Why does Turkey cause such a uniquely large amount of butthurt

>>2639842
What's the joke here?

>>2639739
Because half of us our Byzanboos, me included.


Fuck the Turks and their meme empire

>>2639850
People from the circled red area are the butthurt ones because turks have nothing to do with muh europe

>>2639739
because WE WUZ CENTRAL ASIANS BUT NOT MONGOLS AND WE HAD THE FIRST LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD AND OOPS LET ME SLOWLY BLEED TO DEATH FOR THREE CENTURIES

>>2639854
>Be Byzantines
>Fuck everything up
>Constantinople is partially ruined

>Be Ottomans
>Take over depopulated city
>Make it better than it ever was under the Byzantines.

???

>>2639842
>not including Armenia
Wew lad

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>>2639854
Stay mad :^)

>>2639854
>Because half of us our Byzanboos, me included.

So much cringe.

Because everyone plays Europa Universalis IV and is constantly fucked over by the Ottoman Empire

>>2640176
>so much cringe

*cringe*

>>2639739
60% recycled /int/ memes
25% recycled /gsg/ memes
15% pure Byzaboo/DEUS VULT LARPer autism

>>2639739
>Conquer some of the weakest provinces in Europe
>zerg = turk
>KEK WE R OMNZ

>>2639739
>heavy decline of eastern mediterranean during their rule
>stagnation of balkans on such scale it becomes worst shithole in europe
>constant genocides near the end of their rule
>destruction of byzantine empire
>nearly no cultural or scientific progress (all artists who made portraits of sultans were europeans and besides sinan you would be hard pressed to find any significant intellectual)
>Islamization of Balkans and asia minor
Are there any positive things about Ottomans?

>>2639739
No it's because they are more masculine than we'll ever be

>>2640227
>implying we're not >>>r/eddit so play ottomans and post caps there

>>2639739
They put an end to a centuries old LARP'ing experience.

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>>2639739
Because of Erdogay mostly. I was fucking impressed when I learnt Mustafa Kemal & the turks were the first arabs to embrace democracy and that did it off their own backside right off the bat after ww1, even had to fight the frogs& the bongs to get done asap. Real commendable will to survive & adapt.

But then since Menderes in the 50s-60s, it slowly started to decay, pandering to islamaboos began the norm and so did military coups. Even had a little pogrom in the middle of this for good measure in 58. So obviously fastforward to today and it's pretty obvious why Westerners find Turkey to be a terrible and disgusting failure.

They could have made MENA great again.

>>2639739
Pretty sure the Ottoman Empire was never this large.

>>2639739
it truely doesnt. the saracens were worthy adversaries and these niggers that came after are just eurasian steppe piss basket

>>2641111
Its accurate except they only held those Persian territories for a couple of decades but this is their greatest extent

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>>2640996
>I learnt Mustafa Kemal & the turks were the first arabs

arabs

>>2639739
Probably because you held everybody you conquered back a couple hundred years

>>2641377
Touche but you get the point. They were the first muslim majority country to do that.

>>2639842
>>2640139
/thread

>>2639842
>including east Thrace
>not including Armenia

WEW.

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I can't speak for westerners, but as a Balkanbro I guess it annoys me that Turks actually believe their shitty, retrograde Empire was a blessing for non-Muslims and that we "betrayed" it when we rose up against it.

I'm not going to try and collectively emotionally blackmail any group, like chinks do to japs or jews do to germans or niggers do to whites in the US, but I'm certainly not going to accept the Ottoman Empire actually contributed much of value to the world beyond a few minor arts and crafts, some copypaste architecture and a puppet show. And its level of brutality makes European colonial empires look positively benign.

>>2642770
This.

I'm not going to spend time pan-handling for sympathy for what they did to us, that sort of stuff is for non-whites.

But it's just that they combined savageness with complete incompetence (huge tracts of land were allowed to go out of cultivation for example), they had a lot of early military successes but they never actually turned it into commercial, scientific or even cultural success.

