Why does no one care about the 1.6 billion people killed by capitalism?

>>2710610

British Imperialism:
Second Boer War 75,000
Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
The Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
British Occupation of India 20,000,000
Famine in Held British India 30,000,000

Misc. Capitalist nations:
Massacre of the Paris Commune 20,000
Dutch East Indies 25,000
Somali Child Famine Deaths 29,000
228 Massacre 30,000
French Madagascar 80,000
Indonesian Anti-Communist Purges 1965-1966 1,000,000
Philippine Insurrection 220,000
Franco Regime 300,000
Benito Mussolini regime 300,000
Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
Nanking Massacre 300,000
Spanish Civil War 400,000
Mussolini’s Ethiopia 700,000
Palestinians Killed by Israel 1947-2002 826,626
Nigerian Civil War 1,000,000
Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
Rawandan Genocide 1,000,000
Belgian Congo Colonization 10,000,000
Feudal Russia 1,066,000
First Indochina 1946-1954 1,750,000
Khmer Rouge (not communist) 2,035,000
South African Apartheid 3,500,000
Chiang Kai Shek regime (China) 7,000,000
Congo 1886-1908 8,000,000
Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
Post-Soviet Capitalism in Russia 1,500,000
World War One 16,500,000
World War Two 60,000,000

General Disasters by Capitalism:
Hamburg Cholera Outbreak 1892 10,000
Union Carbide Bophal Disaster 15,000
Industrial Revolution Kids & Adults USA 100,000
Chetnik Collaboration & Genocide 100,000
Herero and Namaqua Genocide 110,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
Albanian Genocide 270,000
Fascist Independent State of Croatia 900,000
Armenian Genocide 1,500,000
Famine of 1932-33 (Kulak policy and weather) 7,000,000
Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
Children Killed by Preventable Diseases Since 9/11 208,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger 2001-2008 9/11 235,000,000
Children Died from Hunger 2009 5,256,000
Children Died from Hunger 2010 6,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
Capitalist Policy in India 1947 – 1990 120,000,000
Cigarette Related Deaths Worldwide (1960 – 2011) 306,000,000

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Got anymore Comrade?

>>2710610
Propaganda is extremely effective

>>2710610
Most of these deaths are more attributed to fascism than capitalism

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Marxism was a huge mistake.

Where do you get these numbers from?

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>>2710610
Because people are retarded but not that retarded

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>commie cucks attribute deaths by cholera and hurricane to capitalism

>American War of Independence
>Feudal Russia
Comrade! You're forgetting

Fall of Constantinople 10000000
Fall of the Roman Empire 100000000
Carthage 600000000
Babylonian captivity of Israel 6000000
Conquest of Canaan 100000000000
The war between the Olympians and the Titans 100000000000000
Abel 1

>>2710904
And don't forget :
Hyper War 1000000000000000000000000

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>big ocean storm caused by capitalism
Really gets the grapes jamming

>>2710932
My neighbor choked on a lump. +1 on capitalism's death toll.

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>>2710904

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If a communist mismanaging crops leads to starvation and can be blamed on communism, why can't capitalism be blamed when similar things happen? Answer honestly. Protip: you can't.

>>2710904
>Not mentioning the flood 10^16

What are you some kind of bourgeois reactionary?

>>2711010

>How is popping a tire different from slashing a tire?

>>2711010
Because in a communist society communist governments are responsible for those people. In a capitalist society the government is legally required to give as much of a fuck about those people as their voted representatives chose to give a fuck about them. (Also why are we comparing communism to capitalism shouldn't it be democracy to communism because capitalism is just a form of economic state while communism is an entire national state?)

>comparing every "Capitalist" country ever to the small handful of Communist countries
>the Capitalists death toll is higher

wow really insightful makes you think...

>>2711010
Because when a communist can't distribute goods and services and it leads to people dying it's a bug of the sysyem, when a capitalist doesn't distribute good and services because it's not profitable and it leads to people dying it's a feature of the system.

>>2711010
Failing crops in capitalism is a private issue. In communism it is a public one. You can't blame society if your business goes bankrupt, but you can blame it if you're forced into a retarded economic system at gunpoint.

>>2711010
The communist is the guy holding a knife and calmly slicing a holiday ham, the capitalist is the disheveled guy gibbering to himself slashing the knife wildly in the air. When the capitalist causes people to die it's simply accepted as a fact of life.

