How exactly did Russia change from a pathetic country which loses

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>>2517618
It actually went from a powerful, respected and innovative nation to that filth (which still affects the mentallity of many russians today, acting as shit as they did under communism).

Communism is definitely succesful if by success you mean losing a war and forcing to change political system without even fighting. That's right folks! Commie cucks didn't even fight the USA to get overthrown they just lost like pussies!

>>2517618
Yes totalitarian disregard for human rights frees up alot of resources.

>>2517633
Wasn't the USSR pretty innovative in space?

>>2517645
Yeah they sure innovated doing human spaceflight with the bare minimum of testing and safety protocols.

>>2517656
>if we had just deregulated the space industry we would have beaten the soviets in the space race

>>2517664
The Soviets were beaten in the space race.

Although it's hard to deny that being first in space is more important than being first on the moon.

>>2517645
That's like saying, but 'wasen't the english empire free?'

Of course it was to some degree but nowhere near as libertarian as the USA when it was founded

The Russian empire was leading in naval technology, had great airplanes as well as advances in psychology and other sciences (not to mention literature which was non existent in the USSR)

>>2517679
>The Russian empire was leading in naval technology
Wouldn't that be Britain? It's hard to believe that Russia was better in naval technology than Britain.

>>2517686
Britain easily had one of the best navies in history (in fact, i'm sure they did) but in the years before the first world war Russia had one of the leading navies in the world as well, not sure if at that time better than the USA or not but definitely better than what the Habsburgs and the French had

>>2517697
What a waste of resources. Why on earth does Russia need a strong navy? Their main concern was always Germany.

>>2517633
>It actually went from a powerful, respected and innovative nation to that filth
Russian empire was by no means more innovative or powerful than the USSR and the "respected" or "filth" parts are entirely subjective since you and the first world in general were fed with propaganda against SSSR.

>>2517697
Yup, Russian Imperial navy performed so great during the war with Japanese.

>>2517618
Russia would've industrialized just as quickly if it stayed a monarchy, it was well on pace to do so.

>>2517676

>Although it's hard to deny that being first in space is more important than being first on the moon.

Not with a good propaganda machine it isn't.

You STILL get Amerilards beating their chest about landing on the moon.

>>2517712
>always Germany
If by "always" you mean only after 1878.

>>2517751
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_on_the_Ice

>>2517712
They used to have wars and proxy wars with england as well, not to mention that for the entirety of the 1800s Germany was their friend and the war between them only really started because of warmongering officers.

Germany was actually one of Russia's closest allies

>>2517734
yes it was a more innovative country, also i'm part of the second world you fucking idiot.

The Russian empire used to have dignity, freedom of speech, and an amazing culture boom. The USSR (or CCCP if you want to be specific) forced neighbours to hate each other, authors to write what the state wanted and music to be played accordingly.

>>2517734
if you think that's a good example of the navy's excellence i truly, from the bottom of my heart, feel sorry for you.

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>>2517734
>being this retarded

>>2517749
I like how Americans and Westerners are praising globalism and acting like one big family only because they like Chinese food, but nobody gives a shit about the achievements of other nations.

WW2 especially. Most people don't even have the slightest idea what Russia went through just to survive physically. Only in our ignorant world are the most titanic, apocalyptic battles in history which happened so recently, also the most unknown.

>>2517768
>this retarded meme battle again
I honestly wish you get cancer and drop dead, it was an irrelevant skirmish that got bloated up in importance by Soviet historians. Russia and Germany are probably the most natural allies and have been so until the Alexander III's pro-French course and later the Anglo-Russian Entente.

Free human resources, strict government, and terror. Any political system would succeed using these patterns. But it took only 70 years to collapse

>>2517633
first post best post as always

>>2517633
>the Russian Empire was powerful, respected and innovative
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
>>2517679
>The Russian Empire was leading in naval technology and airplanes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Air_Service#Maintenance_problems
>>2517697
>Russia had one of the leading navies in the world
https://m.warhistoryonline.com/history/1904-5-russo-japanese-war-japan-shatters-russias-navy-global-perceptions.html
>>2517772
>Russian Empire had freedom of speech
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhrana

>>2517697
>The Russian navy was one of the best in the world
lmao
They lost to Japan and whenever we want a good laugh we just circulate around that greentext about how they struggled just sailing there, almost precipitating a war with britain in the process.

