Titanic sank exactly 107 years ago tomorrow >Largest ship

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Also, Titanic general I guess seeing as the Anniversary is coming up.

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>>2658504
Nature reigns supreme, you you industrialist bourgeois swine! All must wither and eventually be crushed by her great hands.

Good and evil are meaningless when time kills all.

>>2658504
>Why does time chip away at everything ;_;
One day the entire universe will be dead.

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I dunno why but look at this meme

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>>2658518
Right on!

>Why does time chip away at everything
Absolutely nothing is permanent, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Keep a record and move on, it makes room for new shit.

>>2658561
Say, that's a pretty good meme!

>>2658504
I heard that the titanic and the iceberg played football in a brief truce before she sank

I like letting this run in the background sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9w5bgtJC8

To all the people who are going to come into this thread and say "If they rammed right into the iceberg it wouldn't have sunk!".

Yeah just don't. They wanted to avoid it entirely if they could which is why they didn't. It would have totally smashed up the front of the ship and wouldn't have worked other than the entire ship might not have sunk.

What are some incredibly preserved shipwrecks? Both the ones still underwater and the ones they raised.

>>2659037
The Britannic is still in pretty good shape.

>>2658518

Nature ain't got shit on humanity.

Similarly we ain't got shit on nature.

Can't destroy yourself after all.

>ice((((((((((((berg)))))))))))

>>2659158
Ice can't melt steel hulls!

Fire is one of the things that helped to make him fall

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>>2659037
Vasa

Anyone else been catching the Titanic: Honor and Glory podcasts this week?

The "Clearing their Names" podcast is my favorite so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3d1WWeBK0A

despite the

>echo

First, the fire /second the problem with building it and this iceberg

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>>2659158
>((((boulder)))
What did he mean by this?

>>2659022
I can't believe I watched this whole thing.

>>2659022
>the part at the end where they start the screams

god damn

>>2658504
This makes me realize we really need to find the USS Hornet and USS Helena.

>time kills all

Not plastic.

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>>2658561

made this for /tv/

>>2661382
>forgetting plastic-eating bacteria

>>2661535
>tfw the Yamato won't make it to 2199

>>2661594
RIP in pieces Space Hotel Yamato.

>>2658504
Entropy consumes us all and life exerlates it.

>>2658504
Some of the survivor stories from the Titanic are pretty interesting.

Like the ship's chief baker kept slowly drinking whiskey throughout the night as the ship sank. When the ship finally breaks up and goes down he is right there on the stern and steps off as it goes under. He was swimming in the freezing water for over two hours until the sun came up and he made it to one of the collapsible boats. Apparently the whiskey allowed him to stave off hypothermia.

>>2659022

When does it hit the iceberg?!

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>>2659037

This one didn't sink, it was buried;

>>2661698

It was probably the alcohol and the fact he was a fat bastard that kept him comfortable enough to keep swimming (while everyone else was clinging to debris or just floating and not exerting themselves), therefore keeping his core body temperature up, preventing him losing consciousness, and dying from hypothermia.

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>>2659037

HMS Mary Rose is fairly intact for a 500 year old wooden ship, although half the ship was crushed when she capsized.

There was the wreck of the SS America in the Canary Islands, but the wreck's effectively disintegrated.

pic related this is her in 2004

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>>2659037
>>2661768

10 years later

>>2658504
>2017 - 1912 = 107
Something doesn't add up

>>2661768
>>2661773
salt water is a hell of a drug

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>>2662049
You mean iron bacteria

>mfw they isolated a new species of halomonas from the titanic

>>2662108

It was actually the waves that destroyed the America. Just kept tugging at the ship, ripping off piece by piece. Most of the metal that made up the ship is still there, it's just a pile of steel lying just under the surface though.

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>>2658513
I always loved these paintings as a kid, they looked so real to me.

>>2658504
Should we spend gigabux to raise the remains and put them in a museum?

>>2658504
can some1 explain to me why i should care about the titanic

my grandpa corresponded with a lot of the survivors and owns a large bookshelf dedicated to titanic stuff and a piece of the titanic and did presentations on it and so on and so on. spent years collecting stuff and i have no idea how it could be so interesting

>>2661858
that's because you are minus-ing

>>2663380
Hurrrr history board why should I care about history it's not interesting

>>2661355
It was sunk on orders of the Admiralty as a last ditch effort to control a zombie outbreak. really.

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THE FEDERAL BANK DID 4/14

WAKE UP STEERAGE

THE (((BERGS))) ARE PLAYING YOU

CAPTAIN SMITH IS A MUSLIM AND I HAVE PROOF

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>>2658504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zrpXo7GQcs

Thoughts on this video?

>>2664041
Interesting. I never thought much about the fashions people might have worn on the ship, especially during the sinking. I like that this team seems to be going all out for the game. They are even in talks to have Margaret Brown's great-great-grandaughter voice her.

>>2664041
>reading comments for this and other videos
>comments in the livestreams

Holy fuck people are giant whiners, aren't they?

What is the current state of the wreck today? Is it still relatively intact? I remember reading that it would have been disintegrated by 2012, but I haven't seen anything else on it.

>>2664174
It's still there, but only the stern. Wikipedia has an approximate of the year it'll finally collapse. It's sad, thinking about all those lives lost, the bodies which will be below the iron forever.

>>2664205
Fukken lol but it should be turned on it's side

>>2664215
the bodies are long gone

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Still the best Titanic film

(except for the shower scene)

>>2664255
all I remember about this is Catherine Zeta Jones getting pissed on the Carpathia at an old lady with her dog

and for some reason I'll always remember the way she says

>Your DOG?