Their empire literally required an entire class of ethnic Greeks to run it. Turks were so fucking dumb and savage they required GREEKS to run things for them. Let that sink in.

>>2642827
>greeks ran the ottoman empire


is this true?

>>2642770
>>2642827
The asshurt is palpable. The Ottomans for hundreds of years were the most advance and most influential power. Fags who cry about their decaying period ignore their god tier administrstive abilities, innovative military prowness and the need to preserve what was before them. No. I am not claiming they were the best or even great, clearly there were stagnation in some areas. But just as a firm truth, the Romans didn't contribute shit either.
https://establishmentblues.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/the-lasting-legacy-of-the-ottoman-empire/

>>2640157
Tell me about Suleiman, why does he wear the Onion?

>>2643332
To keep the Wallachian's away.

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>>2643332
>>2644593

>>2643317
>The Ottomans for hundreds of years were the most advance and most influential power
>I am not claiming they were the best or even great
Make up your mind
>god tier administrstive abilities
>lol sultan gets ur land xD
there's a reason it fell apart.
>innovative military prowness
Maybe in the Middle East with gun powder; hardly much innovation elsewhere.

>>2643226

Not him but phanariots basically ran a lot of the major administrative positions, yeah.

>>2643317
>were the most advance and most influential power

Advanced in terms of what? Manufacturing? Engineering? That would be the Northern Italians, as far as the Western Hemisphere is concerned. The reason the Ottomans couldn't control the Eastern Med in terms of naval power is because they couldn't manufacture galeasses as capably as the Venetians and other Italian Maritime states could.

The Ottomans achieved virtually nothing of note technologically, scientifically or otherwise. Even if you want to discuss culture, they left no great literature - no Shakespeare or Tolstoy or Moliere.

>>2642827
>I'm not going to spend time pan-handling for sympathy for what they did to us, that sort of stuff is for non-whites.
Off yourself you balkannigger

>>2645195
>Off yourself you balkannigger

What's your race?

In before you avoid the question.

>>2645203
I am Greek but I hate scum like you

>>2645206
If only we had killed every last Greek communist subhuman after the civil war, we wouldn't be dealing with our present day ailments

Go back to rioting you piece of shit, maybe you can destroy some old man's little business in the name of worker's solidarity. Fuck the Greek left.

>>2639880
>take a european metropolis and turn it into an islamic shithole

ftfy

>>2645209
straight edge

>>2645216
Nothing "edgy" about killing communist nation-wrecking traitors, just normality.

>>2645188
>they left no great literature - no Shakespeare or Tolstoy or Moliere

Come on, how much do most people know about Ottoman literature of all things? This is a weird category to talk about anyway, better keep to technology and science which can be quantified more accurately instead.

But that's pretty much the case for the whole world outside parts of Western Europe since the late middle ages. Other Islamic states and China could barely compete in equal terms on that front in the long-run. By the 16-17th centuries, "the West" was clearly ahead.

And Byzantium overall was poor in that regard, as well. With the exception of the early period, Greek fire, Philoponus etc. little was added. In the late period, they resorted to translating Arabic works into Greek to keep up with the current knowledge, much like Western Europe was doing at the time.

>>2645337
>Other Islamic states and China could barely compete in equal terms on that front in the long-run. By the 16-17th centuries, "the West" was clearly ahead.
>what is the tale of three kingdoms

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>>2644593
Underrated.

>>2645345
>what is the tale of three kingdoms

I was talking about science and technology. Wasn't the context obvious?

And sure, certain bodies of literature are more known in the West than others. Maybe they're 'objectively' superior too but it's a harder matter.

>>2639739
Because every Turk on this site thinks that the Ottoman Empire was somehow the pinnacle of Civilization.
Also the denial of foreign influence on Ottoman culture and the Ottoman Court is stupid. Just like most Turkic Conquerers they shed many aspect of their old culture and worked in large parts of Iranian or sometimes Arabic culture. But it seems like no turk realizes that.

