Why has sub-saharan africa never created any culture or civilization

>>2533286
>what is ancient egypt

>>2533291
>Why has SUB-SAHARAN africa never created any culture or civilization of great value?

>>2533295
You do realize half of Ancient Egypt and coincidentally the part with the most pyramids was under the Sahara right?

>what is egypt?

>>2533286

Neither has Finland.

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>>2533295
This is in Sub-Saharan Africa.

>>2533295
there were a few big kingdoms. in west and east africa.

but to answer your question:

Malaria/climate/animals.


read/watch Guns, Germs, and Steel, it explains most of these things without relying on /pol/tard logic.

>>2533309
>sub saharan
>in the sahara

you're talkin shit

Kanye Wests music has great personal value to me.

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>>2533325

It has produced culture and civilization. Whether they were or "great value" is subjective.

>>2533337
Which is exactly why "great" is put into these OPs, so when it gets disproved he can just go "nuh uh, not (my subjective personal definition of) great".

>>2533308
Finland currently has a fantastic civilization!

>>2533377
>liberal
>secular
>""""fantastic""""
wew.

>>2533318
"/pol/tard" logic exists because of the things expounded upon in that book. /pol/, and any scientific minded person, is racist because the differences are true, and those are due to the natural conditions explained by diamond.

>>2533387
I'll backtrack: it's not god tier. but the finnish people are a great people who kicked commie ass and produced Simo Hayha. Yeah, this might be ruined by the current and (possibly) upcoming events in europe, but finland is a nice country with nice culture.

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>>2533377
>Finland.
>civilization.

>>2533405
American?

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>>2533413

>>2533416
Of course

>>2533420

And...?

>>2533424
Wasn't so much the "kicked commie ass" that made it obvious, but the authoritative voice talking about something of which you only have the most shallow of meme knowledge.

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>>2533328

>>2533433
Socialist detected

>>2533433

He didn't stop Finland from becoming Sweden's cum dumpster.

>>2533328
>UN
They're fantastic at drawing lines that have nothing to do with anything.

>>2533630
why

>>2533635
why not?

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Plato was black

>>2533286
>Why has sub-saharan africa never created any culture or civilization of great value?
Kek.

Objectively define the worth of a civilizations culture. Go on. I shall be waiting.

hard to trade with people if you gotta cross a massive desert then go through rainforest with tropical diseases

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>>2533286
Actually op the Great Mud Mosque is pretty neato

>>2533783
Why does mud get shat on so much anyway? It really does meet the needs of a lot of sub saharan Africans.

>>2533776
>what are boats

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>>2533827
They are continuously refinishing it, sort of like the Golden Gate bridge.

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>>2533827
Its not the mud itself but the level of construction

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>>2533438

>>2533286
Give em a break, man. The human race isn't egalitarian. You have those who build great marble buildings and those who build mud huts and everything in between.

>>2533839
>what are raging cataracts, plateaus, and regular coastlines?

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>>2533853
I dunno, it's pretty aesthetic

>>2533286
Shit environment, no Neanderthal admixture, geographic isolation due to the Sahara and lack of trade removing any impetus for complex political structures and written language, etc

Low IQ is the EFFECT, not the cause.

Why do we have this thread every day?

>>2533873
why do people keep posting things in the sahara instead of things located below the saharan desert?

>>2533883
You forgot inbreeding that would make Saudi Arabia blush.

>>2533883
>geographic isolation due to the Sahara

The more I consider things the more I'm certain this was the largest barrier to growth that the sub-saharans had to deal with.

It kept them in a giant bubble.

>>2533286
>the great mud mosque
that actually looks pretty cool tho

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>Mali
>Ashanti
>Ghana
>Kongo

>>2533883
>no Neanderthal admixture
Aside from that fact that Neanderthals were dumber than humans, Africans actually do have admixture

http://www.nature.com/news/african-genes-tracked-back-1.13607

Keep up with the news

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Why do people seriously answer these threads?

>>2533893
>You forgot inbreeding that would make Saudi Arabia blush.

Nigga what?

>>2533883
>no Neanderthal admixture
this meme needs to die. There is no evidence that neanderthal mixture contributed anything substantial. Stormfags also forget that lots of ethnic groups have neanderthal mixture , not just whites.

>>2533870
Nile River has a point that past it is just plain cataracts so the extent of travelling the river is pretty limited based on where you are on the river and how far you can move stuff by boat.