I once tripped and hurt my knee. How long will capitalism keep getting away with this?

>>2711086
>you tripped over a can of coke
>produced by a PRIVATELY OWNED factory
>Coca Cola is directly responsible for your busted knee
Fucking bourgeoise need to hang

You're literally just making up numbers. Or probably copy-pasting them from some commie's blog.

>>2711081
Or the guy calmly ordering the deaths of millions to suit their ridiculous ideology.

>>2711114
He would have never have tripped on a can of glorious soda drink number 3, flavor 11, color 7. Specially because, due to food shortages... I mean fascist sabotage, only higher-ranking party officers got any this year.

As seen on Occupy Democrats facebook page thread

>>2711081
This argument is so retarded the only place where we can begin is by you killing yourself.

>>2710872

Stupid faggot.

>Faced by major health challenges, the Hamburg authorities’ reaction was to prevent disruption to commerce. This resulted in neglect or delay in implementing necessary public measures. The presence of cholera in August 1892 provoked a characteristic series of bungles, diversionary manoeuvres and prevarications in the Hamburg medical and political establishments, which prevented initiatives being taken until well after an enormous proportion of the (mainly working class) population had died. Evans' attention to a major epidemic is thus adjusted to explore a salient trend within nineteenth-century capitalist administration: its prolonged resistance to natural pressures exerted by a rapidly enlarging urban population.

http://www.historytoday.com/macdonald-daly/death-hamburg

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How can an economic philosophy be compared to a political one? And please don't reply with anything about "marxian economics," because honestly, name me one socialist state that fully utilises marxian economics, otherwise you're just comparing apples to oranges.

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>Capitalism: The voluntarily exchange of goods and services in exchange for currency.
>Communism: The belief that workers will randomly decide to kill all burgissi, a loosely defined and arbitrary concept.

>These two can be compared.

>>2712695

>capitalism
>voluntary

Tell that to a sweatshop worker

>>2712696
>Implying they're forced

>>2710790
So US isn't a TRUE capitalist and the death it caused are from fascism?

probably because for all the harm capitalism has caused, its probably done as much good, while every single communist attempt at being a state has gone terribly wrong
>inb4 some memelord goes on about china and cuba

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>>2712696
>i have no idea what capitalism is
trading your lunch with a kid at the school cafeteria can be considered capitalism

>>2710790
Fascism isn't an economic system

>>2712854
Only if you're a literal retard and know literally nothing about economics

When Adam Smith was writing about the rise of capitalism he was not speaking of simply "trade" nor was Marx's body of work written against trade.

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>it's another "socialists get btfo in their own thread" thread

>>2710904
and last but not least
the finno korean hyperwar 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

>>2712882
>the Goose has a scene from the Giving Tree tattooed on his arm

Shit story t b h

>>2712876
my point is capitalism has been around for probably about as long as societies have existed even if it was a primitive form

>>2712882

No one's even attempted to refute OP.

>>2710610
>>2710613
These were created by the State, not capitalism.

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>>2712940
OP is retarded and should kill himself.

There's your refutation.

>>2710829
His ass

>>2710610
>all imperialism = capitalism
>all wars and war crimes = capitalism
Well meme'd, my friend.

>>2710610
Post sources

>>2710921
Why did this make me laugh

>Deaths that happen under capitalism are directly a consequence of it

People that died in non-communistic societies: 100 billion

People that died in communistic societies (which were never tried out btw): 0

Non-communism BTFO much?

>>2710610
Because it wasn't capitalism. It was the protected race known as the chosen

>US Bombing of Yugoslavia
>300k
huh?

What about car accidents?
We let millions of people kill themselves every year because we "want to drive fast."
If people just drove more slowly and cautiously there wouldn't be nearly as many deaths.

>>2710610
Wtf I love communism now ?

>>2713481
This. Since Real Communism TM has never been tried, OP should count the victims of Stalin, Mao etc as victims of capitalism too!

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>>2710610
>Hurricane Katrina

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>>2710610
>blaming cigarettes on Capitalism
>blaming the World Wars, Facist Genocides, and Imperial Japanese deaths on Facism
>blaming literal fucking Kulak deaths on Capitalism

>>2712940
Because most of those deaths were the direct result of natural disasters and diseases, not because of capitalism. It would have happened in a socialistic society (or a fascistic society) as well.

