Al-Andalus was the ISIS of the Midle Ages >besides a small

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My gawd such a shithole so acculturate

>>2540741
>OMG, any empire that conquers and occupies a territory is literally ISIS!

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>cucks itt defending muslim imperialism

A place that had a Jewish community (not as persecuted as by the chritian later on) can hardly be assimilated to ISIS

Yet it produced the most scientists per capita in Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medieval_European_scientists

I would say it was a step down from the Romans, but a step up from the Visigoths.

>>2540767
U are fake arguments

>>2540760
Granada was a Castillian vassal and Castillians built the Alhambra. Sorry pal muslims were barbarians

>>2540771
The Visigoths produced a lot of intelectual figures for the time. All the scientist and intelectuals in Al Andalus were iberian converts and jews

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>>2540767
Because it's nowhere comparable to ISIS. Dumbshit.

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>>2540778
>The Visigoths produced a lot of intelectual figures for the time

Such as?

>>2540782
Ooga the Booga.

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The middle ages where the ISIS of the middle ages...

Yes 30 years war is later but you get me

>>2540776
Didn't know the castillians had this typically arabo-persian architecture and used Arab script but ok if u say so

>>2540778
>The Visigoths produced a lot of intelectual figures for the time. All the scientist and intelectuals in Al Andalus were iberian converts and jews
wow that desperation

>>2540782
Saint Isidore was probably the biggest intelectual figure in Europe at the time. Most of the knowledge from Aristotles comes from him

>>2540794
Peter the great was a fanboy of arab architecture in Seville after demolishing the old building. The emir of Granada that was his best friend asked him for help to build most things in Granada. If you ever go to the Alhambra they will explain it to you

>>2540789
kys

>>2540797
He wasn't a Visigoth though. He converted them to Catholicism in fact.

>>2540810
The Visigoths had unifiedcthe latin law with the german law and made them de facto the same citizens at the time of Saint Isidore but he was native iberian if you want to call it that way. Well most muslims in Spain were native converts except the nobility and NA warriors

>>2540800
Well you just said it : it's all Arab architecture. Arabs architects and artists built it, in a style that is for its biggest part inspired by Arabic influences and art that has developed in Al Andalus

>>2540800

Source?

>>2540823
It was influenced by arab architecture. The people that built it were christians. Peter the Cruel just loved arab architecture and created a replica in Seville and his vassal asked him to help him with his castle.

>>2540827
Peter the cruel not the great. They explained it to us in Granada.

>>2540818

>most muslims in Spain were native converts

false

>>2540831
Christians who wrote quranic quotes on the walls ?

>>2540837
>false
There was 11 million people in Spain at the peak of the caliphate.I highly doubt that 9 million Arabs and north Africans flooded Spain in 200 years

>>2540835

That is not a source

And the alhambra was buildt by many nasrid kings and was only finished by mohammed 5 if granada the friend of péter the cruel

>>2540847

Of granada

>>2540847
I trust processional historians specialized in the subject more than I trust some autist on 4chan

>>2540811
>796-1031
This is referring to the Umayyad Caliphate, not the entirety of Spain under Muslim rule from 796 to 1492.

>>2540852

Source and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammed_V_of_Granada

>>2540855
>This is referring to the Umayyad Caliphate, not the entirety of Spain under Muslim rule from 796 to 1492.
The Umayyad caliphate with the taifas were the most prosperous period.The Almohads and Almoravids were pretty intolerant and overall shit

>>2540771
Wow, destroyed him; with science ^^

>>2540844

>9 million
muslims were never a majority of the population
that idea of mass conversions is just a complete fabrication with the intent of legitimizing a "native" islamic population in Europe instead of the invading ocupying force it really was, it is nothing more than historical revisionism to fuel a diversity propaganda

>>2540855

when the caliphate breaks up into taifas and the christians start pushing back is not relevant

