This is the truth of ancient Korea. There were two empires vying

>>2497804
Japs and korean history is fucking WEIRD

Don't care, don't want to know, weird as fuck

>>2497804
Was goguryeo language more related to Korean or Japanese?
Or neither?

>>2497804
>There were two empires
Kingdoms.

>>2497804
Japanese-Korean Hyperwar

>>2497890
Buyeo peoples were missing link between Japan and Korea.
Their language had some common words with Japanese and Korean.

>>2497804
yeah, this war doesn't get the attention it deserves, perhaps because its upsetting to nationalists on both sides

>>2497906
Name of "Korea" originated from Goguryeo's original name "Goryeo (高麗)". Then calling "Japanese-Korean Hyperwar" is pritty much fitting...

>>2497804
A nominal title granted by Chinese suzerains isn't proof that the Yamato polity controlled the southern portion of the Korean peninsula.

>>2497912
>Buyeo
More like a connection between Buyeo and the founders of Goguryeo and Baekje.

Linguists have used native toponyms to determine that central/southern Korea was inhabited by Japonic speakers(not the same thing as Japanese).

If anything, the dearth of surviving lexicon makes it unlikely linguists will ever solve the question of what Gojoseon,Yemaek,Buyeo,Sam Han spoke,their relationship with each other and their affinity to Koreanic.

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>>2497961
How do you think about keyhole-tombs in South Korea?
Their distribution looks accord with where said to have been ancient counties belong to Yamato, named Okoshitari (上哆唎), Aroshitari (下哆唎), Sada (娑陀) and Muro(牟婁).

>>2497995
>How do you think about keyhole-tombs in South Korea?
I think the tombs show that the indigenous Mahan confederacy maintained intercourse with the Japanese polities.

I don't have a strong opinion of whether these tombs represent kinship ties,Japanese migrants/hegemony or local traditions.

>Yamato
I'm actually curious on how the various Japanese polities mentioned in the Chinese records(Wa,Na,Kuna etc.) became the unified,centralized Yamato polity by the Nara period.

Unfortunately,none of the primary Korean sources survive and Nihon Shoki,Kojiki etc. should be taken with a pinch of salt.

>>2497804
Why cant Nips permanently conquer Korea? Why is it so hard?

>>2498071
Rough terrain and distance. To rule Korea you actually need to be in Korea; maintaining communication lines from Japan (or even China) is tough.

>>2498060
According Nihonshoki, King Dongseong of Baekje (refered as his true name 末多 Mata) had been a hostage of Yamato.
When former king Samgeun's death, Emperor Yuryaku returned Mata with 500 soldiers of Chikushi (Northern Kyushu).
In addition, there were some Baekje officials with Wa ethnicity, who belonged to 紀 Ki and 巨勢 Kose clans.
Baekje had some presence of Japonic people.

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>>2498144
>
> 末多
>紀
> 巨勢

Why do Asians still both with their ineffective and obsolete writing styles?

>>2498144
>Baekje had some presence of Japonic people.
Agreed,though whether those Japonic speakers were local inhabitants or a back migration from Japanese polities is anyone's guess.

Japonic may have ultimately originated in coastal China before it arrived to the Korean pensinual.
http://www.academia.edu/7869241/Out_of_Southern_China

Ultimately,Koreanic displaced all other language families by the Sillan unification while Japonic displaced unknown language families descended from the Jomon.

The unsolved mystery is whether Koreanic already had a presence during the Sam Han period or it came with Buyeo related Goguryeo/Baekje aristocrats.

>>2498071
Just conquering was easy, to keep ruring was hard.
Not to be settle but to be kept as safe harbour for trading, that is good strategy to manage Korea.
Much of the rulers of Mimana (they called ”ニリム Nirimu”, the word regarded as ancester of Korean honorific suffix 님 nim) recorded in the Japanese chronicle, had names which not likely Japanese or proximate to the names of Silla's kings.

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>>2498160
Shalom

>>2498160
So you'll have to learn it to fap to obscure doujin that'll never get translated.

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>>2498197
On the contrary, it can be thought that Japonic originated from the Japanese Archipelago.
Because Korea had been almost uninhabited until 7,000 years ago and first settler of the peninsula were people with Jomon culture.

>>2498238

Sure, that's why the symbol of Imperial China is the dragon.

I don't think this is a case of Korea once being Japanese until the evil Goguryeans poured out of the steppes like the Mongols and brutally conquered everything. It is more likely the cultural connections are due to Korea colonizing Japan and their relationship was more an alliance.

>>2498288
Not colonizer,
But refugee by the war.

>>2498210
>Just conquering was easy
Yet Japan only did it once.

>>2498317
Modern technology like telegraph and radio made it possible.
In the ancient time, to possess means to save one's land and people from their enemies and to be payed tribute as it's repayment.

>>2498262
>On the contrary, it can be thought that Japonic originated from the Japanese Archipelago.
If Japonic originated in the Japanese archipelago then it wouldn't be typologically "Altaic".

Japonic is genetically unrelated to the Ainuic languages.

The Mumun and Yayoi cultures are the most likely candidate for proto Japonics.

>Uniparental markers
The shared autosomal ancestry between Koreans and Japanese are the result of a southern Chinese/southeast Asian population mixing with indigenous populations. http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/2/e1601877.full

The Japanese are only 18% Jomon,with the Jomon population contributing far more to paternal ancestry(50%+)
http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v60/n10/full/jhg201579a.html

>Because Korea had been almost uninhabited until 7,000 years ago and first settler of the peninsula were people with Jomon culture.
Koreans for the most part lack D1b M64.1,C1a1 M8 while the Japanese receive O1b2 M176,O2a2b1 M134,O2a1c 002611 etc. from continental populations.

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>>2498366
>If Japonic originated in the Japanese archipelago then it wouldn't be typologically "Altaic".
If Altaic features originated from around Japan?
Old Japanese had more primitive vowel harmony system than Turkic, Mongol and Tungus.
Ancient earthenware from nearby Amur river looks very similar to Jōmon pottery.

>>2498301
That seems unlikely to me. If they found new land to farm rice that would be enough to prompt them to move there.

>>2498410
>If Altaic features originated from around Japan?
The "Altaic" sprachbund most likely originated around Mongolia/Manchuria.

My guess is neolithic cultures from Liaoning influenced the native Koreanic/Japonic populations.

>Ancient earthenware from nearby Amur river looks very similar to Jōmon pottery.
Paleosiberians are genetically different from the Jomon and other East Asians.

>>2498433
There aren't any evidence of Yayoi culture come from out of the islands.
Breeds of rice were from south; Shape of stone knives were from the north; Names of the crops were not related with any existing languages.

>>2498449
>Paleosiberians are genetically different from the Jomon and other East Asians.
If white man became weeaboo and able to speak Japanese, does he become genetically same with the yellows?

>>2498466
>If white man became weeaboo and able to speak Japanese, does he become genetically same with the yellows?
What?

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>>2498449
>The "Altaic" sprachbund most likely originated around Mongolia/Manchuria.
Y-DNA haplogroups says it's not likely.
C3 originated in the Japanese Archipelago, came through Siberia to Central Asia and gone west.

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>>2498488
C2 M217 has nothing to do with C1a1 M8 which split with European C1a2 M20

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