Why can't Africa just follow the developmental model that

>>2629137
Guns, Germs, and Steel.

Then the West would support them in the same way? Forgive their debt, allow them to nationalize industries, enact protectionist measures, and so on?

>>2629137
Rwanda is doing it, it helps because the genocide really blew off a lot of later hurdles nations face in the process of development.

Ethiopia is doing better but hopefully Oromo will get better representative power.

Madagascar is once again a clothing manufacturing hub, hope it improves and expands.

>>2629153
I think Africa has all three of those by now. Actually, the guns and germs are probably holding them back.

>>2629164
Madagascar won't be there by 2100 if there soil erosion rate continues.

>>2629164
>Rwanda is doing it, it helps because the genocide really blew off a lot of later hurdles nations face in the process of development.

Nigger what?

>>2629137
The East and Southeast Asian countries have a lot of coastline and easy access to the sea, which is good for export led economies. Meanwhile much of Africa is landlocked

>>2629137
Because that suited them and the economic and political climate at the time and completely different starting scenarios.

Singapore was a Brits colony filled with Chinese people brought in as the "middle man" people situated in the BUSIEST shipping lane in the world and Britain actually invested in the colony because they really needed to for the port to function.

Hong Kong was British colony and in the later years they worked to improve it. not sure past that

China has a mass population to draw it's labor pool from and man ways to lower costs of labour to do so. On top of that western companies moved to China for their manufacturing because it was cheaper.

South Korea had massive American and to a lesser but no less important Japanese help.

Taiwan has American and Japanese assistance and upstarted polices that mainland China did not until later on. Also did a lot of how do you say tech manufacturing which made better profits

Vietnam is China/Taiwan 2.0

Those places were allowed to enact protectionist polices. You can't do that shit nowadays.

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>>2629207
Here's map of it.
Also one should not that roads are pretty iffy so transpiration to the coast is slower.

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>>2629164
>Madagascar being a hub for sweatshops and vicious exploitation is success

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>Africa will never devel-

>>2629224
What about Malaysia?

>>2629262
They can build their economy first and worry about quality of life later. That's how it usually goes with developing countries.

>>2629282
Oil until it busted and the collapse in 1998 I think but correct me on this

>>2629293
It's much better to do the latter first then the former development wise.

Also Kerala focused on QoL and it's much better of then the rest of India barring 3 other states in it which are close.

Because Africans are not hard working as Asians.

Latin America couldn't follow that model either for the same reason.

>>2629303
So better than most of its working-age population has to work in the Gulf States. It literally relies on remittances.

>muh HDI

Amartya Sen is a commie who devised the "Human Development Index" as a propaganda tool for unproductive socialist economies which spend a lot of other people's money in welfare, like Kerala and Cuba.

>>2629318
He isn't a commie though.

>>2629305
That's a "just-so" ism anon.

>>2629190
It's actually pretty over estimated and even natural without human intervention. Though yes erosion control is needed
>>2629195
As were the Asian tiger economies
>>2629305
This is false if you've ever met african women subsistence farmers, sellers and crafters
>>2629195
After the genocide there is intentional effort in destroying caste differences and forming change so that as their economy grows they won't go tribalist like Xhosa and Zulu on SA

>>2629328
I define who is a commie and who isn't.

>>2629331
>After the genocide there is intentional effort in destroying caste differences and forming change so that as their economy grows they won't go tribalist like Xhosa and Zulu on SA

Lol no.

>>2629331
>After the genocide there is intentional effort in destroying caste differences and forming change so that as their economy grows they won't go tribalist like Xhosa and Zulu on SA
So a multicultural society literally cannot function? Then why are Singapore and Malaysia some of the most successful economies in ASEAN?

>>2629318
I think the idea of Human Development Index is fair. It means that you can't skyrocket to the top of a ranking by having a select few people owning ludicrous amounts of oil wealth if your country's actually really shit to live in for most people.

>>2629271
I've seen this pic before. This is in Australia

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>>2629702
That greentext is pretty bs though. You know how hard it is and fucked up living in a place where your neighbors turned mob bent on blood are now your neighbors again or how that guy you nearly killed is now works for you are your restaurant.

Cambodian genocide aftermath is equally as fucked up.

>>2629137
>why can't africa just overcome centuries of european colonialism and exploitation at the drop of a hat

>>2630046
European here, it was shit when we found it desu

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>>2630046
>70+ years
>Drop of a hat

>>2630050
Not really.

