So /his/, who was the worst? By any and all metrics I mean,

Hitler

hitler, germany wasn't even a thing anymore by the time he was done. the other two had their share of fuck-ups, but at least their countries didn't disappear.

>>2492647
Why? Both Mao and Stalin individually killed more civilians.

By what metric is he worse?

>>2492648
Does this mean that his decision to go to war alone was the reason he's a worse leader?

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Reminder that Hitler managed to fix Germany's economy in a very short while, so by that metric he is not the worst leader.
Sadly a polish attack on a german radio station forced him to act in self defence and kill 11 million jews.

>>2492658
Killing more citizens doesn't mean much when you realize china and the ussrs populations were bigger than Germany's

Plus all meaning aside. The axis powers started WW2

>>2492643
How was Hitler bad? He tried to save Germany from the jews who conquered Russia Britain and USA.

He is only remembered as a bad guy because he lost

>>2492678
What if you remove the whole "starting WW2" thing.

If you look at the turnaround of the German economy then he and his cronies did a good job.

I mean his complete missmanagement of his forces in WW2 aside he must've been at least a competent leader.

Russia always has been a complete shithole, surely that makes Stalin the worst leader.

>>2492672
>kill 11 million jews.

It's supposedly 11 million alltogether including slavs you jewish rat

>>2492658

Hitler killed other countries civilians, which makes him worse than any leader who killed their own.

Mao and Stalin arguably made their countries stronger, though at great human cost.

Hitler would've made Germany stronger, but he went full retard with the Russia thing. Had he not just focused on attriting Britain, Hitler could've made Germany a truly lasting empire.

>>2492685
The only thing i can see Hitler doing wrong is not killing all the jews in 1933.

>>2492678
>Hitler, invade Poland and we'll fight you, so just don't do it ok? We've been lenient with you abandoning all the agreements of the Treaty of Versailles, annexing the Sudetenland when we told you not to, and everything else - so just do as we say this time.
>Hitler invades Poland

In what way was it the allies fault?

I'm assuming you're not stupid enough to think that America joining the war was not the allies fault, but...

>>2492690
what? why?
>if we kill our enemies they win
if that you Trudeau?

>>2492690
>killed other countries civilians, which makes him worse than any leader who killed their own.

Killing your own people is far worse.

>>2492685
>What if you remove the whole "starting WW2" thing.
truly absurd considering it is the cornerstone of his legacy

>
If you look at the turnaround of the German economy then he and his cronies did a good job.
people still believe this meme? the german economy was headed straight into a crisis until the war allowed them to feed it with more plunder

>Russia always has been a complete shithole, surely that makes Stalin the worst leader.
stalin markedly improved the soviet union despite the purges and the war. i mean really dude, this is basic shit.

>>2492643
Hitler > Stalin > Mao

>>2492643
Both Hitler and Stalin were heroic men of power, truly great warrior-poets.

Mao was a bureaucrat and an effeminate intellectual, a worthless bugman for the bugman age.

>>2492643
Hitler because he lost.

Interesting as you assume so fast that they 3 were bad. Obviously projecting your fucking ideology, fucking libtard.

Stalin

>>2492690
>who are the kulaks?
>what was the holodomor?

Yeah Stalin killed plenty of other nations peoples.

>>2492786
>holodomor was stalins fault
Not this meme again

>>2492767
>2 literal commies
>libtard

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>>2492844
>Stalin
>liberal

>>2492672
A war economy is not a fixed economy, bruv.

>>2492701
From the viewpoint of the other countries, I'd disagree

>>2492685
>If you look at the turnaround of the German economy then he and his cronies did a good job.
An unstable economic turn around that required war and plunder to continue functioning?

>>2492827
>implying it isn't

We get it. You have autism

Worst people list
>Stalin
>Hitler
>Mao
>Tojo
>King Leopold II
>Pol Pot
>Enver Pasha (The three Pashas)

Hitler took a fully industrialized and developed country and left it in ruins. Stalin and Mao objectively had it much harder, they had to secure power during civil wars and internal conflicts, work their way through industrialization in backwards, agrarian countries, eliminate illiteracy, increase life expectancy and fight IJA and Wehrmacht invasions.

