>they adopt and adapt to your Scythian ways
>they expand from their tundra, permafrost territory
>gradually take ownershership of Scythian clay
>for the next couple eons you fail against their onslaughts
>indigigenous Scythians of Asia is now replaced by Mongolids

>>2766088
>build prehistoric cities

No, you don't, those are villages

>>2766049
>Silk
>Hurr
Very Chinese. The Yangshao culture down south started it.

>It is important to remember that Xi'an, the capital of the Han dynasty , is quite far west, and close to the western corridor of Gansu, which leads to the tocharians.
It was only important because it was the capital of the first Emperor of China. If others won the Warring States, their capital would be held in equal esteem.

>The tocharians, bactrians, soghdians were all city based, and highly developed ciliizations. The Han dynasty refers to greek bactira as DaYuan, and chinese travellers highly praised their cities and products, and the prosperous, industrious and peaceful inhabitants. The silk road was created to trade with DaYuan.

Greeks =/= those other people.

>The nomadic steppe peoples such as scythians also had aspects of highly developed civilization, such as techincally refined and beautiful gold and iron working and clothing. Also they must have corralled their horses somewhere, implying they had at least semipermanent settlements. Probly similar to how the huns had one major tentcity as their capital in europe. They werent just nomads, but probly a seminomadic civilization.

The slur "Angmo" (Redhead) dated from that time, when Chinks thought of the Iranics as nothing more than barbarians. It's literally the oldest Chinese racial slur.

>>2766102

>the fundamentals of? civilization - organized village life, agriculture, the domestication of animals, weaving," (including mining and metal work) "originated in the oases of Central Asia long before the time of Babylon.

the Oxus civilization, Transsaxonia, Khwarezm, Herat, Bactrian, Sogdian, Sakastan, Khotan, Khasgar, Yarkand, Balkh, Merv, Trypillian civilization,
Hittite civilization etc

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/4000-year-old-Aryan-city-discovered-in-Russia/articleshow/6683681.cms

which leads us to Anau, Merv, and other ancient lost cities

>Ruins of over 150 ancient settlements dating back to the early Bronze Age (2500-1700 BCE) have been found in the Murgab delta region which covers an area of more than 3000 sq. km. and contains about 78 oases.

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/merv/gonur.htm


>We like Anau because it was occupied for almost every period. Deposits stretch from the earliest village way of life (4500 BCE) to a Bronze Age town (2300 BCE) to a walled classical city (2nd c. BCE)
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/nisa/anau.htm


>As with Gonur, Kelleli is a Bronze Age (2500-1200 BCE) settlement located some 40 km northwest of Gonur.

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/merv/gonur3.htm

>>2766107
>>2766088
>Qin
A powerful red-haired Caucasoid from the Western frontier uses Western inventions such as the chariot to invade the East and conquers all the yellow-skinned submissive Mongoloids and rules over them. He institutes strict laws and standards throughout his empire to dominate and control his subjects and this leads to the Chinese cultural identity.

>Han
Chinese Mongoloid peasants rebel and oust their Caucasoid masters and make a peasant their supreme emperor. Thanks to all the technology and culture brought to them by their Western conquerors, the Chinese experience a golden age.

>3 Kingdoms
Constant warfare between a bunch of peasants who want to be emperor. Someone writes a bullshit novel about them 1000 years later making them superheroes.

>Sui then Tang
A northern Turkic people called the Xianbei conquer all of China. Tang is another golden age where Western culture is prevalent. For instance, the beauty standard is imported from Caucasoid Turkic northerners and fat lewd chicks are seen as the ultimate sex symbol.

>Liao then Jin
Northern steppe warriors invade and conquer half of China and enslave the Chinese population.

>Yuan
Founded by Genghis Khan (who had red hair according to historical documents) and his Mongolian descendants. They first conquer Jin, which is already foreign-occupied, and then they conquer Song and rape all the Chinese women. Chinese are relegated to the lowest social class in the multi-ethnic Yuan empire.

>Ming
Chinese peasants rebel and oust the Mongols. They once again make a peasant their supreme emperor.

>Qing
Northern steppe warriors called the Manchu invade and conquer all of China and subjugate the entire population. They force all Chinese men to shave half their head and massacre 30 million Chinese.

>Modern
Japan defeats Qing in a war and liberates the Chinese from 300 years of Manchu domination. Later, Japan weakens the KMT, and Communist peasants take over China.