Cancerous retarded fanboys. I actually irrationally hate the ottomans now because of the autists from here.

Modern turks are unbearable. This leaves a bad bad taste when all the exposure to the Ottoman empire you get is HUEHR OSMANLI IMPERATURK

>>2643226
Check out the list of grand Viziers, 90% of the time it's a Greek, an Albanian or some sort of Serb.

>>2639739
What they did to Hagia Sophia can never be forgiven

>>2645751
Hah, I find it funny how whenever there's an obvious aspect of Turkish contemporary culture they picked up from Persians or Byzantines, the Turks on /his/ claim it was from "ancient Turks".

>>2645337
>Other Islamic states and China could barely compete in equal terms on that front in the long-run. By the 16-17th centuries, "the West" was clearly ahead.

It was ahead of that long before then. It was a Hungarian who crafted the Ottoman canons that brought down the walls of constantinople remember? And they were defeated at Lepanto precisely because their ships were inferior to European ones.

Other Islamic states and China could barely compete in equal terms on that front in the long-run. By the 16-17th centuries, "the West" was clearly ahead.

>Come on, how much do most people know about Ottoman literature of all things?

If I'm missing some classic of Ottoman literature you're free to point it out. We can also talk about architecture since, you know, their greatest architecture was either an Islamized Armenian or Greek who built in an explicitly Byzantine style, then there's their paintings which are limited to miniatures in a copypaste of Safavid styles etc etc.

Ottomans never accomplished much culturally or scientifically. They accomplished a fair amount militarily though.

>>2639854
The iron-e

>>2639739
Im non white and Im interested too, Is it because they're the only non western people who gets the west the taste of their own medicine? They must be doing something really right to piss western right wingers this much, if they're irrelevant people would just ignore them

I guess this is how western people will react to Asians as well when the time come

>>2646932
You moron, Asiatics and Middle Eastern powers have been attempting to invade Europe for millenia: Persians most prominently. In fact it was Sassanid aggression against Byzantium and the decades-long exhaustive conflict that followed that paved the way for Islam to fill the power vacuum of the Near/Middle Eastern region in the first place.

>I guess this is how western people will react to Asians as well when the time come

Obvious /r/asianmasculinity faggot detected.

In what universe were the Greeks ever as wantonly savage and aggressive as the Asian powers they fought against?

>>2646957
>In what universe were the Greeks ever as wantonly savage and aggressive as the Asian powers they fought against?
Alexander chimped out and set out to conquer the world.

>>2646957
Sparta was a wontonly savage feudal state, people had rights under Xerxes

>>2646969
Alexander and Genghis are like night and day. Genghis didn't build a single city of note or leave any meaningful culture of his own behind. Alexander built two dozen and left Hellenistic Culture behind, whose influence stretched as far as Japan.

>>2646975
>wontonly
>wonton

Obvious Asian American detected.

Xerxes had a river whipped because its banks refused to "obey" him, his courtiers had to put their hands over their mouths in his presence because they'd otherwise pollute his air.

The notion of Persia "inventing human rights" and what have you is a modern Iranian propaganda meme.

>>2646932
>Is it because they're the only non western people who gets the west the taste of their own medicine?

Eh? Non-western people have been committing atrocities against Europeans for much longer than the Ottomans were even a thing. The Arabs in Iberia, or the Golden Horde come to mind.

>>2646932
>I guess this is how western people will react to Asians as well when the time come

About that...

>>2647030
Gaijin hunters aren't the average women, also sauce plz

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>>2647038
>aren't the average women

Protip: The average Chinese women feels the same way about White men as you do about White women - i.e. demonstrably more physically attractive than their same-race counterparts.

>also sauce plz

Some amateur porn dump somewhere.