>>2517633
What do first world bourgeoisie college students have to do with the USSR? Soviets were tough as fuck, much tougher than most obese alt-right faggots

>>2517772
>yes it was a more innovative country
Please tell me how they shot people into kosmos, played with robots on moon or wielded world-destroying armaments. While Tsar might have overseen the greatest era of Russian culture, he certainly did not oversaw the greatest era of Russian science.

>The Russian empire used to have dignity, freedom of speech, and an amazing culture boom.
Dignity is subjective mentioning it will only make you look emotionally invested. Freedom of speech was never a thing cherished by Russian people. And that culture "boom" had a lot of to do with the fact that romanticism heavily complimented Russian culture. Ideology of communism on the other hand complimented modernist movemenst which also produced much quality (Blok, Eisenstein, Tatlin, Vertov etc.), but this period is much less known. Socialist realism and what followed was shit, that is true.

>forced neighbours to hate each other, authors to write what the state wanted and music to be played accordingly.
So did Russian empire.

>if you think that's a good example of the navy's excellence i truly, from the bottom of my heart, feel sorry for you.
If you can't tell irony this obvious, then I truly, from the bottom of my heart, feel sorry for you.

>>2517900
>i don't know any history before ww1 and learned everything i know from youtube

you tried so i'll help you out
>the Russian Empire was powerful, respected and innovative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_brig_Mercury
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_%C3%87e%C5%9Fme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Patras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_Kaliakra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kerch_Strait_(1790)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tendra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Dardanelles_(1807)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Navy#18th_century
(cont)

>>2517633
>c-cucks

>>2517900
>>2517924
unrivalled russian literature, some of these suppressed by the commies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksey_Konstantinovich_Tolstoy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Chekhov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Gogol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Dostoyevsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Pasternak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Zamyatin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bulgakov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

>>2517990
>Ottoman empire
That's like bragging about beating up people on wheelchair.

>>2517911
haha le meme
have a (you)
>>2517920
>looks at photo
>doesn't even read comment
haha

>>2518003
>some of these suppressed by the commies
Cool, but why did you include Pushkin which was suppressed by Tsar?

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
Literally made popular to spite Soviets, I wouldn't put him amongst the greatest.

>>2518071
>Literally made popular to spite Soviets, I wouldn't put him amongst the greatest.
of course, he called them out on their shit what do you expect from a tyrannical regime

>>2517990
So you realise you can't defend the modern russian empire so use the golden age russian empire, despite your original post claiming the russian empire during ww1 was before than the ussr.

>>2517633
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>>2518082
>claiming the russian empire during ww1 was before than the ussr
never said during ww1 specifically you absolute mongoloid
the russian empire since Peter the Great

>>2517643
Second pbp

>>2518075
Lot of people called them out. That doesn't make you a nation's greatest artist all of sudden.

Comparism ad absurdum: Think of Pussy Riot

To clarify: I don't think of him as a bad writer, he just doesn't deserve to be mentioned, if e.g. Turgenev is not.

>>2517920
This

>>2518093
this is such a meme battle, people actually think it proves the russians had a terrible navy? does anyone on /his/ even read history?

>>2517633
>tfw first post becomes the thread's focus

>>2518102
i see i see, i only mentioned the authors i read books from not all of them of course

>>2518105
Their navy was garbage. Someone post that greentext of when the Baltic Fleet was going east.

>>2518105
Well redeem the Imperial navy, if you please. Show us, how they defeated the perfidious Anglo, reclaimed their eagles from Nippons or how did they've crushed Germans in WW1.

>>2517618
putting all the opinionated bullshit aside, russia wasn't a complete backwater before communism. they had a decent amount of complex railways and their military was pretty respected (if not due to strategic prowess then due to sheer size, but more bc of sheer size), but of course there were problems with the tsar's corruption and how he kinda maybe starved the better part of the population

communism on the other hand left the people's stomachs in no better position but brought about a way more efficient government and military. there were a lot more advances in science and technology too, but anything that didn't contribute to the state's hold on their power really wasn't worth anything more than propaganda and the common people never received the benefits of it. so communism wasn't an all around, general "success" for russia (i.e. the people, science, education, technology, etc), just a success for it's world power and repute

>>2517633
i love that image

mind if i save it?

>>2518099
>never said before ww1
>It actually went from a powerful, respected and innovative nation to that filth
This sentence implies it was powerful, well respected and innovative in 1916.

>>2518156
save it, it's all yours

>>2518156
>>2518180
You are both autists.

