https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unibr ow#Ancient_Greece_and_Ro

None at all as I don't expect ancient civilizations to share the same concept of beauty as America circa 2017.

ew

>>2559436
Greeks also thought small dicks were superior, so what?

>>2559436
So Ancient Greece and Rome are much closer to the Near East than the West when it comes to social norms. Interesting. It's as if Westerners are Romanboos in name only.

>>2559482
So Spengler was right.

could get used to it

wtf I hate Greece and Rome now

>>2559436
>How much did this change your perception of these civilizations?
I never knew Scandinavians liked unibrows.
>>2559482
>>2559484
Decadent irrelevance will do that to you.

>>2559436
>How much did this change your perception of these civilizations?
my perception is more positive now

>>2559436
>Unibrow
Hnnnngh!

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>>2559436
her brows are kind of mottled, they probably looked more like this, natural and flowing

>>2559436
The past is a foreign country. They do things different there.

>>2559436
The real redpill is that Classical (Greek, Roman) and Western civilization are separate. Western civilization was kickstarted by the Franks and they really were just admirers of the Romans, not their cultural descendants. A lot of the shit we think we like about Rome is actually medieval and renaissance approximation of what Rome was like, not real Rome.

Furthermore, thanks to movies and vidya we associate this sort of music with Rome: https://youtu.be/zBbWb90pUgo
While real Roman music was like this: https://youtu.be/uJLXyBzMci0

>>2559645
>A lot of the shit we think we like about Rome is actually medieval and renaissance approximation of what Rome was like
This. I wish in every history course, students are always reminded that Western culture is an interpretation of what Romans and Greeks were like and that interpretation would have to meet certain demands of the contemporary society.

The West started with the Franks and there is honestly nothing inherently wrong with that.

I came to notice that there is a lot of "WE WUZ X" with people based on race appropriation , cultural or otherwise.

>>2559645
>>2559710
The West started with Catholicism and the Vatican, both invented by the Romans.

>>2559645
Second is way better desu

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>>2559436
>dailymakeover and beaury blitz as the only credited sources of that segment
this is why I just don't trust the wikijew

Not saying this isn't true but wouldn't unibrows be present on most statues of greek and roman goddesses?

>>2559645
I like the real Roman music.

>>2559776
Pro-tip: it isn't

>>2559768
what would the beauty industry stand to gain promoting unibrows instead of promoting their removal?

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>>2559776
Greek/Roman statues had no eyebrows at all most of the time if you didn't notice. Augustus is said to have had a unibrow but there are no depictions of him with it.

>>2559645
>Western civilization was kickstarted by the Franks

t. Jacquec Pierre

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Bullshit

THIS IS THE ONLY SOURCE WIKI CITES:

http://stylecaster.com/beauty/eyebrows-history/?dm2sc=1

IT IS LITERALLY A BUZZFEED TIER ARTICLE WITH ZERO SOURCES

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>>2559832
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>2559838
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>2559845
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2559444
Fpbp
Also checked

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>>2559847
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>2559854
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2559629
Take my upvote and get out of here XD!

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>>2559863
EEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2559645
>>2559710

10/10...so much of what would become modern Western Civilization traces itself to what would become France, the Low Countries and Northern Italy...ie the Franks.

>>2559832
The New York Times is a reputable source.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/13/style/mirror-mirror-never-to-suffer-a-bad-eyebrow-day.html

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>>2559876
Also Es

>>2559882
>The New York Times is a reputable source.
Did you see their election predictions?

>>2559884
That's the Virgin Mary

>>2559876
>>2559863
>>2559854
>>2559847
>>2559845
>>2559838
none of these have unibrows. Or is that the point?

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>>2559614
That lady is hardly the image of beauty.

Even in the Fayum Portraits, you see disparate eyebrows. Women had unibrows, but they were hardly the universal standard of beauty

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Persians liked unibrows too.

>During the Qajar dynasty in Iran (1785-1925), connected brows were considered beautiful. Persian poetry lauded the abrou-ye peyvasteh or "continuous eyebrow", in men and women alike. It was compared to cupid's bow, tensed and ready to fire its dart. The classic shape – a beautiful inverted ogee – can be seen in courtly miniatures and royal portraits

Fun fact: The unibrow is still considered a symbol of beauty in Tajikistan, and many women who can't grow them even paint them on.