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>>2658504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMO8xaylvOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMO8xaylvOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMO8xaylvOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMO8xaylvOc

Titanic 105 - "Real-Time Sinking" on stream

>>2664215
visit pearl harbor if you ever end up on the Hawaiian islands. it's pretty fucking sobering to look out on the harbor and think of the some 1500 skeletons deep down in the bowels of their decaying ships.

there's a museum on site, but the harbor itself is officially a military cemetery.

also, prerepare to be surprised to find yourself surrounded by more Japanese tourists than Americans. It very nearly pissed me off, but then I was thinking, this is how the Japanese must feel when American tourists visit the memorials in Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the fact that we still have military bases on their sacred soil.

>>2664286
Comparing the comments this year versus last year's comments is fucking depressing. No wonder they just ignore the comments at this point. Wish they still used that non-Youtube platform for their major livestreams.

>tfw I realized today I'm older than Officer Moody when he died
>same with a bunch of other crew

the fuck

>>2664286
>them shit-talking Lowe

yesssssss

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>>2664310

Poor bastard never got to finish his tea. Murdoch spilled it all over the deck.

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>>2664338
>tfw the real Moody looks like Neville Longbottom

>>2664344

Why didn't he use his magic to prevent the collision?!

>>2664344
that face
contorted in terror
bleeding from bumps and scrapes he endured in the sinking and struggle in the water
calling for help
brain too terrified to do much rationally
thinking of his family as his body shuts down
gradually succumbing to hypothermia
his body is carried away
decomposing
eaten by birds and sharks

I wonder if such a detailed simulation with ever exist in the future for 9/11.
Both are extremely interesting events where human action saved many lives and where the structures managed to hold on long enough to save people.

>>2664294
At least the Japanese tourists are respectful. At least they were when I visited the Harbor.
It's crazy to image such a sunny place darkened by columns of smoke, blue waters turned black with oil or even burning and full of men. Watching a restored video of the Arizona exploding is crazy.

>>2664294
>getting pissed off for no reason. Especially when most are respectful.

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>>2659037
Isn't the Bismarck also in decent shape?

>>2664432
Most of her hull is, the stern's ripped off.
A lot of the actual components that made her a battleship are gone. Either destroyed in the battle or when she capsized.
The gun turrets, the conning tower, fire directors.

I think the most intact large wreck I know of is the USS Yorktown. She's pretty much just sitting on the sea floor with a sight list.

>>2664369
That's a good thing, we must always remember to never let Masonic leaders drag their countries into war, especially European feudal wars.

>>2664450
What about the ships at the Truk islands? Like the Katori

>>2664452
More like teach military leaders not to commit to unwinnable battles and wars.
The entire Japanese military system was so corrupt and fucked up that a top Admiral said war with the US was impossible to win and he was told "Too bad, get to planning."

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>>2664450
>Most of her hull is, the stern's ripped off.

The last 50 feet of the ship were not part of the armored core and were still filled with air when the ship capsized so it just imploded as it was dragged further down.

>A lot of the actual components that made her a battleship are gone. Either destroyed in the battle or when she capsized.
The turrets fell out almost as soon as the ship capsized and the superstructure (both of them were only held by gravity) was ripped off by the flow of the water. James Cameron found most of the turrets and the admiral's bridge largely intact, but upside down a few miles from the main wreck.

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Another interesting wreck is the HMS Victoria. Can't find any decent images of her wreck, but she's stuck halfway into the sea floor with her stern pointing vertical.

>>2664432
>>2664470

I wonder how long those still trapped in air pockets in the lower decks survived. Were any of them still alive when the ship impacted on the the sea floor 10-15 minutes later?

If they were, it must've been absolutely horrifying to realize you were miles below the surface with no possible hope of escape.

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>>2664470
>>2664450
It is amazing how intact Yorktown is for a treaty carrier that wasn't meant to take so much damage.

>>2664486
I just got a real fucking weird feeling in my bones when I read this. Shit.

>>2664486
Not likely given the incredible pressure the deeper it sank, if a pocket did somehow manage to stay intact until crush depth the implosion would've been sudden and instantly fatal. This is also unlikely as the survivors were scuttling the ship, they'd have left everything open to facilitate it.

>>2664558
This did happen to some submarines, though they bottomed out above their crush depth. The Russian nuclear submarine Kursk sank in 2000 and some of the crew may have survived as much as three days after the disaster.

>>2664427
pissed wasn't the right word to use. I was more taken aback, and yes, most are respectful, but there were indeed a few Japanese tourists that were obviously inebriated, others that spoke very loudly and snapped pics like crazy, which in my view, is disrespectful when at a site designated a cemetery. sure, take a picture or a few and whisper among yourselves, but you need to honor the dead, especially when they are trapped in destroyed ships with no chance for a proper burial by their families.

it's not even a tourist attraction, it's the site of an atrocity open soley for people to educate themselves and pay their repect to those deceased. I don't know how other people were raised, but at every military or civilian cemetery I've been to, it's proper conduct to remain as silent and respectful as possible.

>>2664585

Well since the ship was a steel reinforced monstrosity, I imagine some of the air pocket deep within the hull might've remained intact for at least the first few minutes. Of course the impact on the sea floor would've killed anyone who was still alive by that point.

>a Boat load of rich people died because of """"iceberg"""" collision
>Their money is in the bank
>Bank is own by Berg people
Coincidence?

>>2663647
not what i said retard

there's a difference between caring about the collapse of the roman empire or 9/11 or whatnot and a ship contingently sinking

>>2664791
Hurrrrr why does anyone care about this area of history I can't figure it out aduppp

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>tfw no good Titanic model kits

>>2664847
I had like three of them but lost all of them

Hitler sank the titanic

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>>2659037
Not incredibly preserved but still interesting, in New Caledonia there's the wreck of an ore carrier converter liberty ship named Ever Prosperity which stranded in 1965 on the coral reef.

The interesting part is that 5 years later, in 1970, another ore carrier liberty ship also named Ever Prosperity, from the same South Korean company, commanded by the same South Korean captain did the same a few miles north.
I've yet to know if the captain kept his job after that.

>>2664868
>I've yet to know if the captain kept his job after that.

Why wouldn't he? The blame clearly lies with whoever was naming the ships.