>>2766126
Oh yeah, some popsci articles, now you've convinced me

Besides civilization in Mesopotamia began with Eridu so much earlier than any of those weird central Asian villages.


>Ruins of over 150 ancient settlements dating back to the early Bronze Age (2500-1700 BCE) have been found in the Murgab delta region which covers an area of more than 3000 sq. km. and contains about 78 oases.

Settlements are not cities, they were not urbanized.

WE WUZ CHINKS N SHIT

>>2766134
We wuz whites

>>2766126
>Trypillian civilization

Neolithic European AKA Anatolian with some slight whg admixture, not central Asian at all.

>Hittitie

Borrowed heavily from previous Assyrian and Hattian cities in Anatolia which gave them writing, they were barbarians who took over.

>Oxus

Close enough to a civilization

literally displaced finns when the mongols came
t. finn

>>2766139
>chinese settlements are not cities, they were not urbanized
agreed

eastern europe and central asia had advanced civilizations as mentioned
Oxus civilization, Trypillian civilization (pre-dates Sumeria), Hittite civilization, Khwarezm civilization, Bactrian civilization, Sogdian civilization

>>2766164
>Trypillian
the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture


Achaeans/Hittities/Luwians were distinct from Assyrians as Chinese were from Viets/Tibets

>>2766180
>Achaeans/Hittities/Luwians were distinct from Assyrians

False, read about Assyrian colonies in Central and Eastern Anatolia, they were huge, obviously Hittities borrowed a lot from them, considering those colonies were re-occupied by the Hittities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCltepe

http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5905/

They have found like 23,500 weitten tablets in this one, which is a fuckload, it was huge.

We're talking early 2nd millenium bc, just before the Hittitie came.

> The private archives of the Karum residents have yielded 23,500 clay tablets and envelopes to date. These are the earliest written documents which illustrated the ancient Anatolian history. Life, society and economy at this site, even the family affairs and personal relationships of its inhabitants, were recorded on clay tablets in the Old Assyrian dialect of the Akkadian language using the cuneiform (wedge-shaped) script, the knowledge of which came into Anatolia with Assyrian merchants.

Unlike royal or temple archives discovered in other ancient centres, the cuneiform archives of Kültepe-Kanesh represent the single largest body of private texts in the ancient Near East. They were kept in archive rooms, neatly arranged inside clay vessels, wooden chests, wicker baskets or sacks. The fire which eventually destroyed the city must have started suddenly; as the excavations revealed many documents were still in their envelopes, before the merchants could dispatch their recently written letters or open those newly received.

>>2766043
what kind of meme map is that?

>>2766195
and Chinese borrowed even more from Scythians, Whites, Viet, India, Babylonia.

Ancient and Modern China is just a cheap imitation of Western civilization (white technology, industry, science)

>>2766195
you obviously have no understanding of Achaeans/Hittities/Luwians

back to /r/psuedohistory

>>2766237
First of, I have literally never mentioned Luwians or Acheans, you schizophrenic retarard, that was you, though I believe I know much more about them than you do, considering I've read all the publications about them I could find in academia.edu.

You're clearly a buffoon since you have brought no arguments to refute what I have just stated, so honestly I could just filter you considering you've shown to be a shitposter.

The fact that there were large Assyrian colonies in central and eastern Anatolia is a fact, and if actually knew something abou The Hittites or The history of Anatolia you should have known that, considering The first written documents found in Anatolia were from those places

>go to /R/ pseudo history

Oh sweetie, what a cute projection, The Nordicist retard telling someone stating facts that He's a pseudohistorian, how ironic.

>>2766237
cool argument

This just is, cultures borrow from other cultures, nations are not isolated.

China using a STEPPE invention (Not White Nordic) is not evidence of the ancient Chinese being 6'4 blonde haired Swedish people.

>>2765295
They were an Indo-European tribe, most certainly branched off from the proto-IE 'Urheimat' of Crimea/Caspia, who moved east instead of south or west like most of their progenitors. As such, they represent a unique isolate group of the IE linguistic tree.

They were pretty isolated for a while in the Taklamakan basin, although they did share the region with other language-culture groups. They are believed to have had two distinct cultural groups/spheres of influence, based on the two dialects of 'Tocharian' (which were closely related, but not mutually intelligible). It's possible one was a liturgical language and one was the everyday language. Traces of a third dialect have also been found in a foreign text.

