At what period would you say we had surpassed Greco-Roman architecture?

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In 537 AD.

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Everything before the Crystal Palace in 1851 was just an imitation of Greco-Roman architecture, not anything fundamentally new.

>>2526905
That's literally Greco-Roman

>American who never built anything in his life asks when "we" surpassed Roman architecture

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>>2526905
>implying this doesn't look like trash compared to the pantheon and other Greek/Roman temples

It literally looks like a factory.

>>2526936
>It literally looks like a factory.
I blame the T*rks.

>we

9th century Ireland

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>>2526973
pic related

>>2526936
>A cross on an Egyptian obelisk near a pagan temple
2meta4me

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>>2526984
Do you really think that crude looking shit compares to the Lighthouse of Alexandria?

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>surpassed
>implying

Even Carolingian (so basically Byzantine) architecture was already superior to Greco-Roman.

By the 12th century we had created the Gothic style, which is pretty much the high point of all architecture ever.

>>2527002
Hah, that's kind of crazy. Looks even more surreal with modern people around, essentially atheists.

>>2526984
that's cool. i've never seen a castle in my life (none where i live). i really wanna visit Ireland.

>>2527080
America?

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>>2527066
>the 12th century we had created the Gothic style, which is pretty much the high point of all architecture ever.
>Italians literally called Gothic buildings "ugly makeshifts"

t. snownigger

Also, most of the pre-11th century architecture you saw are memes. Most of the structure of the current structure of Aachen's cathedral in Germany doesn't date from Charlemagne's time for example. Pic related is what mid middle ages architecture actually looked like.

>>2527095
>most of the current structure of Aachen's cathedral in Germany doesn't date from Charlemagne's time

Fix'd.

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>>2526893

gothic

superior in structural design and aesthetics

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That's a matter of personal taste. You may like Greek temples or timber-frame structures better, it doesn't matter. From a structural point of view, certain Gothic naves surpassed the Roman structures in terms of height and width.

>>2527095
You only proved that Renaissance Italians were retarded butthurt faggots.

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>>2527124
I can't blame them. Traditional Gothic architecture can indeed look too grim, too pointy and too messy at times.

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>>2526893
>At what period would you say we had surpassed Greco-Roman architecture?
Whenever this got made

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>>2527133

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>>2527129
picture on the right only looks that way because they haven't washed it in hundreds of years, you dummy

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>>2527129
>Traditional Gothic architecture can indeed look too grim

they are now having been unpainted for ages and with tons of soot

>Gothic
Everything is so rigid, sharp, and bony. Looks like death.

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>>2527129
You seriously just posted as an example of "Traditional Gothic architecture" a cathedral built in the 19th century next to a train station in Germany and never cleaned since.

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Gothic is the white man's architecture of choice.

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>>2527152
Better pic

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>>2526916
>fundamentally new
>implying architectural styles can exist in a vacuum
No. Even early Greek architecture was heavily influenced by Egyptian archetypes.

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Gothic is objectively the high point of architecture. It certainly shits all over Greco-Roman, and almost as much on Renaissance.

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>>2527152
>Notre Dame
>not heavily altered by Viollet-le-Duc

The best architecture was the result of French style and German engineering

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>>2527133
Why is everything German so crap?

>>2527167
Looks like absolute shit.

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>>2527167
>Gothic is objectively the high point of architecture

Baroque is.

>and almost as much on Renaissance.

No. Pic related is better than any meme Gothic cathedral.

>>2527005
Does Hellenistic count as Greco-Roman or is its own thing?

>>2527168
It was restored by Violet-le-Duc, as you can tell from the picture someone just posted it already looked the same before. The only major alteration he made was adding a much larger spire, which frankly isn't an improvement.

Strasbourg looks like shit, that whole Rhine Gothic is far too busy and lacks a proper sense of aesthetics.

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>>2527170
lmao nice proportions

>>2526947
>wuz

>>2527180
Looks like shit. Gothic expresses pure force and energy, space and light and reaching for infinity. You posted some confused crypto-Muslim wannabe Greek shit that expresses nothing but mediocrity and lack of any creative impulse.

>>2527194
Yes, the proportions are one of the things that make it so great you utter pleb.

