New historical movie titled "Hannibal: The Conqueror&qu

WE

WUZ

ROMANZ

Starring Samuel L. Jackson

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>>2469349
>WEWUZed rome into trojans

Except there's genetical evidence for Mediterraneans to have a huge part of their ancestry derived from Neolithic and Chalcolithic Anatolia.

This will definitely be a We Wuz

The guy who is writing and directing it is a black who has made other We Wuz movies. Also when he was in College he was accused of raping a girl who later committed suicide

>>2469333
>In the second century B.C., a supremely gifted young black soldier rises to command the Carthaginian army, raises and leads an army of sixty thousand soldiers and eleven elephants on an historic charge over the Alps
You have got to be fucking kidding me...I've always wanted a Hannibal movie too.

>>2469360
hahaha holy shit
they actually believe this

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>>2469333
Nate Parker will be directing:

>In the second century B.C., a supremely gifted young black soldier rises to command the Carthaginian army, raises and leads an army of sixty thousand soldiers and eleven elephants on an historic charge over the Alps, surprises the Roman Army with a series of unforgettable defeats, and fills the hearts of Romans with a sense of terror that outlives the man himself. Hannibal goes on to live four lives: soldier, commander, King, and fugitive.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4175844/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_1


WE WUZ KANGS AND SHIEEEEEET NIGGA

>>2469353
Virgil's Aeneid was pro-octavian propaganda to give a worthy backstory to the roman empire. It was wewuzism at its finest. The fact much of ALL mediterranean culture came from anatolia doesn't really have relevance.

>>2469369
>it's actually true
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2469369

That's hilarious and silly.

I find this almost offensively stupid, yet a part of me can't help looking forward to seeing the /pol/ chimpout.

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AYO HOL UP SO UZ B SAYIN

>>2469369

Hopefully they make him gay as well to give inspiration to the gay, black community.

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WE

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>>2469372
But it's more reasonable to make the association of Roman = Trojan than Phoenician = nigger.

>>2469369
>>2469360
>>2469373
i thought you were joking

>>2469378
>offensively stupid
Hmm, that actually sums up my feelings almost exactly.

I'm not racist although i do dislike most aspects of black culture I'm perfectly capable of judging people as individuals but this...

The idiocy of it, the blatant dismissal of evidence in favor of some fantastical political narrative. For myself i do not categorize it as a near offense, it is flagrantly offensive in its stupidity.

>>2469333
>Nate Parker

AY YO HOL UP

>>2469395
>MY ANCESTOR

>>2469333
Isn't this Vin Diesel's Hannibal movie?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382731/

It seems like it. If I remember correctly he always wanted to the movie and the jews in Hollywood would not give him the money because they didn't think it would make any money.
I hope to hell it is at least entertaining.

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>>2469369
>"""Historical""" films

>>2469358
>it is a black who has made other We Wuz movie
Like what?
>>2469395
Now find me a white man who looks like Hannibal

>>2469417
>Like what?
Red tails

>>2469417
He would obviously be Mediterranean looking anon. Playing him as a nigger is seriously misleading.

>>2469420
>>2469417
also birth of a nation and the great debaters

>>2469420
I'm not seeing his name on writing, directing or producing. So try again

And at least that movie was based on an all black unit
>>2469421
Then find me an Mediterranean person who looks like Hannibal

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>>2469417

>>2469436
I'm not sure what you want to prove by naming these movies based on real events

And I'm only seeing his name as director, writer or producer on one of them. So try again
>>2469439
Nice fake picture, but good cosplay

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>>2469442
>fake picture

I don't even know what you are trying to say.
Also, here is an actual actor actually born in Africa who played Hannibal.
Note he wouldn't fit well in a rap video, unlike what WE WUZZers would want.

>>2469442
>your picture doesn't count

>>2469442
>This fact doesn't count
>also give me more (You)'s

>>2469333
>supremely gifted young black soldier rises to command the Carthaginian army

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
out of my /his/

>>2469458
Don't you get tired of stealing history?
Here is an actual HISTORY channel recreation of Hannibal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfIe9P13X8s
Note its not /pol/ memes, but HISTORY channel. With historians on there.

>>2469458
Even if we skip "black", its dumb.

>soldier rises
He was lord of the Iberian colony. The guy was a straight up kang. He had the silver mines making him rich, thats how he afforded the army.

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>>2469360
>>2469369
God damn it, because of the history channel portraying Hannibal as black and now this, most uneducated normies will think that Carthaginians were sub-Saharan Africans.

>>2469415
>Vin Diesel Hannibal movie


If he rides an elephant into battle then im in.

>>2469474

This isn't true.

Hannibal was a slave from Africa that earned his release by saving his master's daughter from an attack by bandits who then earned his way to the top despite the racial prejudice endemic in Carthaginian society.

>>2469486
As a berber that actually piss me of a lot.

>>2469398
The Anatolian Neolithic settlement of the Italian peninsula came thousands of years before Troy ever existed.

>>2469490
No, actually Hannibal was an African revolutionary from Corsica, who fought against the autocratic dictatorship there. He was later hired in the Carthaginian army, where he took paid leaves every other week, whored around, and only advanced in the ranks because every other capable general was either killed or on the other side of the civil war. Then he crowned himself emperor of France and conquered Moscow, and started the Black Panthers movement there. But the Russians couldn't handle him having sex with all their women, so they threw him out, and invaded Ukraine. This is why Trump should be impeached and we should march out and reclaim our history.

