When did Imperialism become such a dirty word? When did the goal

>>2735238
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>>2735238
When America and Communists became the dominant political powers.

>>2735238
>>2735261
It's true, though. Imperialism fell out of favor pretty much in line with the rise of Communism. Being anti-imperialist was one of it's most successful selling points in the early days.

Imperialism is basically the perfect example a commie could use to point out exploitation of the masses. The weaker power got exploited, the soldiers enforcing empire got exploited (to a lesser degree) and the elites sat back and watched the money and power roll in.

When the net gains of imperial administration turned into a net loss. Look at the cities of Europe. They're falling apart, swamped by immigrants from undeveloped former colonies. Anybody who looks fondly back on imperialism, for whatever reason, is a fucking autist of the highest order.

>>2737310
>Look at the cities of Europe. They're falling apart, swamped by immigrants from undeveloped former colonies.


That's not because of imperialism you fucking retard.

>>2735238
When nationalism became the norm.

>>2737513
So what brought migrants to Europe, then?

>>2735238
>When did the goal of Empire become taboo?
Think about the modern european state, Large, with large armies, and large webs of alliances, with each other, is it seriously worth fighting wars for the sake of land in a time where land isn't as valuable,gains in industrial might can be bombed (assuming the war doesn't go nuclear, in which case have fun runnning the smouldering ruin empire) where public sentiment against war is collosal, where the memories of the last two great wars are etched into our very cultures, where propoganda against the enemy becomes less effective under the internet age, where losses couldn't be higher and gainst couldn't be more in consequential, is it worth expanding empire? If we imagine a great power taking parts of africa then we're brought to the reason that the powers left their colonies in the first place, they were more trouble than they were worth, and the risk of pissing off another great power isn't worth the gains made, this fear of risking it all prevents states from making warmongering, because it's incredibly likely that what happened in the second world war would be repeated, a warmongerer put downby a coalition of states.

>>2737564
Neoliberalism and supply side, which would totally be in favour of mass immigration in order to bolster aggregate supply.

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Imperialism is objectively a good thing, they swept away petty warlords ending endemic warfare and unified the economy.

People imagine a playground bully bashing the smaller kids, it is more like 1 bully beating the shit out of all the other bullies.

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>>2735238
>When did Imperialism become such a dirty word? When did the goal of Empire become taboo?

When you realize T*rks practiced it on Europeans.

>>2735238
If you invade and colonize an area, all the problems that area faces become your problems.

People figured out that it is much easier and less costly to just buy the resources you want and/or bribe the local powers that be for a favorable arrangement.

>>2737564
Low birth rates. You can't maintain an economy that depends on debt (let alone a nation that has a ponzi socialist scheme of old age benefits) unless you keep pumping out more people forever. And low birth rates are caused by economic and social reasons, none of which have anything to do with the history of imperialism. Canada even has an immigration goal to hit 100 million by 2100, and Canada was a colony itself.

But when the modern neoliberal world order collapses will Empires return as a goal?

When Europe imperialised the fuck out of everybody and then sort of realised that genociding entire peoples and cultures just so you can "win" is kind of fucked up.

>>2735238
When modern democracies or republics freed themselves from empires.

>>2735238
Probably around the time when the whole world industrialized, populations skyrocketed, the lives of the underclasses got really comfy, and the reality of war became having to spend millions of lives and trillions of dollars to beat the enemy and take his shit but everything got destroyed in the process and now you're left with ruinous wasteland full of refugees

>>2735238
america cultural hegemony like with dictator

>>2737900
so much with Hobbes
efficient absolutism > corrupt democracy
>>2737914
>empire
>ruled over 3 empires
that's a hyper empire m8

>>2738270
You can maintain an economy that way, you just have to deal with a loss of living standards, which is what bourgeois Europeans and North-Americans don't want to do.

>>2737310
>Look at the cities of Europe. They're falling apart, swamped by immigrants from undeveloped former colonies.
>He's frightened of brown people
Though seriously, where in the world are cities more civilized than in Europe? Certainly not America with their racial violence and shootings.

>>2737799
This.

>>2737799
>Neoliberalism
Which was made by the comfiness of imperialism

>>2737914
Turks were based as fuck. They didn't take anyones shit and kept Balkannigers in their place. That's all you can ask for.

>>2735238
>When did Imperialism become such a dirty word?
When it's ideological enemies won both World Wars. Although hypocritically enough both classical liberalism (France, pre-WW 2 USA, Great Britain) and neo-liberalism (Post-WW2 USA) are extremely imperialistic. Same with Communism.

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>>2735238
When Nation-States & Self Determination became a meme and suddenly everyone wanted one, and a lot of everyone lived in Empires.

In addition, there were the colonized peoples of Colonializing Europe, who wanted out of Empires either through perceived abuse by colonial masters or buying into democracy/nationalism and thinking they should have their own place in the sun too.

>>2735261
>>2736811
>Imperialism fell out of favor pretty much in line with the rise of Communism.
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>>2741685
That map doesn't even know where North Ossetia is.

>>2741697
It does, it just doesn't know it's South Ossetia in Georgia, not North Ossetia in Russia, that has been virtually independent since the 90s and de facto independent since 2008.

>>2738270
The migrant crisis wouldn't have happened were it not for the fall of the Libyan regime and regime change policy for Syria.