What if Lief Erikson had brought diseases to the New World before

interesting, go on...

>>2711842
It still would have been a cataclysmic event for them even if the Vikings did fuck off back to Iceland. It's debatable that their greater numbers would've really meant anything though, if the example of the Aztecs who were pretty thoroughly BTFO before the first smallpox epidemic is anything to go by.

It's also entirely possible that there still would've been epidemic diseases introduced to the Americas by the Euros, just different ones, given how much time passed between the Vinland colony being abandoned and Columbus' voyage.

Let it go Pablo.

astonishing how disease itself has been our ally

>>2711842

Yes, the population of the New World would still be mostly Red if this had happened, just as the population of colonized Africa is still mostly niggers.

>>2711842
>What if Lief Erikson had brought diseases to the New World before Columbus did?
Nothing

a few tribal monkeys in the frozen wastes of Canada would die off and that would be the end of that

>>2711842

they didnt have enough guns, which only make germs and steel work in combination with them.

>>2713027
Impressive analysis. This is a true historian right here!

>>2713005
>Quebec & New England
>Frozen waste

Only injuns with corn traded with meso-america. Vinland injuns i don't think had it, so it would have never spread to any civilized area.

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>>2711879
>before

That was after.

Also, people like to imply Amerindians were a single homogeneous group, when in reality they were different political and cultural groups. For some, the Europeans were no different than their American neighbours, both spoke a different language, both wanted to kill them, and so on and on.

Even if you take out the diseases from the equation, the Aztecs still had tons of enemies who would ally themselves with the Spaniards, and they would still have retarded leaders who would believe the Spaniards lies and let them destroy them from the inside. Of course, that's just one example.

At the end of the day, what allowed the Spaniards and other Europeans to "conquer" America, was the ingenuity of the Amerindians regarding the Europeans intentions. With proper organization and treating the Europeans as enemies since the beginning, almost every American tribe, nation and kingdom could have been perfectly capable of fending off the Europeans.

>>2713113
>Only injuns with corn traded with meso-america
other way around.

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The Viking Kingdoms Of Ferskvann Sjoen

1000 A.D. - the Viking colonists and some visiting traders at the L'Anse aux Meadows
settlement in Newfoundland, eat some bad mushrooms and collectively hallucinate Odin
ordering them to leave the island and move inland to the "Ferskvann Sjoen" [1] and the
entire settlement [2] packs up all their stuff and sails up the St.Lawrence River.

When Viking traders from Greenland arrive some months later, they find the settlement
abandoned and figure the Skrælings killed everybody and never return to N.America
as per the original timeline.

Meanwhile, the Vikings from L'Anse aux Meadows make their way up the St.Lawrence
River, thru Lake Ontario, portaging the Niagara Falls and thru Lake Erie, up past OTL
Detroit and thru Lake Huron to settle on Mackinaw Island and by the grace of the Gods,
[3] all off them survive and a new settlement is begun on the island.

While the Vikings are initially wary of the Skrælings and vice versa, they manage
to avoid any serious conflicts and inevitably, Viking men take Indian brides and the
settlement soon has enough people to maintain an effective population size.

As the years go by, the Vikings eventually expand, [4] forming new settlements along
the shores of OTL Michigan, Ontario and Wisconsin, using their ships and boats on
the lakes and rivers to maintain contact and trade (but not settling outside of the
Great Lakes basin).

Fast-forward to October 2, 1535 A.D. - On his 2nd voyage to the New World, Jacques
Cartier lands at the Iroquois settlement of Hochelaga (OLT Montreal) and is shocked
discover several Viking traders there.

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>>2717250

[1] Fresh Water Sea = The Great Lakes

[2] from Wiki: "There is no way of knowing how many men and women lived at the site
at any given time, however archaeological evidence of the dwellings suggest it had the
capacity of supporting 30 to 160 individuals."

Lets say it's 200 people total, 125 men and 75 women and all their tools, animals, seeds,
ships and boats, etc.

[3] They got lucky

[4] Absorbing some Indian tribes, wiping out others but I'd guess Old World diseases
introduced by the Vikings would have taken out of most of them as in OTL.

This is a good thread OP, post more of your scenario

I dont think it would of made a difference, after the initial die off, the survivors would have the immunities against the foreign diseases. However the new generations born after the diseases spread wouldnt have had the same immunities, and so would have been wrecked again a couple hundred years later.
I think a more interesting theory would have been, what if they had left a breeding population of horses...

>>2711914
White people truly are a disease

>>2719964
fuck you shitskin

>>2717251
I doubt the vikings would have remained "pure" after settling in America, and after a few generations of race mixing, they would have become yet another amerindian tribe, only slightly lighter skinned