Why it is so common for self-identyfing Marxists to idolize certain

>>2611017
Hypocrisy is the central precept of Marxism

Most marxists aren't tankies.
I'd say it's against leftism in general. You can't promote horizontalism and deify people at the same time.

>>2611017
Marxism idolizes a godless utopia so why wouldn't it created idolatrous leaders?

>>2611017
>Why it is so common for self-identyfing Marxists
It isn't. Your question assumes a premise you haven't proven.

>>2611037
Are you going to make the argument that most marxists don't deify at least one of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Castro/Che?

>>2611041
Are you going to ask me to prove a negative, while being unable to prove it positive?

>>2611037


But it is. At least in Mexico where I live people always idolized Fidel and said it was his revolution and it didn't matter that he was in power for 40 fucking years. Maybe in USA is different, but I highly doubt it.

>>2611017
Because marxism is a kind of a christian ideology and like early christianism it gets "pagan" elements which permeate the ideology.

>>2611045
>Fidel
>Marxist

The guy was a nationalist. Nationalism and Marxism don't mix.

>>2611045
In the USA there's an expat community dedicated to calling him a terrorist and war criminal. Everyone else has basically no opinion of him, even leftists.

To be honest, and this is simply based off my discussions with friends who live in Latin/South America, it seems like people deify him not for his politics but for standing up to the United States and seemingly 'winning.'

>>2611053

I agree. But ask any average joe Marxist and they will say he is indeed Marxist.

>>2611063
Why would I ask american college students about what Marx meant when he specifically said nationality is a government spook and the workers of the world should unite to overthrow warmongering governments and redistribute the land according to need, not past large scale violence?

He wasn't exactly subtle in his anti-nationalist message, and neither was Castro about being a nationalist.

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Chairman Mao is the very red sun that shines most brightly in our hearts. He is the great teacher, great leader, great supreme commander and great helmsman selected by the proletariat and the revolutionary’ people of China and the world in the course of their protracted revolutionary struggles. He is the authority of the world proletarian struggle in the present era. ... He has the most profound Marxist-Leninist wisdom and the richest experience in struggle. ...Chairman Mao is the greatest Marxist-Leninist, the most outstanding proletarian leader and the greatest genius of our era. ...
Comrade Lin Piao says that a genius like Chairman Mao appears in the world only once in hundreds of years, or in China only once in thousands of years. Chairman Mao is the world’s greatest genius. ... Chairman Mao will always be our supreme leader, our supreme commander and the red sun shining most brightly in our hearts. Without him, there would not be the great Party we now have, nor our great army and great country; the Chinese people would have nothing, and the people of the world would find it impossible to achieve their liberation. ...We will always follow him closely and thoroughly establish the absolute authority of our great supreme commander Chairman Mao. We pledge our lives to defend Chairman Mao’s position as the supreme leader. Anyone who opposes Chairman Mao stands condemned by all of us, the whole Party; he will be denounced by all of us, the entire nation.

>>2611044
Well, the most obvious example is the ubiquitous Che tee, a commodity forged from the labor of some overseas proletariat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_in_fashion
https://www.thechestore.com/

>>2611091
Mao was undoubtedly a genius. In a way he was the Last Chinese, in the same way we refer to certain figures as the 'Last Spartan' or the 'Last Roman'. His chief sin, to me, is ensuring that he would be the Last Chinese by destroying all that made him in the first place.

>>2611017
Communism is about the collective of the masses and Castro is supposed to be the image of Cuba and of Marxism. Also he's had a cool life and demeanor.

>>2611101
This only proves his fans aren't Marxists.

>>2611053
He was a Nationalist and a Marxist at once.

>>2611139
Ah so thats the angle, self-professed marxists are in fact something else. Fair enough I guess, better to term them Communists, Stalinists, Leninists to appease your autism.

>>2611142

But as that anon said Marx was a globalist.

>>2611170
He was an economic Marxist who used the Socialism in One Country/ Dictatorship of the Proletariat theorized by Lenin.