>>2527184
>does Greek architecture built by Greeks in Greek-controlled Egypt count as Greek?

>>2527199
>putting no rhyme or reason into the proportions is what makes it great
Talk about pleb, holy shit.

>>2527196
Traditional Gothic is a bunch of messy looking pointy shit. It has no class, no charm. Only edgy fedoras prefer it over anything else.

>>2527196
Put down the Spengler book, dude.

>>2527204
Are you retarded? Do you seriously not see how the elongation of statues fits with the shape of Gothic cathedrals?

No wonder an unimaginative pleb like you with no sense of aesthetics prefers the most uninspired style possible.

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Greco-Roman > the Renaissance > Baroque > Modern > Postmodern > Mudhuts > Teepees > A bathtub full of feces > Gothic

>>2527208
t. proddy with a cuckshed as a church

>>2527208
>literal fedora shitting on the truest Western Christian style
>calling anyone a fedora

>>2527208
>pointy things scare me! I need my architecture to be soft and feminine and non-triggering so I don't feel threatened in my safe space

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this ugly shit is the logical conclusion of gothic architecture

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>>2527237
>not liking barbarian snownigger garbage makes me a fedora

Top kek.

Even Byzantine architecture is better than Gothic.

>>2527251
That has nothing to do with Gothic whatsoever.

>>2527228
Ugly statue blends well with ugly building, no surprise there.
Speaking of uninspired, shoving a statue against the structure of the wall is far less imaginative than actually using the statue as a column itself.

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>this confuses and enrages the fedora

>>2527258
That looks like some kind of shitty circus attraction, holy fuck what a disgusting mess.

>France is snownigger now
lmao

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>>2527294
I unno, the facade looks pretty good to me. At least it's not full of unnecessary arches, spikes and pointy towers that make the building look like an ugly mess.

>>2527259
>neo-gothic architecture has nothing to do with Gothic whatsoever

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>>2527313
>unnecessary

>>2527293
Why? did God build that?

>>2527318
>muh meme flying buttresses

UGLY MAKESHIFTS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Cathedral

>Italian architects regarded Gothic flying buttresses as ugly makeshifts. Furthermore, the use of buttresses was forbidden in Florence, as the style was favored by central Italy's traditional enemies to the north.

>>2527313
But it literally is, except unlike Gothic cathedrals where everything follows a sense of direction and coherence, this looks like someone just randomly threw together a bunch of incompatible architectural motives. How the fuck can you call Gothic a "mess" while posting this, it looks like it was randomly generated by a very bad AI.

I'm guessing you're some kind of Arab and that's why this garish Middle Eastern shit looks good to you.

>>2527146
I like the left more

>>2527316
That's not Neo-Gothic you dumbass.

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>>2527313
>dude COLUMNS LMAO

>>2527330
>Italians were retards with no taste and incredibly butthurt at France

I think you've established that already.

>>2526984
Is that supposed to be impressive?

Even some Nuraghi are more impressing than this shit and they were made 3000 years before that

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>>2526893
Not until Communism

>>2527334
then you have shit taste, objectively

>>2527337
>butthurt at France
Actually the Gothic style was considere the "maniera tedesca" - the German style

>>2527330
>we wont adopt this innovation because smelly baguettes invented it

typical italians

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>>2527330
Does that dome even have a function?

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>>2527337
Or maybe the French always had shit taste in art since they invented modern """"art"""" as well.

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>>2527293
Flying buttresses are fucking ugly

>>2527352
No it wasn't you idiot, where do you even get this shit? It was literally called "Opus Francigenum" (French work). What the fuck would it have to do with Germany?

>>2527365
you dont understand art

>>2527365
The French invented almost every Western art style.

>>2527184
Are you retarded or just stupid?

>>2527377
Neither do the French

>>2527365
>posting a piece of prank art
>hahaha the french are shit

>>2527373
Because at the time Northern Italy along with Tuscany Iwas part of the Holy Roman Empire and the cultural exchange between the North and the Southern part of the empire very strong. The Gothic style arrived Italy via craftsmen from Germany.

