>Modern Egyptians are actually Arabs >there is actually

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If the Hannibals and Caesers you autists obsess over were alive today they'd be out doing normies things not obsessing over dead people they have no relationship with

>>2582845

it all goes back to nordicism. white frail anglo americans like to pretend every ancient people were blonde haired blue eyed.

yeah my dude all the million romans in italy just disappeared
also all egyptians
and greeks
suddenly millions of turks somehow crossed the bosphorus in a proportion of 5 to 1 greek and bred them out of existence.
you must be one of those retards who think modern day frenchmen descend from the franks.

>>2583270
This is mostly right, except Copts are only legitimate Egyptians. The Arabs are colonizers.

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>tfw Italians don't need to play the "we wuz Romans" card because the history of the northern and central Italian city-states is just as good

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>>2583278

Yeah because Copts look SOOOOOO much different than ordinary Egyptians.

>>2583278
So who's an Arab to you?

Everyone who speaks Arabic as their first language? Then Copts are Arabs.

Muslim Arabic Speakers? Then what about Christians who identify as Arabs? And what about people of Turkish and Circassian descent who speak arabic as their first language?

>>2583232
This. Nordcucks can't admit they accomplished nothing without Mediterraneans and were no better than a war obsessed eskimo.

>>2583412
They are called Chuckchi, the murder-Eskimos I mean.

>>2582845
>there is actually 0% Roman dna in Italians
Are you saying that modern italians are actually germanics?

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>>2583412
>Nordcucks can't admit they accomplished nothing without Mediterraneans
>Mediterraneans literally needed Nordics to keep their empires together

>>2583278
The difference between Arabs and Egyptians of the past is not bigger than the difference between Italians and Greeks of the past. If the latter could call themselves Roman for a long time, it's ridiculous to say that Egyptians can't be Arab.

Genetically they are not that different. Arab Egyptians have more Arab ancestry and a little of other various ethnicities as Egypt was home for lots of migration from Muslim world. Copts have more Greek ancestry. But they're very similar and look the same.

>>2582845
>there is actually 0% Roman dna in Italians
wat

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How can you even tell the difference between a native Egyptian and an Arab, seriously. Both of them were brown. Egyptians were more shitskinned than people of the Levant even.

>>2583484
>mediterraneans needed nordics to keep their empires together
more like an asset to the empires, lmao

Egyptians, Berbers (who aren't descendant from Iberian Moors that left Iberia before, during and after the reconquista or from European slaves taken by Barbary pirates) and Arabs look identical.

Take an average Berber from inner Atlas in Morocco, an Egyptian and a Yemeni and people look exactly alike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMQtL9mes4o

>>2583632
egyptians have a certain "look", i cant explain it

>>2582857
>implying they were normal
>implying history didn't exist when they were alive too

>>2583339

lol those aren't copts. copts =/= egyptian christians

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>>2583286
>just as good

>>2583286
okay I keep fucking see this exact picture
is it always from you

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>>2583286
>implying the Romans were northern

>>2582845
Sounds just as extreme as we-wuzism tbqh
Is OP implying both the romans, greeks and egyptians got literally genocided?

>>2582845
everyone is misunderstanding OP, hes mocking those beliefs

>>2584936
>and central
not even him and ure a dumbo

>>2582845
>there is actually 0% Roman dna in Italians

Wait what? Bullshit, I'm calling bullshit.

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>>2583286
I know this, modern greeks are pathetic, aren't they?

At least Italy still relevant today, unlike the shithole called Greece.

>>2585013
Italy is barely irrelevant. It's the" functioning" drop dead alcoholic of Europe.

>>2585070
it's the #8 world economic power
>drop dead alcoholic of Europe.
source needed

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>>2584916
The redpill is realizing the Romans accomplished very little on an individual cultural level and that the Italian city-states were undoubtedly superior in that area. They were akin to Ancient Greece.

>>2584936
Don't care either way, but the capitals of the late WRE (Milan and Ravenna) were both in northern Italy.

>>2585587
>an individual cultural level
What the fuck does that mean?

What is Livy, Propertius, Virgil, Ovid? Do those not count on an 'individual cultural level'?