>>2611174

If he was a Marxist why wasn't he against the cult of personality bullshit? Hell, they even celebrated his birthday in Cuba.

>>2611145
Self-professed Napoleon reincarnate are usually not Napoleon also.
If you would just tell me what your believes are, I am sure I can easily name someone who says he is such a person too, yet you'd be quick to dismiss that.

>>2611194
You could ask the same of Lenin, Stalin, Kim Sung Il, Mugabe, Mao, the list goes on...

>>2611174
>Socialism in One Country
This just means "I want all my population's best and brightest to go live abroad where they can be rich and exploit, and all of my neighbor's dumbest shits to come leech off our welfare".
Socialism in one country doesn't exist.

>>2611206

I am not saying otherwise.

>>2611211
The point being they're all people who read Marx's works and agreed they would go about the most reasonable ways to being it about. Thus they're Marxists.

>>2611220

Can you explain what do you mean about the most rational way?

>>2611220
Marx wrote how it would come about. Big workers unions, syndicates, strikes and so on.
The workers have the power, if they all stop working and the bosses have no choice but to submit.
This requires global strategy, since when in the UK workers stopped working, the bosses just fired them and imported temporary workers from the continent, and the strike failed. All workers must unite.

Also it is strictly not about war, and strictly not about states. Marx was opposed to war, and states.
So how the fuck is a warmongering state a Marxist idea?

>>2611224
>>2611233
I didn't say I agreed with them nor that it was considered rational by most people but what they believed. I said they were followers of Marx and thus were Marxists.

>>2611285
>they believed the opposite of what marx wrote, thus they were followers of marx and marxists

>>2611233
>confusing Marx with Bakunin

>>2611303
Have you read Marx's work? He is strictly anti-state and anti-war.

Faggots who say that communism misrepresented Marx are no different that faggots who say that scientology misrepresented Hubbard

All your old failed systems are gross and you should stop parading them around with lipstick to cover the pig

The past is gone and those old people are dead. We need new ideas for a new reality.

Stop veiwing Marxism as an ideology and start viewing it as a religion. It has it's central book (Das Kapital), it's clergy (The academics who interperate it) its salvation myth (the Revolution) and its saints (Trotsky, Allende, basically any Marxist who never got power).

>>2611313
Then why have all his followers tried to seize a state and cause an internal war?

>>2611288
They believed what Marx wrote but redid some things depending on their circumstances.

>>2611326
Are you the kind of person who says we don't have free market, this is crapitalism or crony capitalism, not real liberty market and so on?

>>2611327
You can make this same argument for anything, from dieting to sports to custom car jobs.

>>2611329
Why do you assume people who don't follow his word to be his "followers"?

>>2611337
Why do you think people who do things the opposite of what Marx wrote to be Marxists?

>>2611329
Coz Lenin happened. Does anyone actually bothered to read the history of the left?

>>2611353
>Does anyone actually bothered to read the history of the left?

There was this guy Carlin Marxist, who was a jewish alien, and he traveled to England and kidnapped an angel, and from there they invaded Russia and killed the tzar, and forced russian farmers at gunpoint to walk towards Berlin until the germans ran out of bullets, and then they invaded China, South America, East Europe, Cuba, Africa and half of the world, so America had to liberate it and kill the communists, and now Putin is up to their old tricks again.

>>2611353
No mostly we just tell our children horror stories so that they reject communism.

Like using the bubonic plague to get your kids to wash hands.

We have a general idea that it flopped fantastically in every place to carry the name and often led to disastrous results and loss of human life.

Realizing it could have all been stopped by labeling all commies as seditious enemies of the state and executed is a bitter pill.

>>2611357
Don't forget Cambodia. That was the result of the jewish alien and his angel too.

Thank God for Senator Joe McCarty for preventing a communist coup in America.

>>2611033
"I am not a Labor Leader; I do not want you to follow me or anyone else; if you are looking for a Moses to lead you out of this capitalist wilderness, you will stay right where you are. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I led you in, some one else would lead you out."

