Did the Greeks disappear from Constantinople in the 20th century?

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"Why did the Greeks disappear?"

>>2512981
Ataturk chased them away.

>>2513016
So it was a Turkish nationalism thing?

>>2512981
Massive exchange of populations between Venizelos and Ataturk. It was the only succesfull operation of the League of Nations.

>>2513016
Not exactly.

>>2513038
So they went back to Greece? Why did they think it would be a good idea? Just to avoid tensions between the two ethnic nationalist groups?

>>2512981
Ottomans tolerated Christians as they needed their literacy to make up the state bureaucracy, and most other white collar positions, as well as to have a group to play the Muslim population against so that they didn't rebel.

With the rise of Turkish nationalism after ww1 and the fall of the Ottoman empire this policy was specifically rejected and all non Turks were to be purged from what would now be called Turkey.

>>2513058
nationalism was a mistake

>>2512981
>Tomislav Božidar Ђaкoвицa !tY/yH1DDmY

& Humanities did this

>>2513049
After Greece was defeated in 1922 in Asia minor and Turkey became a state, Venizelos and Ataturk signed the Lozanne treaty, which stabilized the borders in Evros river and exchanged Turkish in Greece with Greeks in Turkey. They made it like this so that there a war would not erupt every time people from each side locally chimp out against the others.

>>2513062
It was very progressive back then.

>>2513049
Pretty much. There was a war, Ataturk was all "turkey now modern" and Greece was all "Greece now modern byzantium, shit to turks" there was a war, first it went well for the greeks, then stalemate, then peace with population exchanges to prevent it happening again.

>>2513075
explain?

Turks are just traitorous greeks!

>>2513001
The conflict between the turks and the greeks was kinda a war of ethnic cleansing between both sides, the turks here being the ones who won.

>>2513075
I think if OP asks a question, tripfagging should be tolerated.

>>2513112
Not exactly won. It must have been proper chaos back then. Stability was good for everyone.

>>2513130
They won in the sense that they are the ones who managed to ethnically cleanse the other.

>>2513159
There were many Turks living in Thessaloniki, Thraki and the islands before the shitstorm. More Greeks than Turkish moved during the Lozanne treaty, but remember that it was the finishing stroke of almost 100 years ++if you count the revolutions. Nobody won.

>>2513159
The Ottomans definetly lost :)

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>>2512981
anzu killed all the gr*ks.

>>2513181
The difference is that it was not territory they expected to keep. Turks wanted anatolia above all, the greeks wanted the anatolian coast. The turks here met their strategic goals to a greater degree than the greeks, insofar as the turks got all of anatolia while the greeks got only territory that was already going to be theirs.

>>2513192
turks bruv, not ottomans.

>>2513207
Who is that?

>>2513221
Turks and Greeks both ate the Ottomans.

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>>2513207
If I am to be killed, I choose.Atiye!

>>2513248
buddy cmon we're talking the outcome of the greco-turkish war, there were no ottomans around to lose.

Greeks were being cast out since the crusades. They deserved it too.

>>2513216
It was very mixed back then. There was a.strong possibility Smyrna would unite.with Greece but rhat did not happen. NeoTurks emerged etc, but that was just the last stroke in almost 100 years of war. Very messy...
Are you Turkish btw? I am Greek.

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>>2513253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2LTL8KgKv8

>>2513258
Turks repelled the invasion. In the grand scale I dont think anyone won.

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>>2513276
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Wfxyn0TF4

>>2513236
is this an ethnic Turk or is she a slav?

>>2513327
Probably a descendant of some sex slave from Ukraine.

>>2513001
Population exchange.
Actually they just divided it according to religion.
Christians were handled as Greeks, Muslims as Turks.

>>2513261
t.roach

>>2513269
Smyrna is on the anatolian coast. It joining with anatolia wasn't going to happen if the turks could manage it.
No, sorry, not turkish.
>>2513280
We're speaking of two different ideas of "winning", then. I'm taking the clausewitzian definition of such, in which winning is meeting more of your strategic goals than your enemy and upsetting his own. You can win in such terms and still be pretty fucked, but it's still a singular win.

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>>2513207
tfw no turkish gf

>>2513448
As battles go, the Greek army was defeated by the Neo-Turks.
On a grande scale, bear in mind that this was the closure of the Balkan wars. Greece got the islands and North Greece, Turkey became a modern nation, populations were exchanged and life went on.
It is not as if Smyrna was a fully Greek area. Turks reclaimed it and final borders were stabilized.

>>2513499
If Greece's goals had been securing the greek peninsula instead of also adding the annexation of anatolian territory, then one could say that, in clausewitzian sense, they had either won or fought to an agreeable stalemate. But that is not the case.
Yeah, because the turks ethnically cleansed it. I'm not putting blame anywhere or anything, ethnic cleansing had been the order of the day where the balkans is concerned for quite some time.

>>2513350
This can't be stressed enough. Much like Croats, Serbs, and Bosnians are the same ethnicity but became divided by religious affiliation. The Ottoman conquest of Anatolia and Constantinople/Istanbul was only really at the top. The genetics of all but the top leadership remained the same. the people just gradually converted to Islam. Essentially like how being a Catholic in Central Yugoslavia makes you a Croat or being a Orthodox makes you a Serb, Being Christian made you a "Greek" and being Muslim made you a "Turk". The Greek population didn't vanish into thin air in 1453, they just changed religions.