>>2629137
Empire_of_dust.jpg

>>2630046
What was indochina. What was the opium war. What was the occupation of singapore. What was the the British control of Hong Kong.

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>>2630055
In the context of history it's not that big. Mind you that the Cold War happened and economic setbacks like the oil glut which fucked up oil prices for oil based countries in Africa AND foreign interference.

Also it's more like 57 years to be hones and that the earliest. some got independence alter on like Eritrea or South Sudan.

>>2630057
What are you trying to get at referring toa lacklustre documentary.

>>2630046
Turns out, Asia went through colonization too.

>>2630086
Very different methods and ways of rule between both and both had complete different post colinisation starting points, but yes you are correct

>>2630046
>>2630079
In the scope of things, Africa really wasn't colonized for that long either.
I'm not saying that colonization isn't a huge factor in post imperialism Africa, but it certainly isn't the only factor.

>>2630140
It's like one of the biggest factors. Not the only but a pretty huge one that's the figurative pink elephant in the room.

It's like the Dio Brando of history for Africa

>>2630169
The thing is though, practically the whole rest of the world was colonized as well and each area reacted differently. This is obviously for a couple of reasons, but the point im trying to make is that a lot of the problems Africa has today were around long before the Europeans came into the picture.
It would be more productive if, especially now that imperialism in Africa has been largely removed, people recognized all the issues which caused Africa's current situation, instead of pointing to the European boogeyman. Fixing them is more important than looking for a convenient scapegoat.
Of course, all of these problems were made a hundred times worse by imperialism, but the underlying issues were/are still there

>>2629137
Because Africans are too incompetent

ITT: A bunch of sheletered little white kids

South african here (white), africa doesn't develop (in fact its regressing as it gets blacker) because darkies are subhumans. Their IQ is abysmal. Full stop, no other explanation needed. Our colonization helped them greatly but they can't maintain it.

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>>2629137
You mean Sub-Saharan Africa?
Blacks

>inb4 banned for "rayseesm" boogieman
Fuck this to-be-SJW site! Got banned many times for just saying N****r. They told me to put "rayseesm" in /b/.

>>2630056
Oh yes it was

>>2630221
Bringing dictatorial money driven systems and exploiting etnical diversity to create racial divisions under the old divide and conquer philosophy often leaves deep marks un any country

You look at a town like Windhoek and go "meh this isn't so bad," then travel outside the main city and it's miles of fucking shitty prefab houses and other garbage.

>>2630432
Namibia is a nation of 2.3 million in a massive desert and extremely limited means of development.

Like they can even use farming as a way to develop it's citizens and that's like the best way to start for many people with limited education.

>>2630486
they cant farm though, theres a greentext about a guy who did volunteer work in africa and the fact of the matter is africans cant think ahead and agriculture that requires investment is rarley done since they squander their money if they even manage to grow crops.

>>2629137
Why on earth do you expect humans that emerged from 80.000 B.C to function like humans that emerged in 42,000 B.C?

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>>2630046
>pic related,
its India, going to mars

>>2629137
They have a significantly lower IQ.

>>2630380
This, it's also why Haiti has never come close to its relevance as a colony since they declared independence and executed the white population/seized their assets that hadn't already fled.

>>2629305
"I have no idea what Latin America is like" the post.

>>2631440
Do they speak Latin there?

>>2631357

>emerged

From what?

>>2629164
Rwanda is the Germany of Africa. The Tutsis are hyper efficient, as far as black Africans go.

>>2629137
Resource curse. There's not a lot of incentive to increasing the wealth of the populace.

>>2633218
No. Spanish and Portuguese, in Brazil generally.

>>2629233

that map of now landlocked Paraguay

>Argentina faps

>>2631362
>SUPERPOWER BY 2020

>>2631440
t. Pablo Pacho de Burrito

>why can't two regions with a mean IQ difference of more than a standard deviation (15 points) develop the same way?

>why can't regions with wildly different geography, natural resources, etc. develop the same way?

>>2630056
Yes really, pre-colonial Africa was basically Mankind: circa 2000 BC. It was nothing less than primitive.

>>2633680
>natural resources

there are many things africa lacks, but resources is not one of them

>>2631440

Really is though, I could easily live in parts of costa rica and belize (maybe panama) and be very comfortable.