>>2585620
Well, let's just say "Roman culture" wasn't very impressive since Greek culture overshadowed it in every way. They were just good at being expansionist warmongers like the Macedonians (who also accomplished almost nothing on a cultural level compared to real Greece).

>>2585631
>Greek culture overshadowed it in every way
I don't know about that man. Seems like you have a skewed perspective, over-glorifying the ancient Greeks a bit. Admittedly over glorification of Greek cultural accomplishment is a characteristic of late Roman and late antique culture and has been written deeply into western historiography.

>>2582845
>Modern Egyptians are actually Arabs
The majority are probably, copts definitely not. Regardless, those "arabs" are obviously still descendent by pre-conquest peoples.
>there is actually 0% Roman dna in Italians
No such thing as "Roman DNA" (You fucking idiot). Both Italians and Greeeks have ~95% neolithic genetic origin of early farmers who occupied the modern land. Roman empire was built on identity, not ethnicity, I can't believe I have to say this on a history board of all places.
>Modern Greeks are just Turk rape-babies
For fuck sakes. Give me a study that says Greece carries significant Turkish genes, when in fact Turkey is actually slightly influenced genetically by the Greek population exchange of 1912.

Sometimes I wonder if people who say this shit are just nordcucks, niggers, anglos, slavs etc. who are projecting or if you really are retarded.

Egyptians were black.

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>Greeks are Turkish ra-

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>>2582845
>there is actually 0% Roman dna in Italians

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>>2582845
you forgot about ashkenazim being pretty much half southern Italian and half arab LARPERS according to genetic research

>be roman woman
>get raped by arab
>pop out baby and call it a jew despite there being strict rules about jewishness being paternal
>change rules to being maternal

being a jew at this point is based on nothing other than state of mind, they flip flop from paternal to maternal and the jews around today are just italian people LARPing and have nothing to do with actual ancient Israelites

the only jews that can even claim ancestry are sephardi

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>turks come from asia
>conquer an empire of about 10 million greeks
>nowadays western turks look mediterranean with no asian features
>eastern turks are more arab-like

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>>2586362
>eastern turks are more arab-like
The whole rest of Turkey is "arab-like" lmao

>>2584915
Those are literal Copts you fool

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>>2583278
>>2583339

>>2586381
>>2586421

>>2586253
Copts are Arab boy is Muslim Egyptians are.

>>2586432
Do you understand what an ethno-religous group is? If you convert to Christian orthodox you are not a copt, you are a Christian orthodox. Coptic Christians have a common ancestral lineage. Read here retard:http://www.nature.com/articles/srep09996

Straight from wiki as well:
>The scientists suggest that this points to a common origin for the general population of Egypt. They also associate the Coptic component with Ancient Egyptian ancestry, without the later Arabian influence that is present among other Egyptians.

>>2586329
southern italy has been more under normans than under arabs
this meme is ridiculous

>>2582845
That actually looks very much like a modern Egyptian. They haven't changed all that much.

>>2585013
Try being under Ottoman occupation for 400 years and see how that works out for you.

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Greeks today still look like the ancient Greeks.
Egyptians today still look like the ancient Egyptians.

Populations dont magically stop existing when they are invaded.

Religion, culture and ruling powers can change. But the local population will almost always remain the same ethnically.

The only rare exceptions to this is the Native Americans who got wiped the fuck out and replaced by Europeans.

>>2586780
t. Aleksandros Popoulos Kartostratoss

>>2586798
t. John ``Yellow Teeth´´ Smith from England

>>2586761
Your argument is meaningless:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

Find me a single study that says Modern Greeks have Turkish DNA. Hell even Cyprus (Like a half Turkish half Greek territory) has a population of pure Greeks. They are ~95% neolithic in genetic origin (that means pre-antiquity).

>>2586842
>>2586761
Link:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26870315

>>2583632
That Libyan looks /fa/ af

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>>2586842
You can also compare the people from the Ionian islands to the rest of Greece to see if they look too different from the rest since they were never conquered by Turks. They are almost never included in genetic studies though. I fucking hate that. I'm curious as fuck about their genetics.

>>2586842
>>2586845
I never once fucking implied that the Turks polluted the Greek DNA, I just said that because Greeks were under Ottoman occupation for so long they were kept down instead of progressing like the rest of Europe.

