Does the "goody" attitude actually bring fruits? Is

People do not respect goodwill. People shit on goodwill.

Humans strive for their well-being one way or another.

>>2495092
History has proven that people want all the benefits of freedom without the responsibility. It has also proven that people don't like to be told the truth, even those..no, ESPECIALLY those who say they do want it.

So the best way to govern is to give the illusion of freedom while in reality a heavy handed approach is implemented, but given flowery names for oppressive systems and giving people choices that they'll be glad to have, but will never use out of sheer apathy.

People want to do as little as possible and get a cookie for it.

>>2495098
But how do you explain then, that the most advanced civilization that created the modern world is all about "being good and helping others" now? There has to be some correlation there

>>2495092
you know how rome used to be a republic?

>>2495111
Real freedom isn't given, it is won.
>>2495115
What fantasy world are you living in? What advanced civilization?

its just a result of women voting

>>2495127
Western civilization

>>2495123
It was an oligarchic republic like most of other states back then, that still doesn't prove any correlation between democracy and success.

>>2495115
Which civilization? If you meant Britain, I agree.

>>2495150
So Britan has been all about "being good and helping the others"?
There isn't such great civilization.

>>2495156
West nowadays is all about being good

Yet they were the civilization that conquered the world and brought all the inventions of modern age

>>2495160
If you think nations, or civilizations for that matter, run on emotions, then you should seriously rethink your life.

>>2495164
I don't think that, but there are correlations between the cultural mindset and the accomplishments of a civilization. I am just asking if there is a correlation between the success of West and their nowadays "goody two-shoes" attitude

>>2495092
>Is there any actual historical proof that letting everyone be free, welfare, anti-racism etc., actually pays off?
They're according to OECD better places to live in compared to those that's not.

>>2495137

The Western World can afford to be all nice andsweet and giving now, because it's built on about 400 years of being absolute screaming bellends to everyone else.

>>2495183
Yeah people tend to have better life when 50% of all human effort is put just to "help others", but is there any practical advantage?

Like, if two nations would be rivals, and one would be all about helping, and the other about being macho alpha, which one would win (given hundreds of years of combat, its clear who would win in open evenly-matched battle)

>>2495182
No, you didn't mention the West anywhere in your OP. Your question can be summed up to "why aren't we allowed to be racist anymore, fucking niggers".

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>>2495137
>he says as bombs are dropped, people are abducted and tortured, and the lives of millions are toyed with like pawns by western civilization

>>2495193
see south and north korea. doesn't take hundreds of years.

>>2495160
Exactley and nowadays it's dying.
Britain isn't a "Great civilization" now, it's a secondary class nation.

>>2495115
this current ideology didn't create the western world, it was a product out of it, weak men create hard times which creates strong men isn't a meme, the lack of experience created this mess, instead of using realistic policies the west have used ideological policies, the mass migration of primitive peoples into Europe is an example as it has rarely went well for the receiving end when a bunch of young primitive peoples migrates to civilized peoples, see the prelude of the toman gothic wars, the goths fled from the warriors of the east and entered rome as refugees due to ideological policies of rome

the west will either go full reichmode again and genocide/deport the primitives or it will eventually turn into a brazil/south africa tier of crime, the german statista statistics bureau showed that migrants from africa/middle east has a 20-30 times higher crime rate compared to germans