Are Eastern Bloc defectors considered a good source on the activies

>>2489356
>inb4 leftypol and pol turn this into a shit thread

You have to take it on a case by case basis.

In the case of the first, you can look at the rise of FARC in Colombia as the Soviet Union's role in cocaine production. Soviets and other communist countries backed the rise of FARC, which sparked the growth of a drug trade as FARC needed more funds, which also sparked a backlash of right wing paramilitaries. Soon, both sides were heavily organized in coke trafficking, but there were clear political differences between right wingers like Carlos Castaño/Los Pepes and left wingers like Pablo Escobar.

About the others I'm not too familiar. I personally believe the second one and the fourth one and I don't know jack shit about the third. But my only evidence is through the philosophy of cultural marxism, which makes it likely that the second and fourth claim are true, but I don't have the necessary facts to back them up like I did for the first one.

>>2489356
>>2489379
Sorry, I meant to say that I personally believe the second and third one, and know nothing about the fourth. The fourth seems like a really interesting claim though, does anyone have any more information on it?

>>2489379
Cultural Marxism is a right-wing meme. It means absolutely nothing.

>>2489356
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benno_Ohnesorg

>>2489379
>right wingers
>los pepes

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>>2489395
It means the tradition of Western Marxism that emphasized the importance of the superstructure and the role of intellectuals for the revolutionary movement.

What else would you call this intellectual tradition that includes the work of Lukacs, Gramsci, Marcuse and Laclau?

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>>2489379

>Los Pepes

>>2489408
>Carlos Castaño
>Autodefensas Campesinas de Cordoba y Uraba
>not right wing

Carlos Castaño and his two brothers founded ACCU to retaliate when his father, Jesus, was murdered by FARC militants. The Castaños were also the founders of Los Pepes.

ACCU would then become a founding member of Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC), which was organized under Castaño's leadership.

>>2489356
>health, medicare
>enfeeble masses
What?

>>2489395
This: >>2489427

I expressed skepticism to the theory at first, but is there any reason for those left wing theories? Additionally, assuming cultural marxism doesn't exist and economic leftism and has nothing to do with social leftism, why do so many left-wing parties reject social conservatives? Virtually no left wing parties right now use religious appeals to groups like Evangelicals. The Democrats in the United States aren't reaching out to Hispanics on platforms of family values, despite Hispanics being very religious in both the Protestant and Catholic demographics.

I'm not even fully sold on cultural marxism, I'm just curious to see what your counter-argument to it is.

>>2489447
It references the shitty health care system. Regardless of your stance on health care reform, it's an objective economic fact that health insurance premiums would be cheaper if you allowed insurers to compete across state lines. Would that help drive down the cost of pharmaceutical drugs that are at the heart of the problem? No, but the fact that this kind of ban exists is just referencing government activity in the private sector hindering affordable health care.

I think that Medicare specifically in that sense would less so refer to Medicare as it exists currently and more so to how Bernie spoke about Medicare for all in his debate with Ted Cruz.

>>2489427
Why would you call it a cultural Marxism in the first place? It's a name made up by the right-wing, they never used it themselves.
Call it Western Marxism if you must. And let's not forget that many of them were very critical of the Soviet Union.

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>>2489385
Basically, Golitsyn claimed in his books "New Lies for Old" and "The Perestroika Deception" that the Sino-Soviet split was a communist subterfuge to make the U.S. support China in order to counter the Soviet Union, while the two countries remained allied in secret.

There is no evidence other than his words, though some people in right-wing circles claim the relations between Russia and China after the end of the Soviet Union prove Golitsyn was "right".

>>2489430
I never made that connection lmao

>>2489463
Wait, who's keeping insurers from competing across state lines, the left wing or the right? This seems like one of those issues that both are responsible for in some fashion.
That is assuming that the picture is trying to equate communist subversion with the left wing.

>>2489451
What theory? There is no theory. Western Marxists were a group of intellectuals influenced by Marx. They weren't a collective and often disagreed with each other on the most fundamental questions.

>>2489466
Few people have ever used the term "neoliberal" applying to themselves. Heck, before the 1950s, few people even used the term "capitalist" this way. Both of these terms were created by the left-wing to describe phenomenoms they opposed, the same way the right-wing is doing regarding Cultural Marxism.

The name Western Marxism doesn't work that well because not all Western Marxists during this period applied all that importance to the superstructure. Ex: Louis Althusser.