>>2559891
That's a Tanagra figure from 150 years before Jesus was born, you Cretin

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>>2559905

>>2559832
oh yea because old ass fucking roman art never gets edited in post

>>2559928
It was buried in the earth for 1800 years

>>2559481
We have to go back.

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>>2559882
>Condescending Anime girl.jpg

https://www.nytimes.com/by/penelope-green

>>2559481
The men may have

>>2559481
That's objectively true unless you're a faggot.

>>2559436
she's still beautiful m8

>>2559645
>if continuity isn't perfectly streamlined then there is no contuinity
thanks for reminding us all not to take /his/ too seriously

>>2559645
>>2559710
Childhood is idolizing Spengler. Adulthood is realizing Belloc is the way to go.

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>>2559826
probably trashy makeup mags that specialises in ugos

also
>trying to find logic or consistency in beauty magazines
let me stop you right there lad

>>2559436
Butiful melike

>>2560014
Belloc was an idiot who thought communism is something natural for "Slavic barbarians" while Spengler recognized communism was unnaturally imposed and forced on Russia from the west and correctly predicted that within 100 years they will get rid of it on their own.

>>2560171
>implying slavs aren't barbarians
>implying communism is approproate for turanic Russian collectivism
wew

>>2560173
Communism isn't appropriate for Russia at all, it was created by a Jew in Germany heavily drawing from Anglo line of thinking. Spengler recognized this incompatibility. Spengler would also argue that communism is just a temporary setback and Russian civilization is in its spring phase and they will outlive the Faustian men. The way the west has been cucking itself out of existence lately, it might just come true.

>>2560189
Communism isn't appropriate for any place. But as an authoritarian collectivist system (which is what it became in Russia) it's far more appropriate than liberal democracy. The tsars rein wasn't going to last forever.

>>2560200
What happened in the USSR from Stalin until its end was pretty much the manifestation of Russian soul breaking through communist horseshit. You can't just expect to extinguish cultural roots by plastering a completely foreign ideology over them, not even Mao succeeded in that and he went much further than Lenin.

>>2560200
Liberal democracy will never work in Russia or China, they need an authoritarian fist.

Their history, their people and their geography are simply antithetical to democracy.

>>2560200
Communism in its nature is egalitarian while Russia is and forever will remain rigidly hierarchical.

>>2559943
oh yea so it totally didn't need any cleaning after being buried in the earth for 1800 years, and the people doing the cleaning totally didn't edit out the parts they thought must surely have been detritus

>>2560214
So was France's history prior to 1789

>>2560220
It's a Fresco, dipshit, you can't wash it from the wall.

Are you seriously suggesting that there's some Illuminati conspiracy that's erasing the eyebrows on all these artifacts found in different places at different times.

>>2560229
>who is Voltaire and Rousseau

>>2560229
desu France is better off under a Napoleon or a de gaulle than a Sarkozy or Hollande.

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>>2559436
>sources are 2 fashion/makeup blogs
fake news transcends politics, i guess

>>2560230
>you can't wash it from the wall.
>calling ANYONE else a dipshit after posting this

>>2559894
yes

>>2560245
It's not a secco.

If you wanted to wash it off, you'd need to chip away the Plaster

>>2559878
Exactly. People should be proud of this if they are from that stock, there is nothing wrong with that.

>>2560014
I don't even know who Spengler is until someone mentioned it there. I just found that claims Ancient Rome and Greece are Western are not factual and stretching.

>>2559995
>No reading comprehension: The post

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>>2560235

>>2559832
>>2559838
>>2559845
>>2559847
>Roman had the exact same beauty standard as Ancient Greeks

There could be an argument about similar beauty standards but to say it was 100% the same is very dubious. Also, the Hellenic world before Alexander was already diverse. Thus such beauty standard could be found in some places. And Ancient Rome itself would have varied beauty standards that will not remain the same throughout its history.

Anyway, this is what the french wiki says.

>Selon l'historienne du maquillage Madeleine Marsh (2009), le monosourcil était considéré comme remarquable en termes de beauté féminine dans la Rome antique et dans la Grèce antique, et si on n'avait pas la chance de l'avoir naturellement, Ovide recommandait de le simuler avec de l'encre7.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synophridie

Apprently, Ovid recommended to draw it if you didn't have it naturally.