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>>2664868

>2,710 Liberty Ships built
>2,400 survived the war
>3 are still in existence today

>>2659193
Us norwegians still laught about it to this day

>>2664356
Jesus dude

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>>2664882
True that naming a ship Ever Prosperity is the same as naming it Unsinkable, you're asking for shit to happen.

>>2658504
It's gravity and his brother time that turn rocks to pebbles

>>2664843
nice argument retard

>>2664205
i recognise that bulge!

>>2659152
All three of these are false.

>>2659015
got a good hearty kek

>>2663362
>Should we spend gigabux to raise the remains and put them in a museum?
I mean, is it even possible with the depth its at
And what if its a trap set by the icebergs?

>>2665207
If rocks into pebbles, why are there still rocks :)))))

>>2664486
>I wonder how long those still trapped in air pockets in the lower decks survived. Were any of them still alive when the ship impacted on the the sea floor 10-15 minutes later?

No. Titanic is over 12,000 feet down. Even if someone somehow managed to be in a total air pocket, they would have imploded a few thousand feet down--or, more likely, have died of other causes before their body could no longer withstand the water pressure. They may have been crushed to death by furniture or other debris, or impaled on debris, or battered by debris/furniture/other people in the same area/etc. They may have drowned if water flooded the area they were in. They may have had a stroke or heart attack from the physical and mental stress. They might have fallen unconscious when their eardrums imploded and died without really being aware of it. Etc. Considering that it only took about 5-15 minutes (a lot of researchers estimate 5-6 minutes as being the most plausible) for the ship to hit the bottom, they would have probably been dead within 2 minutes, maybe 3.

>>2663380
Because there are a lot of interesting stories behind it and it's an interesting tale of hubris leading to disaster?
Also the ship is really aesthetically pleasing to me and the movie is always fun to rewatch for the sinking and tits.

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You know, if any of you are interested, there's actually a program called sinking simulator that lets you build your own ship and watch it sink. It's not really accurate but fun nonetheless.
http://gamejolt.com/games/sinking-simulator-2/140127

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>>2666073
>Also the ship is really aesthetically pleasing to me
Oh my god, this so much. There's something about old steam liners that's just incredibly pleasing to look at. They have an elegance to them that modern ships lack.

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>tfw James Cameron was so dedicated to making a historically accurate film of Titanic he went down to the wreck itself to get footage

Dude seriously has my respect. Every time I watch Titanic I notice more and more little details that he made sure were put into the film

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>>2659037
There are absolutely tons of them in Bermuda. Albeit some of them were intentionally sunk and many of them are smaller than 200 feet, but they have a lot of history behind. Some are more than 400 years old, like Spanish Galleons or English ships that were headed for the new world before they were shipwrecked off the reefs of the island. Pictured is the Hermes, a former US navy ship that was sunk off the south shore of the island.

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>>2666164
Dumping a few more if anyone's interested

Here's the largest ship that was sunk in Bermuda, the Cristobal Colon, 499 feet long.

>It crashed into the coral reefs off the Bermuda’s North Shore as the captain wrongly interpreted an offshore communication tower as the Gibbs Hill Lighthouse.

>At that time, she was traveling with 160 crew members from Wales to Mexico under the command of Captain Crescencia Delgado. Cristobal Colon had a very interesting story. Few weeks prior to her destruction on Bermuda's reefs, this Spanish ship was bound for Spain from Mexico with 344 passengers aboard.

>The wreck of the Cristobal Colon sat high on the reef only eight miles from Royal Naval Dockyard for some time. This allowed for the easy salvage of some of her fine furniture, paintings and fittings.

>In fact, today you can find items from the wreck in many homes in Bermuda. Although many of these articles were bought by the locals at public auction, many others were pirated. Every night locals would take their boats to the wreck and comeback with bags full of loots. Literally hundreds of Bermudians took part in this crazy piracy; only 13 of them were ever caught.

>The British eventually sank the ship's empty shell by using it as a practice bombing target during the World War II. Today the wreck lies 55 feet under the water surface. It is a haven for varieties of colorful reef fish.

>The Cristobal Colon, one of Bermuda's famous shipwrecks, is scattered across large area of the sea floor, offering endless hours of fascinating exploration.

...Okay, so it's not exactly "well preserved" but still interesting nonetheless

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>>2666189
The SS Queen of Bermuda. She never actually sank, but lived a long and profitable career as a cruiser sailing from New York to Bermuda from the 1930's to 1960's. She was widely regarded as one of the most beautiful and luxurious ships of her time, and was adopted as a sort of figurehead for Bermudians which took pride in her being named after their island.

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>>2666200
The SS Bermudian. She served as a mail carrier and passenger liner and started serving in 1910-ish. THis might not be the correct source, but She may have sadly sunk as a merchant cruiser in WW1.

>>2666138
I admire his autism greatly and it saddens me that he's so focused on this Avatar bullshit instead of giving us more films based on historic events.

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>>2666284
It really is a pity. Another thing that sucks is because it was such a great film, we'll probably never get another Titanic film, at least for another 50 years. And even then it's gonna be ripped apart if it's not ass good as Cameron's.

>>2666284
Given that T2 was Cameron's last good flick him being in love with his blue space cats is no big loss.

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>>2664990
sorry, I think about these things a lot. Like the Goodwin family, third class. A mother, father, 6 children--the youngest (not pictured) just over 1 1/2 years old. By the time they knew what was going on, all the lifeboats had been launched.

Imagine finding out that the ship you thought was safe was sinking. You've been waiting down below with hundreds of other passengers, remaining calm and passing a few cigars around while you wait for the stewards to come tell you what's going on. But they never do. It's a fellow passenger who finally runs down the stairs leading to the dining room, panting and pale and sweating. The ship is going down--the ship is going down NOW!