Where could I say the same in Africa? Even Africa's "best" countries are still shit tier for the most part. South Africa, Rwanda, Namibia? Yea I think I'll sit on the beach and listen to cumbia in costa rica instead...

>>2633686
>Yes really, pre-colonial Africa was basically Mankind: circa 2000 BC. It was nothing less than primitive.

Not really though. do you even know what 200 BC was or is?

>>2633698
>To evaluate the colonial legacy, we need to distinguish it from the situation and trends at the beginning of colonial rule, which in most of Sub-Saharan Africa occurred during the European “Scramble”, from 1879 to circa 1905. At that time the region was, as before, characterised generally (not everywhere all the time) by an abundance of cultivable land in relation to the labour available to till it (Hopkins 1973; Austin 2008a). This did not mean “resource abundance” as much of Africa’s mineral endowment was either unknown or inaccessible with pre-industrial technology or was not yet valuable even overseas. For example, many of the major discoveries (notably of oil in Nigeria and diamonds in Botswana) were to occur only during the period of decolonisation. Moreover, the fertility of much of the land was relatively low or at least fragile, making it costly or difficult to pursue intensive cultivation, especially in the absence of animal manure.

Those minerals wer either useless at the time, needed more modern tech ot extract or find or just weren't spotted until pretty damn late

>>2631330
>Believing a shitty greentext and anecdotes?

Bet you took that article about African languages having no concept of time at direct face value

>>2633869
Also volunteers are jackshit worthless in the vast majority of cases.

>>2633872
Yeah, Asia did well because they worked hard to attract foreign direct investment and business instead of charity.

>>2629137
>China
>Vietnam
>Tigers
isn't China just benefitting off a large source of Cheap labor and Vietnam following China's example since they're both commies employing capitalism?

>>2634943
How do you think Taiwan, Japan, and SK got to where they are now?

>>2634921
They got massive help that us basically charity to reach that spot though from multiple entities anon.

>>2634953
U.S.A needed it's allies to do well. USA didn't need allies in Africa per say, just people who aren't with the reds; asides from that they can rot in poverty for all they care.

>>2633862
>talking about pre-colonization usefulness of minerals
>in a thread about post-colonization

>>2634948
Free money from being allied to America and used to box in China.

This is why China is so insistent on controlling the islands in the South China Sea, because they see it as a way to break out of the naval encirclement created by South Korea, Japan and Taiwan.

>>2633698
Yeah, but the key is "different" natural resources. You can't transplant Chinese rare earth metal mining ideas onto African diamond mining, for example.

>>2635051
He is referring to the fact that East Asia had a strong resource abundance before colonization so they already had their footing as nations before colonization which eases decolonization. Since Africans could not access their resources until decolonization they have not had the centuries of prep time to build stable nations Asians had.

>>2633700
cape town's pretty nice.

>>2629137
Gums, Germans and Steal

>>2636106
Most African pre-colonial states/nation's got wrecked and neutered so there was no continuium from those entities to now since it was a massive disjointed jump between the two.

>>2636129
What do the Germans have to do with it? They had German East Africa and Tsingdao and not much else.

>>2637796
I believe he was memeing my friend.

>>2630046
Africa was most prosperous during colonialism.

>>2633855
Stone tools and mud huts, sounds like africa to me.

>>2633676
Mexico is different from South America. You guys use the term "Latin America" because you don't want Mexico to be part of the same continent but it is.

>>2637890

In geography only. Mexico is just as much a thoroughly corrupt shit hole as the majority of banana republics to it's south and spanish speaking bros on the other side of the equator. More so than a few actually. Comparing it to the US or Canada, bc it's in north america is silly.

>>2637940
I meant culturally. You think it's the same just because they all speak spanish but it's as silly as thinking Irish and Americans are the same because they share the same language.

USA also has corruption too. Why didn't people want to put Hillary in power again?
The difference is that there's more punishment while in South America the rich people can get away with it.

Chile is in the 38th in the HDI ranking.
Argentina is in the 45th place.
Mexico is 77 in the HDI ranking.

Brazil is the 8th richest country in terms of GDP. It's also huge as fuck and it has a lot of inequality so there are very rich places and very poor places.
Right now things are changing in terms of corruption with the operation car wash targetting corrupt politicians.