>>2560264
>lumps together greek and roman
>n-n-not the same thing for franks
historical comprehension fail: the post

>>2560295
You are right to not have green texted that last line because it perfectly describes your post.

>>2560294
You can scroll down to when I posted Greek Vase painting, if you would

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I un-ironically like unibrows

>>2559962
Lil' dick nigga detected

>>2559436
I long for this time to come again.

My glorious uni-brow has to be hidden from the cruel and merciless world. One day all members of my race will rise up to claim our rightful place. But for now we chafe under the slavery of the duo-browed masses.

>>2560310
Whats this from?

>>2559962
But anon, Greeks were the faggots.

>>2560304
>the romans immediately adopted greek culture and didnt have their own equivalent of a transition period before getting back to the good stuff
Why are you even on /his/ you ahistorical faggot?

>>2560295
Greek and Roman culture was pretty much identical. Meanwhile the Franks were just approximating snippets of a dead foreign civilization. In other words, Romans were classical while the Franks were classicalboos.

>>2560355
https://youtu.be/kszLwBaC4Sw

>>2559645
>>2559710
>>2559878
>>2560014
>>2560261

You know what is worse than " black we wuz" meme?

That is frogs claimed they wuz founders of Western Civilization n shiet

>>2559710
(1/5)

The Decline of the West
ALMOST immediately after the end of the Great War a German wrote a highly successful or widely boomed book called “The Decline of the West.” [by Oswald Spengler, 1880-1936] The most human inference (in the opinion of many) was that the German, having assisted at the spectacle of the Decline and Fall of the German Empire, naturally wanted all the rest of us to decline and fall with him. He felt it would be obviously a breach of taste and tact for any nation to flourish if Germany had declined; if indeed, he was even aware of the existence of such fringes of his Empire as France or Flanders or England. Anyhow, he applied his doctrine to all that is most active in our civilisation, whether we are so constituted as to call it the Indo-Germanic race or prefer to call it Christendom. But there was more in this theory of his about a general collapse; which was also a theory of a recurrent collapse. In this, indeed, and in his general idea of a modern phase of decline, his view was quite reasonable and very persuasively stated. But there was bound up with it another set of ideas which are not necessarily any part of the theory, either that civilisations periodically weaken or that our civilisation has weakened in our period. Those two theses may quite well be true; but the thesis of the book was false.

>>2559710
(2/5)

For me, at least, it was false because it was fatalist; false because it was unhistoric; and false because it involved a particular falsity about the very spirit of the great culture which the critic criticised. It is the whole point of that culture that it has been continuous; it was the whole point of the critic that it have been discontinuous and disconnected. He was not content to say that civilisations revolve in separate cycles, in the sense in which we might be said to belong to a different civilisation from the Druids. He cut up ordinary European history into chunks, that were supposed to have no more to do with each other than Chinese history and Aztec history. He chopped ordinary Christian history in two in the middle, in order to deny that either part of it was Christian. So far as I remember, he attributed the first half of it to entirely to the Moslem Arabs, because they were not Christians; and the second half of it to people of the type of Faust, because they were rather fishy sort of Christians, and Germans as well. And he talked about these divisions as they were like the abysses that might separate a stratum full of primordial crystals from a stratum, aeons afterwards, containing the first fantastic traces of marsupial life.

>>2559710
(3/5)

Now, I am quite certain, as a matter of mere common sense, that the history of Christendom, or even the history of Europe, was never so fragmentary as that. We are much more connected with the ancient Greeks than the German writer would allow us to be with the later mediaevals, or even the earlier moderns. The sort of distinction he suggested only happens when a cycle of civilisation really dies, and then fossilises and remains as inscrutable as an ammonite. We have no idea what was the religion of the Cro-Magnons, though we infer from certain pictures of ritual dances (as well as from our own common sense) that they had one. We do not know the significance of the Cup and Ring Stones, though the fortunate and civilised of us still use rings, as in the case of wedding-rings, or cups even in the sense of wine-cups. We do not even know if we interpret the signs rightly, or whether they are signs at all. Now, the Greek gods have never died in that fashion; and the Roman Empire has never dies at all. Of the most modern industrial cities in England, many have in their very names the title of the Roman Camp; and wherever there stood the Roman Camp, there stood afterwards the Christian Cathedral. There was never one moment, in the long history from Herodotus to Herr Spengler, when all the men who counted in any age did not count The Fall of Troy; there was never a generation when young poets did not make that old tale a topic for new poems. I wonder whether a poem by Heredia about Antony, or a poem by Morris about Arthur, belongs to the dead Greek period or the dead Arabic period? There was never a generation of poets that did not invoke Virgil, if only to imitate him. There was never a generation in which philosophers did not refer to Aristotle, if only to contradict him. The thread of our cultural continuity has never been broken.