>>2517679
>Russian empire
>did something right

>usa
>libertarian
>more free than the english empire

Overrated post

>>2517633
FPBP

>>2518156
No, it's my private property you commie scum

>>2517786
>lend shit to russia
>russia gets it destroyed
>doesnt pay you back
>implying even human

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>>2518011
And yet the Anglo couldn't do it.

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How exactly did Russia change from a great country which could easily beat the Turks in battle and could have taken Constantinople if the eternal Anglo allowed it, and hold its own alone against Austria-Hungary, the German Empire and the Ottoman Empire, to that pathetic pretense of a "superpower" that let the Germans grab land all the way to the Volga and could only turn around thanks to massive U.S. Lend Lease help and wasting human lives, and that later couldn't even beat Pashtun tribesmen in a war?

Is communism really that shit?

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>>2518678
/thread

>>2518678
>Mighty Russian empire forced Germans into signing B-L treaty
>Pathetic Soviet Union gets it shit handled to Berlin where they humiliated and forced to sexually please hundreds of thousands German women. Only to emerge as compulsive collector of large explosive phallic objects (likely to compensate for something).

At last, I truly see.

>>2518855
It wasn't the Russian Empire that signed Brest-Litovsky, it were the commies.

And if the commies took Russia to Berlin, the Tsar took them to Paris in 1815.

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>>2518866
double dubs confirm this /btfo/

not to mention that no victory under the commies compares to the victories russians have won over their enemies from the 1700s up to the late 1800s
Suvorov's entire career to name a couple

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>>2518866
>And if the commies took Russia to Berlin, the Tsar took them to Paris in 1815
Which didn't end up so well, did it? Not to mention they were not even allowed to keep part of the city

>it were the commies
It wasn't the commies who got their shit handled so hard by Germans, commies (Tukhachevski, Zhukov, Isserson, Trifiandilov etc.) actually made Russian army from Suvorov's Ivan-waves into the modern juggernaut we know.

They just accepted the peace so that Russian people won't suffer no more war and famine (inb4.. yes, I know, they brought even more of it at the end of the decade).

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>>2517633
>>2517780
>BTFO cuks

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>>2518963
>thinks i'm right wing
nice try fag

>>2518966
I was mocking the ad hom not the politics

>>2517618
The socialist economy helped the Soviet people, but not so much the nation.

What really mattered was industrialization. Under Stalin, the Soviet Union adopted a planned economy with the goal of rapid industrialization. His successive five-year-plans were enormously successful at transforming Europe's most backward empire into a mechanized powerhouse. However, this rapid industrialization came at a heavy price. The acquisition of grain to sell abroad led to starvation in Ukraine as well as political resentment at home and abroad. Severe punishments of those who impeded the industrialization process created an enormous class of prisoners who had to endure brutal conditions in eastern labor camps.

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>>2518982
>the socialist economy helped the soviet people

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>>2518993
Life expectancy improved and the population grew. There were clear benefits.

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>>2517633
Commies better watch out as well

>>2517633
This is pretty categorically wrong. Russian Empire was extremely backwards in self-sufficiency, industry, etc.. It was a 16th century country in the 20th century.

USSR was brutal as fuck and ultimately stagnated but under it the USSR developed true self-sufficiency, a real military industry, far more powerful army, and made major leaps in technology worldwide.

>>2519231
That man in the back?

That's a very jewish man

>>2517679
>The Russian empire was leading in naval technology, had great airplanes as well

Just about all their naval technology was procured from France, same with their aircraft. Soviets actually developed a domestic military industry.

EVERYONE in Russia, besides some stuffy nosed nobility who were living 200 years prior, hated the monarchy. The revolution that overthrew the Tsar was massively popular, the problem came when the revolutionary groups fought among themselves and the Bolsheviks betrayed them.

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>>2519231
Just look at this grinning jew

He looks euphoric

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>>2519242
nah man he's the """"master race""""

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>>2519256
>tfw fat disgusting """white nationalists""" even blame their hideousness on Jews

>>2519253
>hated the monarchy.
It might be the fact that they were basically German, that had something to do with it, as was almost everyone in the ruling class.

You can only get away with mistreating your people for so long, until they figure out that they don't even see you as human.