>>2629207
Also, the Asian tigers are all along the busiest trade route in history. There's not much point in a trade lane circumnavigating Africa unless you really really wanted to stop by South Africa on your way to Europe or Asia.

>>2635952
I think Taiwan got little to no aid outside of military aid.

>>2630400
Go to a therapist or something dude

>>2629137
Because they had the societies and economies to do so in the first place, as well as, (in the case of Japan and South Korea) a vast financial crutch called the USA, they also happened to be in position for that economic growth during the golden age that was the post-ww2 global economy.

>>2629153
Fucking hell. It's a decent book but it doesn't even pretend to have an answer to this particular question.

Actual answers:
-lack of human capital. Whether you think it's innate or due to a lack of education funding or whatever, literacy, numeracy, and higher education rates are crazy low in sub saharan Africa.
-lack of institutional/cultural capital. East Asians have been living in complex bureaucratized states for thousands of years. SSAs haven't.

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>>2629137
S-so this is the power of capitalism.

>>2629137
https://economics.mit.edu/files/4123

The Colonial Origins of Comparative Development: An Empirical Investigation

One of the most influential papers on colonial development

>>2630086
see
>>2638680

>>2629137
Nothing is wong (lol) with the pictures on the left side. The same structures are still there in fact. The difference is that they replaced an authentic home grown culture for more materialist consumerism and largely vacant sky boners, "the needless waste created by capitalism without philosophy, the needless colonization of planets, the needless circulation of slanted media, and the needlessly tall buildings that symbolize all of this!"

>>2638758
Those sky boners contain shit that help develop that economy.

>>2629137
>he thinks colonialism ended

http://www.siliconafrica.com/france-colonial-tax/

>>2638231
No they got aid from the U.S.
Uncle Sam was pretty generous back then and that's an understatement. Yes not for altruistic purposes but generous nonetheless.

>>2638770
Oh really just what exactly. You know skyscrapers aren't permitted in the capital of perhaps the largest and most powerful capitalist economy in the world.

>>2638770
Zurich doesn't have any skyscrapers either. Those are just for countries that get shafted.

>>2629271
Obviously Melbourne

>>2638790
That makes no sense anon. Singapore is a city state so I don't think they have the choice to do so and Washington DC isn't important at all barring it's government purposes since it' economic centre for the nation is elsewhere.

>>2629137
The economic ladder of development has been pulled up for most viable and reasonable methods.

Like unless you can develop off something like tourism which lol you really can't if you are anything but an island nation and even in my mentioned instance they are still very limited.

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>>2629183
>Bazinga!

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>>2629271
>trying to prove how civilized africa is
>accidentally post a picture of another country
>there is no city in africa as aesthetic as the previous post so you pre-refute any future picture of african progress you post.

>>2638836
There aren't any in Munich and negligibly any in Berlin. They're just for countries that adopted laissez-faire full on.

>>2629233
>Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan are considered landlocked
>Countries which border closed seas are always considered landlocked
If there was an island country in the middle of the Caspian Sea, would it be considered landlocked?

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Are you seriously unaware of the VERY obvious answer for this question?

Is political correctness corrupted this board so much that OBVIOUS THRUTHS and REALITY can't be discussed?

SUB-SAHARIAN AFRICANS ARE, ON AVERAGE, ARE RETARDED. It's no one's fault and nothing can be done to change that.

>>2638870
Google image search says Lagos though.

>>2638875
So there aren't any in cultural capitals, but plenty in financial capitals.

>>2638911
Some of those financial capitals are a lot smaller than Singapore. It's capitalism without philosophy or purpose to society.

>>2638932
Do you know anything about Singapore at all in anyway.

>>2639276
What everyone else knows probably, another example lauded as the "success" of the free market.

>>2629195
Less niggers

>>2631380
I know you're probably just being racist, but I actually agree with you. Not on a racial basis, but in that here in South Africa the education system is being so shockingly managed that a black intellectual actually stated a couple of years ago, publically, that education for blacks was better under appartheid. A country cannot move forward while it butchers the education of its people.

>>2636111
>random anon on the internet essentially holds my city up as best in Africa
Thanks anon, I agree, it's pretty nice here. Crime is a constant factor, but as long as you're smart and protect your home properly it doesn't really affect you.

>>2638897
But are they retarded because muh niggers or are they retarded because they're poor and uneducated? I'd argue China probably would have been red as well during the Century of Humiliation/Mao era.