Both were Buddhist, however. Most of their history they were vassals of other stronger regional powers, but they occasionally had periods of largely independent city-states. They were farmers and traders, mostly.

"Tocharians" is also definitely not what they called themselves. Various exonyms exist, which may or may not be a hint at their own names for themselves. One of the stronger proposals is that they called themselves Agni (Tocharian A) and Kuchi (Tocharian B).

Later they were absorbed by Uyghurs, who were kicked out of land further east.

>>2765383
>>2765399
>>2765398
Most, however, do have black hair. It is also somewhat popular among the more Muslim-y families to dye hair red, as Mohammed is believed by some to have had red hair.

>>2765421
It's been put forward by some. We will never know for sure because no reliable accounts or depictions exist. Again, red hair was seen as auspicious by Muslims, so anyone spoken of in legends as being powerful and charismatic might have been given red hair as part of the legend.

As mentioned by others, because the region was literally a cross-roads and melting pot, there was variability in phenotypes at the time (it's become a bit more homogenous over time, as black/dark hair and eyes are dominant genotypes). So it's possible. I'd be pretty skeptical though.

>>2765496
One of the names for Europeans by Japs at the period of early contact was literally 'Big Noses'. It became a bit of a cliché to depict them as such, even by people who had never met one.

>>2765383
>>2765390
>>2765396
>>2765398
>>2765399
B-but the ancient aryans were swarthy black haired and black eyes negroids!

>>2766227
this

>>2766266
Romans were influenced by Greeks influenced by Phoenicians influenced influenced by Hittites influenced by Babylonians influenced by Assyrians influenced by Egyptians influenced by Sumerians influenced by Elam influenced by Oxus influenced by Trypillian

thats what history is about

>>2766266
the fact that you never mentioned Luwians or Acheans proves your ignorance since they were related to Hittites and influenced the Hittites.

我们是王和狗屎!

>>2766343
this
why do anti-hittites deny Luwians, Acheans, Lycia, Lydia, Demircihüyük civilization?

>inb4 assyria

>>2765470
"muy bueno"

>>2765663
And the Chinese invented paper which "led is to becoming an organized collection of peoples". Right?

>>2766288
>Nordic
>steppe people from northern China
k e k

So the Chinese are non-Black africans?

>>2766343

What a retarded argument, I was talking about how Assyrians influenced The Hittites, Luwians showed up later in written documents since They were Not literate before 1800-1600 BC, and didnt leave much documentation behind in The BA, moreso in The EIA

>>2766380
I never denied any of them, and Lydia didnt exist yet when The Hittites were active

>>2766380
Also Lycians were Not literate until The early iron age, and by that time pro per Hittites didnt exist anymore, your knowledge isn't even Wikipedia tier and yet you call me ignorant

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Daily reminder blond aryans civilized the entire planet and there is NOTHING butthurt non whites can do to make this untrue.

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Reminder that Greeks (aka the founders of western civilization) are 80%+ non-aryan

>>2766343
>if you don't mention them you don't know about them

What? This is retarded on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

Also, please, enlighten me, what big impact did Luwians or Acheans (I suppose you mean bronze age Greeks) on Hittites?

Sure, Luwians often interacted with Hittites being their neighbours and often went to war against them, Luwians were often subjugated by the Hittite and many Luwian/West Anatolian kingdoms became Hittite vassals, such as Mira, Wilusa or the Seha river land, but how did they influence Hittites, I'm curious?

Sure they became somewhat relevant in the early iron age in former Hittite lands, but by that time the Hittites were far gone, so we can't talk about them having a big influence over the Hittites.

And the Acheans?

Sure, they intereacted with Hittites, and sometimes allied with the Luwians of West Anatolia against the Hittite empire, they did influence West Anatolia and to a small degree even South Eastern Anatolia, since we found Mycenean pottery there and the EIA Denyen/Cilicians also call themselves Ahhywana, but they didn't influence actually Hittites in Central Anatolia, rather they influenced their neighbours, so they had an influence, yes, but on Luwians, not over proper Hittites.