>>2533969
It's one of those memes they have because they do poor research and never get challenged

Like the "Out-of-Africa-has-been-debunked" cranks

>>2533973
These guys don't grasp the geography of Africa. They think it's the garden of eden or something.

>>2533286
Because you can't tame zebras

>>2533913
>3k years ago to eastern africa
>roughly the time kush springs up
>second one going through around the time aksum springs up
>time period and location end around the time zimbabwe empire springs up
That timing is somewhat amusing in context

>>2534022
Fuck off jared diamond.

>>2533910
>A white man had to create that picture because niggers are too stupid to do it themselves
Great "civilization" you got there

>>2534629
Does that simple fact somehow negate their status as a civilization?

Can we just start banning these threads? There's never any meaningful discussion

>>2534640
guess that means we should remove all of /his/ then.

>>2533983
It's like geography is sorely a undertaught subject inn school.

People wouldn't ask "why didn't the Irish just fish during the famine" if people knew about Ireland's lack of natural harbours AND under developed fishing industry.

>>2533300
Fuck that is so retarded it genuinely hurts

>>2533300
>>2533309
>>2533328
The concentration of retardation in this thread is too damn high

>>2533869
No shit, the question is what causes the spectrum. If you think it's just pure chance then I can take a wild guess where you find yourself on it.

>>2534835
Egypt did have contact with It's Southern neighbours a lot and quite often.

>>2534843
racial differences are only bone marrow deep.

>>2533286
The Yoruba were highly civilized. Look at the city of Ilé-Ifé.

>>2533827
because they live in a climate where mud is unusable and think everyone else does too.
Can certain types of mud be fired solid, so it doesn't melt?

>>2533961
Because it's fun to learn about africa, even if /pol/ keeps shitting on it.

>>2536813
Its cruel
I can't imagine myself if I were an African and looking at this board, its just too harsh

>>2533405
>muh simo

>>2533318
lol'd thanks

>>2533286
They did, and you posted one of them. If anything, you mean the central part of Africa which is just plain jungle people.

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HOL UP

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>>2536870
If you were an african you wouldn't be able to look at this board.

>>2537008
Are you forgetting the rest of Scandinavia? Those people did something.

>>2536790
I'm not sure, but the tropical areas did employ wattle and Daub to compensate for the moisture in the region.

>>2537008
>dense jungles improper for civilization
>sparsely populated as well
>dangerous predatory animals
>less easily domesticable animals
>shitton of deadly diseases like malaria
>completely isolated from the rest of the world

Yeah, real comfortable.

>>2533309
I;'m guessing the Sahara was not there when all those mega-structures were being built, but whatevs.

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>>2533318
>read/watch Guns, Germs, and Steel, it explains most of these things without relying on /pol/tard logic.

/pol/ hates the book for a priori reasons.

I hate it because it is obvious nonsense. Bad arguments made against bad racist arguments are not magically good arguments.

>>2534640
No need. Report the racist /pool/posts en masse, then do not respond to them. debate posters who leave bigotry pout of it.

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>>2534754
>if people knew about Ireland's lack of natural harbours AND under developed fishing industry.

An underdeveloped fishing industry would not be a good answer for why a fishing industry did not develop.

Can you explain to me about the lack of good harbors? The coast seems crawling with good natural nooks and crannies, but perhaps there is some feature not shown on the map that makes them unsuitable. I am not a student of Irish history but am curious now.

>>2533291
lol, you're fucking retarded, man.

>>2537616

Eskimos did too compared to Africans. Eskimo technology was incredibly sophisticated and innovative compared to negroid innovations such as the stick.

>>2533395
> Diamond
McNeill did it better tough, because the Continental axes theory of Diamon is full of holes. and lacks the ability of agency of peoples.

>>2537008
Black Africa was sparsely populated

>>2534754

It had a lot more to do with the fact that Ireland was a net exporter of food, and the absentee landlords in London exported all the food despite the famine, because prices would always be higher elsewhere. Simple economics. Potatoes were considered so worthless that they were the only food staple the Irish could actually afford. There's also a very natural reason the British wouldn't invest in Irish fishing, because it would compete with their own fishing industry.

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>>2537745
Eskimos independently invented iron and farmed? Eskimo raised livestock and organized beyond the tribal level?

>>2537779

They survived in a climate Astronauts train in to prepare for mars. Africans lived in the native habitat of primates. The two do not compare.

Try a Dwarf Fortress glacier embark if you still think fuckin glaciers are easy living.