You gather your wife and children and find your way up to the boat deck through a maze of confusing passages, along with hundreds of other people who are just now finding their way to where the boats are--no, where the boats should be. When you get on deck you look around and realize... there are no boats. Just, if you are able to see past the throngs of people, crew members fumbling with a collapsible that looks like it could be washed away at any moment. Almost half the ship underwater, the other half rising. You glance at your wife and know that you can do nothing to protect her. Nothing to protect your six children. They say nothing about the boats and suddenly seem much older than they are.

What do you do?

>>2666316

You begin to climb up the deck with countless other people, holding your infant securely while your other children grip your wife's hand, and each other's hands--stay together, that's the thing, stay together. People jostle you as you climb together, panic rising along with the horrible, incomprehensible thought: we're all going to die? how can this be?

It's hard to keep your balance and you see some people slip on the deck. Others are jumping off the ship already. You feel like you're in a dream, some terrible dream when the lights suddenly go off. It's pitch black. You can barely see at all. Everyone is screaming. Your children are screaming. You're yelling too, no words, just terror. You can hear your wife shouting out soothing words to your your youngest son--you squeeze him tight, too tight, and you remember how he made sure to tell you bring his "rolly toy, rolly toy!" on the ship when you packed your things just a few days before, on your way to America, a new life in America, a new job, enough money to keep your children in school and buy your daughters new hair ribbons--and suddenly the ship pitches forward. You grasp desperately for something, anything to hold onto, but fall forward along with dozens of others around you.

But then, it's still... for a moment, a moment longer--you say out loud: "It's going to stay afloat." You think, oh, thank God--help will come. You find your wife's hand (she's hyperventilating and you worry about her nervous heatlh, and your children are crying, and you can do nothing) And then the ship begins to rise again, but not as high as before. You don't have time to think before you, along with hundreds of others, are suddenly pitched over the side of the ship as it descends at a horrid angle.

>>2666321

You hear a terrible crunching sound as people with heavy boots and bodies fall past you, and a sharp pain explodes in your ribs and skull. You barely register the pain before you hit the water, sharp, crushing, you can't breathe. Your arms spasm as you hit the blackness and when you find yourself above the surface, struggling to swim with broken bones and the shock of the water, you realize: your baby is gone. Your wife is gone. Your children are gone. You try to look around but there is almost no light. You scream their names but can barely hear yourself amidst the hundreds of others that now surround you, screaming for loved ones, screaming for help, and screaming for the fate that they never saw coming.


You find something, a piece of chair? and hold on. You try to think of your family as you feel your strength begin to leave you. Your thoughts are jumbled. You're supposed to be on your way to a new life. Your children, your wife, your children... It's cold, so cold... until even that fades away.

You don't know it, but the lifeless body of your infant son is floating nearby. He died upon impact with the water. His body will be saved from the sea 2 days later, described only as an unknown child: "Grey coat with fur on collar and cuffs; brown serge frock; petticoat; flannel garment; pink woolen singlet; brown shoes and stockings." It will take almost 100 years, but one day, they'll know the name of your little boy who died before his 2nd birthday.

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>>2666325
>>2666321
>>2666316
I started a history thread to commemorate an historic event and you commandeer it and turn it into a morbid horror story.


More pls. Can you do one about the captain's experience as the ships sinks up to his final moments in the Wheelhouse before he drowns?

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Would you guys rather be stuck on the Titanic or the Lusitania?

Titanic:
>stuck on board the ship for hours without any lifeboats as it slowly sinks into the Atlantic
>stuck in the North Atlantic with no land or ships in sight until the morning
>pretty much fucked if you get stuck in the water (freezing)

Lusitania:
>only have 18 minutes to get off of the ship due to sinking fast from the torpedo blast
>lifeboats have barely any time to be released into the ocean because of how fast the ship is sinking
>can see the Irish coast but help won't be near you for a couple hours
>water is also freezing because fuck you humans

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>>2666138
Funnily enough, he's admitted in interviews that he only pitched the film so that a production company would fund his trips to the wreck as "research." I don't blame him.

I enjoy the detail that went into the film--god, another director will never ever do this much practical work--but the way the history was portrayed wasn't always that great. The horrible portrayal of Ismay--which the production team knew was inaccurate but said "it's what people expect to see" so they wouldn't change it--stands out. Cameron basically kept all of the myths (third class being literally locked below, which only happened in one known instance with a random asshole steward and the gates were waist-high people climbed over--or went a different way) that he could have dispelled but chose not to because it's what "people expected."

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>>2666284

>Cameron will never make a feature film about the battle of Hampton Roads, building fully functional replicas of the CSS Virginia and USS Monitor, and donating them to museums so they can be used at reenactments

Why live?

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Olympic had a hard life.
>constantly collides with things during her career
>both of her younger sisters sunk in less than a year in service
>tried to save a battleship from sinking but failed
>excelled as a troop ship, even sinking a u-boat during it but no one remembers it because of younger sister's date with an iceberg

>>2666371

Lusitania, rescue actually got there fast enough to pull some survivors from the water, including Captain Turner himself.

>>2666499
>tfw she got torn apart in the 30's despite being one of the most important ships in history and the last of the Olympic-class liners
feels bad man

>>2666540

There actually was a proposal to turn her into a floating hotel in France but the Great Depression pretty much ruined that dream. She probably would've still fallen victim to World War II even if the plan had gone through.

>>2664847
>>2664851
I've got a REALLY good one but I'm too scared to even try building it

Kancolle girls of civilian ships when?

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>>2666383
>god, another director will never ever do this much practical work
Oh, definitely. I can only imagine how the meeting went down when he wanted to build a scale model of Titanic.

>"Alright James, what were you thinking of for the Boat deck? Tim and I have a few concepts you might-"
"We're gonna build the ship."
>"Yeah, that's what I mean. We were-"
"No, the ship. The actual ship, full size, superstructure, hull, funnels, mast, the whole shebang"
>"That's literally impossible"
"Fuck you, I'm James Cameron"

And thus, Titanic II was born.