>>2559710
(4/5)

I think the fact worth recording at the moment for two reasons. The first is that the same energetic German author has just launched another book, of much less dignity and of much more dogmatism, reaffirming his theory, and especially the most gloomy and barbaric parts of it. The other is that there is a horrible possibility that what he says falsely about our past may be said truly about our future. I mean that, hitherto, the men of our ancient tradition have done everything except forget. Whatever might be fanatical or ill-balanced about their religions or their revolutions, they have each, in turn, taken particular care to remember the deeds of their fathers. Even when they poisoned the purer Paganism if Homer and Pindar, they did not destroy it; they left it standing for ever against them as a reproach. Even when they dethroned the Greek gods they did not dismiss them; in the first just fury they denounced them as devils, but in the long run they let them remain as elves. They let them remain as fanciful and fabulous figures, for literary metaphor or plastic decoration, so that Christendom has left the nymph in poetry or the cupid in sculpture. It is true that now, for the first time, the race that always remembered is invited on every side to forget.

>>2559710
(5/5)

Yes; it is true that to-day, for the first time, our newspapers and our new politicians have asked us to forget, not what happened a thousand years ago or a hundred years ago, but what happened twenty years ago. When it is a question of shifting a policy or rehabilitating a politician, they will ask us to forget what happened two years ago or two months ago. Here, indeed, we have the great Spengler System, of total separation of one historical episode from another. Here is the true trick of regarding ourselves as divided by aeons and abysses not only from our fathers, but from ourselves. Thus, by reading the daily paper every day, and forgetting everything that it said on the previous day, we can divide human history into self-contained cycles; each consisting, not of five hundred years, but of twenty-four hours. By this means we can consider the slogans and swaggering policies which we ourselves cheered only recently, as if they were hieroglyphics as unintelligible as the Cup and Ring of Stones. This new quality of forgetfulness, in our current culture, does give some justification to the pessimism of the German professor; and if we accept such oblivion, then doubtless our “cycle” will really curl up like a worm on the floor and lie still for ever.

~G.K. Chesterton: Illustrated London News, September 3, 1932.

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>>2560375
>almost 500 centurie between first contact and homogenisation of greek/roman culture
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Roman_relations_in_classical_antiquity

really tingled my thalamus

>>2560370
You should learn how to read before writing. You should then learn history (if your brain is even capable of gathering knowledge) and so that maybe you won't make false equivalencies between Greece and Rome and The West with the former two. First the difference between Greece and Rome is far smaller than the different between The West and any of those two.

>>2560456
>says rome and greece are the same
>its my fault for pointing ou this bullshit
okkid.jpeg

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>>2560411
This skips the Etruscans though, who were the real founders of Rome and the last kings of Rome were recorded to be of Etruscan ancestry. They were influenced by the Magna Graecians.

>>2560466
>who were the real founders of Rome
Then why was Rome Latin?

Wouldn't the Albans be a better founder, considering the Romans drew relations between their earliest kings and the Albans?

How about the Sabines, since the first king was supposed to hold a dual reign with a Sabine, and the Second king was a Sabine?

Why would the Etruscans have founded it?

>>2560390
This isn't an argument.

>>2560480
Rome was Latin the same way Anatolians speak a Turkic language. It doesn't mean that Turkics had more civilization before they were taught by Persians.

>>2559436
Not at all t.b.h.

>>2559645
>>2559710
>Western civilization was kickstarted by the Franks
This

>>2560466
The position of king wasn't necessarily dynastic, the senate confirmed ones appointment to the position and did choose kings not of direct blood lineage to the previous. Ending with Etruscan kings does not necessarily mean starting with Etruscan kings.