>>2647061
>>2647038
>>2647030
>>2646932
take your interracial cuck fetishes back to >>>/pol/

>>2647075
On /pol/ it's the whites\Swedes who get cucked

On \His\t, they do the cucking.

>>2646989
>>2646957
>300 is a historically accurate film
Did you know the Greek city states were massive proponents of slavery, whereas slavery barely existed in the Persian empire

>>2647119
>whereas slavery barely existed in the Persian empire

t. encyclopedia iranica

>>2644593
You use garlic for that you moron

>ruined europe
>had fun doing it

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>>2647136
IK you're joking, but to anyway who thinks Achaemenids practised wide-scale slavery...

>The basis of agriculture was the labor of free farmers and tenants and in handicrafts the labor of free artisans, whose occupation was usually inherited within the family, likewise predominated. In these countries of the empire, slavery had already undergone important changes by the time of the emergence of the Persian state. Debt slavery was no longer common. The practice of pledging one’s person for debt, not to mention self-sale, had totally disappeared by the Persian period. In the case of nonpayment of a debt by the appointed deadline, the creditor could turn the children of the debtor into slaves. A creditor could arrest an insolvent debtor and confine him to debtor’s prison. However, the creditor could not sell a debtor into slavery to a third party. Usually the debtor paid off the loan by free work for the creditor, thereby retaining his freedom."
-Dandamayev


It's a legitimate and reliable source:
"not just a necessity for Iranists [but] of inestimable value for everyone concerned with the history and culture of the Middle East"

It's not like it's a biased source, since the Achaemenid period (non Muslim) is [I think] the only period where slavery was not practised, and the encyclopedia notes this.

>>2647284
>Regarding the Achaemenid Empire, there is a great deal of textual evidence for the existence of slaves during their empire. Just as we have several sale contracts of slaves from Neo-Assyrian, Neo-Babylonian, and Seleucid Empires from Uruk (in Babylonia), we also have some from the Persian Period. One such document (Text 143, from Strassmaier, 1890, Inschriften von Kambyses) talks about the "branding" of the hand of a slave in both Akkadian and Aramaic. Similarly, two Aramaic documents from Achaemenid Egypt cite a similar practice of slave-branding (Texts 22 & 41 from Grelot, 1972, Documents araméens d'Égypte). Perhaps surprisingly, the same practice exists in Quintus Curtius Rufus' Alexandrian history. At V.5.5-6, he describes some Greek prisoners of war in the hands of the Persians, and they also have the same branding with "Persian letters." Now, they are not directly named "slaves," but the connection is not difficult to imagine.
>literally nothing more than a semantic distraction

Really fires up the old neurons.

>>2647293
Personally, I never claimed that slavery did not exist at all. I specifically stated "wide-scale" slavery, such as was seen in Spartan or Roman society. This is because it literally says in the Encyclopedia Iranica that the proportion of slaves to free people in the Achaemenid empire was incredibly small. They also made an exception for prisoners of war, who were sometimes used on building projects - I would imagine to deal with the aftermath of war.

The point is, that the Achaemenids practised it to a much, much, smaller extent than what was expected of the time, especially in comparison to their contemporaries, the Greeks.

From what I have seen, there was no equivalent of Helots or whatnot in the Achaemenid empire, but I would be interested to see evidence of this. I wish you good luck in finding some.

>>2639739
Besides having massacred millions of Christians?

>>2640996
I fucking hate when you american faggots think all muslims are goddamn arabs

>>2639739
They ruined the balkans, they stole christian land and they commited fucking GENOCIDE and wont even admit it.

>>2647368
>A turk denying genocide
HOW SURPRISING

>>2647368
>Armenian Genocide
>Massacre and forced deportation of Greeks from Anatolia, especially Smyrna
All at the hands of the Ottoman Empire, Young Turks, and Attaturk.

>>2647385
Dont forget the assyrians, they went after all christians in the empire

>>2647388
May their memory be eternal.

