Is anyone else upset that the Nazis ruined the roman salute for

>>2509252
You can still give your fellow soldiers gay hugs and inappropriately timed caressing

>>2509274
but when people see you salute like that they immediately think of hitler. this is what saddens me. :(

>>2509291

It's time for you to take it back.

>>2509300
lol dubs confirm it i guess.

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>>2509252
Yes, fuckin´ Nazis.

Nazis ruined a lot of shit anon, specially Germanic culture.

No.

>>2509300
Same with the swastika, which I think looks really fucking cool in all it's variations and forms. It's a common and ancient symbol that's been in indo-European heritage too long for one 20th century regime to fick it up forever. From the Hindus and Tibetans to the Celtics and Latins, it's a beautiful symbol that has many meanings from culture to culture and I want it free from association with fucking Nazism.

>>2509311

>germanic culture

Know this is a troll but the Romans never actually used the salute.

>>2509252
What is with that arm reaching around on the left?

>>2509340
Source?

>>2509336
That too! That's mostly in the west though.

How long does it have to be for these things to become normal again?

>>2509350
>However, no Roman text gives this description, and the Roman works of art that display salutational gestures bear little resemblance to the modern Roman salute.

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>>2509379
>>2509350
They'd raise their hand but not flatten it out and point

I hate that britons and other euroniggers ruined the salute, yes.

Fuck you.

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>>2509252

>>2509379

That's what it says on wikipedia, yes. However it's sourced to "Winkler (2009)" what is that?

>>2509379
>>2509385
Fair enough.
It looks like their raising a loosely balled up fist. Could there be a communist or perhaps even black power-fist theft going on here?

>>2509336
yeah rip swastika

>>2509392
"If you completely change the context of something, then people react differently."

-Right wing proverb

>>2509252
except the fact that we have NO proof that the romans ever used that salute. Its agreed by scholars that Marinetti, the Italian Futurist, invented it.

>>2509506
or i.e. he popularized it by coping its from david's painting

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>>2509252

Mosley talks about it in this video, can't remember the time.
https://youtu.be/rd7LcaXZzUs

He said something along the lines of the revival of the Roman salute, being an answer to the closed fist Communist salute.

People needed to feel unity.

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>>2509252

We just have to take it back. Identitarianism is the new opponent to Cultural Marxism and it's going to win because humans want an identity over mass collectivism anyday.

We can bring the European people back and the way to do it is by making them realise within themselves the Ubermensch and protecting their own people.

>>2509609
>>2509600
can you take your thinly veiled /pol/ propaganda elsewhere?

>>2509614

It's not propaganda. What about what I said is misleading?

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>>2509609
>implying identitarianism isn't simply a racialist outgrowth of the exact kind of Cultural Marxism they despise

Identity as politics was a mistake.

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Off topic but not worth starting a thread over: Who is this Wojak modeled after? I feel it's Martin Van Buren, but correct me if I'm wrong.

It's not a Roman symbol, it was literally invented by Jacques-Louis David for that painting you posted.

>>2509609
The only way to counter idpol is MORE IDPOL

>>2509836
Arthur Schopenhauer. Famous philosopher who gets memed on /lit/ for hating women. He never had a gf and wrote about his no gf feels.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer

>>2509836
Schopenhauer.

>>2509832
This. Identity politics has only given us cancer, sjws and /pol/ autists who are two sides of the same coin.

>>2509844
>>2509845
Fuck, I was wrong. Sounds like I could relate to the guy though kek. Thanks lads.

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It's a French symbol, not a Roman one.

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>>2509848
>Sounds like I could relate to the guy though kek. Thanks lads.

same....

That's like saying Hitler ruined the toothbrush mustache. You wouldn't have done it anyway. Nazis are the only reason you're interested.

>>2509846
We've been left reeling from the death of God.

>roman symbol
romans never used it you retard

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>>2509844
Looked him up and he sounds like /r9k/ and /pol/'s guy, though wikipedia did say he had a relationship. Never married though.

Much like Roman law and the Roman type, the Roman salute isn't actually Roman.

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>>2509438
>>2509336
>>2509855
swastika is the worst because the symbol has been used in almost every culture
it's so basic - imagine "banning" something as simple as a cross or a square.
That's what happened with swastika - it's just a cross with bent arms

>>2509880
Wish it would come back. It's a truly a e s t h e t i c symbol. Then again, nazis were a e s t h e t i c as fuck too.

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Fucking nazis

>>2509600
>1967 Oswald Mosley

Are you trying to make him look bad?

>>2509846

Yeah that's all it gave us. Identity politics predate economic politics

>>2509880
>usa
>kritt motor car corp

Come On man...

>>2509252
MUH 6000000000000!!

>>2509252
Germans ruining European civilization?
News at 11

>>2509880
Yeah, it's just a basic geometric design.

Also, the pentagram gets some hang-ups from dumbasses. It's just a five pointed star which has had many meanings throughout history (including christian!), but all they can think is "muh satans"

>>2509614

Grow some skin, you paranoid dunce.

>>2509252
Romans were anti-semites too you fag

>>2510568
All they wanted was to add Judea to the Empire.

They were no more 'anti-semitic' as they were anti-gaul or anti-egyptian.