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>>2586884
Oh I thought the guy you were replying to was being sarcastic though, my bad lol.

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The thing is american blacks are very insecure about the fact that they are decedent from slaves to the point of making up an Egyptian mythology about the origin of blacks.
Do not get mistaken, there were blacks in egypt, but egypt was a multicultural society, there were whites and arabs and others too.
As for black americans, they are gigantic retards who cant read a history book about the slave trade and realize their ancestors came from the west coast of Africa in places like Liberia, Ghana, Nigeria etc, nowhere near egypt

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>>2585631
>muh culture
There's more to a society than that, and the Romans already had plenty of that, and were, at large, arguably more influencial than the Greeks.

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>>2586935
You think that's bad? Yeah, there were black dynasties in Egypt. I think everybody has already established the fact that African-Americans who claim this shit are retarded and should be treated specially. Especially when they claim that Cleopatra was black and then complain about whitewashing - shut the fuck up and read a book. But here's what's worse:

archive.is/H8csS
The author who's an afro-centrist:
>can say without a doubt that Afrocentrists do not spend time arguing that either Socrates or Cleopatra were black
Fucking. Socrates.

>>2586957
Really? I feel like the Roman empire mostly just expanded on what already came out of Ancient Greece. To each their own I guess. Not that it matters who was more influential considering they would conglomerate to form the Byzantine empire not to soon after.

>>2586957
>>2586988
The Romans were utter failures.

>be military driven like the Macedonians and adopt everything from Greeks
>conquer Greece and MENA
>Greek culture starts to dominate the Eastern half because your culture is shit and inferior
>Western part of the empire turns into a shithole while the East remains prosperous
>Western half collapses
>Eastern half survives for a thousand years

Sorry but it's da truf.

>>2586988
>I feel like the Roman empire mostly just expanded on what already came out of Ancient Greece
They have, but it would be ignorant to assume that's all that came from the Romans. Western Civilization was built on the bones of the Roman Empire.

>>2582845
real Arabs are in fact half Egyptians.
Modern Egyptians are only speaking Arabic but not Arabs by race.
Every Arab has ancient Egyptian DNA but not every Egyptian has Arab DNA in them.

>>2586935
>pic
Doesn't that depict circumcision?
>Blacks literally taught the Jews how to mutilate themselves

>>2583463
>>2583606
>>2584963
>>2586253
>>2586295
>these retards missing the point of the OP

Brainlets gtfo of /his/.

>>2582845
Because Italy achieved little besides the renaissance post fall of the WRE, oh and starting ww1
Greece achieved nothing under the ottoman yoke and after
Whilst the English and French created identities from nothing and conquered the world

>>2583270
read up on the plague

>>2583717
>YouTube genealogy
>negrocentric reality check
>they look the same!

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>>2587315
>Whilst the English and French created identities from nothing and conquered the world

Could it be maybe because both of those nations had free access to the Atlantic and were able to industrialize much more effectively than the rest of Europe at the time?

A-These things will only get less mysterious with time because of all the DNA tests being performed on the remains of older populations.

B-I am pretty sure modern Greeks are whiter than Ancient Greeks because the Slavid migrations were the greatest demographic change endured by Greece.
Ancient Greeks will appear as more similar to Cretans or even the Cypriots.

Anyway, we know now much more of how the populations of eurasia have changed since the neolithic, and we will know much more in the next years.

>>2587681
>and were able to industrialize much more effectively than the rest of Europe at the time?
France didn't.

Economic development was also dependent on institutions which had risen out of culture and religion. It's not a simple case of geography, although it was necessary. Yes England needed coal to industrialize, yes access to the Atlantic aided this, but these are just obvious, and no more profound that stating "19th century nations without access to the sea did not become naval superpowers". The implication you are making is that access to the Atlantic meant that it was INEVITABLE that these countries should become Atlantic trading powers, that geography is a cause rather than simply a prerequisite.

>>2587825
But ancient greeks actually migrated from the northern balkans

>>2587825
We've already done SNP analysis on ancient roman remains, they're Italian.

This is a troll thread and will quickly be filled with MUH HAPLOAUTISM by retards who don't understand human genetics but really wish they did.