>>2540852
Then give your sources. Also yes it seems the "nasrid" palaces were built over a certain period of time by the members of the nasrid dinasty, not by one meme Spanish king

>>2540760
weren't pillars like that visigothic in origin

>>2540869
No most of the population was Muslim and christian.Most Muslims were Christian converts.Most Christians moved to the northern kingdoms through time

>>2540874
>Mostly Arabo-persian architecture
" Muh Visigoth pillars "

>>2540880
muh autistic scribbles on the walls

>>2540778
so tolerant for being the ISIS equivalent in the middle ages

>Al-Andalus was the ISIS of the Midle Ages

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>2540943
The scribbles aren't the only evidence of Islamic culture here while these pillars, should they be Visigothic, would be the only trace of Visigothic culture

>>2540874
>>2540977
How were the pillars Visigothic? Weren't they found in other Islamic architecture as well? Or was it a different kind of pillar?

>>2540987
The pillar is Roman.Both the Visigoths and the Muslims copied it

>>2540999
Well these pillars don't look that much Roman, they're just pillars

>>2541012
>don't look that much Roman
They just added some decoration.Visigothic pillars looked similar to the muslim ones but both had their origin in Rome

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>Detailed Documentary Exposing Islam (3 hours)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_VwZxN9bA

>Muhammad the World's Most Evil Man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efRRknDAuHc

>Evidence Muhammad was Demon Possessed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywOhaY-GEA

>Original Sources Koran Stole its Stories From
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhaLDYo0Kl8

>Allah = Satan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTi1FZkoEsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86PL9wueH-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLoUq8vybzY

>Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

800 years to build two palaces and two mosques, golden age my ass

>>2541020
Well that's basically pillars. You could also give them a Persian origin

>>2541042
Back to your shithole

>>2540767
>Imperialism
Yeah, The al-Andalus was totally a colony like the new Spain or Hong kong

>>2541042
>>Allah = Satan
Allah literally means "God", kek

>>2541067
>>2541052
t. Muhamed Akmed Jabil Al-Sandniggeriyya

>>2541067
the jewish god is satan
the christian god is the creator

>>2541067
god = a title
the "god" of islam is the devil

>>2541059
no imperialism if they aren't white goy

>>2540841
Muslims who defaced European architecture with their barbaric language.

>>2541091
I hope you mean Talmudic Babylonian Cabbalistic Judaism and not the Old Testament.

>>2541092
Muhammad met angel Gabriel in a cave.

Gee, I wonder who send him

>>2540781
isis has only exist for 5 years
what makes you think that if they would conquer a large landmass and rule it for 8 centuries they wouldn't built 2 palaces and 2 mosques wich is what the muslims did in spain?

>>2541092
Allah literally means "The God" in Arabic. There is another word for "god".

>>2541099
the god of genesis is the creator
the one that talks flood the earth and talk to jews is satan

>>2541101
satan of course

>>2541042
Stop, just stop

>>2540831
>arab architecture
no such thing

>>2541108
Flood was caused by the creator.
The creator delivered the Israelites out of Egypt.

>>2541113
why is it bait?
it's easy yo see that the god of jesus is not the same that destroy gomorra, that was satan, the demiurge, larping as a god

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>>2541110
>Satan can somehow order an angel to do things
This isn't even /pol/ tier. This is Deviantart tier.

>>2541121
no, the creator only create the world and jesus, the other things were made by Lucifer/satan/fallen angel/demiurge

>>2541126
he has an army of fallen angels
there's no way for mohamed to knew that was a real angel and not one sent by satan

>>2541101
see
>>2541042
>Evidence Muhammad was Demon Possessed

God's angels do not make you schizophrenic and foam at the mouth. The first thing they say is "Do not fear".

>meeting in a cave
That's a red flag. Mohammed saw a demonic spirit.

