Was Irgun a fascist organization? What links did it have to

NAZBOL ISRAEL

>>2681040
Its a paramilitary terrorist organisation

>>2681040
You know that's Woodrow Wilson right

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Yes it was the first physical iteration of the secular revisionist zionist movement.

This movement was the formation cauldron that Likud appeared from.

Now, that said, without Irgun there is little chance that Israel exists today as an autonomous jewish State.

>>2681051
It was actually a nationalist separatist militia.

They attacked military targets, not civilian.

And there is a large difference. States have militaries to enforce their will via political violence as well.

Heil Zion
Heil gold and meir

>>2681089
>They attacked military targets, not civilian.

they did attack civilian
it was terrorism no matter how you spin it

June 30, 1924. Dutch Jew Jacob Israël de Haan was assassinated by Avraham Tehomi on the orders of Haganah leader Yitzhak Ben-Zvi[37] for his anti-Zionist political activities and contacts with Arab leaders.[38]
1937–1939 The Irgun conducted a campaign of violence against Palestinian Arab civilians resulting in the deaths of at least 250.[39][40]
July 15, 1938* A bomb left in the vegetable market in Jerusalem by the Irgun injured 28.[41]
July 25, 1938* The Irgun threw a bomb into the melon market in Haifa resulting in 49 deaths.[42]
November 6, 1944 Lehi assassinated British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo, Egypt. The action was condemned by the Yishuv at the time, but the bodies of the assassins were brought home from Egypt in 1975 to a state funeral and burial on Mount Herzl.[43]
1944–1945 The killings of several suspected collaborators with the Haganah and the British mandate government during the Hunting Season.
1946' Letter bombs sent to British officials, including foreign minister Ernst Bevin, by Lehi.
July 26, 1946 The bombing of British administrative headquarters at the King David Hotel, killing 91 people — 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 others. Around 45 people were injured. In the literature about the practice and history of terrorism, it has been called one of the most lethal terrorist attacks of the 20th century.[44]
1946 Railways and British military airfields were attacked several times.
October 31, 1946 The bombing by the Irgun of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured.[45]

>>2681108
July 25, 1947 The Sergeants affair: When death sentences were passed on two Irgun members, the Irgun kidnapped Sgt. Clifford Martin and Sgt. Mervyn Paice and threatened to kill them in retaliation if the sentences were carried out. When the threat was ignored, the hostages were killed. Afterwards, their bodies were taken to an orange grove and left hanging by the neck from trees. An improvised explosive device was set. This went off when one of the bodies was cut down, seriously wounding a British officer.[47]
December 1947 – March 1948 Numerous attacks on Palestinian Arabs in the context of civil war after the vote of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.
'1947 Letter bombs sent to the Truman White House by Lehi.
January 5–6, 1948 The Semiramis Hotel bombing, carried out by the Haganah (or, according to some sources, Irgun) resulted in the deaths of 24 to 26 people.
April 1948 The Deir Yassin massacre carried out by the Irgun and Lehi, killed between 107 and 120 Palestinian villagers,[48] the estimate generally accepted by scholars.[49][50]
September 17, 1948 Lehi assassination of the United Nations mediator Folke Bernadotte,[51][52] whom Lehi accused of a pro-Arab stance during the cease-fire negotiations.

>>2681095
Like it or not the Jewish people were facing an existential crisis on Earth.

Facing the reality of European brutality during two World wars and centuries of contention and increasing secularism and disillusionment the Jewish people arguably had to act or die out as a unique culture.

Check out the Dreyfuss Affair. Whether you believe him guilty or innocent it was the reactive and reliable contention behind Jew and European that caused Herzl to become disillusioned with things.

Herzl started out as a complete Germophile after all. He was taught not to be. By Germans.

The problem was that if a Jew in Poland committed a transgression Jews in France and Germany would be collectively punished.

In many ways Jewish partial exodus from Europe was catalyzed by Europe itself.

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>>2681089
Yeah right
Thats how every terrorist will be remembered if they won

>>2681108
Political agents are not civilian targets. They are valid representations of State politic force.

However you are correct the increasing contention between the Aliyah population and the present Arab population did lead to violence.

However that's hard to pin on Irgun as an organized movement rather than just reactionary violence.

>>2681135
State agents are legitimate military targets. I'm sorry but it's the truth.

Military and Political actors are the State, represent the State and thus risk exposure to reprisals against State transgressions.

