How the fuck did the British manage to lose this war? Then lose

>>2597405
French

>>2597410
this for both cases.

Also, they did not lose 1812.

we did it on purpose. it was all part of the plan. you don't understand true perfidy.

I fully blame Britain's loss on Howe and Burgoyne absolutely shitting the bed during the Saratoga campaign. If they had been able to decisively capture both Albany and Saratoga, it would have completely changed the face of the New England theater and probably the direction of the war.

France might never have gotten involved, and Loyalist support in the southern colonies would have been reinvigorated. Instead, Howe and Burgoyne fucked off in opposite directions without communicating with each other and were respectively ground into dust. I'm surprised no one got hanged over it.

>>2597405
>Then lose again thirty years later?
American detected.

>>2597550
this this this

it's also worth noting that the Brits completely abandoned their Iroquois allies after the disaster at Saratoga, which gave the Continental army enough breathing room to launch a punitive expedition against native communities. they were able to completely break the back of the confederacy. if things had been different, the Native Americans would have probably retained much greater impact on the war.

>>2597405
>Then lose again thirty years later?

now how do i know you're american?

>>2597405
How did Britain lose a domestically unpopular war against the French and Spanish empires at the zenith of their power funding an armed, well organised conspiracy of British rebels 3000 miles away whilst trying to defend their more lucrative colony 14,000 miles away from the pakis in mysore?

>literally burn the executive chamber to the ground
>lose war of 1812

Burgoyne's autism.

Literally the worst general in British history, except for Elphinstone.

>weak king
>financial troubles
>french
>burger extreme nationalism

>>2599681
>British pressed to stop funding Native Americans
>British stop impressing American sailors
>British repulsed in all of their invasions of American soil
>British ally Tecumseh's Confederacy destroyed
>British ally Spain forced to cede Florida shortly after
>America gains lands previously under dispute with Britain
>America still occupying British Empire land when the peace treaty is signed
>America secures hold on the valuable port of New Orleans

>>2599785
>>2597841
>>2597612
>getting rekt by Andrew Jackson repeatedly
>"British victory"

kek!!

>>2599681
>French and Spanish empires at the zenith of their power
wut?

because stupid fucking french cuck frogs hated us so much that they indebted themselves giving money to the rebel scum.

>>2599908
At least you beat the Dutch and mauled the French and Spanish pretty badly, it was a direct contributor to the former's collapse a decade later. Pretty impressive despite losing to ragtag militia in the main theater.

>>2597405

It would have been surprising had they won, actually. They were fighting other people from the same culture as their own, so they had no 1st world vs 3rd world sort of advantage. Military technology back then was primitive enough that a strong national government didn't have much of a technological/logistics advantage over random colonists. And the British were fighting at the end of a long supply chain, on the Americans' home turf.

It would have been surprising had London won, really.

>>2597405
Uhh didn't the thirty year war take place over a century before?

>>2597405
No allies who are actually good at fighting.

>>2599931
The British absolutely could have won, it's just that Burgoyne managed to achieve the nigh-impossible by topping the absolute farce that had been the American invasion of Quebec.

Up until about 1779, huge swathes of colonists were committed to neutrality in the conflict, or were outright loyalist. The sheer enormity of Britain's blunders in the northeast encouraged France to recommit their military to the continent, which eventually gave way to a shift in popular opinion amongst the Americans as they saw the probability of a Patriot victory increasing. When the British finally gave up on New England and turned their attention south, they'd already significantly undermined their local support.

America is just OP.

>>2597405
>Then lose again thirty years later?
The whole manifest destiny thing never worked out. In a war of aggression the Americans never made territorial gains and to this day the Brits/Canadians are the only ones to successfully occupy Washington and make the white house black.

>>2597405
No interest. Also British always sucked at land war.

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>>2599894
>America tries to invade a country
>the army of that country stops you and starts burning your capital
>"American victory"
Nice april fools joke, Anon. 4/10 made me chuckle

>>2600095
the only ones to make the white house black
>obama wants a word with you

>>2599879
>Burgers attempt to annex Canada
>Fail

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>>2600314
>Americans accomplish all their goals except 1
>British fail all their goals except 1
>"we won that war we did"

>>2600291
Seriously, you need to be a special kind of idiot to consider the War of 1812 to be nothing other than a British victory. They prevented the Americans from annexing Canada. Mission accomplished.

>>2600323
m8, from the Canadian/British perspective it was a defensive war.

They were attacked then repulsed said attack - hence victory.

>>2599681
>domestically unpopular war

Stop trying to copy Amerucan excuse for the Vietnam War
Unlike the Vietnam War, this war was neither asymetrical, nor "domestically unpopular" (and popular support was absolutly irrelevant for overseas wars in that era, the average Briton didnt even know the war was happening).

>>2600032
Yes, I see now that I failed to take the loyalists into account.

>>2600327
The Americans tried to annex Canada. They were prevented from doing so, and even if it was a white peace, it means their ultimate aim was unachieved. The British goal, while they may not have succeeded in aspects of doing so, succeeded in the ultimate goal of keeping Canada free from America, hence a victory.

is that a good enough answer for you

>>2600330
>m8, from the Canadian/British perspective it was a defensive war.

Then why were they kidnapping thousands of American citizens and funding attacks against the United States? That was the reason the Americans declared war in the first place. And both of those stopped after this war, and Britain and their allies were later forced to cede land to the Americans.

>>2599894
>napoleon burns Moscow
>still loses

victory doesn't make you a conqueror

>>2597405
British losing control of the seas
Also George III was actually quite skilled just look at his abdication letter

>>2600341
>>2600032
it wouldn't be as easy as you say it would be, but it was definitely possible. You have to remember that this was an age where once reinforcements have arrived to the fight, the campaign has completely changed. An order from London has no relevance when it finally reached America.
All we had to do was send enough men and treat it as a revolution rather than a small uprising, appoint someone who isn't actually autistic to command all British forces, and to play hearts and minds with those who hadn't picked sides.

>>2600349
>kidnapping American citizens
Is that what you call jobs being outsourced?

>>2599916
Brit detected
The Spanish Empire was already in pretty bad shape, and came out of in war in a better state than it entered it
It's France who destroyed the Spanish Empire with Napoleon's invasion

>>2600373
>what is impressment

>American anger at impressment grew when British frigates were stationed just outside U.S. harbours in view of U.S. shores and searched ships for contraband and impressed men while within U.S. territorial waters.[30] Well publicized impressment actions such as the Leander Affair and the Chesapeake–Leopard Affair outraged the American public.[31] [32]

>>2600349
Nigga how US-centric is your view of history?

I mean Jesus Christ, the impressment of sailors was not some dastardly British Scheme to fuck with the US. It was about Napoleon, and ended after his initial defeat.

Could you provde a list of all the lands ceded by the Treaty of Ghent? My understanding was that it returned land to the status quo ante bellum.

Which, ya know, sounds like a victory for the defender.

>>2600379
>American security guards can arrest you for drug possession if you're only taking a connecting flight

>>2600306

>obama wants a word with you
ngl that made me kek

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>>2599894

>>2599894

Americans cling to the Brits bungling shit in the south as if that means they won the war of 1812. No, they bungled shit in the south, you still got cucked in the north.

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>>2597405
Reminder that the same troops that defeated Napoleon were mowed down by a ragtag group of Pirates, Indians, and Creole volunteers

>>2601255

says you

>>2600380

>Brits believe they were the defending party

>>2601244

Is there anything more bootlicker than masturbating over how a dead empire killed a lot of people?

>>2600349
It stopped after the war because Napoleon was defeated, it had nothing to do with the war of 1812.