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>>2541122
>>2541127
>gnosticism

Into the trash it goes.

satan is not good or bad, he's the one that created hell to punish humans and the one that demands sacrifaces and want to be adored
lots of angels follow him cause they don't agree with the laissez faire of the creator

>>2541136
>believing that the god that kills people is the same as the one that sent jesus

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>>2541142
>>2541127
>>2541122
>>2541108
>>2541145

0/10 Poor bait.

>>2541121
>muh chosen people
good goy

>>2541145
Should evil and wickedness not be punished?

God is the author of life. He can take it away as well.

>>2541147
>reeeee I can't accept that jews are not chosen by god

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>>2541154
Torah Jews =/= Talmudic Babylonian Cabbalistic Judaism

>>2541155
no, as he made the human imperfect, he's forgiven
it's satan the one that made hell to punish and wants to rule earth
the one that talked to moses, flood the earth, destroyed gomorra, demand sacrifaces and send and angel to talk to mohamed and make a new massive religion that sacrifaces animals to him
jesus said he was the last sacrifice, the creator doesn't want more bloodshed

>>2541157
But they were.

Abraham from the land of Ur was chosen by God.
His descendants would inhabit Canaan.

God needed a bloodline out of which the promised savior would come. He also wanted a holy and righteous nation as a model to the world.

After the scattering at Babel, Satan took 60 nations. God only took 1.

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>>2541165
(You)

>>2541159
lol
what do you think makes them different? only knowledge
if you male sacrifaces you serve satan and not the creator, period

>>2541170
tell me what I'm saying that's wrong
>>2541166
no they were not
the creator created the universe
then some angel wanted to be seen as god and choose jews
why would god command to kill the caanites? he wouldn't, but satan surely would

>>2541166
>He also wanted a holy and righteous nation as a model to the world.
by making genocides and sacrifacing lambs?

>>2541174
The Jews of the OT worshiped God.

Then they started whoring after pagan gods. After the Babylonian exile, you had the rabbinical oral traditions which would be compiled into the satanic Talmud.

Animal sacrifices were for the atonement of sins, dumb ass. It was a foreshadowing of Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the cross. Why do you think He is called the perfect lamb?

You clearly know little about Jewish history. Back to /pol/

>>2541166
>Satan took 60 nations. God only took 1.
no, satan took them all

>>2541182
Because the Canaanites were exceedingly evil and had 100 years to stop being evil.

>Sex with animals
>Child sacrifice to Baal
>No respect for each other
>Killing the poor

>>2541189
so you really believe that god would choose some tribe and make them ethnic cleanse some land?
you are the perfect goy

>>2541189
>Animal sacrifices were for the atonement of sins, dumb ass. It was a foreshadowing of Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the cross
yeah of course, that's why jews keep being jews and making sacrifaces huh?
they do it cause they know theit deal was with satan and he wouldn't sent no jesus

>>2541186
You know so embarassingly little.

>>2541195
>>Sex with animals
>>Child sacrifice to Baal
>>No respect for each other
>>Killing the poor
jews do this too

>>2541205
enlgith me then goy

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>>2541199
I can't believe someone is this retarded.

>doesn't know about the Fall
>doesn't know what sacrifices were for
>doesn't know what Joshua's conquest was for
>doesn't know about prophetic fulfillments
>"hurr god was cruel!"

>>2541206
They didn't back then.

Israelites and Jews were largely righteous people, look at all the prophets they produced.

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ITT: atheists/mudslimes knowing nothing (0) about biblical history

>>2541213
>>2541219
you are both american right?
only americans suck this much jewish cock
i thought it was common knwoledge that the god of the old and new testament was not the same at this point

>>2541226
No.

North-Africa and Middle-East was Christian for 600 years, you stupid mudslime.

>i thought it was common knwoledge that the god of the old and new testament was not the same at this point
Common knowledge for idiots maybe.
That theory has been debunked, only gnostics believe that crap.

Jesus = God of the OT

>>2541226
Old Testament Israelites =/= Talmudic Judaism

huge fucking difference you absolute mentally ill retard.