>>2537779

Negroids didn't invent iron or farming.
Despite adopting useful technology from Eurasia, they never managed to improve it or create their own.

>>2537791
Lad

They killed animals...and wore their skins

Not rocket science

>>2537797
WRONG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture

>Iron use, in smelting and forging for tools, appears in Nok culture by at least 550 BCE and possibly earlier. Data from historical linguistics suggest that iron smelting was independently discovered in the region prior to 1000 BCE.[2][3] Scientific field work began in 2005 to systematically investigate Nok archaeological sites, and to better understand Nok terracotta sculptures within their Iron Age archaeological context.[

>>2537797
Dude, it's common knowledge that Niger-Congo speakers independently invented iron in the region between Niger and Nigeria. They farmed millet, rice, sorghum, and other dry crops. The introduction of yams, bananas, and other wet crops are what sparked the Bantu expansion from Cameroon.

>>2537799

But when that animal is your sole source of food and materials, and you have to reuse everything instead of picking up shit off the ground. They didn't even have wood for fires.

If you can't understand the difference between living in a continent that literally provides everything humans need to survive on a silver fucking platter, and living in a place with ice, nothing but ice, undrinkable water, subzero temperatures, and entirely dependent on hunting and fishing to survive, then you're some kind of next level retard woke shaq Kyrie Irving style mofo who can't tell his head from his ass and thinks the world is flat.

>>2537803
>>2537815

They learned everything from Eurasians. SSA wasn't isolated.

>>2533286
Same thread every fucking day! Mods need to curb this

>>2537823
repeat that again

>>2537832

Black supremacists live in their own little fantasy world where advanced civilizations of Eurasia never influenced primitive Africa.

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>>2537823
It says it was invented independently in the article. Do you have any other sources saying otherwise?

>>2537823
There's no evidence for that. The consensus is that iron was an independent discovery. Dryland agriculture was introduced by middle eastern cultures however.

>>2537839

>Data from historical linguistics suggests

>historical
>linguistics

Are you serious with this shit?
Africans don't randomly invent iron and even if they somehow did, it was Eurasians who taught them metallurgy in the first place.

>>2533827
Because animals like wasps and beavers can build with mud. Humans generally use things sturdier.

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>>2537838
>If you think sub-saharan africans had the capacity to use iton for tools then you're a black supremacist
>There is no middle ground between being a caveman and being an astronaut

>>2537848
Nice source.

>>2537821
While true that conditions weren't as bad, you're forgetting the stuff >>2537629 said. And they still had iron smelting/agriculture.

>>2537838
Nonsense. There is no genetic or recorded historical evidence that suggests Eurasians influenced blacks before Christ. The desertification of the Saharan made it near impossible to cross reasonably.

>>2537848
>they don't because i say so
ok lad

>>2537858

Fake fucking news.
Entire tribes in northern Cameroon and Chad descend from Eurasian men who went down to Africa to teach blacks the basics of civilizations.

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(16)30448-7

>>2537848
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=3432&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

>But the facts speak for themselves. Tests on material excavated since the 1980s show that iron was worked at least as long ago as 1500 BC at Termit, in eastern Niger, while iron did not appear in Tunisia or Nubia before the 6th century BC. At Egaro, west of Termit, material has been dated earlier than 2500 BC, which makes African metalworking contemporary with that of the Middle East.

>>2537867
>Chad and Cameroon
>Nok culture was in Nigeria

>>2537860

>my very obscure historical linguistics evidence totally suggests black people were super duper advanced t. prof kumbaya

>>2537883

They taught the blacks nearby in Nigeria.

>>2533286
This might have already been mentioned, but I figure I'll have a crack at this as well.

Sub-Saharan African cultures never developed advanced civilizations (compared to those of even North Africa) because the region's climate is particularly harsh. Large-scale farming isn't possible in the desert to the extent that it's possible in more temperate climates. There are also few beasts of burden native to the area.

As such, when you need to dedicate most of your society's efforts to simply surviving in your geographic environment, it's tough to find the time to work on developing technology and the like.

>>2537891
>everyone who disagrees with me is a black supremacist
Do you have a complex?

>>2537891
>being this buttdevasted over blacks having any elements resembling civilization

/pol/ is bad for your brain. Open a book.

>>2537858

You realize that nothing short of nuclear fusion will create iron when your only starting products are ice, fish, and polar bear. Oh wait, you don't, that's why I have to tell you. Besides, iron in the ice cap is about as useful as firearms on the moon.