>>2611360
>this thing was attempted, so 2/3 of the world embargoed and fought against it, and it failed
>thus it is a flawed concept

I mean, it clearly doesn't work, but the reason for it not working is that you aren't allowed to make it work.
Instead we are slowly getting there, with 90% of what Marx wanted already being common sense and accepted everywhere, like max working hours, minimum wage, retirement funds, workers unions, syndicates, gender equality, legalizing homosexuality, more open borders, progressive tax, and so on, and so on.

A hundred years from now people will insist Marx "won", and it was Lenin who prematurely ejaculated instead of waiting for things to happen.

>>2611357
Plausible theory. Needs more conspiracy elements though......have you tried reptilians?

>>2611376

>gender equality

>implying feminists groups aren't working to turn the gender inequality in favor of women instead of working for equality and have succeded in some aspects

>>2611376
Dude stop.

Your system requires EVERYONE at once to come to the same conclusion and then agree to cooperate.

It's poetic idealistic nonsense.

You have to provide for system rejection on a way that isn't mass murdering everyone who isn't a communist.

Building your utopia on top of a pile of corpses is never going to work out.

The dead don't speak they scream.

>>2611376
He wasn't the only one talking about those things everyone as using those canards for political reasons.

It was the age of western humanism and the rejection of industrialized labor.

Which is why we send our industrialized labor far overseas so no one can see it.

Everyone was talking about those social programs.

>>2611376

Did Marx really wanted a minimun wage? I think he wanted something like an universl wage.

>>2611384
>implying feminists groups aren't working to turn the gender inequality in favor of women
They are, and there is already backlash, it will not work. We are leaning towards equality.

>>2611385
>Your system requires EVERYONE at once to come to the same conclusion and then agree to cooperate.
We already came to the same conclusion on the issues listed in the post you quote. Nobody is mad that child labor is banned and that there are laws regulating working conditions so that people don't literally die on the job. That wasn't the case in Marx's day.

>>2611392
>He wasn't the only one talking about those things everyone as using those canards for political reasons.
Many agreed with him, many opposed him. You can look up contemporary academic literature saying that child labor is the rational result of free market at work and should be left alone, as those children make money their own children wouldn't need to work from such an early age, it builds character and so on.

>>2611393
>Did Marx really wanted a minimun wage? I think he wanted something like an universl wage.
Marx said that a minimum wage and a bunch of other things like trade union is the next concession that the capitalists will give the workers, as a way to bribe them away from revolution. He wanted it, and it did happen, and it did delay the revolution as people weren't as mad.
Concession after concession, bribe after bribe, and today we are in a state that Marx dreamed of, with workers being able to sue their bosses, having set hours, mandatory vacations, solid contracts, unions and syndicates to back and defend them, and so on.
In Japan its almost impossible to get fired even, it turned into workers oppressing the bosses by refusing to work knowing they can't get fired in some fringe situations. The honor system there only prevents that.

>>2611017
>Fidel
>Idolization
There's no statue of Fidel in Cuba

>>2611426

>statues are the only way to idolize people

>>2611412
>Nobody is mad that child labor

Arguably since them the age of common adulthood has also risen a decade. Instead of individual first occupation experiences, parents teaching children their craft, child apprentiships etc. we have everyone who has never truly worked a day in their life at the age of 16 or even 18 in some cases having to secure daily employment.

With varying results. We are actually too soon I to the childless labor system to tell if it's better in the long run for society or for emotional health.

>>2611430
Oh wow, an actual child labor proponent.
Consider that all the great people produced by that time were professional rich people, and didn't work anything they didn't want to.
While they were learning the ancient greeks and reading latin, 95% of children were poisoning themselves with fine dust particles in mines or with chemicals gluing shoes together in an unventilated basement.

>>2611412

Do you think Marx would be okay in a world in wich everybody have their basic needs covered, but some people have money for luxuries while others don't?

>>2611017
>It's just human nature......

>>2611443
I think Marx would prefer this to the world he grew up and lived in. Certainly he'd be surprised at the large scale charity going on these days, with billionaires sending cheap shirts and drugs to Africa.