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>>2587970
>France didn't

Why not? It's not like they were lacking in coal like Italy, Portugal or Greece.

>>2587635
You're getting a little too triggered here. The video shows that they look the same, which is the point of the post. Don't get too angry because your kind got wrecked. Whether they're afrocentrist or nordic centrist, it doesn't matter. You're not part of a group of people with ancient history.

>>2589008
the point is cultural heritage.even if u were the descentant of augustus and u were a normie looking fag then we could only lament you for ur misfortune

>>2586467
>http://www.nature.com/articles/srep09996
>Copts lack the influence found in Egyptians from Qatar, an Arabic population.

That article is a farce. Qatar was never the center of Arabian migration, it was Yemen. Qataris have lots of "Ajam" (who are Persians living in the Arab countries of Persian Gulf) and the difference between Ajam and non-Ajam is hard to tell, in fact no one really knows the real number. However estimates show it to be quite large. And they have integrated as Qataris almost perfectly.

The problem with determining Arabian influence is that, besides Yemeni Jews (who are Yemenis who just converted to Judaism), Arabs mixed with lots of people despite the high cousin marriages and intratribal relations. They had slaves of different origins also.

I expect a difference in Copts and Arabians but you cannot gauge the difference by using Qataris or other Gulf countries.

>>2586421
They look like Greeks.

>>2588025
surplus of labour -> 'high labour - low capital' production choices

>>2588025
also, centralized anti-market institutions

>>2586884
This is nonsense. Byzantines had Greco Roman texts for over a thousand years and had more access to those things than Western European and later Norther Europeans. Yet they didn't reach the Renaissance or the Enlightenment, which was reached under a short time after the Western and Northern Europeans had serious access to Greco Roman materials.

Greeks were never ever going to achieve what the rest of Europe did, precisely because they were different even wtihout Ottoman rule. Greeks would have need to been conquered by Northern Barbarians and expect a similar fate to the Italian peninsula: Disconnect from Greco Roman civilization, reborn a new under Western culture and re-interpret Greco-Roman culture in order to follow the same trajectory the West did. Blame the Constantinople centered Roman empire for not submitting to the West.

>>2589024
>culture heritage is more likely to survive intact rather than genetic heritage over the course of thousands of years
>hurr durr bringing cultural heritage in a thread largely about genetic ancestry

You're quite dumb desu.

>>2585587
Daily reminder that Byzantine immigrants to Italy kickstarted the Renaissance.

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>>2586421

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>>2583412
And yet, here we are conversing in English, a largely nordick language.

Also, anglos have never pretended that all ancient people's were blonde haired and blue eyed. Perhaps Hollywood did but that's mostly always been Jews.

>>2586329
>they flip flop with matrilineal and paternal
>implying it's not in the fucking bible they're matrilineal
>not understanding why a king would want to further de legitimise his bastards

>>2587681
>Atlantic being useful implies the Whig view of history that everything is predetermined
You do know both china and the romans knew fuck all about the Americas right, and it's more so the development of a middleclass that makes the Americas so wealthy,originally to get materials from and then sell into

>>2589176
No that was finding some Roman orator and traitors letters

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>>2583339
I guess these are Copts from the south/center and these are from the north: >>2586421 That's how Egypt works. People get lighter as you go north and darker as you go south.

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>muh 'roman' dna

>>2586972
>>2586935

Why are 4chan posters here so obsessed with hoteps?

Fact: Southern Egyptians always have and still are black

I was in Aswan and the Valley of the KANGZ last year. I am black and was lighter than most people there

>>2589429
Or that people in the North were more likely to experience the Sea Peoples migrations (who could very well be European). Further the North experienced Greek migrations later.

>>2582845
>Modern Iraqis and white with some west african admixture because of the US invasion.

>>2589837
>The fact that such a thing as "hoteps" exist
That's why.

>>2583606
>what are Lombards

>>2587975

do you think Hungarians dont look racially central europeans and instead look like an uralic-siberian people?
East Anatolians have spoken hurrite languages, indo european languages like hittite, greek,armenian or kurd, and now speak turkish.
But archeological remains show they were always hooked nose middle easterners.