>>2492747
This is the only right answer

>>2492672
>complaining about anything when you get btfo in a world war
sucks to suck, he was a german too so cant blame him for being a sperg

Why is Hitler even in this discussion? He wasn't bad at all.

>>2493358
Because the allies wrote the history books

>>2493358
>>2493366
back to /pol/

inb4 good goy/have a shekel shill

>>2493383
legitimately cannot tell if these spergs are just trolling or are actually straight up retarded

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Personally, i like vicous dictators that have class

>>2493358
No, he wasn't bad. He just left Germany in ruins, destroyed half of Europe, starved several countries, looted and plundered all his neighbors and killed millions of people.

>>2493389
If you cannot hand the truth abot Hitler then get out of his.

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>>2493383
>waah waah /pol/

Only 1.5 million deaths can be attributed to Stalin. These were 700k for the terrors, a few hundred thousand as upper estimates to Gulag deaths during war time and forced deportations. He also went from feudalism to space in 30 years, Stalin could literally be the greatest human being to have lived.

Next to nothing can be attributed to Mao because the data on China's population was and remained so horrible until well into his rule. Mao could have killed 20 million in the Great Leap Forward, or he could have caused a net increase in the population. What's certain is he went from poorer than Africa to 10% GDP growth every year for 30 years. Now thanks to his work China uncucked itself from a century of humiliation. There is nothing false about without Mao the new China wouldn't be possible.

Hitler killed and furthermore intended to kill 34 million civilians who had nothing to do with anything, that is within his country and without. Apart from that however Germany made a lot of technological breakthroughs. To the point that it's difficult to believe. Of course it was soon overshadowed when USSR and USA got a hold of their technology. He also lost which makes him a failure.

History should see Hitler as the worst, Stalin as the best and Mao as having pulled together one of the most difficult tasks of all time. Doing as much as he did for 1 Billion people puts him into unmeasurable status.

>>2493443
But was Britain who started the war

>>2493443
So, just like Stalin did?

>>2493453
i'm a tankie: the post

>>2493446
>hitler dindu nuffin
>But I'm not from /pol/ guys!!!

>>2493358
Effectively murdered the only fully European world power out of a feeling of insecurity about the ability of Germany to become relevant despite having numerous technological advances being made during a war that had no reason to be fought other than blind expansionism, effectively resulting in his nation getting triple fucked by the three major world powers, one of which was previously interventionist, and the other being on his fucking side, absolutely terrible leader.

>>2493472
feels > evidence: the post

>>2493483
The planned mass starvations in ukraine alone amount to quite a bit more than 1,5m

>>2493483
>facts
>35 Million deaths

Kek

>>2493454
I'm sure they did, poor Hitler just wanted Czechoslovakia, the Baltics, Poland and Russia for free.
>>2493460
No, just like Hitler did.

>>2493473
Not that guy but I'm of the same opinion as he is and I never go on /pol/, I just browse /tg/ and whatever shows up on 4chan's first page (so, never /pol/).

Call me a normy, but Hitler. Hitler was on meth, he believed in meme conspiracy theories, he was nuts. Stalin and Mao were at least tempered through war and power politics

>>2493526
I mean, Hitler was just a messenger during the war, he was a pure politician when he started to gain power.

>>2493522
Why are you on /his/ if you're so historically illiterate?

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>>2493517
Are you implying the Russians didn't destroy half of Europe (and oppress for almost half a century), didn't starve several countries didn't loot their neighbourgs, and didn't kill millions?

Stalin, he was literally Hitler.

>>2493517
>poor Stalin just wanted Finland, the Baltics, Poland and the rest of Eastern-Europe for free

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>>2493383
>>2493473

>>2493606
You have to make an argument first

>>2493554
Why are you desperate to change the subject? I was talking about Hitler and his fuckups, not Stalin and his fuckups.
>>2493591
>stalin = hitler lol

And again.