>>2639344
>that education for blacks was better under appartheid.
And why is that? Pray tell me the reason, my melanin-enriched friend.

>>2639403
China today is still full of poorfags who live in villages, hence their low GDP per capita. Still manage to educate the poorfags.

>>2639425
Not him but I very much doubt it was better during Apartheid. They key thing with SA is that now it has to dedicate much more resources educating small populace to a much bigger one where larger % have had educational institutions that have been frankly very ass because they were neglected, under funded and very strained.

>>2639849
No rural Chinese are very uneducated anon.

You know the Chinese restrict migration form rural areas into cities, better yet did you know that China always zones out and bars the poorer and rural kids from entering the public school system and plus the effects of the hukou system that forces many children of migrants back to their rural villages to attend school.

China jsuth as very good schools and a lot lot lot of shitty rural schools.

>>2639921
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2013/12/03/tom-loveless-shanghai-pisa-test-scores-almost-meaningless-hukou-a-factor/

Here's why China's Shanghai score is so exceptional. Basically the same thing American High schools do with testing.

>>2639921
The alternative is hundreds of millions of villagers piling into the cities and causing collapse of infrastructure and public services and housing shortages and homelessness. That's why they are building the so called ghost cities, for future controlled migration.

>>2630426
Same thing happened to India but despite of that they developed their own space program. Mind explaining that?

>>2629183
This coment needs more apreciation, I'm Keking hard.

>why arent a Sub-Saharan resourceless country, with no nation or foreign support become a citystate

im not sure OP
but im guessing its because you are a faggot

>>2640074
delusion grandeur, its a backwards poor shithole with nukes and satelites

>>2639352
>Crime is a constant factor, but as long as you're smart and protect your home properly it doesn't really affect you.
I don't even use keys, my doors are ever open, and you can jump the little fence than "guards" the house. Living in a little city in Spain. Cape town sounds like a nightmare.

>>2629303
>It's much better to do the latter first then the former development wise.

Never been done.

>>2640088
How many backwards African shitholes have a space program?

>>2629137
Probably they have politicians/dictators who don't believe in the model. Same thing happens in some Latin American countries where the slightly bigger majority believes in socialism, big government and the rest believes in less state. They keep pointing out how the model in those countries worked but them socialists/communists come up with some bullshit excuses as to why it wouldn't work in said country.

>>2640100
Isn't Africa old but at the same time "new" when it comes to having nations? They were tribal and the countries where cut without respecting tribes. They have a lot of learning to do and obstacles to overcome, I'd guess.

While India is old in every sense.

>>2640149
If nothing else, North and South Korea should be a clear indicator that the Soviet style socialist command economy is inferior to the free market. You can't argue that they had cultural or genetic differences or a different economic starting off point when the split occurred.

>>2640156
Why don't they just get together and agree to redraw the borders in a more sensible way?

>>2640474
Most governments don't want to give up resources, be they natural or human.

>>2630221
>Of course, all of these problems were made a hundred times worse by imperialism

what exactly are the underlying problems?

>>2638014
I don't get what you're trying to say. That Mexico is shit?
Mexican products are found in Markets throughout the continent, both food stuff and finished products.
So does it really make a difference whether Argentina and Chile have higher HDI's than Mexico when even Brazil the super power has to protect their markets because some things such as cars and tvs imported from mexico are cheaper and better made?

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>>2640474
Because then Africa would look like the HRE on steroids.

>>2640328
North was actually better for a time but that mau have been due to soviet funding.

>>2640149
Asia occupied a different ate and had a completely different history then either of those places dramatically.

>Look! tall buildings!!! isn't this progress!!
>ignore the people being happier in the past, the inflation, taxes and the lose of culture.

>>2641578
That map is pretty absurd though.
Madagascar they all speak the same language and are all Malagasy.

>>2641738
Nice strawman.

>>2629137
civilization 5000 years

>>2641738
Singapore is better in every single metric then Africa in total which op is hinting at and it's true.

Poverty is not a virtue contrary to what people with a noble savaheseque view of reality or people who think meme industries Are a viable way to development.

>>2641791
>meme industries
Yeah perpetual bubbles and increased suicide rates, depression, and meds is just what we need to feel fulfilled, yolo.

>>2641803
Yet that is way better then the alternative.

>>2641934
>Possibilities only exist in two extremes
>Either full on cronyism or poverty stricken collectivisation
>It's not like balances of responsible profiteering exist.