>>2560390
There were more franks than those in France.

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>>2560529
It expressly didn't, at least according to myth.

Since the whole king list is shrouded in Myth, it's just as likely the first King was a Latin, the First a Sabine, and the last 3 Etruscan.

They've found Iron Age dwellings from the King Period, and they're not incongruous with Latin homes. There's no evidence of Etruscan civilization

>>2559484
Who is Spengler and what was he right about?

>>2560390
>frogs

more like Frogs, Krauts, Deigos, Rosbeefs and Spaniards...Franks or Frankish franchises established all those nations.

>>2560555
And those etruscan kings were not above cracking etruscan skulls in Romes interests. Etruscan culture influence may very well have occurred, but founding seems a bit far off.

>>2560571
Except that was Italic people who found Roman Empire. With Roman Catholic as its state Religion and responsible for the Renaissance.

Filthy franks had nothing to do with it

>>2560622
Franks were Vital in Catholicism's success. They were the only powerful Germanic Nation to accept Catholicism.

Without them, Rome falls to the Arian Lombards and stays that way.

>>2559909
Ancient Greece and Rome were closer to Mediterraneans than to other Europeans, surprise

>>2559484
Yes

And do you know what the next world civilization to rise is? Who will have the next renaissance, who the west's spiritual successor will be and who in the future will dominate the arts and sciences? Who the special spark will be inherited by?

Hint: not china

It's LATIN AMERICA

mark my words. 2 centuries or so from now you'll see its true.

>>2560632
>They were the only powerful Germanic Nation to accept Catholicism.

Yes, they took the bait, they fell for muh successsor of Rome meme

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>>2560664
>this is what huehues actually believe

>>2560683
I'm not even latam
Just looking at the patterns of the world and using intuition

>>2560664
Im not even surprised if at some point Europe and America will be so mongrelised that East Europeans and Latin Americans would be considered much western in comparison, but how do you think they'll be able to defeat China?

>>2560664
erm Spengler predicted the Russian spiritual and political revival in the 21st century though, I don't recall anything about S.America

>>2560737
>looking at patterns
care elaborating on your reasoning a little more then? I often wonderes what latin america might become if it ever got over it's coke addiction and jungle guerilla larping but I wouldn't have placed them at the top.

>>2560664
>mark my words. 2 centuries or so from now you'll see its true.
2 centuries or so from now and we'll all be dead.

>>2560792
What bout the singularity

>>2560801
A meme until (((they))) are rooted out from positions of power, corrupting all that is good.

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>>2559481
I was born in the wrong time.

>>2559911
then where was Darmok and Jalod?

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>>2559481
Didn't they think sexual restraint was a desirable trait? Something about how lust was a bestial/primitive urge, and a man who couldn't control it wasn't civilised. So unless you were fucking your wife/slaveboy you were expected to have a nonerect dick.

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>>2560632
>Without them, Rome falls to the Arian Lombards and stays that way

*blocks your path*

>>2560747
America already is, and no its because of mexicans or refugees or even blacks. Those all contribute but it's mostly the huge 19th and early 20th century immigration, they indeed assimilated but diluting whatever original anglo-american settler culture we had originally. Not we're just a mess with a culture not even 200 years old, it's barely culture at all, no history. That's why the civic nationalism thing is so strong here and why Trump is getting so much shit, because true nationalism for the US is almost impossible.

>>2561633
no its not* because of

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>>2560555
Dude, the Latins were fucking tribal people who lived in mudhuts before the Etruscans came and civilized their barbarian ass: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization#Possible_founding_of_Rome

>Those who subscribe to an Italian foundation of Rome followed by an Etruscan invasion, typically speak of an Etruscan "influence" on Roman culture – that is, cultural objects which were adopted by Rome from neighbouring Etruria. The prevailing view is that Rome was founded by Italians who later merged with Etruscans. In this interpretation, Etruscan cultural objects are considered influences rather than part of a heritage.[28] Rome was probably a small settlement until the arrival of the Etruscans, who constructed the first elements of its urban infrastructure such as the drainage system

>Under Romulus and Numa Pompilius, the people were said to have been divided into thirty curiae and three tribes. Few Etruscan words entered Latin, but the names of at least two of the tribes – Ramnes and Luceres – seem to be Etruscan. The last kings may have borne the Etruscan title lucumo, while the regalia were traditionally considered of Etruscan origin: the golden crown, the sceptre, the toga palmata (a special robe), the sella curulis (curule chair), and above all the primary symbol of state power: the fasces.