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>>2666371
I would probably go with Titanic. There was less urgency to get the passengers into the life boats when the evacuation started so I'd just in my way to a lifeboat on Murdoch's side of the ship and hop in. Lusitania seemed like the bigger clusterfuck.

>I don't know why we long so for permanence, why the fleeting nature of things so disturbs. With futility, we cling to the old wallet long after it has fallen apart. We visit and revisit the old neighborhood where we grew up, searching for the remembered grove of trees and the little fence. We clutch our old photographs. In our churches and synagogues and mosques, we pray to the everlasting and eternal. Yet, in every nook and cranny, nature screams at the top of her lungs that nothing lasts, that it is all passing away. All that we see around us, including our own bodies, is shifting and evaporating and one day will be gone. Where are the one billion people who lived and breathed in the year 1800, only two short centuries ago?

-Alan Lightman, "The Accidental Universe"

>>2666383
Apparently his team was responsible for causing some serious damage to the wreck while filming. A submarine's prop scraped against the hull and caused some it to collapse while another one bumped into the wall of Captain Smith's cabin and nearly collapsed his bathroom.

>>2666499
She was too good for this world, Anon. Too good, too pure.

Entropy is a bitch.

>>2664927
Liberty Ships were kinda cheap pieces of shit, though. It's how they were able to crank out so many.

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1912 was a bad year for Britain. And it would only get worse.

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>>2659044
The image has been cleaned probably but it's still a beautiful wreck. If I remember it lies in really shallow waters. On the other hand Bismarck sunk really deep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Nomadic_(1911)

Its tender ship still exists amazingly.

Why do we care about preserving some heap of metal on the bottom of the ocean again?

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>>2667087
Because some of us are interested in it.

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>>2667087
I don't think we can do much to preserve it unless we raise it from the ocean.

>>2667101
Or was it this one? There are three iceberg photos and we don't know which really had the paint on it,

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>>2667120

>>2659037
Google black sea wrecks, I read an artile about it, there was even a picture of a 9th century Byzantine ship, fascinating stuff.

>>2667067
Is that an actual photo of the wreck or a painting? It doesn't look 'real' if that makes sense.

>>2667122
>>2667120
>>2667101
There's something incredibly eerie about these photos

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>the largest iceberg recorded was larger than the Island of Jamaica

>>2667146
No there isn't. Its a block of ice.

>>2667140
Real photo.

>>2667200
The mind's perception of creepy things is often irrational.

>>2667166
Isn't that the Ross Ice Barrier?

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>>2666371
Britannic
>warm water
>right next land
>only 30 people die

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They all have interesting history.

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It's also great that they recently found Erebus and Terror just two years apart.
Now we need to find Endurance.

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>>2667299
>They've never sailed together side by side

What do I do with this feel

>>2667316
Olympic should've been pictured in his dazzle camouflage desu.

>>2667307
>sending ships named terror and erebus on a polar expedition
>wonder why it fails

Might as well have named them HMS Horrible Death and HMS Pure Agony.

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THICC

SKINNY BITCHES MOVE OUT OF THE WAY

IF YOU WEIGH LESS THAN 60,000 TONS YOU'RE NOT A "REAL" SHIP

MY SHIPYARD SAYS I'M PERFECTLY SEAWORTHY

#SAILING AT EVERY SIZE

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>>2667328
They did fine on the Ross expedition to the Antarctic. Crozier, who was the skipper on Terror even went with Franklin on his expedition to command it again.

>>2667263
You'd have to be retarded to die on the Britannic

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>>2667299
>tfw fighting in the jungles of Vietnam and the Olympic sneaks up behind you with a Carpathian-sized bowie knife

>>2658504
Neighbor near me was a crewman on the Carpathia. I always remembered him as a grumpy old man who would yell at us for riding our bikes on his sidewalk.
His daughter donated a lifejacket and deckchair to the Smithsonian after he died.

>>2667344
Man modern ship aesthetics are just so shit now. You look at things like this and the zumwalt and there's just no elegance

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>>2667835
You also can't wait for the next "X of the Seas"?

Trailer for the new Titanic Honor and Glory demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RQQaRFQ9Ak

Holy shit.

>>2667866
I thought T:HaG was going to be some low res indie-tier mess but that was amazingly well put together

>>2667887
>I thought T:HaG was going to be some low res indie-tier mess but that was amazingly well put together

Have you seen the other demos up until now or were you just assuming based on it being an indie game about Titanic?

>>2667847
based finnish ship building
M ÄM MI

James Camerons Dive on The Bismark was a really good documentary.

>>2667976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGix_842uI4

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>>2667137
Yep, near the coast of Bulgaria. Medieval Bulgaria had no navy so anything you see is late medieval Byzantine or Ottoman. Bellow 200 meters in the Black Sea there is a layer of Hydrogen Sulfide and bellow it there is no oxigen, wood simply doesn't decay bellow that depth. There is also no light so hundreds of separate photos have to joined together to get a wide shot. What you are seing is a ship that has been on the bottom for 700 years.

>>2666325
>>2666321
>>2666316
Write a book

>>2661698
Alcohol opens up your blood vessels and raises BP, so you actually lose temperature faster than normally.

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Better than Cameron's movie. At least it has the Californian.

>>2661698
Cool mental picture. It's the apocalypse so might as well spend my last minutes on Earth having fun and drinking whiskey that were meant for the passengers far richer than myself.

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>tfw you'll never murder 10000 civillians and get a medal for it

>>2667866
Isn't this the last free demo? Kind of surprising we haven't seen any of the actual sinking mechanics beyond that one video of the dining room

>>2659232

>Italian steermanship

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>>2668123
check the deleted scenes in Cameron's movie, he did add the Californian.

>>2663789
ICE CANT CUT STEEL

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should i go back in time and stop it from sinking? what do you think consequences will be? i don't want to fuck up.