Yes, indo european migrations happened, but most often it just means a change of elites and language, not a population replacement. Similar to what happened in England in 1066.

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>>2590176
>Italians aren't the same as Romans because they're "shitskins"
>suddenly, it's because they're Germanic

Seriously?

>>2590176
>what is a nordcuck
>>>/s/tormfront

>>2590279
Just northern Italians.

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>>2590361
>northern Italians are genetically more Mediterranean than Iberians

really makes you think

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>>2590396
Note: this doesn't have anything to do with pigmentation. Ashkenazi Jews plot
a bit down of South Italians yet they have much higher rates of blondism than them.

>>2589083
Not exactly, but they look more like Greeks than Arabs definitely.

>>2589108
What are you trying to refute? If you're country is being enslaved and occupied there is no fucking way it's going to progress, it doesn't even exist. Even then, the enlightenment isn't something that was "reached".
>Yet they didn't reach the Renaissance or the Enlightenment, which was reached under a short time after the Western and Northern Europeans had serious access to Greco Roman materials
How many hundreds/thousands of years later? The renaissance was for all intents and purposes a rediscovery and revitalization of Ancient Greek and Roman culture. Why would the Byzantine Empire - a Greco-Roman civilization which was the continuation of the roman empire - start a renaissance on their own culture? Are you reading what you're typing?

Also explain your last paragraph I'm so confused. You realize the Ancient Greeks didn't intend or expect their creations to influence other countries right? It wasn't at all like the industrial revolution or the Renaissance, which were forced.

>>2590755
Forgot pic related, the most accurate clock for 1800 years starting from ~250BC. Made by a Greek inventor named Ctesibius.

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>>2590779
Forgot it again
>>2590755

>>2589397
>You do know both china and the romans knew fuck all about the Americas
>china
>not reaching the americas
nice meme

>>2584915
Oh yeah, they might be from one of the many other Egyptian Christian ethnicities right

>>2582845
Greece is almost completely ethnically Greek still, even much of the Turkish population in Greco-Anatolian cities is still ethnic Greek (via DNA comparisons) but turkified in language and culture.

>>2591278
Wow the FIERCE VIKING WARRIORS also got to the Americas, and what did they do, starve like pussies

>>2590112
That's like being obsessed about stormfags boys.

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>>2583436
Regular eskimos are bad enough.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28965227
>The lack of any genetic cross-over may indicate that the previous inhabitants died out before the Thule arrived; it also "raises the question", according to Prof William Fitzhugh, another author of the study, of a possible "prehistoric genocide".

Plus, they drove the Vikings out of Greenland

>>2591300

there are regular "arab" Egyptians who are christian and not copts

>>2586780

but the genes from the invaders/ settlers can influence the entire population

>>2591946
His post is stupid because what he said is sometimes true and sometimes not true at all. Natgeografix has a study that shows the genes of the English go back to prehistorical native peoples times and the roman and Viking and Norman invasions had no lasting effect on the plebs. But let's see if that holds true in a hundred years with the muslum invasion

>>2590396
>iceman

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>>2583412
I agree
This idea that nordic were superior to all mankind even tho they were living in huts when there were empires in the mediterranean

>>2587027
They were able to provide such stability and tranquility for the inner empire that the cities tore down thier walls. All good things come to an end, but I wouldnt call a state which had a 200 year golden age a failure.

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>>2586256
>Egyptians were black.
>We find a strong genetic link of ancient and ancient Near East
>We find an increase in sub-saharan ancestry in modern Egyptians(+20%)
KANGZ BTFO https://twitter.com/amwkim

>>2585631
What is Roman Law.

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>>2584940
>>2586295
>>2587216
>>2587216
>>2584937
>Dfw you show up to your empty thread a day later
t-hanks guys. you got it

>>2591935
Nearly every Egyptian Christian is Coptic.

It's not totally ridiculous to suggest some displacement happened to the aboriginal populations. In Egypt, the nomadic tribes converted to Islam first in many cases and occupied areas left comparatively empty after the Justinian plague. The original Egyptian inhabitants were conquered and mixed with the greeks and arabs. The real question should just be "how much?"