>>2641934
I think you may also be exaggerating by claiming that it's way better. You need to actually take a look at the world outside sometimes to verify whether any of that is true.

>>2629137
Jesus Christ, did leftypol take over the board?

It's because niggers are fucking RETARDED

>>2642066
>has no argument

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>>2629137
>Why can't Africa just
>Africa
>just

>>2642066
So brave

>>2642098
You should visit Africa

>>2642098
Name a single study where blacks outscore whites on cognitive tests

>>2642116
Nice strawman, just like the one you attribute its support on here to.

>>2642128
>muh bell curve

>>2642101
Well that's the same attitudes cronyists take with lower income earners and the destitute in the developed world. It's just that Africa can't be expected to be on par with the rest of the capitalist world after having it first introduced to them through colonisation and then having to struggle to adapt themselves to a modern economy after independence and being largely neglected by the rest of the world after.
The colonial world would have been better off had they been left to their own devices. All those people living in squalid conditions live in urbanized modern societies while the primitive tribes across the world (>inb4 muh medicine) look better off. The West has only taught a few strong men their tricks who then go on to take advantage of the majority who are still in ignorance. Then global enterprises continue to do business with and exploit what industry happens to come about. Many adhere to the notion of life not being fair but it's pretty useless to constantly whine about something once the causes of it are understood.

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>>2642293
>tfw pawn off your own people in droves like cattle then blame white people for it
muh reparations?

>>2642023
Singapore actually is better then African in every metric how can you deny this or go "yes but..."? There is no field that Africa matches in Singapore one bit.

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>>2638674
>China and Vietnam
>capitalist

>>2642293
I guess it was also colonialism's fault that ancient Africans couldn't even come up with the wheel and lived in mud houses, while even fucking cannibalist spics were mining gold and making cities and empires.

>>2639907
It has to spend more resources educating the populace because ludicrously high construction budgets get funneled into private pockets in exchange for personal payments ad the like. There was one a while ago where a school was being built for 100 rand a brick. That's currently about 7 US dollars I think, and it was a hell of a lot more back then. Plus a horrifically disproportionate salary distribution. Plus the attitude being that if the pass rates are too low, the only solution is to drop the pass mark, and similar issues. The argument that was made, IIRC, was that at least under apartheid they were taught trade skills, even if they were mostly barred from further education, making it better than a shot at higher education but a far greater chance of a worthless 12-year degree. Seriously, it's been 23 years since Apartheid ended. It should not take that long to see an improvement, but our education system has consistently been getting worse my entire life.

>>2642318
>The most catastrophic conflicts ever were fought between ethnic Europeans?
Oh well it still doesn't prove their economic stability was as bad as it is today. Also why should an entire group be held accountable for the actions a single despot. Moving the goalpost much?
It's not that people are poor because they want to, rather it's because they are actually physically and instructionally hindered.

>>2642351
>couldn't even come up with the wheel
What the fuck is this revisionist hogshit?

>>2642351
>All those people living in squalid conditions live in urbanized modern societies while the primitive tribes across the world (>inb4 muh medicine) look better off.

>Many adhere to the notion of life not being fair but it's pretty useless to constantly whine about something once the causes of it are understood.

>>2629338
In Rwanda it is a crime to declare yourself a Hutu or a Tutsi. That's some pretty clear top-down ethnic line destruction

>>2642318
And Arabs weren't colonising and introducing capitalism either, not that it would have been good if they tried.

>muh violence according to proportion
Yeah a few dozen warrior fighting with spears and lances is so much more terrifying and detrimental to the ecology of the planet than modern mechanized industrial warfare with higher numbers of participants due to the populational growth afforded by said industrialisation.

>>2642368
>physically and instructionally hindered
There's the key anon. I'm glad we agree

>>2642441
It's percentage of the world population at the time dumbass. It's already adjusted

>>2629137
niggers

>>2642376
I'm sorry. It was bait. My point still stands though. They've always been behind

>>2642487
And by that I mean empowered despots keeping them from improvement.

>>2642403
Yet the class and ethnic division still stands.

>>2629137
But it did anon, only in Germany colonies

>>2643076
No they were pretty dog shit and only for extraction purposes. Asides from that just as shitty with plenty of issues like every other African colony.