Meanwhile Hittites got their main script, cuneiform, from the old Assyrian colonists who had founded huge colonies in what would later be the centre of the Hittitie territory, and the Hittites re-settled former Assyrian colonies, so obviously the ones who had the biggest impact on the Hittites proper were the Assyrian, while the "Acheans" mostly influenced the Hittite neighbours on the coastal borders of the Hittite empire, but to what degree they influenced them is debatable, we have that curious Denyen/Ahhywana identification that shows up in EIA inscriptions in Cilicia, and we have Mycenean pottery and burial costums showing up in W.Anatolia and to a smaller degree Cilicia, but that's it.

>>2766049
>The chinese learned buddhism from the missionary efforts of grecobactrian buddhist kindgdoms and tocharians.
Wasn't grecobatrian Indian inherently while Indo-greek was more greek?

>>2766629
How will /pol/ ever recover?

>>2766650
>>2766629
ancient greeks not turarab rape babiea of today

>>2766648
(Continues)

It seems to me, that the Luwians were the one who borrowed the most from the Hittites, not the contrary, just looking at their fashion and monuments, it all looks copy pasted from the Hittites, who in turn obviously were clearly influenced buy the Mesopotamian/Assyrian fashion sense.

The Hittite weapons too, have much more in common with the ones employed by the Assyrian and other Near Eastern civilization, they both employed the sickle sword/kopesh, rather than the triangular European swords.

While in western Anatolia, some Aegean and central European/Italic swords (Naue II) and weapons start showing up because Acheans colonised that area, Hittites still preferred the kopesh.

EVERYONE WUZ WHITES N SHIT

>>2766648
>>2766662
>>2766489
>>2766457

>>2766339

>>2765295
>Tarim basin
>modern day China
Pick one.

>>2765663
WE

>>2766134
lmao fucking mongrel wannabe cumskin cuck.Bet you are from burgerland

>>2765300
When you get that cottonmouth after hitting the blunt

SO why are people so butthurt about Indo-Europeans literally having an influence on the rest of the world since time immemorial? You know the Silk Road was created from East Asia to Europe for a reason.

>>2767516
>asian supremicists
>hindu supremicists
>arab supremicists
>african supremicists
why do you expect everyone to be eurocentric?

>>2766362

Please learn the proper way of saying WE in Chinese

龍的傳人 - lit. descendants of dragons

黃帝子孫 or 炎黃子孫 - lit. child and grand child of Huangdi (Yellow Emperor) and Yan Emperor (two mythological kings/emperors that all subsequent emperors trace their linage to).

>>2766288
>China using a STEPPE invention (Not White Nordic) is not evidence of the ancient Chinese being 6'4 blonde haired Swedish people.
That anon didn't say ancient Chinese were white he said that ancient Chinese were ruled BY whites.

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>>2766134
Don't you ever get tired of posting stormnigger copypasta?

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>>2765496
>tfw this was how the japs saw the portuguse
>tfw portuguese

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>>2767999
Stop lowering the tone of the board with ad hominems.

Stupid cock holster

>>2768027
>Stop lowering the tone of the board with ad hominems.
The we wuzzery in this thread is already worse enough,there's no archaeological,genetic or anthropological proof of an Indo-European elite/invasion of the Chinese heartland.

I'm not even this guy >>2766107 but when someone concocts a counterargument there's no serious reply.

The WE WUZ QINZ guy is the same individual that cries about the "Mongoloid" genocide of Central Asia.

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>ancient white people of central Asia were wiped out by Turkic scum and the yellow peril
At last I truly see. Reparations when?

goddamn China utterly BTFO

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>>2766134
>Founded by Genghis Khan (who had red hair according to historical documents)
According to A historical document. Written by a Persian. Who, by his own admission, never met him. The fact is, we don't have a great idea of what he looked like. Not that it will stop you from latching on to an account of him so you can make believe that WE WUZ MONGOLS.
That same document claimed he had "the eyes of a cat", by the way. Are we to believe that he cut out a cat's eyes and replaced his own? Or was he simply part cat? Was he a felinoid or some retarded term? Stop pretending that this shit is agreed upon, historical fact.

>>2765978
>In the US, Afghans aren't white. Indians aren't white. Pakistanis aren't white
And who gives a fuck about the US?

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The Turkic conquest of Central Asia was the first white genocide.

I wonder if pockets of white people will remain in Europe when Africans take over, as the Kalash survived in Pakistan. I guess in the Carpathians, maybe, or the Alps. They will be probably become legendary stuff, I can already see black people whispering at the fireside about the legendary "pale faces" who built with steel and then disappeared.