>>2541230
>That theory has been debunked, only gnostics believe that crap.
>Jesus = God of the OT
debunked by whom
did god appear and tell that he was the same?
hahahahahaha
debunked good lord

>>2541230
>North-Africa and Middle-East was Christian for 600 years, you stupid mudslime.
what the fuck are you on about?
what does this have to do wich any of what I said?
how can you say I'm a mudsilme when I said satan was the one that send a fallen angel to speak with mohammed to create a religion that continue with the sacrifaces?

>>2541237
???
what you mean of course they are different books who is saying they arent?
what does this have to do with the fact that the god they both talked is not the same thant created the universe and send jesus?

>>2541250
Literally not a single scholar or theologian takes your position seriously.

If you actually read the fucking Bible from start to finish you can see that it all points to Christ.
There is one God, Yahweh/Jehovah, who loves us even though we are sinful and wicked.

>>2540782
Isidore of Seville

>>2541256
Tanakh = Jewish Old Testament, real God.
Torah = first 5 books of Moses, also known as the Pentateuch.

Talmud = created in 200 AD, a satanic book full of violence and hate towards gentiles, and it says that Jesus is burning in excrement and having sex with 3 year old girls is OK.

One is when the Israelites were God's chosen people, the other is a product of denying the messiah and adopting Babylonian/Pagan occultism and mysticism (Satan).

>>2541259
>Literally not a single scholar or theologian takes your position seriously.
like I give a fuck

>>2541259
>If you actually read the fucking Bible from start to finish you can see that it all points to Christ.
so why are jews still jews?

>>2541267
nothing that you said was unknown to me
the only thing that I'm telling you is that the god of the old testaments was already the same talmudic one and by his actions you know this

>>2540869
well there weren't mass conversions, but muslims were only a minority for the first two centuries or so. Muslims were allowed to try to convert christians but not the other way around, plus there were benefits to being the same religion as the ruling class. conversion was a gradual process

>>2541259
>There is one God, Yahweh/Jehovah, who loves us even though we are sinful and wicked.
and he isn't? he killed a lot, yet that's a sin?

>>2541256
How is Jesus not the creator and God of the OT?

You brought up "genocide" and "animal sacrifices" but those have already been explained.

God was getting rid of cancer and tumors, Canaanites were extremely evil people and God gave them 140 years to repent. They did not want to change their evil ways, so God used the Israelites to get rid of them.

Read the book of Jasher to see how evil and disgusting the people of Sodom & Gomorrah were.

We live in a fallen world. Sin requires death, but God loves us. The first sacrifice is when God killed an animal to cloth Adam and Eve.

Israelites were instructed to sometimes sacrifice a lamb to atone for their sins. But this was only a temporary solution.

Jesus Christ (God in the flesh) sacrificed Himself for all the sins of mankind, past, present and future. No need to sacrifice animals now. If we believe in Jesus and His finished work, our sins will be forgotten.

>>2541282
Evil people should not be killed?

Cancer should not be eradicated?

>>2540789
Nothing wrong with killing heretics

>>2541298
I guess we should tell the Russians to stop bombing IS. Think about those poor Muslims! They're just trying to spread their peaceful religion.

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>>2541309

>>2541067
Allah mean shit

>>2541298
yes, by humans

>>2541322
And they were killed by humans.

>>2541289
god creates the universe
satan larps as god and tries to make it better
god sends to jesus

>>2541327
the flood? by humans?
nah

>>2541337
The Flood was justified.
Again, you don't know (or care) how evil people were.

Not only were people exceedingly wicked, they were also tampering with creation through genetic manipulation. Fallen angels came from heaven to have sex with human woman to create giant offspring.

If God did not stop this - the pure DNA of mankind would be lost. Satan wanted to block the seed.

Read the book of Enoch.

ITT : if something doesn't please me, it's Satan

>>2540741
>>there were no mass convertions

>>2540789
this is the european version of aztec human sacrifice correct?