>>2590462
We wuz White n Shiet

http://www.livescience.com/37092-southern-europeans-have-african-genes.html

In terms of autosomal DNA, the most recent study regarding African admixture in Iberian populations was conducted in April 2013 by Botigué et al. using genome-wide SNP data for over 2000 individuals, concluding that Spain and Portugal hold significantly higher levels of North African than the rest of the European continent. Estimates of shared ancestry averaged between 4 and 20% whereas these did not exceed 2% in other western or southern European populations. The highest level of North African ancestry (20%) was found in the Canary Islands while in the Iberian Peninsula it averaged 10–12%

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>>2595745
>North Africa

Who cares? Russians, Finns and some Nords have chink genes that give them panfaces and slanty eyes. That's worse.

>>2595756
Average 10-12% North African genes
We wuz white. Nope you are mixed white


>Russians
>Finns
"""""White"""""

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>>2595756
>that actor who plays foggy

Christ.... That guy has a most punchable face i've ever seen

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>>2595768
Some of that admixture is ancient, not recent, and I dunno if it's as high as 10-12% as it says since it's just a shit sensationalist pop science article. The same is true for Finns, Russians and Scandis, but having mongoloid admixture is different than having caucasoid.

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>>2595607
Coptic isn't a religion you doofus. Being orthodox Christian does not make you a Copt.

>>2584911
>Caesar
>not obsessed with Alexander

>>2590755
>What are you trying to refute? If you're country is being enslaved and occupied there is no fucking way it's going to progress, it doesn't even exist. Even then, the enlightenment isn't something that was "reached".

You're an idiot. Greeks were not occupied by the Byzantines, they were the Byzantines. They were the Greco Romans for over a thousand years. Yet they didn't do any significant advancements. The Ottomans ruling Greece for 330-400 years didn't change anything since Greeks didn't progress.

>>2590755
>The renaissance was for all intents and purposes a rediscovery and revitalization of Ancient Greek and Roman culture.
No. It was a reintepretation. Westerners took ancient greco roman materials, ideas and culture and made them their own. They re-imagined rome to fit the new Western culture. This lead to a new Western height.

>Why would the Byzantine Empire - a Greco-Roman civilization which was the continuation of the roman empire - start a renaissance on their own culture?

They weren't advancing with what they had. Italians would have been the same as Greeks had they not been brought into the Western world started by the Germanics. The disconnect from Classical Rome and Greece that the Italians suffered was beneficial for them to experience a new interpretation of the Greco Roman classical world. With this new interpretation, they started to do something new. Their spirit was revitalized.

>You realize the Ancient Greeks didn't intend or expect their creations to influence other countries right? It wasn't at all like the industrial revolution or the Renaissance, which were forced
This has nothing to do with what I wrote.

You're expecting Greeks to become Westerner if the Ottoman empire didn't rule them is nonsensical. The trajectory the West took is an entirely different path than the stagnation that Greeks were experiencing before the Ottomans.

>>2590755
>Not exactly, but they look more like Greeks than Arabs definitely.

You're cherrypicking. It's only natural for women to looker fairer than men in that region. Compare even the Copts men from the north, they look identical to Arabs.

>>2590755
>Even then, the enlightenment isn't something that was "reached".
This sentence makes no sense. See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

>>2596632

Not that guy so I dunno what he meant by it, but as far as I'm concerned saying we "reached" the enlightenment is about as silly as saying we "reached" antiquity or "reached" the medieval times.

It's a historical category we made up after the fact, not some finish line that existed that people were competing to get to.

I think the renaissance and the enlightenment were great European achievements, but it's pretty dumb to act like arriving at these places is a given as if societies just generate Civilization Mana until they level up to the next age.

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A lot of people kinda missed OP's point lol. It's true that we tend to romanticize our predecessors (as our predecessors did too, just look at the writings of the Greeks on most ancient and glorious Egypt) even though they were just the same morons as we are, and worse.

As for the DNA stuff discussed ITT, we're getting a lot of ancient DNA samples these days. Just wait a bit and the genetic part of the equation will be better understood when we have more samples.