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yeah nah

it's not the similarities that are superficial, it's the differences

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>>2766035
>Pakistanis
Those are diverse people, from very white looking Pathans (pic related) to shitskin Punjabis.

Saying Pakis are white or aren't white is retarded as they aren't a single group people.

>>2766022
>>2768208
for (You)

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>>2768212
>Saying Pakis are white or aren't white is retarded
basing taxons on photographs is what's retarded, this isn't the 19th century

we can actually see and group humans - there's things called genes, clustering algorithms etc.

it's actually not complicated
also see >>2768208

what is the reason behind denying race all of a sudden - i'm guessing the 3 million + indians and pakis in the UK, i could be wrong though, I don't know

>>2765505
But khingala worshipped mahadeva aka shiva. They were hindu also.

>>2765295

Bronze.

>>2768112
They're still being oppressed today. Chinese oppress and erase any Caucasian identity in the western China and East Asians in general keep insisting Genghis Khan was 100% East Asian man.

>>2768413
What? Why the fuck would they even do that? Outside of Mongolia, most Asians fucking hate Genghis Khan like a Carthaginian would hate Rome.
I had a Filipino girlfriends for a while and somehow Genghis khan's name came up in a movie or something once. She went off all half cocked about him being history's worst person and a punishment from God and she couldn't believe how non-Asians talk about him like any other historical figure. I asked why she cared since the mongols obviously never did a thing to the Phillipines, she said pretty much all of Asia regards him as Satan incarnate

>>2768413
we wuz mongols n sheit. them dirty chinks is trying to steal our history

>>2768194
Tocharians weren't genocided, they were slowly absorbed by Uyghurs over generations.

>>2768212
Punjabis can be pretty light-skinned. It's the desert-dwellers from the south like the Sindhi that are darkest. In any case, skin tone is highly correlated to caste (that is, Indo-European admixture).

>>2768459
Well, Filipinos are kinda dumb anon. That's probably your answer.

>>2769383
lel that's what they all say

>>2769383
>Hebrews weren't genocided, they were slowly absorbed by Christians over generations.
Do you mind if I save this for later?

>>2766324
>B-but the ancient aryans were swarthy black haired and black eyes negroids!
those aren't asryans silly, they're the uyghurs, a turkic people from central asia
turkic people originated in asia, and ended up making a notable portion of asia minor and the steppe regions of asia

>>2769491
Scythians mixed with East Asians.

>>2765295

The funny thing is the PRC conquered that area same as Tibet, and you saying it was part of China actually concedes the entire region to the communists just to prove your stupid point. This reminds me of when Xi Jinping told Trump Korea was part of China and he basically endorsed it.

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>>2768413
>They're still being oppressed today.
>Chinese oppress and erase any Caucasian identity
That's because those Caucasians are busy ignoring Chinese laws in favor of being Allahu Akbar backward scum.

>>2765914
>Every fucking dynastic cycle.
>Every fucking dynastic cycle this little whitey just sits there and gives me these stupid haplogroups and chariots

>>2768263
>i'm guessing the 3 million + indians and pakis in the UK, i could be wrong though, I don't know
Guessing from him calling P*shtun's white and P*njabi's brown he's a P*kistani-P*shtun.
>t. Pajeet

>>2765425

Not the '4eversmart' you are replying to, but I was in Kazakhstan (geologist working in nat gas industry) for about 6 months. All in all it's pretty much a complete shit hole that most people avoid.

>Weather
It's either hot as fuck or freezing cold with hurricane force winds.

>Food
Bland and boring, worse than Russian food which I didn't think was possible

>Culture
No concept of night life, men are autism-tier territorial over women. I had a guy run up and scream at me for saying "Good Morning" once after his wife(?) walked past me and smiled kek

The only people I liked there were some Mongolian-type (unsure what ethnicity, not Kazakhs though) nomads in the far north east who rode up to us while we out surveying and invited us to their camp for meat and drinks (I'm pretty sure they'd never eaten a veggie either lol) those guys were bros, Kazakhs fucking suck

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>>2766655

>>2769942

>nomads in the far north east who rode up to us while we out surveying and invited us to their camp for meat and drinks
>for meat and drinks
>drinks

Muslims drinking? Water?

>>2767208
Do you ever get tired of being constantly butthurt about Americans?

