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Reminder to attend Holy Week services! Even if you are not religious, Orthodox holy week is like nothing else in the world.
Regarding the Latin arguments at the end of the last thread: correct, the Spirit does not proceed of himself, hence his procession is existentially, from the FATHER'S existence; his procession is not essential, for what is essential to God is common to the entire Trinity: if the Father'sonature or essence is the source of the Spirit's procession, then the Spirit's nature would also be the source, since the Spirit and Father are ontologically one and the same. Since the Spirit is NOT the source of the Spirit, his essence cannot precede his existence. Second, the Father's will is not the principle either, since, the Spirit and Father having the same will, that would make the Spirit's will the principle of his own existence. The Father and Son are synonymous with the Spirit except existentially, and so it is clear his procession is existentially, from the Father's existence, not his essence. The principle of the procession and the principle of the begetting are Father's existential properties--not his essential properties, or his will, both these are common to the entire Godhead. Just being begotten is a pure existential property of the Son, and proceeding is a purely existential property of the Spirit; all qualities of the Godhead are either unique to one person--existential qualities--or common to all three, those are ontological qualities, such as essence, operation and will.
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>>2633611
Reminder that Orthodoxy is the stupidest form of heresy out there.
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>>2633611
Divine essence implies divine existence. God is because He must, God is by definition existent. The existence of the Father implies the existence of the Son, and the existence of the Father and the Son implies the existence of the Spirit.
The reality of the filioque is also reflected in the economic trinity. The Father is sent by none. The Son is sent by the Father only. The Spirit is sent by both the Father and the Son. The Father is neither begotten nor proceeding. The Son is begotten of the Father only. The Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.
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Constantine, please come back. Don't let the fedora-wearing neckbeards scare you. They are miserable and empty on the inside. I hope, I know you're reading this.
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>>2633618
Menadacity and sacrilege don't get any funnier or more persuasive with repetition
>>2633790
God's three existences (hypostases), by definition are existential, not essential. Similarly, God's essence is essential, not existential. God must indeed exist, but by definition, that is an existential quality.
>>2633950
I am Constantine.
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>>2635559
>Menadacity and sacrilege don't get any funnier or more persuasive with repetition
>I am Constantine.
Well, you shouldn't have said it in the first place then.
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>>2633618
>muh religion is better than yuh religion
DO NOT POLITICIZE RELIGIONS, FUCKING CATHOLIKEK!
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>>2635564
That isn't my tripcode
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>>2635559
>God must indeed exist, but by definition, that is an existential quality.
The necessity of God's existence comes from divine essence. He must exist because there must be an unmoved mover, an uncreated something.
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>>2637012
God has three existences, please explain how Aristotle makes that logically necessary. Once you do that, explain why a logically necessary existence is essentially necessary rather that existentially necessary.
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>>2637077
The Father implies the Son because of divine love, which in turn implies the Spirit. The Son is begotten by the Father's natural lovingkindness, and from the love between Father and Son the Spirit proceeds.
Existence is essential of God. Divine essence implies divine existence.
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>>2637097
If God were three in essence he'd have three essences. "It's all love, brother" doesn't actually do anything for your argument here. God exists three times because of love? No, he exists three times because that is his innate existential quality, not as a consequence of any other quality like will, intellect or love. Saying the Son is caused by God's love makes him a creation, especially since Filioque theology posits the Spirit as the love between the Father and the Son
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In Orthodoxy, God is operationally (energetically) love, but the begetting is not operational (or essential), since if it were either, it would be common to the whole Trinity; to say there are essential qualities unique to persons of the Trinity, is to posit distinct essences, essential distinction--tritheism. Only existential distinction is Trinitarian
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If the Father essentially begets the Son, but the Spirit does not, then they have different essences. The Father rather existentially begets the Son, and that property is unique to, and inseparable from, the Father's existence.
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>>2637169
>Saying the Son is caused by God's love makes him a creation
No.
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>>2637209
Sabellius pls
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Wait a minute, isn't Orthodox Holy Week NEXT week?
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Fuck off, Christcuck
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>>2637847
Yes it does, because it distinguishes the Father's love from the Son's (else the Son would co-begettor, since the love that begets him is just as much the Son as the Father).
>>2637857
Quite the reverse, Sabellianism is denying any distinction of hypostatic qualities, which is exactly what the Filioque does by making hypostatic qualities common.
>>2637993
No, we're celebrating with everyone else this year
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