>thinks finding surface metals takes skill, as opposed to luck

>you're forgetting the stuff
You're forgetting that all that is our home fuckin habitat. The amount of evolution needed to live there is zero, because that's where we are from. Oh BTW, if you quote a post, you had best be prepared to substantiate it in its entirety.


>dense jungles improper for civilization
these jungles provide the antibiotics needed for modern medicine
>sparsely populated as well
depends on the region
>dangerous predatory animals
Walrus may look cute, but they will still kill the shit out of you.
>less easily domesticable animals
Less easy than the arctic?
>shitton of deadly diseases like malaria
You know the Romans lived in swampy areas and suffered from malaria since the beginning, but of course you wouldn't know that
>completely isolated from the rest of the world
absolutely false

>>2537905

They had a civilization, sure. They borrowed the basic concepts from Eurasia.

I'm not taking it away from them I'm just saying it's unknown whether they started using iron by themselves or if it was just another Eurasian tech they imported.
Black supremacists reject the latter possibility on racial grounds.

>>2537919
Even if they were influenced by Eurasians (which I doubt) you still have to give credit to them developing iron smelting before most of Europe.

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>>2537891
>This much denial

>>2537956

Europe was still more advanced in every other way and the great divergence would continue to steadily grow until Africa was a bacteria compared to an elephant.

>>2537867
There are numerous articles that state that Iron making was developed independently in SSA. One article isn't going to change that.

>>2537911
Are you kidding? From the tse tse fly to yellow fever to shit crops, Africa was a damnable place to live. And yes, it was isolated save for the Horn of Africa.

>>2537992
>Africa was a damnable place to live
I don't even know what you are arguing for Africa anymore since you just pulled one out of the Heart of Darkness mythology.

>>2537647
do you have a better alternative to GGS?

>>2537992
I recall reading a log by a Portuguese merchant who observed native africans spazzing out and avoiding puddles at all costs. The crew mocked them by jumping around barefoot in the puddles.

Not along after, they realized they'd been infected with horrifying parasites growing through their bodies.

White man's grave indeed.

>>2537992

You're a fucking joker or seriously out of touch.

Africa wasn't a bad place to live at all. Plenty of nice parts there too.
They just weren't interested in much else than spear warfare.

>>2538038
>They just weren't interested in much else than spear warfare.
[citation needed]

>>2538019
I'm arguing that Africa was/is a dangerous place.

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>>2533286
>Why has Africa never ...

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>>2538038
>Africa wasn't a bad place to live at all

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderpest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890s_African_rinderpest_epizootic

>It killed more than 5.2 million cattle south of the Zambezi, as well as domestic oxen, sheep, and goats, and wild populations of buffalo, giraffe, and wildebeest. This led to starvation resulting in the death of an estimated third of the human population of Ethiopia and two-thirds of the Maasai people of Tanzania.

Such paradise

>>2538045

>an entire continent was nigh uninhabitable but today thanks to european technology over a billion people live there with 150 million in nigeria

Brilliant.
Matter of fact is that West Africa had relatively high populations before before Europeans showed up.

>>2538085
West Africa yes, followed by the relatively fertile (by African standards Great Rift region.

Central and Southern Africa were Central Asia tier populated until the arrival of crops like corn and cassava.

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>>2538036
So Portuguese being dumb isn't just a Brazilian meme after all.

>>2538053

But if you actually go to Africa, you will find smiling, happy people. You fucking racist.

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>>2538122
That...depends

We're generally life affirming people. For all the bullshit life throws at us, the world is still a beautiful place. Eurasians are all about escaping the earth to go to metaphysical paradise. African religions are about reincarnation back to earth so we can feel the warmth of the sun again.

Besides that, people from the rainforest are generally more chipper than people from the savanna. Like jovial Mediterranean Europeans vs autistic Northern Europeans.

>>2538115

But if they experienced population growth, Africa couldn't have been such an awful place as you make it out to be.

>>2538165
>>2538165

All that conflicts with the previous posts that deny the bounty nature has given you. Africa did not need to produce civilization, it produced humanity, and incidentally a few civilizations along with it. But to say that these diseases make the land almost uninhabitable is nonsense, it's a product of the modern lifestyle which has forgotten the daily drum beat of death that every society until the 20th century faced.

Africa is the cradle of life. Death is necessary for life to exist. If we were all immortal, the planet would be full. No one would or could reproduce. A species that does not reproduce goes extinct. Death is the life giver. Africa is the land of death. Africa is the land of life.