>>2766324
WE WUZ CHINKZ 'N SHIIIET

>>2770193

They weren't muslim (the Kazakhs aren't even really 'muslim' either, drunk on russian vodka/prostitution/etc). I don't remember what ethnicity they were, they spoke Kazakh to our terp but something else (but similar sounding) to each other and looked a lot more 'asian'. The meat was stewed goat and the drink was some kind of fermented milk (not very strong) probably also goat. As bad as the Kazakh food, but they get a pass because they didn't really have much to go around and were very generous to invite us at all.

I remember we nicknamed the old patriarch Aragorn, because the first question he asked our terp was something like "What news from the West?" reminded me of that scene in the two towers lol.

I really don't understand how the food in Astana was so bad, yea they are poor but I mean most Indians are poor as fuck yet they at least spice up/flavor what they have? Kazakhs? "Nah, if our ancestors didn't use it then it must be poison." Retards, the lot of them.

>>2768112
>>2768413
>Turkic people in Central Asia wiped out the ancient white people there
>Turkic people in Central Asia are those very same white people, who are still being oppressed today by the chinese
Pick one

>>2769383
this
genocide is a social construct

>>2769545
>a small group of scythians in eastern frontier got raped by mongoloids
>mongoloids kept raping and genociding whites
and all anglos mixed africans because of jamaica right?

>>2766324
Is your geography that fucked up you mixed up Central Asia and India?

>>2770394
>>2769545
>>2770307
>>2769491
>>2769383

the east scythians were white but became elliot rodgers through time until they were just chinks

same thing then repeated to west and central asia

>>2770478
They were once caucasoids who became Mongolian rape babies. Elliot roger central.

>>2770482
the mongoloids resulted in the rape and genocide of Indo-European peoples living throughout all of asia and the middle east. Central Asia is now full of pure bowleggeds and mixed race Elliot Rodgers thanks to them.

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>>2766088

>Be European
>wage war against the jews
>adopt their new religion that says turn the other cheek because it's hip
>loose your empire to germanic refugees because of tolerance
>a few hundred years later someone called Karl conquers pagan europeans and beheads those who didn't want to pray to Jesus but gives special privileges to jews including the right to have christian slaves and to practice their own religion.
>a thousand years later someone called Hitler tries to remove the money changers from Europe because of (((reasons)))
>the majority of white people ally against him and make jews great again
>fastforward to now; Holocaust denial is punishable now and refugees from non war-torn countries are destroying all of Europe
Gee... white people loosing their countries to other ethnicities? Who could see that comming?

Why is the white race so stupid and guillible?

>>2769819
Pretty sure they're Allahu Akabar because Chinese Han are displacing their homeland.

If China invades the US and takes over US and replaces the white majority to become the dominant player, wouldn't you feel a bit annoyed? What if you're not allowed to say Jesus Christ and that you must instead pray to God's second son, Hong Xiuquan. What if you're not allowed to hold power in government? What if English is replaced with Mandarin? What if travel is prohibited outside of US?

>>2770279

Kazakhstan has nomads in their eastern corner that speak kazakh and mongolian, they migrated there because they were persecuted by the soviets.

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>>2771357
> be white
> white people colonized dark continent
> everything is in order, blacks slowly develop culture and economy under control of enlightened white people
> germans spergs out because they were too busy fighting each other and therefore too late to colonize best parts
> start world war like greedy jews they are
> let literal fucking communists rule over a great power as some sort of retarded gambit to win the war
> half of civilized states collapsed, but in the end, germans were put in place and colonies under mandates
> colonial system barely survives, communism grows stronger
> germans chimp out once more, now ruled by literal meth addict who is mad about international
> war is won, but west now destroyed for sure
> colonies gain independence because all proper forces were too busy to fight butt hurt nazis and communists meddling
> fast-forward now, migrants from what would be colonies without germans and the rising left wing politics that would not gain momentum without germans ruining everything and germans are the ones who push most for that
I don't know if we even should (((germans))) as white at this point, to be honest. How one nation can be so vicious and so anti-white in their greed and envy?

In a strange place called Central Asia there were some groups of people
Their existence can only be inferred indirectly
Chinese gave them names with their weird characters and imperfect pronunciation
Chinese only incidentally mentioned them in their biased, dubious and inaccurate history
They didn't look like "Asian" people
They were not Mongols, Tartars, or Arabs
Scientists gave them names such as Turks, Iranians and caucasians, all are places far away from Asia
On a big territory that is Islamic today, they were Christian and Buddhists

They are wrong people in wrong places. That's why no one remembered them

>>2765472
>Red hair and green eyes.
ghengis khan confirmed irish

>>2765295
bump

>>2771678
>They didn't look "Asian"
k e k

>People from 1000BCE - 500 CE who lived in Asia are not "Asian" enough for Americans

>>2772547

He meant they didn't look very Mongoloid.