Stop being such a constant whiney crybaby

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I sure hope modern skin-heads don't ruin more stuff.

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Member when Isis was a cool name and people thought of an Egyptian goddess instead of a bunch of the worst people imaginable?

I 'member.

>>2509800
>>>2510539
>thinking cultural marxism is real because /pol/ told you
>muh european tribe
>still calling it a roman salute despite the post above you saying it wasn't roman at all.
>wahhh why doesn't michelle parade in front of WHITE people so my feelings dont get hurt!

>>2509336
People are still alive today that fought in ww2 brah. Shit ive got two relatives that fought in that war. Its not gonna happen for at least 2 more generations

>>2510915
I wonder how many black girls are named Isis in the usa.

>>2510121
except that pentagrams aren't associated with a totalitarian regime which caused a war that led to 50 million deaths

>>2510954
Still no reason to ban it desu

>>2509846
>SJWS and /pol/acks want completely opposites
>Therefore, they might as well be the same!!!11!!!
Kys

>>2510954
It sucks that a lot Nazi architecture got bulldozed though, a lot of it was very cool.

Nazi's have by far the best aesthetics of any group in the last 100 years

>>2509871
guy gets a bad rap. he was a bit of sperg but he transforms when you read his works, a beautiful soul as some would say.

>>2510905
That symbol is a reconstruction anyway, and neo-nazis DO already use it, because it was designed by Himmler for his weird SS hogwarts

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>>2509883

When the Pledge was first written and recited it included a gesture where you put your hand out palm up. Lazy school children just stuck their arms out. Nazis use salute.
Dropped from the recitation of the Pledge in U.S.A.

>>2509337
>he thinks petty wars which the emperor undoes 19 years later is not a culture
>>2509252
Sure m8 this isn't b8 and you ain't a pol/lack, you probably are just being a reactionary, as a straight arm out looks dumb whilst a palm raised makes you look like the boss (and I'm sick of you screwing up)

>>2510962
only in germany, not in america
>>2511298
from my readings it was basically similar to the gigantism of stalin or mussolini, because hitler loved the imposing habsburg baroque stuff from vienna. I wouldn't have minded a few specimens remaining for their historic value, but I'm not sure i can agree it was all original or aesthetic. mussolini did better fascist stuff desu.

>>2512303
Are you literally an antifa faggot?

>>2512303
>>2513515
Shit wrong thread sorry

>>2509880
Was the Third Reich actually built by ANCIENT ALIENS?

>>2513515
whats so bad about being anti fascist?

>>2513591
The fascists don't like it.

>>2511213
They are both extremist and absolute in their resolve. Both appeal to identity politics and both cry all the time about oppression.

>>2513591
>>2513606
>>2513590

>>2511213
It's like kids playing cops and criminals. From their perspective they are super-important and polar opposites, but for adults they are just kids fucking around, while they should be preparing for school.

>>2513671
> cops and criminals

It's called cops and robbers you stupid moron

>>2510921


>>thinking cultural marxism is real because /pol/ told you


When did I talk about Cultural Marxism?


>>muh european tribe

Nice argument

>>still calling it a roman salute despite the post above you saying it wasn't roman at all.

It's almost like people will refer to something by what it's commonly know and react to it, like, oh say a Swastika being associated with Nationalism first

>>wahhh why doesn't michelle parade in front of WHITE people so my feelings dont get hurt!

It's nice that your first instinct is to generalise "British" by simply calling them "White".

You're quite the bigot.

>>2513935
all my arguments are mostly directed at the other post i quoted. i only cited you you because you're in all likelihood the mosley shill who takes his every word as sacred.

>>2509252
Nazis have ruined a lot of things. Can't be a Prussophile anymore without being accused fo being a Wehraboo.

>>2514138
>Prussiafile
Liking a state founded on cowardice and breaking of oaths

>>2509274
I mean the Jews did totally massacre the entire population of Cyrenaica so the Romans were pretty justified in their hatred of the Jews

>>2509880
The meaning of symbols changes with the time.

>>2516092
The Libyan Cyrenaica?

>>2509252
No way the Romans had arches like that in the 7th Century BC. Do some fucking research before you paint, David.

>>2509274
Not really. It was a complicated relationship. Titus had a lot of Jewish friends, from Josephus to his lover princess Bernice. Caesar, Pompey and Augustus also were on good terms with various Judean nobles.

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>>2509252
Yes,

but honestly I am much more upset that they ruined the tooth brush mustache. I mean the thing was trendy back in the day, which is why everyone had one. It just happens one of those folks was named Adolf Hitler. Who incidental ruined those names as well.

How long does someone have to wait till Adolf and others are acceptable baby names again? I mean if we keep doing this we are going to run out of names at some point. And that is just first names, those last names are never coming back at this rate given Caligula and Khan are still off limits after centuries.

>>2517065
>artistic license doesn't exist
No.

>>2513935
reddit spacing

>>2517934
what does this even mean
can someone explain this retarded /v/-tier meme? who invented this dumb gay meme, and why?

>>2516185
yeah not that guy but people forget that jews revolted in cyrenaica and cyprus iirc and the romans had to put those down.