>>2643264
Don't know how any sane person can think Germany was any exceptional with it's colonies unless they have some hardon for it.

>>2637872

Sumeria was an advanced civillization and that was fucking 5000 BCE. Learn history pls

>>2641711
Just like the US funded South Korea.

>>2640149
Latin America has a lot of socialist sentiment because they've seen the shitty side of capitalism.

>>2638897
In the early 20th century, people pointed to IQ tests saying that Italians, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs were supposedly less intelligent as well.

>>2643457
>expecting someone on /his/ to know history
Really?

>>2629137

Some African nations did, others didn't. Rwanda, botswana, Namibia, a few west African countries, sort of Kenya, are doing okay, others aren't

>>2643661
This is false. A myth created by the communist Stephen Jay Gould, which became mantra because it was repeated by the communists in academia.

>>2638231
lloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Here's a thought:

China and India already supply enough labor for the entire planet, so there aren't any low-end factory jobs for Sub-Saharan Africans to take.

>>2643646
Capitalism is shitty on those with low IQs, because people with low IQs cannot thrive in an advanced technological society which characterizes capitalism.

I do agree that Latin Americans should have a more agrarian type civilization, with perhaps capitalistic cities/capitals.

>>2629233
Damn, poor Bolivia.

>>2644526
No Jews did pretty fucking awful. Only until they ha the safety of America did they actually start to flourish because despite all the shit they received it was nothing compared to to back home in Eastern Europe where most Jews lived and even other parts of Europe they faced bs. You know Jews were the original ghetto dwellers?

>>2644747
Do you ever listen to yourself at all?

>>2644883
Like, record myself and listen to my own voice? No.

Prove me wrong though. Protip: you can't

>>2644743
Until China and India raise their standard of living and suddenly they aren't so cheap anymore.

>>2645486
I suspect the proliferation of automation will to a large degree circumvent this but all in the timing I suppose.

>>2629161
Don't bring debt into this. Africans have been shown far more forgiveness on the debt issue than say, Greece has. Vastly more in fact. And Greece hasn't turned into a sub-saharan tier state as a result of that.

>>2638169
>Also, the Asian tigers are all along the busiest trade route in history.

You are confusing cause and consequence here.

East Asian trade is voluminous precisely because they make a lot of shit other people want in the first place.

Typical leftard attitude that wealth is this static pot of gold that the powers that be purposefully keep away from the arms of deserving niglets.

>>2645519
Greece also has a nice Mediterranean climate instead of Sub Saharan Africa heat and disease.

>>2639921
China's literacy rate is something like 95%, with fucking THOUSANDS OF LOGOGRAPHIC CHARACTERS.

Will libtards EVER get tired of being wrong?

>>2645526
No east Asia always had massive trade historically vs Africa.

Like marine trade it's really night and day because west Africa has very few natural harbours, aKsum lost it Christian allies nearby so it's trade got castrated and only the Swahili coast and north Africa got notable trade.

>>2646843
Literacy rates aren't a good indicator if quality though. The Chinese education system for the vast majority of its people emphasis in attendance and nothing more so the quality of said education is very weak.

Because Africa sucks as a place to live.

>>2648858
Ever played fire emblem before?

>>2629195
>Not knowing one of the best /his/stories: "Rwanda is African Prussia"

GET /out/

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>>2629137
Because of something called the Icy Conflict

Also they were mostly exploited for resources and Europeans didn't invest as much into them as they did with other colonies like in Asia (Hong Kong and Singapore).

The borders the Euros set up divided ethnic groups and paired them up with other groups they considered enemies, so there was no cohesion and cooperation with the populations in the countries.

And, of course, culture.
These guys were (with some exceptions) savages, and it takes time for them to adapt and adopt new ideas that will help them prosper. It took centuries for Germany, the Scandinavians, and the slavic peoples to be considered civilized after their Christianization.

>>2649091
You post is just so very vague and missing a fuck ton of key points and some misinformation.

>>2649091
>Icy Conflict

I don't even see this in google at all relating to Africa.

>>2629702
>So a multicultural society literally cannot function

They can, but multiculturalism will always be a drag on society. It's something strong nations afford as a luxury and weak nations simply can't survive.

>>2649258
"Weak" Singapore did just fine as a multicultural society.

>>2649117
Try "chilly confrontation"

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>>2649290
multiculturalism works when there's no freedom of speech

>>2634953
Who did China get help from? Russian commies spat in their face.