Seriously feels like I'm arguing with teenagers.

>>2493617
How is pointing out that Stalin managed to be even worse than Hitler changing the subject?
Not saying that Hitler dindu nuffin, but Stalin is the clear winner here

>>2493616
i'm not the one who started with the ad hominem

>>2493647
how on earth is stalin the winner here? he fucked up a lot but still managed to transform the soviet union from agrarian backwater to superpower with 25 years. hitler took germany from primary european power to literally not even existing. i mean you really have to fuck up for your country to literally be gone from the map. dude didn't shoot himself out of glee.

>>2493666
>saying that Hitler isn't bad is making a valid argument
I wasn't the one "pretending" to be retarted.

>>2493680
>Yeah, is justified that you kill your own people if you win war and shiet

>>2492643
Mao
He was literally Hitler

>>2493680
Bruh he had a seven or even eight digit body count before the war even started
The rest of your post is basically saying: "Stalin wasn't that bad because he won the war"
thanks for pointing that out to me

>>2493692
not a tankie numbnuts, all three are various levels of bad. most people don't even know how bad mao was outside of the memes. that said, you have to ignore a LOT to see hitler as anything other dead last by several miles.

>>2493705
it isn't "stalin wasn't that bad" it's "stalin wasn't the bad compared to hitler", there is a thing called nuance you know. and yeah he probably up to a seven digit body count(8 is just meme territory), but at least with him you can point to something as an accomplishment. he left something behind.

i mean for fuck's sake, the only arguments for hitler are point out how bad others were. he's so fucking scant of accomplishments(can't name any) that you have to point to the failures of others, great sign of a loser.

>>2493688
I wasn't the one that only uses insults as arguments

>>2493729
Maybe make an argument first then we can have an argument. Explain why you think Hitler "wasn't bad at all" then maybe we can have an argument.

>>2493723
You totally ignored how Germany improved from 1933 to 1939.
>inb4 it wasn't sustainable etc
maybe that's true, but that's besides the point
You could argue that Hitler was a war happy maniac which is also true, but so was Stalin
So it all boils down to "He lost the war so therefore he's more evil"

>>2493733
Just pointing out that the history lessons we were given were written by the allies, so that the "evilness" of Hitler, or the nazi's in general compared to others has to taken with a grain of salt

>>2493765
That's far different than saying Hitler "wasn't bad at all"

>>2493765
>history lessons we were given

nigga this is /his/, do you learn history from high school textbooks?

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>>2492937
>A war economy is not a fixed economy
*looks at america*

>>2493769
i am >>2493366

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>>2492937
The economy was fixed before wartime, that's the point

>>2493752
>maybe that's true, but that's besides the point
it really, really isn't. either way, germany improving from 1933 to 1939 is a bit irrelevant in light of it being bombed to shit due to a war that hitler started.

>So it all boils down to "He lost the war so therefore he's more evil"
no it doesn't, that's just you trying to shoehorn that view in. this isn't even a moral argument either, OP says any and all metrics, including and beyond the moral dimension. and hitler is a stunning failure on all fronts. it isn't losing that makes him evil, it's losing in such a dramatic fashion that makes him markedly worse than the others.

>>2493787
guarantee you 2/3rds if not more of the board gets their info from a combination of high school textbooks, TV specials, meme infographics, and selective wikipedia articles.

>>2493797
Okay? Hitler was still shitty and deserving of being in this thread even if high school history books portray him as being the devil incarnate.

>>2493807
again your only argument is that Hitler is worse because he lost

>>2493821
and? leading your country to a firery ruin and being wiped off the map isn't an abject failure?

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>>2493807
>hitler was the worst because drugs affected his decision-making

>>2493826
Being a failure doesn't make you more evil. Is Stalin more evil because his blunder of purging his militairy top directly resulted in the death of milions?
In a war he is also partially responsible for

>>2493803
No it wasn't. Hitler's debt was massive and Schacht warned him that Germany would be bankrupt by the early 1940s if he continued that way. The Reichsbank reserve was exhausted and Germany was already having food shortages by the late 1930s. You call that fixed?