>The historical Etruscans had achieved a state system of society, with remnants of the chiefdom and tribal forms. In this, they were different from the surrounding Italics, who had chiefs and tribes. Rome was in a sense the first Italic state, but it began as an Etruscan one. It is believed that the Etruscan government style changed from total monarchy to oligarchic republic (as the Roman Republic) in the 6th century BC, although it is important to note this did not happen to all the city-states.

>>2561646
Everyone starts tribal somewhere. Etruscans necessarily must have been tribal too in some form. Doesn't matter.

>>2561669
What matters is that the Etruscans developed civilization before the Latins, so it's obvious the Latins were influenced by them rather than the other way around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language#Alphabet

>The Latin script owes its existence to the Etruscan alphabet, which was adapted for Latin in the form of the Old Italic script. The Etruscan alphabet[38] employs a Euboean variant[39] of the Greek alphabet using the letter digamma and was in all probability transmitted through Pithecusae and Cumae, two Euboean settlements in southern Italy. This system is ultimately derived from West Semitic scripts

>>2559436

there are some mediterran and balkan phenotypes that have a tendency for unibrows in women, but these also tend to be well developed, voluptuous and rather sexual individuals, so that might be how some of that got started

source - i fucked one, then i started noticing them more

>>2559742
>Catholicism and the Vatican
>invented by the Romans

Both those things were invented by the French.

>>2561741
That's not true and Franks aren't the same as modern French.

>>2561749
That's an idiotic distinction that was only created to coddle various national prides. Although I've never heard anyone go as far as claiming the Franks were Romans.

>>2561749
Really, so when did the Franks vanish and France pop into existence? At the French Revolution?

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>>2561756
The successor of the Frankish empire was the HRE. France wasn't part of it. They named their country after them because the Franks called that region "West Francia". Germany was "East Francia" and Italy and some other regions were "Middle Francia".

ITT Franks We Wuz

>>2561764
And I suppose the successor of the British Empire is India, correct?

East Francia (not the HRE which was formed out of East Francia a century later) was almost entirely made of land conquered by Charlemagne just a couple of decades earlier. Which is why West Francia conserved ALL the regalia of Francia, including the name, royal title, capital, traditions of coronation and burial, patron saints, etc. East Francia only inherited the imperial title created by Charlemagne. Pepin the Short, who created the Papal States in 756, was called "king of the Franks", had his capital in Paris, was crowned in Rheims, and buried in Paris, like almost every king of France until the Revolution.

Also this is irrelevant to the question of Catholicism which was created in the 10th century, or are you going to come up with some new bullshit reason why France didn't exist then either?

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>>2561783
>Catholicism which was created in the 10th century

b8

Pic related for the rest of your post. It wasn't just you that wuz Franks n shiet you faggot.

>>2561788
What we know as Catholicism is the result of the Cluniac Reforms which began in 910 in France.

And the Carolingians are just one family, what on Earth are you talking about? France and the Franks existed for centuries before the Carolingians were even a thing, in fact there were only two Carolingian kings before the Treaty of Verdun. What's next are you going to tell me the true French are the Spanish because they're ruled by a branch of the Bourbons?

I noticed every one of you "Franks aren't French" drones seems to believe history began with Charlemagne's imperial coronation and is utterly ignorant of everything before that.

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>>2561823
>Franks aren't French" drones seems to believe history began with Charlemagne's imperial coronation and is utterly ignorant of everything before that

Franks came from the Lowlands and spoke a Germanic language.

>>2561741
I guess all the Latin popes and theologians are our imagination?

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>>2561846
French people spoke all kinds of different languages, although the vast majority spoke Roman. The only part that spoke Germanic languages was the Eastern half of Austrasia.

>>2561855
Before France intervened the Pope was just another Orthodox Patriarch, and by the early Middle Ages he had become a Byzantine puppet with no relevance to Western Europe.