>>2644882
You're confusing your Jewish ethic groups, anon.

>>2639403
Both. Genetically less intelligent than everyone else, and less educated partly because of that.

Genetics do matter. The world is an uneven place. Not everyone is equally capable. Nothing is fair or balanced like some MMO.

>>2649480
I feel like people like you are average people wanting to find someone to feel superior to.

>>2649491
Bell curves, brah

>>2649491
Average people inherently already have people to feel superior to. They don't need to find them. Your insult makes no sense.

>>2649440
>Who did China get help from?

The bodies of millions from the Great Leap. 3rd to Steel and concrete Humans bodies make great bridges.

>>2649480
That's a pure just-so-ism.
What genetics exactly? Why do people use genetics as an appeal to nature with no understanding of it.

>>2629137
Rwanda's leader since genocide has been heavily into the Asian Tiger model, and the economy has been growing consistently.

As for all people airing Racist thoughts... go somewhere stable in Africa if you have the opportunity and talk to people. You may find:

A) The image you likely have in your mind of Africa as a unilateral shitstorm is wrong.

B) Many if not most people you meet will seem more intelligent and thoughtful than the average American.

...there's just so many crazy preconceptions about Africa that get smashed as soon as you spend some time there.

>>2649621
I have. This meme about travel always destroying rascism is just that; a meme. I believed all that shit before trying to help in Africa for years.

Exposure causes racism, not the other way around. Look at any attitudes found in diverse areas vs gates communities. Or expand that to a macro scale of just populations in a region vs racist beliefs.

>>2650650
Racists are dumb.

>>2649621
Africans are still retarded, if they look smart too you it is because you compared them to fucking y*nks

>>2629702
>hutu and Tutsi
>Distinct cultures

>>2638897
is there a source for ANY of the data on this map? Because at the moment I'm going to guess that 90% of this is just pulled straight outta your asshole.

>>2646843
>criticises liberals
>Praises a totalitarian communist state

nice one there laddy looks like freedom is secure once again :^)

>>2650650
>I
There's where you went wrong. An n=1.

>>2649007
well now i know the story can i stay

>>2639344
>the education system is being so shockingly managed that a black intellectual actually stated a couple of years ago

Education is not related to IQ. As our current research suggests it's almost purely genetic, aside from obvious environmental factors (lead poisoning in mother etc.) Blacks are genetically constrained to being dumber than east asians and whites as an overarching rule, with exception of course.

>>2650728
>Our current research
By our you mean /pol/, right?

because the mean IQ of subsaharan africans is in the 80s (even when raised in first world coutnries with first world education systems) but the mean IQ of east asians is over 100

>>2650734
Explain Rwanda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9C3r5_U760

>>2650739
explain what?

>>2630046
>centuries
Most of Africa was only under direct European rule for about 100 years. The race for Africa started in the late 19th century, and decolonisation started shortly after WW2.

>>2650749
>Why can't Africa just follow the developmental model that Asian Tigers did? It's worked well for Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, China, even Vietnam.

>When the talk turns to business, Mr Kagame becomes animated. It is his passion—he says he reads business case studies in bed. He wants to turn Rwanda into the Singapore of central Africa. He is nothing if not ambitious.

http://www.todayonline.com/world/africa/rwanda-wants-turn-itself-africas-singapore

>>2650769
>>2650765
I don't understand your point. Saying you want to do something isn't the same as doing it. Until it actually happens, it's just words.

>>2651155
They're already growing 8% per year

>>2639403
intelligence != education
IQ tests deal in the brain's ability to deal with abstractions and patters, not trivia like "what were the reigning years of King Henry VIII of England". This is why I'll never understand this "IQ tests are biased towards whites and bullshit" shit.

>>2652250
Because you have to be familiar with testing culture to do well. A fuck ton of tests have a typical format on how the question are portrayed and if you have a weak school experience you will struggle on that since you basis for studying for those tests will be weaker (many places have limited electricity so you chem period to study outside of class is milted). In Asia they really hammer down and to an extent heavily overemphasis testing where application of that knowledge outside of typical scenarios portrayed in tests causes difficulty.

>>2652250

Yes, and most education systems don't just teach facts but also train abstract thinking and other things. A good education system leads to a generally more intelligent populace.

>>2652250
The most complete IQ tests do have trivia-like questions. Semantic memory, yo.