We are getting there, and cursing Marx all the way while fulfilling his wishes.

>>2611443
Define what you mean by "okay"

Because what you described is pretty much what he laid about about socialism (lower level communism) in his Critique of the Gotha Program.

>>2611440
>95% of children were poisoning themselves with fine dust particles in mines or with chemicals gluing shoes together in an unventilated basement

That's a gross obfuscation. 95% of children were not impoverished immigrants living in coastal urban centers of industry.

You act as if there were no enjoyable jobs and that every parent was a heartless task master.

This is the problem with emotional reaponse.

You hear 10 year old working a full day and your emotional mind races to beaten waifs in coal mines.

Labor in itself is not brutality

>>2611453
If a job is easy and dignifying, adults would be racing to do it, and it wouldn't be available for children.
When children are forced to work, it is always the worst jobs. Travel and know the world. You can't talk like that from your apartment.

>>2611460
I was finding my own labor since I was old enough to realize adults would pay me to clean out their ashtrays at my Dad's office.

$.50 for cleaning an ashtray? Candy money nigga!

Either way all the childless labor force has done is prolonged childhood another decade.

>manchildren
>why won't millenials marry
>why no millennial home ownership

Because adulthood has been postponed

>>2611464
You are clearly deluded by your childhood games and confuse your experience playing around with that of children having to sell their assholes to buy bread.
I won't comment further and I hope you educate yourself on the matter.

>>2611480
>children having to sell their assholes to buy bread

See? You just take it straight to 100. You're an extremist on this issue.

For you there is no sensible middle ground even though I have outlined clear flaws.

>>2611451

I mean, what the fuck was his ideal. What was his definition of Equality? People living in houses of the same size, with the same working hours, with the same amount of free time? Did he ever said anything about censoring art and media to only reflect non-violent communist values?

>>2611452

Was he okay with income inequality during socialism? I though income equality should be achieved during socialism and the only difference between communism and socialism was the existance of the State.

>>2611464

Millenials aren' marrying because women don't need marriage to survive anymore and everyday more men are realizing women are shit anyway.

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Was Marx against hypergamy?

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>>2611374
>mfw I recognized that quote

>>2611487
>what the fuck was his ideal

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
You do what you can, and you take what you need.

Consider your average family.
The father produces the most, but spends the least. The young child produces the least, but spends the most.
Yet everyone is okay with that. Everyone does what they can, and everyone takes what they need. Wealth is shared.
If you need a spoon, you don't buy a spoon from your father, who paid for all the spoons in the kitchen. You just take any spoon. You don't own it either, you can take a different one tomorrow.

This economy internal to the average family, stretched over large amounts of people, is what Marx wanted.
Everyone does what they can, no lazy bums or leeches, and everyone takes what they need, no hoarding and no gluttony.

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>>2611494
>tfw the only reason women cooked and cleaned and were obedient and bred with men is because they would starve without one

>>2611505
>no lazy bums or leeches
>no hoarding and no gluttony

How is this enforced? Seems like a nice tale to tell.

>hey kids one day no one will be lazy or greedy haha let's try communism just one more time

>>2611505

And what Marx proposed to do with lazy people? They can't be killed in a Humanist society. I think the main problem of your explanation is the "need" part. Everybody have a different definition of what they need.

>>2611513
>>2611517
>How is this enforced?

People who don't do what they can, don't get what they need.
Stop helping them, stop giving them your services and goods that you produce, stop associating with them. If they turn violent, put them down in self defense.

>>2611513
>>2611517
How does the father deal with a child that is a lazy bum who takes all the cake to his room to eat over the next day instead of sharing?

>>2611505

So, does that mean women have to actually share their vaginas instead of giving them only to Chad?

>>2611522
What is shared is stuff like rivers, meadows, large farms, bridges, roads, factories, stadiums, opera houses, beaches, power stations, and so on.
You don't share your toothbrush, your pen or your vagina unless you want to. Those are personally yours, and not common use.