To answer OP's question with what we know now:

1) The Romans were a minority of the Italic population in the first place. The population of Italy was never particularly "genetically Roman". The population of Italy seems to actually have changed less than other parts of Europe if IBD sharing (look it up) is to be believed. There were some influences throughout it, especially in the South, no doubt.

2)There's basically no Turkish ancestry in the Balkans in general. It's easy to show this since the Balkans lack the significant Central Asian ancestry Anatolian Turks have. We'll see how much the region has otherwise changed with ancient DNA.

3)Ancient Egyptian results are already being produced. They cluster with ancient and modern Levantines and they apparently lack most of the Sub-Saharan ancestry modern Egyptians have that seems to be post-Roman. Basically no Nordicism or Afrocentrism when it comes to ancient Egypt, it seems, as expected. We should wait for these to be published and for more for a clearer picture though.

>>2596623
>Greeks were not occupied by the Byzantines, they were the Byzantines
Never claimed this bozo.

>Yet they didn't do any significant advancements
lol'd. They made plenty of significant advancements. Maybe you chose to ignore them or maybe they are overshadowed by their previous advancements but I don't think you've read a single page out of a book concerning the Byzantine empire.

>No. It was a reintepretation. Westerners took ancient greco roman materials, ideas and culture and made them their own.
The word "renaissance" literally translates to "rebirth", fuck off. Taking another civilization or empire's philosophy, art etc. and making it part of your "culture" is unoriginal and you are literally moving backwards in terms of culture.

>They weren't advancing with what they had. Italians would have been the same as Greeks had they not been brought into the Western world started by the Germanics. The disconnect from Classical Rome and Greece that the Italians suffered was beneficial for them to experience a new interpretation of the Greco Roman classical world. With this new interpretation, they started to do something new.
>Their spirit wuz revitalized
Winced so hard reading this paragraph. I don't think you understand that the Renaissance in general wasn't an "advancement". Maybe you see it that way because the west hardly had a culture before then, and even after, relied on the accomplishments of the south. And no fucking shit Byzantine didn't experience a Renaissance period, they're not going to go hundreds of years backwards and just flaunt Greek accomplishments. kek'd at the last sentence though lmao.

>You're expecting Greeks to become Westerner if the Ottoman empire didn't rule them is nonsensical.
No I'm fucking not. Why is it so wrong to say that they couldn't progress because they were enslaved? Are you serious? Why would I want the Greeks to "become westerner"? 1/2

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>>2596623
The Renaissance period was literally just the west we wuzzing as Greeks. How do you propose the Greeks would "become westerner"? By de-evolving several hundred years?

>The trajectory the West took is an entirely different path than the stagnation that Greeks were experiencing before the Ottomans.
Yeah because they were literally enslaved. Holy fuck you're retarded.

Some Byzantine accomplishments for the uneducated cuck:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_diplomacy
>Dimitri Obolensky asserts that the preservation of civilization in Eastern Europe was due to the skill and resourcefulness of Byzantine diplomacy, which remains one of Byzantium's lasting contributions to the history of Europe and the Middle East.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_medicine
>Byzantine medicine influenced Islamic medicine as well as fostering the Western rebirth of medicine during the Renaissance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_cuisine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_science
>Byzantine science played an important role in the transmission of classical knowledge to the Islamic world and to Renaissance Italy

Notice how much of the Renaissance is literally just Byzantine knowledge? Read a book and take your mental retardation pills cuckboy. 2/2

>>2596632
>This sentence makes no sense. See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
Yes it does. If you reach something then that something is pre-destined or already in place. Please stop disagreeing with everything I say just for the sake of disagreeing you brainlet.

>>2596710
>le the renaissance wasn't a dark age maymay

>>2596710
It's honestly not worth arguing with Nordicists/Western Exceptionalists. Not sure why you're even bothering, they won't listen.

>>2583270
Top kek

>>2597679
I don't know how someone can sit here and argue over something so simple. All I said was Greece couldn't progress during that time because it was enslaved. And then this idiot has the audacity to claim the Byzantine empire accomplished nothing on a fucking history board of all places. I see the pseudo-cuck arguing in every thread over basic shit.

>>2596640
Good answer. No haplogroup retardation, no Ad Hominem, no comparing busts of gods to modern people, and instead actual insight on current studies. Thanks for not shitting up this board.