>>2561859
You were ruled by people who spoke a Germanic language. The official languages of the Frankish empire were Franconian and Latin.

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What makes Iberian women so beautiful lads

>>2561884
But that's completely wrong. First of all I'm not ruled by anyone, second of all the Merovingian kings were all based in Roman speaking cities, usually in Neustria. The Germanic speaking part of the realm was a backwater.

>>2561884
>The official languages of the Frankish empire

Spot the absolute retard

>>2561884
>>2561899
Also stop calling it the "Frankish Empire", there's no such thing and it makes it obvious you don't know what you're talking about. There's the kingdom of France which existed since around 500 and which was not an "empire". Then there is Charlemagne's "empire" which is named thus because he conquered a shitload of foreign tribes and because he took the honorific title of "Roman Emperor".

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>>2561909
>There's the kingdom of France which existed since around 500

*987 AD

Frankish empire is just another name for "Francia", which encompassed this entire territory in my pic, not just modern France.

>>2561928

>*987 AD
lmao, called it
>or are you going to come up with some new bullshit reason why France didn't exist then either?
What happened in 987? You mean a new guy getting elected king? Are we going to keep going like this until you tell me France was founded in 2012?

>Frankish empire is just another name for "Francia", which encompassed this entire territory in my pic, not just modern France.
Should I show you a map of the German Empire which encompassed most of Poland not to mention Southwest Africa and not just modern Germany, thereby proving that Germany isn't Germany?

These mental gymnastics are amazing.

>>2561928
You're having trouble with the whole "things change throughout history" concept don't you.

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>>2561955
>Franks originated from the Lowlands
>Austrasia only encompassed a tiny portion of modern France
>regions such as Swabia in Germany were part of the empire just as early as the French regions

SO YOU BE SAYIN'

>>2561893
Being memed by anglos, they are actually fucking crazy.

>>2561963
>haploshits
Yeah not even going to bother. Fuck off back to /pol/.

>>2561963
>muh gurmanic aryan masdurr race genetics
This is getting pathetic.

>>Franks originated from the Lowlands
That's nice except you're the only one talking about them, I'm talking about France.

>>Austrasia only encompassed a tiny portion of modern France
Most of Austrasia was within Gaul, and what the fuck is your point? Prussia only encompassed a tiny portion of modern Germany. Meanwhile the entirety of Neustria, Aquitaine, Burgundy, and Provence is within modern France.

>>regions such as Swabia in Germany were part of the empire just as early as the French regions
Wrong, the Swabians were a tributary tribe, they weren't part of the realm, and they constantly started shit until Charles Martel finally conquered and pacified them once and for all in the 8th century.

>>2562000
Why aren't they listed as a tributary state here then? >>2561846

Roman Empire and Roman Catholism are two things that created Western Civilization. Not snowniggers

>>2560351
How big is yours when you let it grow out?
Mine grows at the same rate as my moustache.

>>2562010
You're asking me to defend the shitty map you posted?

In fact the only time when Alamannia was under Merovingian rule at all was between 539 and 638.

>>2562022
Mehmet please.

>>2562022
>Roman Empire
>created Western Civilization
lmao, you mean by collapsing and letting the barbarians take over so they could create it?

>>2560466
>who were the real founders of Rome
no

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>>2559645
Second one kind of sounds like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrGwuLnL43k

>>2562040
By adopted Christianity and make it their state religion. Therefore age of christendom began, so does Western Civilization.

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>>2562000
>Austrasia, a Germanic state that ruled over Gauls
>Prussia, a Germanic state that ruled over Slavshits

So you're saying French are equivalent to Slavshits?

>>2559481
>>2559962
>>2561568
>Greeks also thought small dicks were superior, so what?

This is only half true.

The Greeks thought penises that were small when flaccid were superior. This didn't mean they idolised small penises, only small flaccid penises, they still recognised that for sex, big penises were better. The reason they held small flaccid penises to be most valued was because they were most efficient when doing physical work nude. The Greeks, as we know, did almost all their physical training, sports, and a lot of other daily activities, nude. In these cases, having a large flaccid penis would be a hindrance, so it was appropriate for someone who was a sportsman or warrior of myth to be displayed with a small flaccid penis (this is why Herakles, the idealised male figure, is displayed with a small penis, while part of his legend includes displays of his sexual prowess).