>>2611522
We must seize the means of production.

Or as a great modern statesman puts it grab them by their pussies.

>>2611523
So there is private property?

>>2611521
>>2611522

Using violence and killing them if they don't wan't to? But that isn't what you expect from a humanist society.

>>2611528

Meant to quote
>>2611517

>>2611523

But we must abolish private property. Leave the gynocentrism and female privilege to the Capitalist society.

>>2611528
>hey comrade get out in the field and pick some damn cotton
>no. I feel like doing something else. Wanna look a clouds.
>*picks up rifle*
>comrade you Will pick cotton now
>spend entire day with rifle guarding cotton picking comrade so that other people can profit from his labor
>you no longer pick any cotton
>just threaten these lazy cotton pickers

You are now the state

>>2611527
>>2611537
Personal property. You are arguing semantics here.
Read the source material, it is made very clear what property must be common and what can remain personal.

>>2611519
>>2611531

Im fucking drunk.

>>2611542
Do you live like that now?

Following the uh, source material? Or is it just sort of a hobby you interested from old people?

>>2611550
Are you saying that because I don't practice communism in a capitalist system, this means Marx was wrong all along?
Seems like a stupid statement to make.

>>2611555
Are you saying anything is preventing you from living according to Marx?

Seems doubtful to me.

>aaayyy we can't do it as long as there is just one capitalist

Literally no one cares if you want to live how you want. It's when your desires affect me that our system steps in.

>>2611564
>Are you saying anything is preventing you from living according to Marx?
>Seems doubtful to me.

Well for one, I am being asked to pay money to use housing, roads, water, and so on.
This forces me to work so I can access these goods I need, and because other people are also forced to work, we compete.

You can't "live like a Marxist" when you have to pay rent. It can't happen in the current system.
Just think about it for more than 2 minutes.

>>2611542

So, living in a mansion is still technically permitted in socialism and comunism?

And if Marx didn't proposed the redistribution of vagina then I will make my own branch of socialism that preaches it.

>>2611571
>So, living in a mansion is still technically permitted in socialism and comunism?
If a mansion already exists, why waste it? Might as well make it a house for as many people as need housing in the region, and can comfortably fit.

>And if Marx didn't proposed the redistribution of vagina then I will make my own branch of socialism that preaches it.
Marx preached equality of the genders, in the face of sexism of his day. You know, actual "man owns woman" sexism thats unthinkable today.

>>2611567
Then I suggest you escape capitalism.

Wanting to live your way is grand and noble. Wanting to subvert, attack and destroy my system is ignoble.

I'm not stopping you from gathering comrades and living how you want to live.

Don't stop us.

>>2611577
Women's liberation is too new to know if it's going to pan out.

The western birth rates just are not sustainable.

>>2611577

But my socialism doesn't want to take advantage of the labor of women, just redistributing their vaginas once in a while instead of giving it only to Chad.

>>2611579
>I'm not stopping you from gathering comrades and living how you want to live.

It is literally illegal since you have to pay tax to even exist in a state.

>>2611582
Why should the elites live in pussy luxury while the hoi polloi who RUN this society go without?

Fuck the kitchen we need to chase women back into the bedroom.

>>2611581
Muhammad married a 40 year old widow while his youngest wife led an army. England has had queens for centuries.

>>2611584
Well yeah YOU have to leave the STATE.

It's so obvious. You're in revolt. You don't want to live like us.

There is literally nothing chaining you here.

>>2611589
The state is supposed to be in submission.

>>2611589
>just live where there is no state, nobody is forcing you to live in a state

So do I go live on the Moon or what?

>>2611587
Objectively speaking Queen Victoria has been the worst Monarch England has ever had.

She lost the entire Empire and now her people are being invaded by economic migrants greedy for their social programs.

Anyhow where are the birth rates? Show them to me children are actually CRITICAL for a civilization to persist

>>2611593
You lack creativity.

>>2611594
Men and women are at each others throats and if women are expecting men to worship them or die that's what's going to happen.