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>>2669808

Presumably another mass tragedy leads to requirements that all ships carry enough lifeboats for all passengers and crew

>>2664294
>there's a museum on site, but the harbor itself is officially a military cemetery.

I went there and you can literally stand above the Arizona. They have a memorial with all the names and you can look right under you and see the hull. Of course you can't go swimming in the dam rions, but you can get a lot closer than your post implies.

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>>2665795
If humans evolved from rocks why do rocks evolve into pebbles?

>>2667263
That pic is spooky to look at since I have to acknowledge how deep and crushing most of the world is.

>>2666325
When the stern went down for the second and last time, all the people, who didn't get sucked in the windows or by the sinking ships current, were just left in the water. For 20 minutes you could hear hellish screaming while slowly growing silent. The last screams were that of a man repeating in monotone voice "my god. my god" and then complete silence.

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>>2666371
Estonia absolutely takes the cake:
>1:15 AM, stormy weather with 4-6m waves, wind 15-20 m/s, water 10 degrees C
>visor breaks off, ship starts taking in water immediately in massive amounts
>alarm is given only 5 minutes later
>crew in the bridge barely able to send a bad distress signal in a ship with a 50 degree list
>10 minutes later the ship is already 90 degrees on its side
>about 650 people stuck inside cabins, corridors, staircases
>300 people make it out on the ships side
>thieves and gopniks steal peoples valubles on the ships side while it is rolling over amidst the waves
>after ship goes down, floaters are left with a couple of shitty rafts, some overturned, and few boats
>out of 989 only 137 survive

>>2661698
For such a researched and used substance people sure don't take the 5 seconds to fact check. Cool story tho

>>2665221
Argument for what? Why he personally finds it interesting? What the fuck are you doing?

>>2665521
Is it possible with the depth its at without tearing the hull apart?*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHO4B3As7NU&ab_channel=NowhereMan

Look at the effort spent into retrieving just a turret from the USS Monitor.

With enough money, it'd be possible to get equipment and people that'd be sufficient for the task. The easiest way would be to cut the ship into multiple sections, but the extreme rust would cause issue and we risk furthering the damage to the wreck.

Colonel Archibald Gracie:

>The agonizing cries of death from over a thousand throats, the wails and groans of the suffering, the shrieks of the terror-stricken and the awful gaspings for breath of those in the last throes of drowning, none of us will ever forget to our dying day.

He was one of the men partially submerged in the water on the overturned collapsible, and his health never recovered. He spent his last months writing to other survivors for a book on the disaster, and died in December 1912 from health complications. His last moments were spent in a delirium, and his family recorded his last words:

>We must get them into the boats. We must get them all into the boats

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>>2671079

Fun Fact: Gracie, who had an autistic obsession with the American Civil War stemming from his childhood in wartime Alabama, spent much of the voyage bugging Isidor Straus because Straus had served in the Confederate military (first as a member of the Georgia State militia fighting pro-Union guerrillas in the Appalachia region, later on a Confederate blockade runner, and finally operating a front company in Europe, procuring weaponry for the Southern cause).

>>2671827
We lost so many potential bantz masters.
Can you imagine the shit talking that must've take place during a fancy first class dinner?

>>2671827
>Isidor Straus

>tfw Cameron focused on a shitty fake love story instead of something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcXCm-KFFRw

>>2664432

Why is there a swastika in this image

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>>2673700
Because Biscuit had swastika tramp stamps on both her aft and bow.

>>2673700
Bismarck was a German battleship in WWII

>>2673500

Isidor and Ida Straus were the true star-crossed lovers of Titanic in my opinion. These two had everything to live for. Children and grandchildren, friends, money, a wildly successful business, and yet they made the choice to give up their own lives to save total strangers (Isidor refused to board a lifeboat as long as women and children were still aboard, Ida refused to leave his side).

Isidor in particular was a tragic figure in every respect. He had survived the greatest tragedy in American history (the Civil War, where 1 in 8 of all combatants perished), rebuilt his life from the ground up, married the woman of his dreams, only to die in what would be the first great tragedy of the 20th Century.

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>>2673500

If you go to the Straus family's memorial in New York, it even looks like something out of a tale of star-crossed lovers.

pic related

>>2658541
But everything that has transpired will have transpired, and I'm satisfied with that.

>>2674399
THICC

>>2673500
>>2674393
Honestly Titanic and Britannic both surprised me with how well they represent the ideals of their time. The crewmen did their job until literally water washed the ship from under their legs, preparing boats for others. The men did not even think of going on the boats before women. The engineers worked in the lowest parts of the ship until either they were ordered to stop, when all hope was lost, as with Britannic, or until the ship literally tore in half, as with Titanic.

When one of the boats of Titanic went back to where the ship sank, to save floating survivors, it was soon filled and people were hanging off the boat. Another floater was close, but seeing as the boat was already full and could easily capsize, he chose not to come closer. Instead he loudly said "good luck boys, may god be with you" and remained in the water to die.

For all the memes of how horrible those times were, of how the stereotypical higher classes with monocles and tophats oppressed the lower classes, they and the poor of that period showed honor and principle that I'm convinced is long since dead. It's amazing, honestly. I don't think I could be up to par with them.

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>>2676681

>When one of the boats of Titanic went back to where the ship sank, to save floating survivors, it was soon filled and people were hanging off the boat. Another floater was close, but seeing as the boat was already full and could easily capsize, he chose not to come closer. Instead he loudly said "good luck boys, may god be with you" and remained in the water to die.

Some claimed that person was Captain Smith himself.

Meanwhile 99 (almost 100) years later...

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>>2664294
And my penny.

1500 skeletons, a few boats, and my penny are down there.

>>2677688
>"After latching on to a life boat, Thayer watched as the ship's passengers battled against the inevitable. 'We could see groups of the almost 1,500 people still aboard, clinging in clusters of bunches like swarming bees; only to fall in masses, pairs or singly, as the great after-part of the ship, 250 feet of it, rose into the sky, till it reached a 65 or 70-degree angle.'