>>2710610
>>2710613
Nice, commie. Now, what were Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot's K/D again?

>Bombing of Yugoslavia
Yes! Serbs and other slavfags are the niggers of Europe!

>>2715969
None of those people were communists, they were state capitalists.

>>2711081

HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TRYING TO SAY?

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>capitalism is a government system rather than a system of economy

Are you talking about liberalism? Democracy? Shiggy.

>>2711045
>Capitalism = democracy

Hmm

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>>2718459
>transition state

>>2710790
Fascism is just a particularly edgy capitalism

>>2711126
No communist leader has ever ordered millions to die except maybe Pol Pot, but even then most research suggests that Cambodian atrocities were mostly the work of the cadres acting independently

>>2712714
>Do this or starve
>Not forced
Slaves have always had the option of suicide, anon.

>>2718823
USSR did not kill more people than the Third Reich no matter how you slice it

>>2710610
>>2710613
That wasn't real capitalism.

>>2710610
>US Concentration Camps of Germans 1,000,000
This is how I know you're shitposting
Only around 10,000 Germans died in the Rhineland POW camps

>>2710610

>Native American Genocide 114,000,000
>African Slave Trade 150,000,000

Still waiting for the sources on that.

Capitalism BTFO

Capitalism doesn't even exist.

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>>2718841
Are you 15?

Natural disaster = Capitalism

Lmao ok

>>2710829
>what is google

Fucking Wikipedia, dumbass.

>>2718841
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendicant

Is anyone taking total population into account? If we take a country of 100,000 where 80,000 were killed and another of 500,000,000 where 200,000 were killed the first one is the criminal one (or at least worse), not the second

>>2710610
Why does no one care about the trillions of people killed by other people?

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Capitalism (A.K.A the freedom of normal people to make whatever economic transactions they can mutually agree to) is a negative right.

Negative rights cannot "kill people". You cannot blame a negative right for anything.

>>2722240
No. Capitalism = if you have the money you have everything and every rights, if you don't you don't have nothing.

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>>2721427
Clearly not, let's take the Korean War estimate as an example:

>10 million killed
Wikipedia's upper limit puts it at just under 3 million killed (2,852,286), you would be very hard pressed to find an estimate of even half of what OP stated.

>>2718835
this

>>2712910
What you're calling capitalism is not what Smith, Marx etc are referring to when they say capitalism

>Capitalism
>Not countries with various economic systems

>>2712910
Capitalism =/= individual transactions

>>2718849
But they did

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>>2711081
niggawhat

Marxists always sound like small children, incapable of tending to their own needs. Like small children, they cry and moan to those with the capability of producing something useful in this world in hopes that their contribution will be enough to provide for their inept existence. They even threaten revolution and violence when they don't get their way, like a child that throws a tantrum when they can't get their treat.

People don't stratify economically for no reason. Some people are more useful to others. Some families have been more useful for longer than other families. This isn't exploitation. This is a consequence of different people having different skills, strategies and values. You could perhaps have argued before the invention of the internet that it was the monopolization of those successful skills and strategies that was exploitative, but that would be same thing as arguing that people should be required to teach to the public everything they know. Regardless, now the information needed to be successful in this life is available to just about every man and all they have to do is grasp it. Maybe with this new information distribution system, we can finally rid the world of this destructive idea.
It is telling that the modern countries most responsible for censoring the internet from their citizens are the former and current commies.

>Communist government murders millions of people in the name of communism
>Nothing to do with communism

>A fire breaks out in a capitalist country and a few hundred people die
>It's all capitalism's fault

wew

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>>2710610
>US Concentration Camps of Germans 1,000,000

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>>2722720
Hitler killed dozens of millions of civilians and soldiers in his attempt to conquer Europe and sent millions of his own people to their deaths. This was without having to deal with a famine in his territory. Every death attributable to the Nazi regime was somebody directly shot or gassed or blasted to pieces by German soldiers.

Stalin tops off at 20 million, and that's only if you use high estimates for famine deaths and attribute to him every single person who died in a Gulag. In addition, he was in power for twice as long as Hitler. Most reasonable estimates for Stalin attribute to him 8-14 million from 1927 to 1953. Famine deaths are so uncertain that it's hard to know.

>>2722926
Disingenuous. Constantly under capitalism, demands of food exportation cause people to starve to death. This happened in Ireland, Persia, and Bengal, and that's just under British policy!