>>2538178
After the introduction of new world staple crops. Yams, millet, and bananas supported village life in the african tropics. Corn, cassava, and other new world crops allowed populations to boom.

>>2538196

Wow, so deep.

>>2533883
This does not explain why the niggers in North Africa didnt develop civilizations while the sandniggers did.

>>2538217
Do you have examples of North African blacks not developing civilizations?

>>2538196
Gonna hit you with a flat "no". Pestilence and famine were common, like the rest of the world. Especially before foreign crops. All those vast herds you see on Animal Planet? They're a meme. It was only after the east african populations were killed off by disease and game reserves were founded that the wild beasts were free to bring back their populations.

>>2538081
Fun fact the vast majority of african epidemics are actually caused by nigger stupidity.

>>2538228
>Africans now have the power to cause cattle plagues

>>2538222

Life was hard for Europeans as well but apparently you don't care about those hardships. I think you're a racist.

>Ctrl+F
>No mention of Ethiopia
You disappoint me /his/.

>>2538234
All the morrocans in my town just leech welfare and attack white girls.

Anyway, Ghana/Mali/Songhai existed for Arab contact. They were city states initially before expanding to conquer the surrounding territories. Arab major influence existed beginning around the crusades.

Funny that you mention, black africans were known to take arabs as slaves as well.

>>2538257
Moroccans are sandniggers yes but they are not niggers.

Those Ghana city states were absolute shitholes.

>>2538252
>has an IQ in the low 60s

Yh the humans the built that civilzation clearly were not niggers. The niggers in Ethiopia are invaders from West Africa.

>>2538243
Bruh, I'm just saying

This "waaah, I had it HARDER contest is silly".
>>2538250
>Who gives a shit about east africa?
People who don't use nigger like a preposition

East Africans are by and large descended from Western Africa. You see, a macro-ethnic group called the Bantu from Cameroon journeyed to eastern and Southern Africa.

Feral implies that we lived in a wild state. Admittedly, there were certainly barbaric tribes much like Europe as Asia. But about 1/3 of sub saharans lived in autonomous villages content with farming and herding. Chief and elders run things, women do most of the planting/gardening and housework like weaving, menfolk clear the land/hunt/fish/herd, and children tended smaller chores like fetching water and scaring off pests. Everyone was divided into different age-sets and initiated at different times. On market day the local people traded.

>>2538273
>invaders
[citation needed]
They may not be as "black" as their neighbors but they're still Sub-Saharan

Another theory is that the name Αἰθιοπία (from Αἰθίοψ, Aithiops, 'an Ethiopian') is a compound word, derived from the two Greek words, from αἴθω + ὤψ (aitho "I burn" + ops "face").

>>2538268
How? They weren't any worse than the Oppida of the Celts or the citiess of the contemporary Arabs.

"The city of Ghāna consists of two towns situated on a plain. One of these towns, which is inhabited by Muslims, is large and possesses twelve mosques, in one of which they assemble for Friday prayer. ... In the environs are wells with sweet water, from which they drink and with which they grow vegetables. The king's town is six miles distant from this one and bears the name of Al-Ghāba. Between these two towns are continuous habitations. The houses of the inhabitants are of stone and acacia wood. The king has a palace and a number of domed dwellings all surrounded with an enclosure like a city wall. In the king's town, and not far from his courts of justice, is a mosque where Muslims who arrive in his court pray. Around the king's town are domed buildings and groves and thickets where the sorcerers of these people, men in charge of the religious cult, live."

-Al-Bakri

>>2538273
I dunno

Most Ethiopians I went to uni with identified as black

It's mostly elderly people desperate to be accepted by whites who say otherwise

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>>2538273
Richard Lynn is a fucking bullshitter, /pol/turd. He has been found to fabricate data on the spot and his studies vary way too much to take them seriously.

Ethiopia is proof that environment does play a very strong role on ability to develop a proper civilization. They had a civilization with agriculture, monarchy, written language, sophisticated architecture, metallurgy, trade routes covering whole Asia, etc since 800 BC, yet they're shittier than a lot of pure Negroid countries today.

>>2538370
It's hilarious to visit Kenya and watch Somalis & Ethiopians trying to talk shit to Nilotes & Bantu, but in the same breath demand welfare and ease of immigration from "those blacks".

Coming from a literal starving war torn "caucasian" shithole.

>>2533291
>what is reading comprehension

>>2536870
i'm half African, does that count?

