Could a "German Talleyrand" have saved Germany at Versailles?
>>2551914
Nope
France's borders and general shape were already set upon by the Coalition in their general form, see the Peace of 1814.
Talleyrand's advance was to re-integrate France among the winners by claiming that Bourbon France was one of the winners, as they had struggled against Napoleon on the winning side too, and hence France was on the winning side.
In material, territorial, economic terms, he affected nothing.
A German Talleyrand would have been impossible as no German republic could ever claim the 20 years of active military opposition to Napoleon that the French exiled monarchists could, and like Talleyrand he wouldn't be able to impact the important things, territorial and economic concessions.
At least they can never take your dreams away...
>>2551914
Saved Germany of what?
Germany got away very lughtly compared to what they had done
Look at what happened to A-H and the Ottoman Empire
>>2551956
They had the most objectively beautiful borders in Europe, but the Reddit-Hexagon just couldn't deal with it.
>>2551947
What do you think of the argument that a German Talleyrand could have played off the Allies' fear of a rise in Bolshevism the way Talleyrand played on the fears of liberal revolutionaries to make a case for leaving a stabilizing force in central Europe?
>>2551956
I actually agree somewhat, the question was just an interesting one raised by a book I was reading. So admittedly my problem is that I do find the premise of the question hard to agree with to some extent, still an interesting discussion I think.