>>2541733
no

>>2541734
both thought the guy upstairs would appreciate it

>>2540778

Man, not even the Iberians at the height of their power in the age of colonialism produced much of anything scientific or cultural.

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>>2541315
>Protestant memes from 1500s
Cmon now

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>>2541315

>>2540741
Nah Berber fanatics were.

>>2541924
>B-but muh Whore of Babylob!!2!

>>2541924
catholics live in the past?

>>2540789
>>2541733

samefag

>>2541906

Luther was fucking crazy, holy shit.

>>2540741
Al-Anadlus was a multicultural paradise, where Jewish astronomers supped wine and debated the philosophy and current events of the day with benevolent and tolerant Muslim rulers.

One could walk through the late night bazaars infused with all the spices of the East, a warm and serene aura of peace and co-existence wafting on the fragrant air. Jocular merchants would beckon you over to peruse their wares, and race, creed, and class meant nothing to these hearty and welcoming gentle folk.

People could worship and love in any way they chose, and the Emirs would look on smiling and nodding like adoring fathers watching their beloved children.

This was all a reality until the Christians came and ruined everything, throwing down the libraries, universities, mosques and synagogues. Of course there followed the usual Christian rituals of arresting, raping, torturing, and ethnic cleansing and genocide.

We will never see the likes of those days again...

>>2541042
>comparing the the crusades ober a time span of 100 years with muslim wars over 1 millenium

Ebin. Only a friction of these wars was religiously motivated. Or can we include the French and British conquests as christian crusades?

>>2541084
>sandniggeriya

Racism is unchristian. Jesus was also brown.

>>2541230
They werent christian before you christcuck

>>2541733
there were actual european human sacrífices made for supernatural boons. see the celts and the nordics

>>2542279
That's a myth. Native iberians were invaded, by a imperialistic and totalitarian religion and converted or they had to pay a tax, called jizia. They had to pay a tax in their own homeland, insane. Euro christians were sended has slaves to Cordoba many times. Reconquista was the natural process of retaking what was them my old heritage, tha´s why the moors were expelled out. You should read - The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule... - by Dario Fernandez-Morera

>>2542360
you either responded to yourself or to a strawman

This thread was a mistake

>>2542757
This board was a mistake.

>>2542815
This website was a mistake

>>2542292
While Racism is a perfectly fine concept in Islamic culture. You preach that you accept all folks of different creeds and races, yet you lot were the very worst to slaves you took from Africa.

>>2540741
>>there were no mass convertions, converts were treated as second rate muslims and as traitors the natives

False, the majority of muslims in Iberia were native christians converted to Islam.

>In Islamic history muwalladun designates in a broader sense non-Arab Muslims or the descendants of converts. In the Muslim-ruled parts of the Iberian Peninsula, parts of the indigenous until-then Christian population (basically a mixture of the pre-Roman peoples of the Iberian Peninsula, ancient Romans, Visigoths and Suebi) converted to Islam in the 8th and 9th centuries. In the 10th century a massive conversion of Christians took place, so that muladies comprised the majority of the population of Al-Andalus by the century's end. However, the majority of Muwallads had embraced Islam early, but retained many pre-Islamic customs and characteristics.

>Conversion to Islam was encouraged by the Umayyad caliphs and Emirs of Córdoba but it was not forced. Many Christians converted to Islam to avoid the Jizya tax which they were subjected to as Dhimmis.[11] Conversion to Islam also opened up new horizons to the native Christians, alleviated their social position, ensured better living conditions, and broadened their scope for more technically skilled and advanced work.[12]

>The Christians who embraced Islam became Mawali, or clients attached to an Arab tribe, and as such, were thoroughly islamized, adopting the Islamic dress code, customs, and language.

>>2540741
>Literally ISIS

>>2540741
>it was a shithole were violence and executiins were everyday ocurrences
That describes the whole world in that period.

>>2542209
lol no

>>2540741
Christian kingdoms did the same thing, especially Portugal