>Greatest commanders of Spanish military history Ambrogio

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>>2647742

>Italy gets repeatedly BTFO by Austria in WW1 under their Piedmontese Chief of Staff
>saved by a Spaniard-Neapolitan who takes command and BTFOs Austria

what did they mean by this.

>>2647755
>Diaz
>Not being completely Italian
>Spanish sounding surnames
>Not being common in Naples

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>>2647742
Dont forget the guy who predicted strategic bombing, air warfare, dogfights, and nuclear weapons decades before the tech ever really existed.

Italy also conducted the first air strikes and air attacks in history against the Ottoman Empire. Truly pioneers

>>2647742
Counterargument: WW2

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>>2647778
countercounterargument

Italy was economically and technologically unprepared.

Even still, they made rapid advancements that no one has ever seen before and showed daring and bravery not matched by anyone else.

Examples:

The Raid on Alexandria: Italy basically invents navy seals and with a few men on human submarines sinks and destroys a number of British Battleships

The Guerilla War in Ethiopia: A small contingent of Italian holdouts led by Amedeo Guillet, called "the Devil Commander" by the British for his ferocity and that which he inspires in his men constantly harasses and takes on an entire British Army in Africa. Holds out in the mountains until they literally run out of ammunition.

Charge of the Savoia Cavalleria at Izbushensky: On the Eastern Front 700 horse mounted Italians assault and capture 2500 Soviet armored troops, making it the last successful mounted cavalry charge in history.

They also were the only troops to successfully break through the Soviet lines around Stalingrad and in operation little saturn.

How they performed relative to what they were fighting with is almost beyond belief and is truly a testament to the natural fighting spirit of the Italian, even if the average Italian doesnt "fall in line" so well.

Rommel even considered Italian troops assigned to him to be better than German troops.

this is the first time I ever see someone saying Massena was the goat Napoleonic Marshal

none of those niggas got shit on Bernadotte cucker of swedes

>>2647760
>implying south italians are not our rapebabies
face it luigi, we owned you and we created you

>>2647811
Southern Italians tend to share more culturally with Spain than the rest of Italy I would say...

More manly macho culture.
Linguistically.
Culinarily.

>>2647806
Bernadotte was definitely not a great Marshal. He was just a schemer

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>>2647811
Please take Terronia back in that case. We don't want it.

>>2647825
>Southern Italians
>Not being the last vestiges of honorable manhood and virtue left in Italy

Sorry I didn't get past "italian_flag.gif" without bursting out laughing

>thread derails into north vs south

wew

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>>2647831
They can be all "honorable and manly" as they want with their Spanish brothers.

>>2647806
Massena was brilliant during the Revolutionary Wars and the only reason that France wasnt invaded during the 2nd one.

At the earlier Napoleonic Wars he was the one who would handle the secondary fronts, while Nappy took care of the main theatre.
Davout or Lannes are usually considered the best of the marshals, but they always only commanded under Napoleon, not as independent generals.-

Massenas legacy was sullied a bit by his average performance in 1809 and then having to handle the Peninsular shitshow for some time- But if he had retired earlier, he surely would have been the best of the marshals

>>2647868
What are you implying about Eugene? The guy was Italian. Check his lineage

>>2647772
Except his predictions about their implications were all wrong. He thought it would end infantry combat.
also
>implying there were dogfights in wwi

>>2647881
>>2647868
What he got right far outweighed some slightly strange theories he got wrong. Dont be goons.

>>2647887
His whole thesis was that strategic bombing was THE future of warfare. And like pretty much everyone else whoever said X is THE future of warfare, he was wrong.

>>2647902
I think you could reasonably chalk the shadow that nuclear weapons cast over every facet of modern day strategy and warfare and international relations in general as a manifestation of what he was talking about.

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No envious nordcuck will ever want to admit it, but the people of the Italian peninsula have more accomplishments than any other, from ancient to modern times. They make up bullshit about modern Italians not being the same as the ancient Romans, yet genetic studies prove the exact opposite.

>>2648834
Why do you think Northern Europeans look down on Italians so much.

>>2647806
>cucker of swedes
Thats not really an achievement these days

>>2648844
Italians look down on Northern Europeans just as much. Everyone looks down on everyone in the real world.

>>2647831
>>2647849
lowkey, if Italy was divided between north (Padania) and south (Terronia) then the north would be just like France, complete with weekly terror attacks, makeshift Muslim cities and everything. Southern Italy would be like Greece.

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>>2648902
>muh Padania

The economic and developmental divide doesn't exist between north and central Italy, only south.

>>2648938
I thought Euros were suppose to be rich compared to the states lol.

>>2648943
They are in other ways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult

>>2647742
>Napoleon Bonaparte: Italian
weak b8

>>2647805
>Even still, they made rapid advancements that no one has ever seen before and showed daring and bravery not matched by anyone else.
top kek

counterargument: ha ha ha half that shit is made up

>>2647839
It's an Italian shitposting thread. They'll spend about five minutes arguing why their shit performances in the world wars are ok because reasons and then turn on each other like the spaghetti-eating rats they are. Which is, ironically, part of why they did so bad in the world wars.

>>2648886
>Italians look down on Northern Europeans
lol

>>2649013
He was Italic. That's undeniable.

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>>2649031
>we wuz poor and irrelvant for 99% of our history but we're the mustard rayce now because we're slightly richer than Meds

>>2649071
>>we wuz poor and irrelvant for 99% of our history
So Italians?

>>2649042
He was Corsican and French. Italy needs to stop being so desperate for real history that they steal other people's lol

>>2647742
Italy:
>gets wrekt by Germans
>wrekt by Austrians
>wrekt by the French
>wrekt by Africans
>interbred with Muslims and Africans
>to this day still scream "we wuz romans n sheeit"

What a mongrel, useless race.