>>2489479
Except it's not all right-wing but rather alt-right, borderline neo-Nazi parties created this term. It's nothing more but a conspiracy theory. They just don't want to use the term cultural bolshevism because of its clear connotation with a murderous NSDAP regime.

>>2489356

These men may have well BELIEVED they were truly correct while simply being let go for other purposes. You really think THE kgb would let a legit threat fly so easy?

4D chess

Intelligence agencies are so compartmentalized, meticulously locked by layers upon layers of "classified" and "need to know basis only". Most ground operatives barley know the overarching points of what they are doing and why let alone any other task forces. Not to mention the higher ups have to wilfully keep themselves ignorant of what ground ops does so active missions aren't compromised. Its a fucking complete mess and 90% of the time no one really knows what the hell is going on.

Only time will tell and even then it probably won't.

>>2489443
God give rest to his heroic soul

But why woudl you rely on defectors in firist place? Its not 1983, the communist block is no more, you can just research in these countriesthemtselves.

>>2489494
>It's nothing more but a conspiracy theory.

It isn't though. It's quite clear that the 68'ers wanted to infiltrate and change social institutions within capitalist societies, as an alternative to instill class consciousness by shock therapy through election of a Communist Party.

Rudi Dutschke famously said that in order to destroy Western capitalism and bourgeois culture, they had to "walk a Long March through society's institutions".

Using the word "Cultural Marxism" isn't correct, but it's quite clear that what is meant by the content of that word, is true to some extent.

>>2490969
>infiltrating something you can already join as a citizen
Lol whut

>>2490985
>infiltrate AND CHANGE

Do you suffer from reading comprehension?

>>2490991
infiltrate implies that the 68ers were not allowed to join the government in the first place which is odd to me.

I know what you mean by charge in the sense that they wanted to reform it from within

>>2489385
>>2489427
>I believe that the KGB engineered liberation theology and 60's counter culture because western European Marxist and post-marxist intellectuals emphasized the importance of the superstructure
wat

>>2489451
Leftism does concern itself with cultural issues. It promotes the autonomy and liberty of the common person, against economic domination and cultural domination. It dates back to the utopian socialists that imagined new ways of life that broke the traditional order, decades before Marx countered that economy was the main issue. The left had problems with the church before it had problems with the capitalists.

Because of that basic antitraditionalist principle, and because of that history, leftwing parties indeed don't try to rely on religion.
That being said
>democrats
>left wing

>>2491023
Well the reason the word "infiltrate" is used is because they had a political mission.

If the only reason you're joining an institution is because you want to change it ideologically and politically, it's obviously infiltration.

>>2491035
>If the only reason you're joining an institution is because you want to change it ideologically and politically, it's obviously infiltration.
That is Reform desu

>>2491066
Yeah, I'm sure you would say the same thing it if it was a bunch of Nazis that did it.

>>2491105
Yes I would?

>>2491109
Are you seriously going to argue that if there was 40 to 1 Nazis at universities in America, this would constitute "reform" ?

>>2491035
So trump infiltrated the us presidency ? That's a stupid definition.
Infiltration implies concealment.

>>2490969
> It's quite clear that the 68'ers wanted to infiltrate and change social institutions within capitalist societies, as an alternative to instill class consciousness by shock therapy through election of a Communist Party.
No it's not. First because the alternative you describe is a nonsensical scenario no one planned for : the election of a communist party can only be the consequence of a rise in class consciousness and not the cause.
Second because most 68'ers did not even try to infiltrate institutions. A lot of them got regular jobs, and sometimes, when they had the leeway to do so, they applied their political ideas, same as every human does in a democracy. They didn't hide or conspirate to destroy capitalist society by those means. On the other hand, capitalist society recycled some of these ideas into nonrevolutionnary politics and practices, but then again it was a mostly accidental process.

>>2491135
I thought we were talking about people joining government to change it from within?

>>2491137
So why are universities overwhelmingly liberal left in North-America? Do you honestly think it's just a coincidence that 68ers had that mission statement, and now universities are, depending on what discipline, swamped with leftists?

>>2491153
Because science and humanities are liberal.

>>2491158
how so?

>>2491164
Reality is liberal.

>>2491153
Universities are "swamped" with liberals because intelligent liberals are attracted to this environment and to these disciplines, while intelligent conservatives are more attracted to private business.
If liberals really wanted to take power that way, they would concentrate on law and criminology departments and business schools. When they join sociology departments, they just follow their personal interests.

Also, 68ers had a huge lot of divergent mission statements. Changing the system from within was not the dominant one, far from it.

>>2491180
how so?