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>>2647410
Go away Roach.

>>2647410
Literally out of the woodwork comes he.

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>>2647436
>>2647410

>>2647410
>"Armenian genocide"
This is why people hate you, start facing facts.
>Why are you defending kurds?
Kurds have definetly done some bad shit and are still doing like you mentioned against assyrians but the kurds werent in power, the kurds werent sending orders, the turks did that and it is the turks who hold ultimate responsibility for the genocides but you people can never face that instead you deny it altogether or blame it on the kurds.

>>2639739
>balkanics hate turks
>armenians hate turks
>kurds hate turks
>arabs hate turks
I wonder why?

>>2647370
>They ruined the balkans
balkanshits are always in perpetual butthurt about irrelevant shit that happened centuries ago

>they stole christian land
proper retaliation for the crusades

>and they commited fucking GENOCIDE
every country has committed some genocides or atrocities and took place a long time ago so it doesn't even affect you personally, get over it

>>2639854
Byzboos are such cringy spergs, consider suicide.

>>2639739

I don't know if you've noticed but this board is full of christfags

>>2647464
Everyone hates them, anon.

>>2647470
>proper retaliation for the crusades
The crusaders didnt get to keep any of it and they never heavily changed the demographics of the area either so it doesnt count.
>and they commited fucking GENOCIDE and wont even admit it.
The last part is what mattered and what you said is therefore irrelevant.

>>2647470
>proper retaliation for the crusades
Which was in response to, wait... yep, Muslim raids, pillaged, persecution, and wars against the Christians. Both Turkic and Aran Muslims.

>>2647500
>bugspray.png

>>2647576
>tripfaging on an anonymous site
>while avatarfagging
>while unironically shitposting
Please sudoku yourself, Memet.

>>2647367
You should be glad nobody associates you south east asia islanders with islam tbqh, if people realised you might stopped getting so many tourists

>>2643278
>>2647368
>>2647410
>>2647436
>>2647500
>>2647576

YES, I FINALLY GATHERED YOUR MEMES

>>2647576
/his/ is what would happen if /pol/ liked jews. Doesn't say anything about muslims tho.

>>2640727
No they`re not. They are more mad because they rape each other.
In any army opossing a muslim country, the logic is... kill the officer and the minions will scatter...

>>2640996
>Calling turks arabs

Roach butthurt in 3... 2... 1...

>>2647500
First of all the "relocation" went through the dry syrian desert and since they werent given any food or water it effectively became a death march with or without the kurds. Second there were plenty of massacres commited by the turkish army outside of the deathmarches. Infact the deathmarches mostly consisted of women, children and elderly as the men had already been killed.

And what about the greek genocide? You cant blame that on the kurds or did it just not happen?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

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itt: balkaniggers

>>2647576
>Historical intellectual
>Denies a historically irrefutable fact

>>2645220
Αλλες εποχες τοτε, μην διαιωνιζεις το χασμα. Τελειωσε αυτος ο διχασμος. Παμε για ενωση επιτελους μπας kαι kανουμε kοινωνια διkε μου...

>>2647638
The tehcir law is ww1 allies propaganda.

>>2647648
And if you ask neonazis they will tell you Generalplan Ost and Operation Reinhard is ww2 allies propaganda. Doesnt make it any less true.

>>2647675
>us

We all know you're a shitposting Aussie.

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>>2639739
>Why do people hate an empire that dragged them down to the middle ages while the rest of their fellow continentals were progressing at an enormous pace
gee I wonder why, OP

>>2647675
>in trying to steal Istanbul from us
I didn't know that the former Greek colony of Byzantion which maintaned a majorly Greek population even until Ottoman times was suddenly yours.

>>2647725
The Ottoman Empire was the most progressive and forward thinking empire of its time. They put an end to the stagnantion of Byzantine rule and brought civilization to backwards hovels in the Balkans.