>>2538383
Then again, in East Africa today, it is generally accepted that Kenya is The Best.

>>2533286
Pushkin was black.

>>2533377
>>2533405
>>2533420
>>2533440
stop posting here forever please

>>2538383
Somalis are doing pretty decentbin Kenya though. It's not like the northern frontier wanted to be a part if Kenya same as how south Sudan got put with Sudan.

>>2539562
Well the ones not in refugee camps.

>>2538383
>in the same breath demand welfare

Majority of Africa doesn't even have welfare or one worthy to note. Funnily enough many countries still have the autistic need to ape old education systems not suited for their Nation's demographics and/ordated as fuck or have shit funding yet STILL demand school uniforms be a thing.

A lot of things can be chalked up to autism or "we don't have the tax base/money"

>>2539570
They should probably stop having kids they can't afford.

But no, their birth rates rise while those of the West fall.

This world needs a culling.

>>2539573
Edgy.

>>2539596
Please go back to pol and stay there

You are so cringe

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>>2539596
and they wonder why everybody hates /pol/!

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>>2539603
your naziphobia is a serious microaggression towards my political identity. check ur privilege

>>2539596
Most people are just laughing because you actually think that people care about your political views.

If anyone here wanted to know what 15 years olds thing about politics, we'd be on reddit.

>>2539613
Haha oh sweetie I'm more of a stromfag than you will ever be. But I also know how to play the long game. It takes subtlety anon.

You're just cringe. So very cringe.

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>>2539619
lolwhat

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>>2539623
they dont call me autistic without reason

>>2539626
No one said that tho...

See you're just shotgunning racist concepts without context.

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>>2539634
so?

>>2539637
"his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected. History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character."
somebody please ban this retard

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What happened to Yoruba people, why did they stoped making jewelry?

>>2539660
>somebody please ban this retard
Speaking of which, could somebody clear this up for me?

Are the mods actually paid employees, volunteers, or something else? If they are paid then we need to wonder just what the shit they do throughout the workday cause it certainly isn't their job.

>>2539729
Get this hothead out of here

>>2539573
birth rates are high because when you're poor more children = more production.

Birth rates are declining if your country has switched to a service economy. If your country mainly manufactures or farms or individual households make everything themselves the birth rate goes up. It has nothing to do with race, before the industrial age it wasn't uncommon for Europeans to have large families. China had to setup the one child policy because Chinese families were so large up until recently. India still has a large average family size even as its economy grows.

In some situations it's actually more advantageous to have more kids.

>>2539711
With the decline of royal powers, yoruba artisans lost their patrons

Yorubas: Braggarts, schemers, materialistic, two faced, and a hug is enough to make them orgasm.

Hausas & Fulani: Pretentious as fuck, religious fanatics, women are very shy/cute/kind but extremely perverted/kinky, men have GIGANTIC cocks; like fucking third legs, hausa guys are all fucking closeted homos and love little boys. They have no ambitions, no ideals, and love spending money/gambling. At any Nigerian company there's at least one affirmative action hired Hausa "C-Christians keepin' us down mufugga".

Delta tribes: Wannabe badasses, think they're soooo cool despite being bigger hillbillies than the fuckers from the mountains. Fun to hear them talk about their red(black?)neck adventures. Charming and hospitable people nonetheless.

Igbos: Hardworking, studious, won't let their daughters date until they're 40 and married already, won't consider you human without a bachelor's degree, very loyal to their chosen lover/spouse, extremely high bride price, will slice your throat if you insult the Glorious Igbo Tribe (tm). Very calculating and keikaku oriented. Mama's boys supreme. Think eating out a woman is immoral.

Edo people: Internet scam artists (Hi I'm prince Mamadu from the kingdom of bullshit...), superstitious as fuck, dangerous, criminals, will do ANYTHING for money including murder. Of all the cultures to degenerate, hmm.

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>>2539788
Neat

Tell us more

>>2533883
Another effect of it might be the fact that all the complex cultures that did exist in Africa have been pestered and subject to proxy wars by Europeans since the 14th century. Some examples of African civilizations are the Swahili culture and stone architecture at Zanzibar in Tanzania, Mansa Musas Timbuktu in Mali, the Yoruba cities with their advanced tribal structures in Ghana and Nigeria, Haile Selassie one of the most venerated figures in Rastafarianism and the last emperor of the first Christian state in Africa Abyssinia aka modern Ethiopia, etc etc etc are all subsaharan African civilizations.