>>2611598
You lack an argument. "Just live like a commie lol" is not one. It isn't possible in the current system.

>>2611590
The state is in absolute submission. To the majority.

And even minorities are being empowered as fast as we can find out what their kink is.

>do people look down on you for _______________ sexual fetish? We wi megaphone your humanity on a broad spectrum.

>>2611603
According to the US Constitution the state is also subject to the minorities rights.

>>2611601
Go to the DPRK. Go to China and helpntjem improve their communism attempt.

Fly to Venezuela and help them improve.

But you don't and you won't. I'm the problem in your world for some reason.

I have to live how you want though I don't demand you reciprocate.

>>2611607
And we are.

Tell me one oppressed minority who is disenfranchised from the same rights as I have.

>>2611611
There are prisons filled with people that would be happy to answer that question.

>>2611614
I'm sorry but they were born with the same rights and franchise as I was.

From a state view there is no oppression.

Now if you want to demand social equality that's outside the fault of the state.

And truthfully speaking outside the purview of government.

>>2611608
None of those are Marxist societies, and the fact that you recommend them shows me how little you are or are invested in the argument.
Shame that any thread about Marxism is always at least 70% people who never read Marx's works shitting on Marx's works.

>>2611618
We don't all get the same amount of attention though.

>>2611619
Excuse me, everyone who actually did their level best to follow Marx's works shit all over his works.

You have a serious image problem that you won't easily escape. That's NOT everyone else's fault.

So you want to bunker down and play the No True Scotsman fallacy to assuage your ego but you must accept the failings of splints groups from your ideology

>>2611622
>do the opposite of what Marx wrote
>say its Marxism
>le no true le scotsman le fallacy

For real?

>>2611621
Nonsense.

Just participate. Be active in your city council, or even on a state or national level.

I say this to all young people because in truth the government is incredibly user friendly.

>>2611624
Well fine then I guess you just get to wait until the entire world slowly (but surely right?) transforms to Marxism as natural progression.

Then I guess it's inevitable and you don't need to even talk about it anymore.

>>2611627
I'm more focused on unwanted attention, there are different levels of scrutiny between suburbs, inner cities, corporate offices and government positions.

>>2611631
It is transforming, not even as slow as you think. I may live long enough to see it.
The joke is that you will be a passionate defender of it, claiming that "of course we must have universal income, what are we, commies!!??!" or some such.

>>2611634

And even between the same social class there is a different level of scrutiny between Chads and ugly men.

>>2611634
>unwanted attention

Does not exist in public. It's human nature to notice outliers. Outlier sounds, shapes, patterns and things.

Not sure what exactly you're referring to but you can't legislate the attention span of humans.

>>2611637
State laws are enforced unequally by fallible people.

>>2611636
Well then you should be elated and euphoric to know that in the end you will be proven right and that the ONLY way to try real communism is to prevent anyone from really trying it.

Because really trying it goes against natural progression and will fail.

Ergo, throwing communists out of helicopters works towards achieving real communism.

States will dissolve naturally and mankind will come together and share everything.

Anyone who tries to force it is not a Marxist.

>>2611636

So lazy people win at the end and Marx have to shove his anti-lazy message up his ass.

Besides, communism won't win at the end because you won't need to live in society when technology advances to the point were you don't have to leave the house.

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>tfw ironically still taking walks when everyone else has VR drone bodies and their flesh is protected in hermetically sealed storage tanks
>not even sidewalks exist because they all fly
>I'm just tiptoeing through the tulips until an AI harvester drone comes to take them

>>2611026
Well put

>>2611194
>Because Castro has chosen not to create a cult of personality, inside Cuba there are no streets, buildings, institutions or localities named for him. There are no official photos of Castro.[1] In 1959 the Italian sculptor Enzo Gallo Chiapardi made a bust of Fidel, but Castro ordered to destroy it.[2]
>In a speech on the International Workers' Day of 2003, Castro noted: "There is no cult of personality around any living revolutionary, in the form of statues, official photographs, or the names of streets or institutions. The leaders of this country are human beings, not gods."[3]
>Following Fidel Castro's death, the Cuban government announced that it would be passing a law prohibiting the naming of "institutions, streets, parks or other public sites, or erecting busts, statues or other forms of tribute" in honor of the late Cuban leader in keeping with his wishes to prevent a personality cult from developing around him.[4]