>>2647737
kek

here's your (you)

>>2647737
The ottoman were experiencing intellectual stagnation as well. They were a nilitary elite which took over a broken caliphate after the mongols amputated their brain in baghdad. Assimilating Byzantium is precisely what reinvigorated the islamic civilization. Both sides "benefited" in a way.

>>2647675
There is NO WAY the turks were not aware of their actions, they knew very well that most armenians would not survive this march. You simply cant face the facts so you just deny it no matter what. There is no arguing with you people.

>nothing wrong in killing greeks
If you think there is nothing wrong with killing defenseless civilians just because they are greek or of any other ethnicity for that matter please do the world a favour and kys.

>>2647682
I have refuted it but that doesnt really matter. What matters is that literally every historian with knowledge on the matter who isnt turkish (or turkish paid) have also refuted it. Get your head out of the sand.

>>2647725
>christian nations actively persecuted religious minorities like muslims and gave them no rights
>ottomans allowed christians to coexist peacefully alongside muslims

christfag logic

>>2647764
they saw it more beneficial to have taxslaves and Christian boys to be brainwashed and sent to die

>>2647737
>The Ottoman Empire was the most progressive and forward thinking empire of its time
Tell me again where did the enlightenment and the renaissance happen?
>Brought civilization to the Balkans
civilization=oppression

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>>2647740

>>2639739
>Why does Turkey cause such a uniquely large amount of butthurt here? Is it because of the Ottoman Empire?

Because the Turks destroyed Roman / Byzantine culture and replaced it with retarded Islam.

>>2647829
>Lets send hundreds of thousands of people through a dry desert and not give them any food or water
You have to be retarded or a fucking child to not see how that ends so just stop arguing over it.
>Of course this is the kind of incompetence you should expect from an Albanian.
You are not making turks look any better thats for sure.
>you have no problem when kurds do it
I have a problem when kurds do it see>>2647450
But we are not discussing kurds are we?
>You have not refuted it you just changed the subject to the greeks
I did refute it right here>>2647626
I just mentioned the greeks because i knew you couldnt blame it on the kurds in their case.
I suggest you go back and read my posts again before making more stupid statements.

>>2639739
Partially because of the Ottoman Empire. The other part is how retarded and cancerous turks on /his/ are.

>when you realize the Ottomans decriminalized homosexuality literally over a century before the UK

Truly a pinnacle of civilization

>>2648024
Albanian or not there is no way you do not see how it ends so stop being in denial and get a fucking brain.
>But turkish soldiers also had it bad
Whos changing the subject now?
Just let the armenians stay where they fucking are instead of forcing them to walk towards their own death or did you kill them all just so your soldiers could have something to eat?

I think its a real shame what the kurds are doing and i think something should be done about it but this board is about history and this thread is about turks so stop saying how fucking bad kurds are.
>No, all you did was send me back to an old post
A post in which i refuted the armenian genocide but all you have been saying since then is that "the turks/albanians were indeed that incompetent" which is just silly, stupid and illogical because you CANT BE THAT STUPID but its like talking to a fucking wall isnt it?
>Erdogan is a bad
Good for you for realizing that

>>2648087
>When you realize the Ottomans never actually made slavery illegal
Truly a pinnacle of civilization

The whole history of the Ottoman empire and Turkey is one of slaughters and oppression, from the very beginning until now.

Their whole history is a cruel joke on humanity.

I am really asking honestly, what positive thing have the Ottomans or Turks contributed. to?

>>2648178
I actually tried to think of something but I couldn't. Wtf I hate Turks now

>>2648255
Here we see some redemption for the earlier posts although it seems a bit like you changed opinion from
>he did it cus hes a stupid albanian
to
>he did it because he conspired with the russians
The real reason he did it is because he wanted to cover up his own failure with the mentioned caucasus expedition by blaming it all on the armenians. He cant have been in bed with the russians as the armenians would rather fight with fellow christians than with muslims so it wouldnt make sense for him to crack down on the armenians when it is clearly against Russias interests. While Enver might have been the one who first came up with the idea to get rid of the armenians and other christians he was far from the only one who embraced it and worked for it.