>>2493842
>Being a failure doesn't make you more evil.
this meme again. read the OP, it says any and all metrics. is that so hard to understand? you just keep bringing up the moral argument because that is the only slim possibility to equate hitler with the others. pretty transparent dude.

>>2493832
what are you even going on about?

>>2493847
look at the guy behind that quote, hans schmidt. do you think the anon you arguing gives two shits about economics beyond whatever supports his talking point?

>>2493852
>claims hitler to be the worst
>doesn't even know why he was the worst
*closes the thread*

>>2493852
As you say, if the death/destruction of your own people is a good measure to point out how bad you were, then Mao is the winner by a very wide margin, followed by Stalin and then Hitler

>>2493865
stay stupid, my friend.

>>2493857
Yeah, I guess not

>>2493483
Give us some real academic sources for your communist drivel.

>>2492690
uhm excuse me? I consider it way more of a fumble to murder your own people.

you realize the US has some good civilian killstreaks going, don't you?

>>2493878
>As you say, if the death/destruction of your own people is a good measure
no, i didn't say that. i said when your nation literally gets wiped off the map, you fucked up epically. this is you, yet again, pushing some arbitrary standard put putting words in my mouth.

>>2493904
Can you point out out the USSR on the map for me please?

>>2492643
Marx.

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>>2493908
>being this retarded

>>2492685
Why would you remove WW2? The Axis (The 3rd Reich to be specific) started the bloodiest conflict ever. Hitler is, without a doubt, the worst psychopath on that picture. Stalin brought a lot of good things to his country.

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>>2492690
>implying the allies didn't cause the death of a million+ civilians

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>>2493937

>>2493934
What if someone told you Stalin also invaded Poland?

>>2492643
Hitler for starting WW2. And let's not forget that he lost. Millions more would have been killed if he won.

>>2493952
So what? He didn't start WWII when he did that. A lot less Poles died because of that invasion and Stalin stopped right there. The only other war that Stalin initiated was the Winter war and that one was not nearly as bloody as Hitler's endeavours

>>2493945
oversimplifying things like that is misleading, though. Millions of Soviets' deaths were not caused by the axis

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>>2493989
>So what? He didn't start WWII when he did that
>The UK declares war on Germany but not on the USSR for doing the same thing, therefore it's Germany's fault

>A lot less Poles died because of that invasion
>o-our invasion was less bloody than yours!
>Katynn was just banter brah, nothing to worry about

>and Stalin stopped right there
why didn't he after WWII eh?

>The only other war that Stalin initiated was the Winter war and that one was not nearly as bloody as Hitler's endeavours
It was for the Soviets when comparing the casualties with what was actually achieved


tankies gonna tankie

>>2494028
Are you seriously telling me that Soviets lost as many soldiers in the Winter war as Htiler did in WW2? Are you retarded? By the way, not everyone who finds your meme opinions is tankie.

>>2494036
>Finland has the same military strenght as Germany
That's why i said compaired to with what was achieved
What was it again, over 150k dead Ruskies and 300k total casualties in return for a piece of frozen wasteland?

Hitler started WWII because the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.

>>2493606
>posting Stefan Mommyissues
not an argument

Stalin

Hitler was a good person at heart at least

Hitler was the worst because his genitalia and poop issues should have kept him out of power in the first place.

Seriously, who in the hell would have willingly called him their Fuhrer had they been made aware that he'd shat himself as an adult or that his genitalia was abnormal?

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Baby Adolf on Saturday, April 20, 1889? Maybe his butthole didn't form normally and that's why he couldn't always hold his farts and poop.

Why didn't someone do something about him before he came into power?

Why was such an unusual person allowed to do all that he did? How could they allow him to be their leader without knowing what kind of genitals he had?

And why did his voice go so deep if he wasn't completely male?

>>2492937
The US war time economy is what got them out of the great depression at last. FDR's New Deal had a great impact sociologically but it did not counter the depression economically in such a way. The war did.