He describes being haunted by the horrifying cries of the people who slowly died around him - and his own survival.

'It sounded like locusts on a midsummer night in the woods. This terrible cry lasted for 20 or 30 minutes, gradually dying away, as one after another could no longer withstand the cold and exposure,' he said.

Thayer said the most poignant part of the catastrophe was that the lifeboats, some of which were 'only partially loaded', did not return to rescue those crying for help in the water."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126944/Titanic-survivor-John-B-Jack-Thayer-III-reveals-horrifying-cries-dying-victims.

Pretty awful thought when you realize that around a hundred more people could have lived if they loaded the boats correctly.

>>2676681
>The men did not even think of going on the boats before women

That's because the men, with the exception of the crew, did not think the ship was going to sink until very late in the sinking. The crew deliberately downplayed the seriousness of the event, saying there was nothing to worry about. Many of the anecdotes regarding the men occurred when no one realized that there was real danger. The famous anecdote of Benjamin Guggenheim saying that he and his valet were prepared to go down like gentlemen, and that they would 'do their duty'? Happened less than an hour after the collision, when no boats had been launched, and there was no panic or rush to get off the ship.

By the time that it was obvious the ship was going to sink, crew members had to form link chains around the boarding areas so that people were not rushing the boats. Multiple witnesses noted men who attempted to rush the boats, or who jumped on the boats. Several male survivors, first class among them, surprisingly admitted that they saw their chance to get on a boat and took it.

From a first class woman survivor:

>They speak of the bravery of the men, but I do not think there was any particular bravery, because none of the men thought it was going down. Nobody ever thought the ship was going down. If they had thought the ship was going down, they would not have frivoled as they did about it. Some of them said, 'When you come back you will need a pass,' and 'You cannot get on tomorrow morning without a pass.' They never would have said these things if anybody had had any idea that the ship was going to sink.

She goes on to say that she 'never saw a finer body of men in my life than the men passengers on the ship' and believes that they should have been allowed on the lifeboats with their families, instead of the crew (she singles out stewards) claiming spaces by saying they knew how to man the boats, when they really didn't.

1/2?

>>2677848
>Pretty awful thought when you realize that around a hundred more people could have lived if they loaded the boats correctly.

They could've saved 400 more people easily.

Titanic's lifeboats could've 1,178 people, but only 700 or so actually board them because they launched the first six boats under capacity and they refused to return to the ship (for fear of being swamped with panicked passengers).

>>2678367
>they should have been allowed on the lifeboats with their families

Lightoller made a damn tragic mistake in interpreting women and children first as "women and children only." Priority should've been given so that entire families be allowed to board, thus sparing them from the heartache of losing family to the water. At least that's my opinion.

>>2678367
>how the stereotypical higher classes with monocles and tophats oppressed the lower classes, they and the poor of that period showed honor and principle that I'm convinced is long since dead.

The class system of the day is what killed hundreds of third class passengers. (And, quite frankly, killed many of the ship's crew as well.)

Stewards personally ensured that first class passengers were taken care of--given their lifebelts, told they needed to get on deck, escorted on deck if necessary.. Only 3 third class stewards did their duty (and even this is dubious because the testimony of the surviving steward, Hart, has been considered dubious because his claims of how many he saved don't always match up to the manifests of who was on the lifeboats). One steward locked a third class gate and wouldn't open it for a group of people. Thankfully, the gates were not full height as they are so often depicted in film, but about waist-high, so the men were able to help women get over and then jump themselves. Yet another group of third class women, trying to cross over onto the first class deck where lifeboats were being launched, were told it was not their "turn yet."

Hundreds of third class passengers were left below decks, not even told what was going on, until it was too late. That's the "mass of humanity" who only found their way on deck when all the boats were launched which Gracie refers to in his account of the sinking.

2/??

>>2678411
And that's not taking into account the other class distinctions made between 1st/2nd and the third class which colored their experiences during the sinking and how people recollected them afterward.

Just a few examples:

-Men in 1st and 2nd class were allowed to see their wives and children, or just women they socially knew, off into the boats. Third class men were prohibited from escorting their wives and/or families into the boats.

-One 1st class survivor, who was in a lifeboat, later noted that she thought the cries from people in the water were "seamen or possibly steerage who had overslept, it not occurring to me that my husband and my friends were not saved."

-The inquiry's into the disaster are full of crew member--especially Lowe--throwing out derogatory language towards third class passengers. Anyone who looked remotely foreign was considered "dangerous" (because only Proper British Gentlemen don't rush boats) and Officer Lowe was made to apologize during the inquiry--twice--for using "Italians" as a synonym for coward, since he referred to anyone he considered cowardly or un-gentlemenly as "Italian."

It's also vital to remember that Titanic was an anomaly when it comes to sinking passenger ships. Statistically, it is the crew members who have the highest survival rates; then male passengers, then women passengers, then children. Ordinarily, in the past and now, the crew saves themselves first and passengers who live are lucky enough to be physically able to compete with crew for lifeboat space. It's only on the Titanic and one other ship in the past 150 years where passengers had a higher survival rate than crew, and women/children had a higher survival rate than men.

>>2677848
If the ship had sunk in daylight hours, I think so many more would have been saved. Most of the people who survived the Lusitania were pulled into the lifeboats which actually rescued people from the water.

Man George Bernard Shaw was really fucking pissed at how the Titanic was covered in newspapers/the press/the public.

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>>2666371
>>2670280
The Wilhelm Gustloff would have been fucking nightmarish, I get freaked out just reading about it.

>packed full of 8,000+ sick and wounded refugees
>freezing waters prowling with Soviet submarines
>torpedoed in the middle of the night
>guns frozen
>lifeboat davits frozen
>no power or communications, lights are out
>less than forty minutes to escape a crowd of 10,000 desperate people
>can either get blown to smithereens by a torpedo, crushed by debris, trampled by crowds, or flung into freezing water
>9,400 dead, 5,000 of them children
>it was a hospital ship

I can't even imagine that kind of horror.