Basically, they prized growers over showers, not small penises in general.

>>2562060
No, Western civilisation and Catholicism are one specific (French) interpretation of Christianity. Of course you can't have Catholicism without Christendom, but it's far from sufficient.

>>2562062
Original Prussians were Balts. Germany is a state of German subhumans ruled by master race Balts.

>>2562062
Who you callin' a slavshit, boy?
The Prussians and the Lithuanians are Baltic peoples.

>>2562077
Nope.
The Prussians were assimilated, because they wouldn't accept christianity. The amount of Germans that came there was really high too.
This is why Latvia and Estonia weren't Germanified; Prussia was much closer to the rest of the Germans, and many people went there.

>>2562063
>they still recognised that for sex, big penises were better.
t.nigger obsessed with being a dominated cuck.

>>2562063
>they still recognised that for sex, big penises were better.
source: Your Asshole.

>>2559645
>>2559710
You can actually pinpoint the exact moment Western civilization was born. The Donation of Pepin is the moment where Mediterranean civilization, represented by the Papacy and Rome, shifts from a focus in the east (blocked by Muslim conquests) towards Northern Europe, as the Pope started looking for the Frankish monarch for protection, the Italian-French axis that would drive Western culture and expansion was born.

Everything else was just adding into it. From cultural addictions like the Renaissance (WE WUZ ROMANS AND GREEKS) or the Enlightenment (MUH REASON) to territorial expansion to the east (from Charlemagne's conquest of German lands to Obama policy in Eastern Europe) to the West (European colonization of the Americas).

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>>2559909
>Qajar dynasty concepts of beauty

>>2562082
>The Prussians were assimilated
So kind of exactly like the Franks. And yet here you are derping on about how Franks aren't Franks or French aren't French or something.

>>2560466
Everyone knows Rome owes its foundation to the Trojans. Go read a book.

>>2562072
the only interpretation of christianity is the gallican (heretic) church, ignorant buffoon

>>2562104
The Franks are way more German and Dutch than they are French. How would you argue otherwise? It's true for both culture, language and genetics.

>>2562072
>Western civilisation and Catholicism are one specific (French) interpretation of Christianity

t.Francois Hollande

>>2562094
Not really. The West didn't stop being focused on the East with the Donation of Pepin. The Western Church was still the same as the Eastern. The "Carolingian Renaissance" was just imitation of Byzantine style of art and architecture. The West was still in the cultural periphery of Byzantium.

That only changed around 910. That's when the Cluniac Reforms began, which reshaped Catholicism into a very different religion independent from Eastern Orthodoxy. It's also at Cluny that the first authentically Western art, architecture, and music was produced.

You're right though that the West was built on the twin pillars of France and the Church, but that was only the foundation.

>>2562111
Are you a nigger? You sound like a nigger.

>>2562112
The Prussians are way more Latvian and Lithuanian than they are German. How would you argue otherwise? It's true for both culture, language and genetics.

>>2562130
Ethnic Prussians weren't the ones that ruled Prussia. Balts and Slavs were the bitches of Germanics.

>>2562122
>France was indirectly responsible for the Sack of Constantinople

FUCK YOU FROGS

>>2562134
Ethnic Franks weren't the ones that ruled France. Germans and Dutch were the bitches of the French.

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>>2562152
>FRANce wasn't ruled by the FRANks

>>2562149
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins

And that is just one example of typical Byzantine behaviour, those cowardly treacherous shits had it coming a thousand fold.

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>>2562154
>PRUSSIA wasn't ruled by the PRUSSIAns

>>2562156
Would never happen if the churches were united.

A thread about unibrows led to this.

>>2559882
>any newspaper
>reputable

K E K

nothing is reputable by itself, especially indoctrination centers

>>2560664
has a latam, i've got to say you could not be more wrong

>>2562741
That's what tribal britons would have said

>>2559645
Got to say, this is one of the big reasons for loving 4chan. That's some cool fucking music there I probably wouldn't have found otherwise.

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Deuteronomy 14:1--"Ye are the children of the Lord your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead." (King James Version)

>>2562959
>floppy

Satyr dicks were erect all the time.