>>2527378
This thread is proof that Frenchboos are as cancerous if not more than Wehraboos

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>>2527405
Yes, the aesthetic difference manifested itself even in armors. White Italian armor looked much better than German Gothic armor. Emperor Maximilian realized this and made a new version that was just the Italian armor with Gothic fluting added to it.

>>2527417
Major French styles:
- Romanesque
- Gothic
- secular Baroque
- Classicism
- Rococo
- Neoclassicism
- Realism
- Academic
- Impressionism
- Symbolism
- Art Nouveau
- Art Deco
- Surrealism
- Expressionism
- Modernism

Major non-French styles:
- Renaissance
- religious Baroque
- Romanticism (although ended up mostly French)
- Pop Art

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>>2527453
Looks like Gothic armor shared the excessive pointyness feature of it's architectural counterpart.

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>>2527475
Maximilian now, the evolution of both styles combined. Only the fluting of Gothic was useful. Everything else was discarded.

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>>2527454
>- Romanesque
>- secular Baroque
>- Classicism
>- Rococo
>- Neoclassicism

>We gonna copy the Meds, modify it a bit and claim its French style

Genius

>- Symbolism
>- Surrealism
>- Expressionism
>- Modernism

>>/trash/

>>2527492
Mohammed please, I know you hate the West but that's not the issue here.

>>2527492
The French are meds.

>>2527218
Why, Spengler was right about everything.

>>2527528
Civilisation wise, no
Frankish and Gaul tribes are closer to Germanics and Vikings than to Greeks and Romans

>>2527528
I think by "meds" he means sandniggers.

>>2527555
>Franks
Germanics, but they were a tiny minority in France even if they ended up giving the country its name.

>Gaul tribes
>closer to Germanics than to Italians
What the fuck am I reading

>>2527334
It's important to periodically clean these buildings to avoid the acidic elements of the pollution that sticks to them eroding the fine detail of the stonework.

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>>2527367
Burn yourself at the stake, heathen.

>>2527559
I thought so. There's been one assblasted Arab on this board who keeps shitting on northern Europeans while claiming the Greeks and Romans as his people.

>>2527367
Atheist here.

They're an excellent way to have a stone structure that is both tall and has large windows, which is essential in northern climates where gothic architecture evolved.

You're a fucking pleb.

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>>2527562
>Romans described Gauls as tall, blonde and blue eyed people with strong physiques

Sounds pretty close to Germanics to me.

>>2527577
What in the fuck do "Northern climates" have to do with anything?

>>2527637
Unlike the Germanics, Gauls actually had something resembling a civilization before the Romans came.

>And that was when he realized what waste of time this fucking piece of shit board was

>>2527378
OUI WUZ

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>>2527664
Only in the south where they had contact with Greeks.

jesus christ this is the most pleb board on 4chan

>>2527666
satan pls

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>>2527453

> White Italian armor looked much better than German Gothic armor.

Fucking kek

>>2527637
>med means you have be a shitskin manlet
No.

>>2527671
I'm sorry reality is so francocentric: >>2527454

>>2527675
>Thracians only controled a third of Thrace
Wut? Were they ancient modern "Macedonians"?

>>2526984
WE WUZ BUILDERS AND SHIT LADDIE

>>2527693
Please do not start this. We know shit about the Thracians.

>>2527542
Spengler was a quack.
>"""Magian""" Civilization

>>2527686
what's with the fish fins? is this the atlantean style?

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>Greeks and Romans never surpassed Ancient Egyptian architecture

Whitey btfo.

We wuz kangz.

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There was nothing that could compare to Porta Nigra, Arch of Constantine, Roman Pantheon, Temple of Artemis, Tomb of Mausolus and Lighthouse of Alexandria until the late Middle Ages.

>>2526984
BENIS

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>>2527184
>pic

>>2527101
>>2527146
>>2527152
>>2527167
>>2527168
I like these. Fine geometric patterns really appeal to me.

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>>2527347
Dear god my eyes

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>>2528288
There's nothing geometric about that piece of shit. It's an orgy of arches, lines, spikes, pointy towers and random incoherent patterns everywhere. Muslim architecture might be your thing if you like geometric shapes.

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>>2528417
Don't you have to pray to your pedo warlord abdul?

