How did Uralics prevail against Indo-Europeans, whilst Paleo-European

>>2570738
Because Uralics expanded from their Asian homeland post-IE colonization of Europe.

Paleo-Europeans were either too stupid to advance themselves or too matriarchal/feminist to care about getting ethnically replaced.
It's not surprising they didn't make it.

>>2570738
Uralic lived in shithole areas where no one else lived

Farmers lived in advanced societies in contact with others

>>2570794

>Farmers lived in advanced societies in contact with others

Didn't stop them from getting rekt now did it?

And you're wrong btw. Uralics expanded over Fatyanovo-Balanovo Corded Ware to create the modern day Finnic/Permic people. You don't become genetically Corded Ware by expanding over nothingness. You become genetically Corded Ware by expanding your dick inside Corded Ware women.

>>2570754
>matriarchal/feminist
Although we don't know much about the pre-Indo-Europeans, this is pretty much a myth.

Also, please remember that although their LANGUAGES were almost entirely replaced, the pre-Indo-European PEOPLE were not replaced. Plenty were wiped out, yeah, but plenty others simply adopted IE languages and gradually interbred with the Indo-Europeans (no, not just through rape, shockingly enough /pol/ didn't exist back then and they had no real reason not to).

There were certainly large migrations and ensuing demographic shifts, but they were not total shifts.

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>>2570818
>shockingly enough /pol/ didn't exist back then and they had no real reason not to)
>implying xenophobia is a strictly modern phenomenon
>implying pre PIE European hunter gatherers went full blown #refugeeswelcome

why are you so fucking dumb?

>>2570818

Matriarchal cultures aren't a myth.

You just don't want to believe Europe could have been home to such a people.

>>2570818
>It's le myth, muh contrarian opinion xDD

Explain how they built thousands of venus idolds, explain how the neolithic temples of malta have huge venuses idols all over the place and so do all the other sacredsites of other pre IE civilizations

>>2570818
>>2570804
>>2570794
>>2570738
A genetic analysis of human bone remains dating back to 6500 to 2700 B.C. in the Liao area, Haplogroup N (Y-DNA) (frequently in Uralic peoples and Yakuts) was observed at approximately 70% frequency.[4] People of Liao civilization possibly are related to Uralic and Yakut people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liao_civilization

>>2570738

Same reasons Basques survived.

>>2572634

Basque language somehow managed to survive but that's different.
They never spread over Indo-European land.

Only Uralic and Turkic people have managed to take Indo-European territory and keep it.

>>2572654
uralics did their thing in lands before IE replaced them

Kelteminar culture (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan 5500BC) (Mongoloid)
Scientists hold that Kelteminar culture is related to the Pit–Comb Ware culture and belongs to the Finno-Ugric peoples.
The Kelteminar culture was replaced by the IE Tazabagyab culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelteminar_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suyarganovo_culture

>>2572634
Actually, Basques are some of the most cucked people by Indo-Europeans. 85% of them are R1b, the highest frequency in Europe, while Finns are only 8.5% Indo-European (R1a + R1b) from the paternal side.

>>2572719

Theoretical connections to things like Kelteminar are irrelevant until proven.

It however is a proven fact that Uralics invaded and assimilated the women of Fatyanovo-Balanovo to become predominantly Europoid.

The traditional distribution of Finno-Permic languages as well as European mitochondrial DNA both attest that this indeed happened.

Later on the same thing happened in Estonia and Finland.

>>2572737
all of history is theoretical. not to mention, as you type, physicists are proving multiverses, simulated universe, timeline intrusions etc..

but your getting rice'd narrative is true

>>2570738
Hungary must feel very isolated.

>>2572621
>Haploshits
Liao River "N" was N M231(downstream clades of NF2905) not N TAT.

Uralic's are descended from N L1026.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N/

>>2572917
butthurt fingol detected


in recent genetic analysis of ancient human bones excavated from the remains of Liao civilization, haplogroup N1 (Y-DNA) is found with a high frequency of 71%, including old paragroups of N1.[27] So, a new possibility arises that the Urheimat of Uralic languages (and perhaps also Yukaghir languages) may be Liao river region. The oldest Pit–Comb Ceramic, related to Finno-Ugric peoples, is also found in Liao civilization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumpolar_peoples

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_Siberia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_homeland_hypotheses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit%E2%80%93Comb_Ceramic

>>2570738

>he believes "Indo-Europeans" were an actual people.

>>2572962

Estonian Comb Ceramic was R1a but not close to Indo-European R1a but very rare subclades found in North Africa.

Logic would suggest that all Comb Ceramic was also R1a because N1c(L1026) isn't nearly old enough.
It was just some random forestnigger culture that left behind no legacy.

>>2572965
Clearly an important merchant people hugging the Silk road from central Asia into East and West.

>>2572962
>butthurt fingol detected
I'm a chink.

Liao River "N" is a completely diffferent subclade than the N found in Uralic populations(It's impossible for N TAT to be a descendant of N F2905)

The N TAT samples from Dashanqian and Jiangjilang are too young to be responsible for the spread of N L1026.

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>>2573263
subhuman fucking kill yourself right now

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE YELLOW PEOPLE ON MY /his/

>>2570741

He thinks there were Indo-European speakers in Finland before the Finns.

>>2573284

But there were.
It's not controversial or a good subject for debate.

Indo-Europeans showed up well before Uralics.

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>>2573280
In all seriousness,the N L1026 is probably some bronze age founder effect not some massive propagation of Asiatic rape babies.

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>>2570754
>too matriarchal/feminist to care about getting ethnically replaced
hmmm

>>2573314

it's not a coincidence that I1 is down to 45% in it's most concentrated home areas within Scandinavia.

>>2573305
In the region the Finns lived?

>>2573360

Yes. Corded Ware was present in Finland and Estonia long before the Uralic language family split off into Samoyedic and Finno-Ugric.

The timescale alone makes it impossible Uralic is pre-IE in Finland.

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>>2573374
>Corded Ware: circa 2900 BCE – circa 2350 BCE

So when did the Uralic language entered Finland to compare?

Also, it was just on the southern coast, not all of it.

>>2573405

Sami are thought to have arrived in the 2nd millenium BC. Finns in the first millenium BC.

>>2573424
>separating Sami and Finns

Are you sure the latter isn't just a derivation of the former? Sami lived (and still live) in the northern parts of Finland and Scandinavia which wasn't settled by Indo-Europeans, so they probably spread to the southern regions of Finland later and mixed with other people along the way.

>>2573353
doesn't seem to affect balkanites

>>2573453

Finnish has Baltic loanwords and is more closely related to Mordvin than Sami which is spoken very far from Finland in the middle of the Volga.

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>>2573460
The Ugric one in Hungary is certainly the weirdest. How would you explain it? The distance between Mansi and Hungarian is fucking enormous.

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>>2573454
>balkanites

listen buddy, you don't want to know about the Carpathians.

>>2573515

Raids into Europe like that were very typical at the time and usually conducted by Turkic tribes.

For whatever reason they wanted a new homeland. Maybe they had very bad relations with their neighbours or something.

>>2573515

>hung arians

>>2573539
Okay, I forgot to ask one thing: what's the closest language to Sami if not Baltic-Finnic?

>>2573581

It doesn't have one. It shares the most with Baltic-Finnic but that can be attributed to proximity and interaction.