I totally understand why they rebelled. Imagine how a Russian must have felt, not being provided education or food by a clique which isn't even really Russian and then expects YOU to fight their fucking cousins in imperialistic wars, but you also see how well their cousins treat their own population.

wouldfightintheredarmy/10

>>2519312
It's sad because the 1904-1905 revolution (i.e. the revolution everyone forgets) the peasants/workers expressed genuine admiration for the Tsar. A lot of the rallies held up pictures of the Tsar and were led by orthodox clergy who said that the Tsars advisors were keeping the truth from him. Which is why they had to go to the Winter Palace and deliver a list of their problems to the Tsar himself. This way, those sneaky advisors couldn't stop them.

When they got to the palace, the guards opened fire on them and killed thousands. Despite not ordering it, afterwards he didn't even fire the captain of the guards or apologize.

Nicholas missed every opportunity to save his own skin.

>>2519333
This is why democracy is the best model

Even though a guy like Putin can (and probably does) steal as much as he wants, one thing he can't afford is incompetence. The outside world and internal enemies would shred him to pieces. A czar doesn't have to answer to anyone and can be as retarded and lazy as he wants.

>>2519360
The Socialist Revolutionary party (i.e. the biggest party in Russia after the Tsar fell) wanted a constitutional monarchy but the Bolsheviks fucked it all up and disbanded their parliament.

>>2519333
Pretty all the conditions that led to the february and october revolutions were made by administrative incompetence so great that, well, one can hardly believe it accidental.
Not saying I believe in those sorts of conspiracies, just it's ridiculous how so many people could have been so dumb all at the same time. But it happened.

>>2519384
I guess a constitutional monarchy would be the most fitting for Russia.

When everyone simply accepts that you are the king and god wants you to be the king, there is no need for a gigantic terror apparatus.

Stalins terror was born out of weakness, not out of strength. He even thought he would be kicked out of the Kremlin after the invasion, that's how much faith he had in the loyalty of his people.

Communism was retarded to begin with, you're not fighting for Russia, noo, you're fighting for the rest of the world and a future paradise. Who are you fighting? The rest of the world. Absolutely retarded. Even fascism might have been a better alternative.

>>2517633
Not remotely. The poorest and least developed European power became the second most powerful state in human history.

>>2519699
ahh, the classic 4chan "history book in a pic xdd"

seriously, why do kids take this shit-smeared shit for evidence?

>>2517772
>freedom of speech

*gets his mail read by okhrana and then summarily executed for anti-monarchist sentiments*

Pshhh, notin personel, serf.

>>2517618
The USSR happened to rule over a shit ton of arable land (Eastern Europe), plenty of empty space to relocate political opponents (Siberia), a massive population, and a shit ton of natural resources. The Russian Empire was barely even industrialized yet, and was essentially feudalist by the time of the Russian Revolution. Communism isn't exactly an economy-booster, but going from agrarian feudalism to industrialized anything will sure as fuck help.

>>2517618
The Russian Empire was not a pathetic country by any means. However, the USSR was definitely better. Early reforms made by the Soviet government laid the foundation for the USSR's growth.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likbez
Stalin's industrialiation came at a cost(purges) but it was worth it. It took him 25 years to achieve something the tsars couldn't achieve in two centuries.
>can't even defend their own ports (Crimean war)
They were attacked by two major powers and a minor one. Not to mention, that was the only successful operation of that war by the coalition. Most of their other endeavours failed.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petropavlovsk#Second_Bombardment_and_Repulse_of_the_Landing_Force
>In autumn 1854, a squadron of three British warships led by HMS Miranda left the Baltic for the White Sea, where they shelled Kola (which was utterly destroyed) and the Solovki. Their attempt to storm Arkhangelsk proved unsuccessful.

>>2518907
>Suvorov's Ivan-waves
You've got to be fucking joking
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cassano_(1799)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trebbia_(1799)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Izmail

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>>2518678
>Russia
>great country
>if the anglo ALLOWED it

lmfao

>>2517676
No they won it, the space race was always about getting the first man in space. It was just post-mortem extended to the moon(when the soviets were already focusing on spacestations). All you can say is that the US won the culture war.

>>2519238
>Russian Empire was extremely backwards in self-sufficiency, industry, etc
Absolutely false,

European Russia was more developed than Spain, for instance.

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>>2520529
Spain was and always will be a meme country

>>2517618
american lend lease program
russia then lend lease to china
china now lend lease to america

pacific circle is complete

only thing i can think of atlantic slave triangle trade

>>2519041
Yeah, but they were much lower rates of growth than in the capitalist west.

Only good things about the USSR were its aesthetic borders and the fact that it collapsed.