>>2681136
>>2681149
using violence for political ends, especially on such a scale, is literally terrorism

>>2681136
explain the bombing marketplace and massacring villages then, what political objective are they trying to achieve with these?

also are you saying these bombing arent organized somehow? how? they planned the bombing in advance

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>>2681164
You don't understand revolutionary battle doctrine.

Every State uses force to attain political aims.

You just called every police officer with a gun a political terrorist because they use violence to enforce political impetus.

It's a fascinating field of study.

>>2681179
that still doesnt justify killing civilians schlomo

>>2681179
The primary purpose of police force is to maintain societal order, not pursue expressly political ends
You cannot deny Irgun was a terrorist organization

>>2681172
Attacking financial targets is of course a necessary part of Warfare. Which is why the USA in the first Iraq war bombed ancient date fields that had existed for thousands of years.

War is just politics. By kinetic means.

Do you know what Louis the XIV had inscribed on his cannons?

>The last argument of Kings

That said, when two political States begin kinetic warfare civilian populations are always encouraged to vacate the battlefield.

Those that do not can often be considered partisan.

>>2681188
>The primary purpose of police force is to maintain societal order, not pursue expressly political ends

That's highly arguable.

>You cannot deny Irgun was a terrorist organization

I can and I do. There is a vast difference between non-involved civilians and active partisans

>>2681192
>battlefield

it was a fucking melon market. stop trying to justify terrorist bombing

>>2681204
How are they not terrorists? Many civilians died.

>>2681192
That's the most Jewish / neocon thing I read today
No wonder people hate you

>>2681212
It was a financial apparatus of the British occupation by which the British political and military agents acquired wealth from the region.

It's like killing tax collectors.

>>2681213
They were arguably Partisan by that point.

Do you know who the Partisans and civilians on modern Syria are?

The civilians are no longer in Syria. Parstisan forces remain in an active war zone.

>>2681225
>arabs in a market
>PARTISANS

>>2681218
I'm not Jewish and have only practical interest in Israel.

I'm simply intellectually honest.

War is absolute hell. One should never linger in an active battlefield.

>>2681228
It was, whether you like it or not, a political financial military target.

>>2681235
They could have, y'know, warned the people there so they destroyed the infrastructure without killing civilians whose only crime was buying melons

>>2681239
That exact tactic has been part of Israeli battle doctrine for decades now.

They make every effort to contact Partisans today, calling them on cell phones and even commonly sending 'loud knock' non-explosive artillery to smack the top of a building before the munitions come.

>>2681252
>for decades now
Hmmmm

>>2681230
How does bombing a place in the middle of a city count as active battlefield?
Does 9/11 count as active battlefield?
Idiot

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Some real tough jews.

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>>2681230
>tfw

>>2681263
War should be avoided at all costs.

Diplomacy is too often abandoned far too early. That said, once War has been commenced cities are obviously State infrastructure and valid targets.

You ask if 9/11 was terrorism or legitimate?

I ask if the actors involved represented State political force or if it was merely reprisal.

If merely reprisal against the civilian population without a valid political aim then it was terrorism.

World TRADE Center does indicate it being a political attack against the financial apparatus.

>>2681266
look at these subhuman rat faced kike

>>2681286
Jesus Christ you're retarded
>bush took a shit in this toilet once, it's justified to kill everyone within a 500 mile radius

>>2681287
If you can't lay aside emotion and objectively see that they have done with a level of admiration I don't know what to say.

>reddit spacing

i wish all these kikes would fuck off back to r
*ddit desu

>>2681292
War is hell.

If you really want to know the impetus behind the 9/11 attacks it's actually dynastic in nature.

Dynastic control over the oil industry. 9/11 had less to do with America as a State and far more to do with who the Bushes are and how they made their wealth.

Never forget that Bin Laden himself came from an oil family or that the remainder of his family was provided safe departure front the United States during a complete airspace closure.

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>>2681306
>tfw no one understand war but me, and I'm like sooooo smart and Machiavellian and stuff

Not Fascist, but gladly sided with fascists against the Brits.

The Lehi were the legit fascists and the Likud willingly sided with them against the British. (At the same time they did give some token resistance to the Nazis)

>>2681344
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Beatings

>>2681350
All fascism happens to be is an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Igun fits that description.

Only the Left demonizes fascism.

>>2681392
Fascism is a more centrist movement. The Irgun/Likud has never been publicly opposed to free markets

>>2681400
I'm just going off of pure definitions.

Adding anything to the word is separate and often associated with political reasons.

>>2681491
>pure definitions
Nah, Mussolini and Hitler were anticapitalists