>>2611954

>literally said "I am the revolution"
>thousands of posters and paintings with his face around the island

>>2611644
Marx was very vocally in support of taking actions that would hasten the movement towards communism. He spoke repeatedly about this, and to such an extent and fervor that it would be beyond laughable to call gradualism anything close to orthodox.

Essentially, you're blowing hot air out your ass to be edgy.

>>2612028
Christening a place with a name or personal visage has an altogether transformative effect that leaflets and crude posters simply can't match.

>>2611017
Personality cults cements power and helps purge dissidents. Capitalism, communism, its whatever.

One of my Bernout-socialist friends made fun of someone for being a "tankie".

I thought they were all tankies.

>>2611017
Can't wait for Cuba to go full "socialism with cuban characteristics" so that commies are finally going to shut up about it.

>>2612028
Just what I found on Wikipedia, make of it what you will.
>>2612057
When capitalism comes back to Cuba, it will change for the better.

>>2612051

>only statues and street names count as idolizing

Regardless if he wanted it or not, a lot of people who preach equalty think of him and other leaders as a god.

>>2612056
Bernouts hate Castro the same way An-caps hate Hitler.

>>2611464
Hey guys I had a paper route and it helped me build character. I think the next logical step is to have 10 year olds work the smelter in the foundry.

>>2611053
??? Every marxist experiment had nationalistic elements.

>>2611017
People like having leaders to rally around. This is actually a huge matter of concern within communist movements, because there's a fear that hero worship takes attention away from the working class as a whole.

>>2612721
Haven't directly read Marx but wouldn't this but somewhat allowable in a true communist society?

After all, what Marx wanted was a society where all the means of production are socially owned and this doesn't seem to contradict the existence of distributive offices. You'll still need legislators, enforces and such but these positions are still in a sense, means of production. They'd just be filled out by the working force. To me it seems like you'd still be able to have ministers, at least in some way.

Am I grossly misunderstanding something here? Cus' it doesn't seem to far out to me.

>>2611017
Castro specifically is related to hispanic caudillismo. However he was strongly opposed to personality cult, he even asked for a big hammer to destroy a monument of himself a cuban city had made.

>>2613348

>anarchism

>legislators

>>2613391
>Communism

>Anarchist

Ev'ry man a king ev'ry man a king
For you can be a millionaire
But there's something belonging to others
There's enough for all people to share

>>2613412

Fuck off

>>2612679
>every time someone was being a fascist and claiming he was Marxist...

Okay.

>>2611374
We needed more leftists like this.

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>>2611037
i bet the guys who made this were capitalistic factory owners

>>2615913

Me on the left

>>2612679
As a result of opposing American, German and Japanese influence usually.

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>>2611116
>Mao was a genius

>>2611116
more like moa was undoubtedly fat lamo

>>2618144
mao was a quite good when it came to gurillia tactics (i would call him a genius if he hadn't done the Jade Dragon Snow Mountain stuff but it showed everyone he accepted high rates of cassulties and will basicly rather kill everyone than surrender)
but he was clearly a genius when it came to power politics and propaganda
his philosophy is quite contemptuous but coherent
and when it comes to the great leap forward i am not so shure if he really cared that much that he killed millions or if he did it on purpose to eradicate the old generation and build a new china out of the young people who were not rased in the republic of china (the culture revolution would speak for this)

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>>2611017
leftists are cuckolds and water is wet, nothing new

>>2619155
>leftists cuckhold
>implying it's not the right wing that violently defends economic cuckholdry

i say, it ain't too farfetched when your boss wants or implicitly demands to spend more time talking to your wife during company gatherings. dont wanna upset the boss do you?

>>2620765
it's not cuckoldry if you are the one fucking