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>>2765295

They were indo europeans, not much left to say desu.

>>2770394
>genocide is a social construct
Genocide is a very modern thing.
Mankind did not have the tech to reach and kill whole populations in short time for most of its existence.

>>2771397
Cancer - the post.

>>2772554
They literally are from mongols.

>>2765295
>white people
Spotted amerifat

>>2772595
>european

>be China
>monopolize on technology (porcelain, silk, paper..) secrets for eons
>Europeans beg for trade secrets of Chinese technology
>fuckoffgwailo.mov
>Anglos start wars to open free trade
>allow trade on condition that your Chinese citizens move to US and learn technology of west
>ban westerners from controlling business and doing the same in your land
>continue strategy of extracting all of western science and technology secrets for the next hundred years
>copy and replace western products
>westerners transfer all technology to you
>settle Chinese in western lands
>total replacement of gwailo
>mission complete

There is some massive "WE WUZZ"-ing ITT

>>2774586
What Egypt is to black wewuzites, Central Asia is to white wewuzites.

>>2766629
thats by ancestry, not haplogroups.

>>2765470
I want a pepe and wojak edit of this picture

WE WUZ ASIANS

>>2774601
Not even a white nationalist or whatever those retards are calling themselves nowadays, but historically speaking, steppe peoples from Central Asia weren't southeast Asian like china or Korea. They certainly weren't white, like Germans or scandanavians. But if you read Roman accounts of the Huns or Persian accounts of Genghis Khan's children, they clearly weren't "Asian" like we think of asians. Even reading Chinese accounts of steppe tribes pretty clearly shows that they were taller, had different eyes, and more varying hair shades than them

>>2774646
>Haplomemes

>>2776693
>Jordanes also recounted how Priscus had described Attila the Hun, the Emperor of the Huns from 434-453, as: "Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin."[60]:182

>flat nose
>small eyes
>large head
>tanned skin
>short stature
Literally a mongol/asiatic man.

>Huns wuz whites n SHIEEET
Stop with the we wuzing god dammit. Its fucking retarded.

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>>2776693
>Even reading Chinese accounts of steppe tribes pretty clearly shows that they were taller, had different eyes, and more varying hair shades than them
Reading Chinese history will just tell you how diverse Central Asia is.

I believe that is the word you're looking for. Could've saved you a paragraph's worth of rambling.

>>2766629
>>2766629

Ancient greeks were invaded by indo europeans, all peoples in the greek region at the time of indo european invasion were conquered by them.

>>2776816
>they seem Asian to Europeans, and european to Asians
Wow, it's almost like they're a mixture of several races, not easily put in to any category. Just like I said, you utter fucking retard.

>>2776857
>Reading Chinese history will just tell you how diverse Central Asia is.
The Chinese said they're different.

Hey look, I said a simplified version of what you said in less words. Saved you half a sentence of rambling, aren't I fucking smart?

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>>2766022
this is wrong. Caucasoid is the most closely knit and well defined clusters.

IT would clearly be picked up by any unsupervised clustering algorithm.

Obviously the term has been updated since the 19th century. east africans are clearly mostly subsaharan african with like 20-30%caucasoid admixture.

but otherwise it is clearly a robust grouping or cluster.

>>2768413
Uyghurs helped the Chinese genocice the native caucasians LMAO

WE WUZ QINGZ N RICE N SHIEET

>>2765295
You do realize the most common paternal haplogroup in Western Europe migrated from somewhere in the East, right? We were East before we were West.

>>2771380
They've been allahu akbaring since 670ad though

Or do you think Islam spread there peacefully?

>>2776693
No one claims they are east/ASEAN asian

>>2776890
Different =/= Diverse. Every steppe barbarian is different to the Chinese. There was no "Asian" identity to speak of, you fucking American.

>>2776890
>The Chinese said they were different

1. Source?
2. Define "Chinese"
3. Define "different"

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> a high level of discourse is expected.
> please reference credible source material

Fuck this board and everyone in it.

>>2765455
No way, that's way too plausible.