>>2533695
Many of the Greel sages likes Thales, Pythagoras, etc studied in Egypt and othet Egyptian priests then they shared their knowledge to their students. There would have been no modern philosophy or advanced mathematics like algenra without them. Sadly the Africans never wrote their shit down, so we do not know a lot about them, but they build the astronomical structure at the Napta playa which shows a culture more advanced in astronomy than the rest of the world as it even predates Stonehenge by a millenium. There's also this thing with the Dogontribe who have knowledge about Sirius they shouldn't have. So they weren't DNB's at the very least.

>>2533883
The lack of trade and isolation most likely started when the Hyksos occupied Egypt (in 1600BCE) which was famous for selling African gold. So famous that even the Sumerian tablets told about it and so famous that everybody wanted control of Egypt. The loss of this port and fending off the Semitic invasions probably collapsef Africa, because one can't trade amongst himself and expect to get rich.

>>2539795
Yorubas like scaring their children by saying ugly Hausa men made of straw and mud will get them if they're bad.

Hausas say Yorubas smell bad and shit in their living rooms.

Yorubas are stereotyped as being tactless and rude in conversation with foreigners, but excessively polite among themselves. Spend up to a minute with greetings and pleasantries.

Yoruba Muslims aren't considered "real" muslims by the Hausa because Yoruba paganism is still going strong as their 3rd biggest religion.

Igbos call the Hausa-Fulani "Ewu-sa" and "Fool-ani": basically implying Hausas are goats and Fulanis are idiots.

Hausas like joking that Igbos aren't humans. "OK, I counted 9 people and 1 Igbo...chee chee chee!!".

Igbos are considered lighter skinned in average. Yorubas are seen as more "study study study" while Igbos are seen as more like "business business business". They also say Yorubas are obsessed with parties and dancing. And Yorubas are loud as fuck.

Igbos are stereotyped by Yorubas as rude, greedy, clannish, cannibalistic, politically aggressive, and make shitty food.

Yoruba guys love talking shit and running like cowards when their challenges are accepted.

Hausas and Fulani are morons who love chewing kola nuts. And all the police officers/security guards are corrupt Hausa-Fulanis.

Igbos can't be trusted in business, they love screwing their partners.

Warri/Benin/Edo people are born with at least 10 misdemeanors and a crowbar. Clutch your bag and hide your valuables if you have to deal with them. They're scared shitless of magic though. One time the high wizard of the Oba placed a "curse" on all thieves and the rate of robberies/thefts fell 80% for months.

Calabari people are excellent cooks, attractive, high libido, and end up being the fucktoys-erm "butlers/maids" of wealthy men and women.

Ekiti people are all teachers and professors.

Anambra women are ball busting thundercunts who boss around their husbands, but are loyal as fuck.

>>2539874
I'm going to need to see some pictures of these Calabari

>>2537879
The Egyptians started started using iron afyer being conquered by the Hyksos in 1600BCE, this is also led them to use the chariot in battle. SOo Nubia would not have been much later. The rest of Africa started the ironage as one of ghe earliest civilizations

>>2533286
Were there any buildings of that size in Scandinavia at the time?

>>2534640
Scared people are realising the truth, hey?

>>2534640
>Can we just start banning these threads? There's never any meaningful discussion
Pusseyyyy

>>2536870
Reddit might be more your speed, faggot

>>2533286
lack of competition from more advanced neighbours
land is easy to live off

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>>2540218
The one in the OP (Great Mosque of Djenné) was completed in 1907, so yes.
The first mosque there may have been built in the 13th century and by that time Scandinavia had many cities with stone castles, forts, churches.

>>2533420
>posts a autist with a busted face.

>>2540525
No it's not

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>>2539874
>>2539788
>on deployment in Chad
>Fulaniggers start shooting at us
>two of them die pretty fast
>shooting stops
>their chief or captain or whatever comes to apologise
>"wtf man"
>"we thought you had cattle and we wanted to steal it"
>our collective face when

>>2539874
So nigger are these groupings based on genetic differences or just ethnicities?

>>2540725
you don't need heating and you can make buildings out of more malleable materials

>>2533318
Fuck off Jared Diamond.

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>>2540734
...this is why we say the cows are the ones who herd the Fulani. It's a fucking miracle they can even read the Quran. Yokels of the worst kind.

>>2540744
At night? Yeah you do, almost it's freezing in many places. And the afternoon is utterly scorching in the dry season.