>>2519231
>you have to be a nazi to think communism is trash
In reality just have to have a functioning brain

>>2517618
>loses against Japan
Russian military history doesn't start with russo-japanese war, ever heard of generals Suvorov and Kutuzov? Check them out
Also try fighting a war where the enemy stabs you in the ass (Far East) and you don't even have the resources to turn back and face him with your primal forces

>>2517618
The ability to zergrush your enemies with a backpack of nukes in the background shouldn't be underestimated.

>>2518907
>Russian people won't suffer no more war
By starting their own that, ironically, made their deathtoll in WWI look like amateur hour

>and famine
By giving up their most fertile growing area

At least the Emperor wanted to keep fighting, and not just bend over and get assfucked (yeah, I know that was kind of happening already, but B-L was a terrible treaty)

>>2520659
>starting their own
What are you talking about?
>the Emperor wanted to keep fighting
Nicholas was a deluded retard who never showed any interest in his country. The people were sick of the war.

>>2520659
lmao the commies not wanting to give up land and thus keep fighting is what caused B-L. It was initially quite modest, but Trotsky had to be an idiot.

>>2520666
The Russian Civil war killed 9.5 million people (mostly civs) while Russia's participation in WWI cost them 2.2 million deaths.

If the commies had just shut the fuck up and waited for the War to end, Russia's pain would've ended 4 years and 7 million people earlier.

>the people were sick of the war
Everyone was sick of the war, Entente and Central power, after the first year of fighting.

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>>2517633

>>2520269
Because tankie cocksuckers like you have never even tried to refute it.

>>2518003
What about Mayakovsky, Yesienin, Vysotsky?


BTW, if tsarism was so great, then why did the first democratic election to Duma end with socialists winning 80% of seats?

>>2520406
>Not getting it again
Suvorov was a brilliant general, no doubt about that. He knew how to utilize the crap (compared to European army) he was given. But Russian army under his leadership was backwards compared to the ones of central and western Europe and didn't even cared to modernize up until Tukhachevski.

>The bullet is a mad thing; only the bayonet knows what it is about.
A.V Suvorov, Science of Victory

Great idea for a backwards empire in the 18th century, not so good once MGs and artillery begun to dominate battlefields.

>>2520659
>By giving up their most fertile growing area
And conquering it back within few years.

>>2517618
By sacrificing the lives of tens of millions of its own people.

Any country can "modernise" if it is willing to put money over the welfare of segments of its population.

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>>2517618
Marxism-Leninism is just a great system.

>>2517679
>psychology
>science

>>2521031
>Great idea for a backwards empire in the 18th century
Suvorov was an 18th century general. And that idea was great for any empire since Suvorov never lost a single battle.

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>>2520715
>If the commies had just shut the fuck up
They wanted power so they seized it. That's what all people who want to rule a country do.The provisional government under pic related was weak and the people of Russia were sick of war.

>>2521108
>Suvorov was an 18th century general.
Russian Imperial army failed to acknowledge that, since they were still fighting by his principles in the 1st world war.

>And that idea was great for any empire
Like for Brits and their limited manpower?

>>2517772
The Russian Empire didn't have freedom of speech until 1905, and even then it was largely symbolic. People were still shot or imprisoned for speaking out against the regime.

>>2521335
Can you bring up an example of someone who was actually shot?

>>2521344
*I mean simply for speaking, like a journalist or an author, I'm aware of bigger repressions like Bloody Sunday

>>2517697
Russia had a large navy, one with widely varying standards of performance.

>>2521344
Chernyshevsky, altough not shot, but Sibir'd

>>2521344
The Lena goldfields massacre

>>2521637
Jesus has Russia ever not been a repressive shithole?

You're being a tunnel-vision fag who obsesses over 20th century modernity at the expense of everything else.

Yes, Imperial Russia suffered a couple of losses to the Japanese Empire - in a couple of faraway places with a third-rate navy and a third-rate part of their army.

Their actual military history as a whole however arguably the best in all of Europe/The world. No state had such repeated military success after the Ugra River as the Russian Empire did. Their W/L ratio is a lot higher than you're giving it credit for.

>>2517633
>respected
Not really.

It was basically viewed like China was. Not without a certain fascination and awe, but still barbaric and backwards as fuck. Russia always stunned foreigners by pushing the boundaries of human dignity as down as possible.

People who came back simply reported a barbaric, violent nation of slaves who were brutally oppressed by czars. Not without certain accomplishments,but again so did India and China.