>>2776879
Yes but their genetic makeup wasn't changed that much

>>2769480
>>2769466
Sure. Although it's wrong. After the first couple gens of Christianity, most Christians did not have Jewish roots. Have you never read the Bible or studied European and/or Near Eastern history?

But literally the Tocharians weren't genocided. Uyghur (at the time just "Turkic steppe nomads") exiles slowly moved into the area over several generations and the two groups basically intermarried. Peacefully. We don't have a lot of legends or accounts of major war (at that time), and we don't find ancient ruined cities with mass graves of skeletons with slash wounds and arrowheads and such. Tocharians weren't more than a couple hundred thousand people at any one time, max. Probably fewer. And remember they were already sharing the basin with a few other smaller ethnic groups. It was sort of inevitable that they'd merge.

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>>2777125
pic related used to be white

cont-

>>2779205
These kids had European ancestors.

>>2769913
>resentful streetshitter deciding who is or isn't white
That's rich Pajeet. Pathans are objectively white.

>>2770193
Although Islam is the major religion in central Asia, a hundred years of Russia/Soviet influence largely made most people atheist or secular. Even before Russian influence, they were relatively relaxed for muslims. Shamanistic folk beliefs, Sufism, and were widespread. Even the majority of those who call themselves Muslim today basically just go to Mosque on Friday only, and abstain from alcohol only during Ramadan, etc. Kinda like cultural Christians in the West.

They're pretty chill for muslims. Remember, it is Suadi-sponsored wahabism that's the source of a lot today's fanatic islamism.

>>2770279
What you drank was 100% certainly fermented mare's (that's a female horse) milk. Kazakh is a Turkic language, while Mongolian is a different language family. There are some superficial similarities due to close contact, but they are as separate as Russian and Portuguese.

You might have met Tuvans or Mongols, but perhaps just Turkic-speaking indigenous Siberian folks from the Russian side of the border.

Gotta say, you sound pretty dumb yourself.

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>>2779216

>>2771724
Irish confirmed Mongols.

>>2766022
Thing is we have genetic research now and don't have to rely on sperficial bullshit like phenotypes alone anymore.

proto-indo-aryan speaking peoples desu

>>2779231
>therefore hapas, mestizos, poos, abos are all white

back to >>>/pol/

>>2777125
spotted the butthurt abo

>>2779165
>>2769383
>>2772751
>plenty of mongol rape babies people still left in Central Asia and the Middle East

the reason why Tocharians vanished:

Mongoloid raids and invasions as some of the deadliest conflicts in human history.

Large areas of Asia were seriously depopulated,[6] as every city, village or town was subject to destruction. Each soldier was required to execute a certain number of persons, with the number varying according to circumstances. For example, after the conquest of Urgench, each Mongol warrior – in an army group that might have consisted of two tumens (units of 10,000) – was required to execute 100 people

Mongoloid invasions induced population extermination on a scale never seen before particularly in Central Asia and eastern Europe.

Mongol conquests anhilated 70,000,000+ 1206–1324 Eurasia
Conquests of Timerlane anhilated 20,000,000+ 1370–1405 Eurasia
Turko-Mongoloid conquests anhilated 300,000,000+ 200-1920 Eurasia

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#Mongolic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_and_conquests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe

Timur invaded Baghdad. After the capture of the city, 20,000 of its citizens were massacred. Timur ordered that every soldier should return with at least two severed human heads to show him. When they ran out of men to kill, many warriors killed prisoners captured earlier in the campaign, and when they ran out of prisoners to kill, many resorted to beheading their own wives

I wonder why people always focus only on Hitler, Stalin or Mao when it comes to barbarism and mindless slaughter, meanwhile those steppe shitholes like Mongolia and Uzbek are building monuments devoted to Tamerlane and Genghis and nobody gives a fuck. Imagine if Germans built a massive Hitler statue in the middle of Berlin today, everyone would go apeshit.

>>2779165
>talkin out your ass
>no proof
>ignoring facts

>>>/trash/

>>2768459
>Flips
>Asian

>>2780709
Time heals all wounds, I guess. Plus Timur and Genghis are local boys, gotta be proud of something. It's not like they're starved for choice of famous Mongols to build statues of...

>>2765496
Happy little merchants

>>2765326
Faggott

Europe BRED the whole fucking world. We are superior.

>>2784028
WE

>>2784028
How much superior are you compared to other whites?