Would germany had still been fascist if they didn't

>>2663541
Maybe, can't say for sure

>>2663541

Probably. Gommunism collapsed in Russia largely because of the mis-steps of Gorbachev, it's perfectly possible for Germany (or Russia) to have remained a dictatorship down to the modern day.

they weren't fascist, they were National Socialists.

Almost as bad as calling all radically left-wing governments "gommunis"

>>2663541
They would have turned to some form of Socialism after the economy collapsed.

>>2663554
National Socialism is a form of fascism

>>2663571
Ancient Rome was also fascist.

>>2663571

no its not.

fascism refers specifically to mussolini's corporate syndicalism

>>2663586
>muh autism

To you, maybe, but to the entire rest of the human race, no. Fascism is a blanket term for all ultranationalist palingenetic regimes, from Mussolini to Hitler to Salassar.,

>>2663617
So we should call all forms of communism Stalinism, right?

>>2663617
Exxagerated demonization lol

>an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization

That's all folks. It's not so scary. Shit we spent the last 8 years under a form if this from the Left wing. Where the President to the United States signed in many social laws seen as unpopular or at least beyond the scope of the Executive Branch.

Obama was very authoritarian.

>>2663541
Their entire economy would've collapsed, because it was built around militarization for the purpose of invading other countries to recoup the investment into militarization.

A collapse of the economy without a total overhaul of the economic system would've led either to extreme repression, which people usually grow tired of eventually, or revolution.

>>2663571
National Socialism rejected Hegelianism, Fascism embraced Hegelian Idealism (see Gentile) to attack positivism. National Socialism emerges from Spengler's "Prussian Socialism", Fascism from Anarcho-Syndicalism (attenuating into National-Syndicalism after the failure of the Bolshevik revolution). National Socialism emerged in an industrial society and in many ways REJECTED that industrialism, or at least attempted to balance it with esoteric aryan ultra-traditionalism, Fascism emerged in a pre-industrial society and its primary purpose as an ideology was to industrialise Italy. National Socialism is an anti-modernist ideology, Fascism is an explicitly modernist ideology. National Socialism was esoteric, Fascism exoteric. etc. etc.

>>2663617
Hitler's nationhood was ethnic and Mussolini's was civic. Real reactionaries (Evola) reject the nation-state since it is a liberal-enlightenment construct from the French Revolution. So are you telling me that any nationalist, civic or ethnic, and anyone that rejects the nation, is "fascist"? by your logic everyone is fascist, including the nationalists of the 18th century... are you antifa?

Fascism relates to a group of political ideas developed from futurism, hegelianism, anarcho-syndicalism, and existentialism (fascism is in many ways the completion of the existential journey).

National Socialism is very much distinct from Fascism, as it is from Liberal-Nationalism, monarchy, aristocratic-republicanism, etc. You're just being imprecise.

basically this >>2663629

>>2663638
No form of fascism has not been totalitarian. A definition without the totalitarian aspect is incomplete.

The United States has never been totalitarian.

>>2663629
By the same argument from >>2663697 >>2663629, you could conclude that Stalinism is not a form of communism, which I think everyone would disagree with.

>>2663753

>No form of fascism has not been totalitarian. A definition without the totalitarian aspect is incomplete.

almost every state in history have been totalitarian

>The United States has never been totalitarian.

Its been totalitarian for over a century

File: north korea dogleash.jpg (25KB, 640x640px) Image search: [Google]

25KB, 640x640px

>>2663541

They'd probably be a pariah state like North Korea that everyone just sits, laughs, and occasionally throws money at to make them stop saber-rattling.

>>2663617
>Salassar.,
He was not a fascist. Neither was Franco. Ps kys