>>2533286
Stop it with this meme

>>2540785
Stop replying

>>2540773
and in other countries you need heating all the time
> you can make buildings out of more malleable materials
this point still stands
>And the afternoon is utterly scorching in the dry season.
so you work in the shade/' have a siesta

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>>2533286
Europe would be primitive too without ME influence

>>2533286
basicly being caught within your community due to climate making travels to other regions pretty hard.
Concurrence for water and hunting grounds between the tribes.

That, and the layout of the coastlines did not allow for nearly as efficient and quick exchange and developement of knowledge like the mediterran sector.
Egypt, for example, was better off because they had the nile and shit to supply them with water and fertile soils.

of course genetics play a role, but you must take into consideration that bigger brains require more energy and proteins to sustain, and the environmental heat requiring a better cooling system which also adds up with the heat generated by strong brain activity.

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>>2538120
>So Portuguese being dumb isn't just a Brazilian meme after all.

The Brazilians talk shit about the Portuguese? I mean, I understand why they would, I just find it amusing.

>>2533783
It would be impressive if the West hadn't been building cathedrals around the same time. Of course that's only if you go by the construction of the initial structure (13th century), because the current building is actually from 1907, which makes the whole thing fucking laughable.

>>2538222

I'm the guy you replied to, my question is how exactly do you expect to contradict my essential tl;dr of people dying is good for the environment, with "people dying is good for the environment?"

>>2538228
>>2538239

>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/18/missing-health-workers-in-guinea-were-educating-villagers-about-ebola-when-they-were-attacked/

>>2537699
I'm not an expert in any way but isn't Ireland known for being cliffs galore? That would be why there's very few natural harbors, because most of the coast is just 100 feet cliffs.

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>>2538025
I think there is no explanation needed. Progress was not universally at the same rate all over the world -- why would you expect it to be?

But my eyes are sharp enough to spot nonsense when I see it.

>>2541779
Kinda

>>2537992
>shit crops
All the fancy cereal grains that sustain large civilizations started out as fucking nigh-inedible grass. It took thousands and thousands of years to make crops not shit.

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>>2533291
I know this thread is already 200 replies deep but man did you really deliver for first post.

>>2539771
How is it more advantageous, for the individual, to have more kids?
How can you argue that what isn't good for the individual is good for society?

I'm not claiming you're wrong, but I was always of the belief that having more children, when you can barely stay afloat as is, is an inexcusable mistake.

>>2543344
Because having to start over from scratch if you only give birth to one kid is a massive setback.

You can have 1-2 kids if the threat of instability is gone because no shit is gonna claim their lives.

>>2543360
Look at the child mortality rate and how in the past having 5 kids 3 can die due to disease.

>>2540739
Edgy.

>>2536870
Im actually Nigerian and its still interesting. Just because some people are bigots doesnt mean that I should give them power over me by getting bothered by their opinions.

>>2533286
Because of Jared Diamond.

>>2540799
>so you work in the shade/' have a siesta

When it last a fucking long time it tends to fuck up your workable periods and potentially crops.

>you can make buildings out of more malleable materials

Which has its own flaws as well. Less permanent structure, needs mire repairs, prone to decay. When stone was viable due to it being available and they had the labour force it was used.

For you heat part in those cold areas you had a fire to help you out and heavy clothing as well as well insulated buildings for the time. In many parts of Africa the night is cold as hell like many parts of the world especially in deserts contrary to popular thought.

>>2543366
exactly its better to have 2/5 live than 0/1
plus those kids who do survive can help you
plow the fields, herd goats, make pots, or whatever.
Then if you get old your kids can support you.

>>2543418
You have better things to do though.

>>2539788
holy fuck my family is igbo and this is extraordinarily accurate

>>2539874
I see there is a fellow Nigerian on this thread. This pleases me

>>2536870
You sound like a total faggot pussy.

>>2543475
>closes 4chan

>>2540735
How the hell should I know? Is there a genetic reason Scots are considered stingy fucks?

>>2533827
because they're le niggers le XDD le niggity nigggers le can't into le glorious European civilization XDD!!!

>>2533883
IQ is a fucking meme.

the mud mosque is pretty impressive when you consider how small these settlements were

>>2544343
niggers gonna nig

>>2537815
Shhh...
Remember, they're le ebin niggers and le nigger niggity nig nog nigger is le nigger XD!

>>2533286
>of value
Lol

>created value
LMAO

>>2544349
Except do you're really smart. Then, it's accuracy

>>2544349
>le IQ is a meme meme