>>2648178
>what positive thing have the Ottomans or Turks contributed

They killed many balkaniggers.

ITT a bunch of balkan retards and a few europeans who know absolutely nothing about the empire except the recycled "t-they contributed nothing"

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>>2648255

I could buy the "Enver Pasha was a retard this is just like the Caucasus Expedition" argument if Armenians weren't being concurrently slaughtered and starved throughout the Six Provinces and if Armenians who actually made it to Deir Ezzor weren't slaughtered on the banks of the Euphrates.

I say this as someone who actually likes the Ottomans. They 100% did it.

>>2647737
Bad b8, m8

>>2648498
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>>2648024
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>>2647576
Kill yourself.

>>2648721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Izv4GgmNU

>>2647783
You idiot, just because Contantinople was once conquered by the Romans and then was converted to Christianity doesn't change the fact that the Greek element was unbroken for many centuries, even during Ottoman times when half of the City was still inhabited by Greeks. But keep on making excuses

>treating history like sports ball bullshit

No one fucking cares.

>>2646865
You mentioned episodes from basically the period I mentioned though. This had roots in the 12-13th centuries at least but the clear 'supremacy' in science and technololy against *everyone* was achieved by the period I mentioned.

So much garbage in this thread though, it's like I'm in /pol/.

>>2649933
>minus the fact that the Romans slaughtered them for their Hellenisitc "pagan" beliefs
>Romans killed Greeks because Zeus was not Jupiter
Unless if you're specifically talking about when after Christianity was spread which is a wrong thing to say that most of the Greeks weren't already Christian back then.

because /his/ is a christian board

>>2645212
>metropolis
Barely any people lived in constantinople at the time it was taken over

>>2647494
And we don't even mind anymore.
The butthurt feeds us at this point.

I unironically love Turkey and am moving there by choice from Australia, ask me anything

>>2647410
>I sure hope none of you are Armenians and actually defending k*rds. What would little Kayiane think as her sacrifice was for nothing as she was nailed to the cross by those filthy half-apes screaming "BIJI K*RDISTAN"?

You're the ones who proudly call them "Mountain Turks" my man.

Not denying the savagery of the Kurds or the bullshit media image of them, but Turks proudly try to claim them as part of a Turkish nation, so they should take responsibility for their savagery too.

Besides they'll be 50% of the population 30-40 years from now anyway.

>>2647764
>An Empire that conquered wildly disparate groups had to show more tolerance towards different religious groups than de facto ethnostate principalities and duchies

HMMMMM

>>2650357
You can delude yourself all you want, kiddo.

>>2650434
Do you feel safe in the knowledge that the spiders you'll bring along will eat all the cockroaches?

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>>2647115
Nah, whites have a higher in-group in general. Can you same the same about NOWAGs and blacks?

Why western people are so insufferable? Whenever I try learn something about the Ottomans or other Islamic empires they just shit over the threads. It's so annoying. Stop spitting your biased views based on stupid nationalism and Christianity on Ottomans! There is people who actually want to learn something here. I'm Japanese and I love oriental cultures but you always ruin it by vomiting hate. So please, go away.

honestly as a turk i am becoming more and more conservative when i see people spreading bullshit lies and propaganda about us like this
you're such a bunch of hypocrites, westerners...

It was too big, had there been more empires around in the Middle East and North Africa it may have spurred more development and technology in the area through conflict. All the fighting Europe did centuries ago shaped it into the formidable position it's in now.

>>2649960
hmm i wonder why that was the case, enrico

>>2647115
>On \His\t, they do the cucking.
WE WUZ VIKANGZ AND SHIIEEET

>>2653703
Why are /his/ posters so histrionic?