To say that Russia was respected is nonsense. It was never respected, or else Napoleon wouldn't have tried to invade it.

>>2517618
Ru has more democracy indeed, communism was a former idea, mind out of the box

>>2521654
Aside from a brief spell under the Provisional Government in 1917, I don't think so

>>2521654
The high point in terms of civil liberties was probably 1992-2004, but it was pretty poor back then.

Russia was probably most comfortable in the 60s/70s. Maybe right now.

>>2517618
the fall of the Russian empire was among the most significant events in assuring ultimate American hegemony.

>>2521684
>state had such repeated military success after the Ugra River as the Russian Empire did
no shit that they win when their only enemies was small primitive nomad bands

>>2517618
They always had a lot of manpower and it was intimidating. However, had the allies been willing to spend the money they could have finished it off relatively easy. The rest was all illusion and nuke's. Their tech was always behind, their economy always behind, their industry etc.

They were good at making it look like htey were competing though which kept the US and allies in a constant state of panic.

Great role played by Stalin and the higher party leadership, they were able to take the country in check, it was a very successful military dictatorship. The Russian people are very inert.
Otto von Bismarck was speaking: The russians take long to harness but fast to ride are slow starters but they are fast drivers on getting into gear but then they drive quickly.

>>2517679
>not to mention literature which was non existent in the USSR

lol how wrong could you be

>>2518003
False.
My parents from the USSR in the school curriculum studied all these authors except Solzhenitsyn

Wow look, another one sided debate about Russia.

Can we just for once set aside the wide spread notion of taking Russia as the baddie and take things from a mere clear perspective?

These threads are always plagued by an overwhelming moral stance against Russia.
>USA won the cultural war

Can't we just dissect the topic with a bit more neutrality. After all the rise of communism for good or for bad is a on par with the French Revolution in international significance.

>>2524889
It's not even so much about censorship, but of the remarkable halt in the production of quality literature produced by the USSR as opposed to what was produced by the west at the same time.

There was simply something terribly bleak and disheartening about the USSR that crushed everything that was creative in Russia. Perhaps it was because the Russian Empire was such an aristocratic country before and that produced a better envirioment for literary geniuses, but what's certain is that soviet socialism was terrible at producing any culture that wasn't government propaganda, and even that was usually pretty bad.

>>2525741
>Can't we just dissect the topic with a bit more neutrality
Impossible. It always devolves into /pol/acks hating the soviets for defeating the nazis and tankies masturbating to the thought of the USSR being based and how they could have made it if comrade Stalin annexed more countries and was meamer to the filthy capitalists.

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>>2518963

>implying your either red or a nazi

wew

>>2525909
>implying Soviet culture was worse than Western culture
wew.

>>2525909
Or perhaps it's more about our perception of things. Most of nations consider their early modern (French rev-WW1) authors the "golden ones".

>>2523218
Just like USA, right?

>>2526047
If a culture can't provide you refrigerators and washing machines it's not a culture.

It's when the US gave them food, guns, boots and trucks

>>2520518
The space race ended when it became clear Russia was never going to catch up to U.S. space efforts post-moon shot. They couldn't even land on the moon period. Ideally, the Soviets would have done that much and then declared they were going to make Mars a literal and figurative red planet. But instead their space program just sort of petered out. Which is a real shame, because their version of the space shuttle looked pretty neat.

>>2528724
They were the first to land on another planet tho

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>>2526047
>its a western culture is bad meme episode

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>>2517618
thanks to him, best ally of Soviet Union ever

>>2521727
Nothing really changes then

>>2523218
>Khanates
>primitive
>various European powers (Sweden, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, France, Germany)
>nomad bands
>The Ottoman Empire
>nomad bands

Russia has one of the most glorious military histories, a simple statistical analysis of the amount of wars they've fought and won will show you this.

Anything decent the CCCP did was basically pioneered by Stolypin anyway and was just standard good governance. The Russian Empire produced more food than the CCCP did, it produced more petroleum than America did in the 1900s etc.

The notion it was some complete backwater akin to Mongolia is insane. No shit it wasn't France or Britain, but it wasn't as weak and feeble as your average memer makes out.

>>2519360
>one thing he can't afford is incompetence

Except your very example, and those of countless other Kings, Czars and Emperors, proves you wrong. With a Monarchy the buck really does stop with the Monarch.

With derpmocracy, Tony Blair & Co just on a speaking engagement tour after further fucking up the country and make a cool $30m.