>>2678546
>I can't even imagine

Some eyewitness accounts: https://www.awesomestories.com/asset/view/Wilhelm-Gustloff-Survivors-Tell-Their-Stories

>>2678546
>all 5 of the captains survive, dry. Jumped in boats ASAP.

cocksuckers

>>2658504
OOOOOOOOOONNNNNCCCEEEEEE MMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRREEE

YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU OOOOOOOOOOOOOOPEN THEEEEE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

>>2678603
>captain not going down with the ship
beta as fuck

>>2678581
>An eyewitness sees a German officer shoot his two daughters and wife, after the woman pleads with her husband to end their suffering. When the officer tries to shoot himself, he fails because he'd run out of bullets. He drowns, instead.

Jesus.

>>2678609
To me it's fine if the captain lives..... if he at least fucking stays on until the last possible moment and does every single thing he can do to save passengers. These guys hopped on as quickly as possible, leaving helpless people, helpless children, to die in a horrible way. And it happens all the time, unfortunately. Captain Smith, whatever his faults that helped contribute to the sinking, at least helped passengers onto the boats.

I mean fuck. Even drowning in the Gustloff disaster would be horrific--it's horrific enough, but imagine drowning surrounded by hundreds of flailing kicking bodies in a cramped, flipped part of a ship.

>>2678581
Ugh at the end they depict people pounding on the windows as the listed ship goes down, per several survivor accounts. Makes me think of that video of the Korean student trip ferry where you can see hands pounding on the window in that same awful way, students trapped inside who would drown shortly after.

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>>2678606

>>2667835
Thats because of all the balconies. Its make to look out from, not look at.

>>2673725
>>2674125
Thats offensive. They should paint over it.

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>>2678546
>it was a hospital ship

Emphasis on the "was" part.

It started out a cruise ship for KdF, was requisitioned by the German government after WW2 began. Was used as a hospital ship for the first year of the war (specifically for the Norwegian campaign). After which, it was used on and off as a barracks until 1945 when the was reactivated for Operation Hannibal.

When the ship was sunk, it was still painted in German War Department colors (grey and green) and was traveling with armed escort, so it would've appeared for all intents and purposes to be a troop ship and thus a legitimate target for S-13. RMS Lusitania was in a similar legal grey area, the ship was painted in British War Ministry Black and White instead of its traditional Cunard colors, and was assumed by U-20 to be a military transport (technically correct, since the ship was almost certainly loaded with ammunition). Combined with the storm and the dark sky further hindering visibility, the Gustloff could've just easily been perceived to be a full-sized warship to Captain Marinesko.

Not a war crime (technically), but to quote Gunter Grass, "it was terrible, but it was a result of war, a terrible result of war."

Want to see a legit Soviet war crime at sea?

Check this out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Struma

>>2664350
He couldn't pronounce leviosa right

>>2667101
>>2667120
>>2667122
Looks at that smug fucker just loating there

>>2676681
The guy who remained in the water to prevent the boat from going over is said to be the captain but it was never confirmed

>>2659232
Didn't this happen cause the captain wanted to show off his new job to his brother whom was standing on the shore?

>>2664651
If I ever visit pearl harbour I'll make sure to wear a rising sun bandanna and scream TORA TORA TORA at the top of my lungs.

>>2678873
>The police detached Struma's anchor and attached her to a tug, which towed her through the Bosphorus and out into the Black Sea. As she was towed along the Bosphorus, many passengers hung signs over the sides that read "SAVE US" in English and Hebrew, visible to those who lived on the banks of the strait. Despite weeks of work by Turkish engineers, the engine would not start. The Turkish authorities abandoned the ship in the Black Sea, about 10 miles north of the Bosphorus, where she drifted helplessly.

Jesus, they were just going to let these people starve to death.

>>2680427
Hi! You must have gotten lost. This isn't /pol/.

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Reminder that death in some form on the titanic was inevitable.
>Bulkeheads go all the way up
The ships broadsiding the iceberg would've meant that it would've capsized despite if it had full bulkheads
>full compliment of lifeboats
They barely managed to launch the ones they had in time. The last boats, Collapsibles, were swept off the flooded boat deck. If there was enough lifeboats for all passengers there wouldn't be enough time to launch them before the ship went down
>hit the iceberg head on
Okay, so the ships entire bow gets crushed, and all the crew/passengers that are in there. Plus, hitting a dead stop on such a large object going at 21kts/hr means the deceleration would throw passengers and heavy furniture forward at high speed. Meaning more casualties or at least a few broken bones. Engines probably suffering damage from the crash, and half the boilers spill their contents leading to severe risk of fires breaking out.

No matter what they did, barring slowing down in an ice field, people were going to die that night.

>>2681482
But hitting it dead on would leave the ship afloat, meaning more, if not all lives would be saved

>>2681582
>all lives would be saved

Crew quarters were in the front of the ship, hitting the iceberg dead-on would've flooded the forwardmost compartment and killed dozens, if not hundreds of crewmen.

If anything, Murdoch should've swerved the ship hard to starboard and NOT reversed the engines, which reduced the rudder's effectiveness.

>>2681482
Of course people were going to die. But hundreds of lives would have been saved if they had

-Actually done the safety and evacuation drills that they were supposed to so crew weren't just doing whatever

-Had any sort of protocol or plan regarding passenger evacuation (third class passengers in particular were ignored)

-Closed the motherfucking gangway door on the side that contributed to the ship sinking faster

-Filled the lifeboats to fuller capacity

>>2681582
>>2681991
Oh no, I completely agree with you that more lives could've been saved, that was completely possible, I'm just pointing out the fact that casualties, no matter how small, were going to occur that night.

>>2679339
No, he was trying to show the island to a """model""" qt.
Almost as irresponsably retarded as the Sewol.

>>2681788
Its easier to turn when you are slowed down not going fast