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>>2527095
>>Italians literally called Gothic buildings "ugly makeshifts"

Meanwhile in relevant Italy

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>>2528659
>let me post "Gothic" that doesn't actually look like Gothic

The closest thing Italy has to traditional Gothic architecture is Milan's cathedral and a lot of people say it's shit.

>>2528659
>Venetian Gothic is an architectural style combining use of the Gothic lancet arch with Byzantine and Moorish architecture influences. The style originated in 14th century Venice with the confluence of Byzantine styles from Constantinople, Arab influences from Moorish Spain and early Gothic forms from mainland Italy.

kek

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>>2528693

What's the problem with pointy things? I like pointy things.

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>All these faggots and plebs arguing about Gothic, Baroque, and Graeco-Roman

How fucking ignorant can you be. It's well known that the Irish solved architecture.

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>>2528780
Pointy shit is offensive

>>2527133
What did the sculptor mean by that? (seriously)

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>>2528780
With its brutish unrefined ornamentation and grotesque characteristics, Gothic is inherently a barbaric, a product of uncivilised man, as savage as the tribe by which its name derived from

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>>2528879
>I'm a giant faggot please rape my face

>>2528693
Why is it shit? It actually looks clean and is full of beautiful carvings, not just pointy shapes.

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>>2527251
>why are my eyes bleeding?
is this meant to inspire utter revulsion?

>>2528104
go away Freud

>>2528792

>kek

>>2527124
The only one that sounds butthurt is you, frenchie. Gothic architecture is worse looking and less adequate.

>>2528659
Venetians are Germanic

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>>2527453
Gothic armour looked great.

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>>2530222

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>>2530226

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>>2530230

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>>2530235

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>>2530222
Then why did Maximilian prefer the rounded style of Italian armor without the retarded pointy feet of Gothic? Check mate G*rms

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>>2530242

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>>2530237

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>>2530242
The rounded style of Milanese armour was an earlier style of armour than Gothic, which came up later. At the time the Milanese armour was predominant in Italy, Kastenbrust style armour was predominant in Germany. Gothic armour became to some extent popular in Italy as well and you can find Gothic influences in Italian suits from the late 15th century, or even suits made completely in Gothic style.

Armour usually mimicked the clothes of the time, and as fashion changed so did the looks of armour.

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>>2530253
Gothic armor was clearly inferior as the only thing which was used in the design of the evolution of both styles was it's fluting.

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>>2530305
There was no such thing as "evolution of both styles". The Italian armour styles had been around since the early 15th century - way before Gothic armour. Maximilian armour came roughly a hundred years later: consider these time spans. It's not like Italian styles and Gothic armour had developed in parallel and then they decided to make a mixture of both. They were already well established and common - also known to Germans - given that some of the finest remaining Milanese suits stem from the Churburg Collection of the Lords of Matsch. Had they worked much better than Gothic armour, Gothic armour wouldn't have been established in the first place because everyone would have realised that things don't work out like this because they had Italian suits and Kastenbrust suits for comparison. Also, I'd argue that the surfaces of Maximilian armour aren't nearly as wide and flowing. They're more rounded in comparison with Gothic armour but they're rounded in a sense of following the shape of the human body. The shape is a much tighter fit - not as tight as Gothic, but most definitely not like the Milanese shape of the first half of the 15th century either.

>>2530372
You must be fucking retarded of you think G*ermans can do anything properly

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>>2530074
How? We were only ruled by the Ostrogoths for a brief period. Venice was built to resist barbarian invasions. Both the Lombards and Franks failed to conquer the area around Venice. Venetian Republic lasted from 697 AD to 1797 AD until Napoopan sold us out to the A*strians.

We are bure Italic. Fuck off.

>>2530372
>Had they worked much better than Gothic armour, Gothic armour wouldn't have been established in the first place

They were cheaper than Italian armors and thus had a competitive advantage to establish themselves.

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>>2530446
>They were cheaper than Italian armors
Do you have reliable sources on armour prices? I very much doubt it.

Not to mention that from a position of reasonable intellect alone Gothic armour shouldn't be cheaper as putting the armour in shapes like that takes more time and that time usually has to be paid - not to mention the expertise.

And as I said: you can find Italian suits from the same period which were made in Gothic style. It was simply a popular kind of fashion of armour in the late 15th century.