For Hannibal! Ha Mocквy!

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WE WUZ EVERYTHING

I bet they would portrait Roman as evil white oppressors, and black Hannibal will march to Rome and massacred all of evil whiteys

>>2469465
0/10 bait.

>>2469448
>>2469450
I'm saying that the picture is obviously staged and photoshopped, can't you tell by the pixles?
>>2469486
Then prove them wrong
>>2469465
Obviously the writing depermant was not in communication with the visual department
>>2469503
Stage play
>>2469504
A show filled with Disney villains

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I quote liked this fresh look at the underrated African kingdom of Carthage. It lets the modern viewer ponder how much better things would be if lord Hannibal didn't show those Italian butchers mercy in waiting for them to surrender, and torched their decadent den of incest and pedophilia.

>>2469512
>Then prove them wrong
It's universally accepted in the academic community that Hannibal was a descendant of Phoenician aristocracy that settled in Cyrene. The burden of proof lies upon you.

>>2469504
>sir lanceroto
>black
hohoho

Berbers were black ya know.

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>>2469504
>Heimdallr is attested as possessing foreknowledge, keen eyesight and hearing, is described as "the whitest of the gods" and keeps watch for the onset of Ragnarök while drinking fine mead in his dwelling Himinbjörg, located where the burning rainbow bridge Bifröst meets heaven.
>the whitest of the gods

I ain't even mad, I like Idris Elba, but still.

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>>2469512
>Then prove them wrong
Find an accredited academic who thinks so

I mean, there's no evidence for it and lots of evidence to the contrary. There are still people living in the modern equivalent of Carthage, and they don't exactly look subsaharan.

>>2469519
And that bust that everyone keeps posting is not confirmed to be of Hannibal.

>>2469350
Only way a black Hannibal would be acceptable on the silver screen.

>>2469530
>Thor
>Blond
>>2469531
Because the Arabs showed up and replaced them all

>>2469527
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masinissa

And at one point the french national football team only had one white player, and he was a berber. So there we go.

>>2469391
Don't forget secular aswell.
No doubt they will play up the multicultural army as some huge societal advance which genius black Hanny came up with to defeat the vile and racist WHITE romans.

>>2469538
>Because the Arabs showed up and replaced them all
Yes, a conquest that involved about 10,000 soldiers, most of whom would've moved on to another area after the war was won, managed to replace a population of 5 million.

How does that, work, in your head? Even if every single Arab soldier had stayed in the Maghreb and married a Maghrebi woman, that wouldn't even have made a dent in the genetics of the area aside from some minor admixture around the coast.

We see this time and again. The modern day English aren't Anglo-Saxons, the modern day Egyptians aren't Arabs, the modern day Greeks aren't Turks. You can't replace a Old World large, settled population with a military conquest.

>black solider
>Hannibal
>black
Could we get any more wewuz?
I thought Hollywood agreed on making Egyptians white, can't that be applied to Phonecian from Tyre?

>>2469504
>fantasy character happens to be black

who fucking cares. im getting mad about hannibal here

>>2469538
>Because the Arabs showed up and replaced them all

Arabs were some of the least numerous peoples on the planet. Their land isn't conductive of large population growth.
In fact, they probably doubled their population after winning their early wars with the eastern roman empire and the persian empire.

>>2469551

Do you have any idea how many Maghrebi women a single Arab can impregnate?

Thousands.

>>2469562
This was during the most purest and ideologically driven islam period, you don't fuck and forget women.
You fuck, and marry them. And if you can't afford to buy them jewels and makeup, you lose the marriage and your house.

>History &
was a mistake

>>2469569
-Ish.
>>2469562
So these Arabs went on raping their way through Anatolia and North Africa until they outbred the locals but there's no documentation of that happening?
>>2469551
Idk man, the mongols did a pretty good job.

>>2469569

Rubbish.

The Arabs raped them and moved on unless they particularly liked one and wanted to marry them. This is fully in line with Islamic teaching directly from Mohammad.

Abu Marthan Al-Ghanawi narrated that: The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Use the defeated women as you will and care not for their needs" (Tirmdhi)

>>2469583
>So these Arabs went on raping their way through Anatolia and North Africa until they outbred the locals but there's no documentation of that happening?

Exactly.

>>2469333
A tunisian/lebanese actor would have fit the bill. But hollywood had to commission this movie to an afrocentricist.

>>2469613
>A tunisian/lebanese actor would have fit the bill
Like who?

>>2469616
Who cares if they're famous.
If failing that, find an arab american actor.
It can't be too hard.

The movie is going to look ridiculous with a black american actor. For the keks though, it's funny.

>>2469628
>black american actor.

Will Smith could play a good Hannibal. No one will notice that he is a nigga.

>>2469637

Jaden should have a part as well.

>>2469628
It's terrible. Normies even the somewhat educated ones will believe in this Afrocentric spin. The smarter the normie is the easier time he or she will find "evidence" to support him/her.
>hurrr durrr prove he wasn't black
>protip you can't

I am triggered so much.

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>africans are black

>In the second century B.C., a supremely gifted young black soldier rises to command the Carthaginian army, raises and leads an army of sixty thousand soldiers and eleven elephants on an
>supremely gifted young black soldier rises to command the Carthaginian army
>soldier rises to command the Carthaginian army
>black
>BLACK

>>2469586
but then the offspring would still be black and not whatever "colour scheme" the mediterraneans have

>check the IMDB page to see that /pol/tards are paranoid and there's not a single mention of Hannibal being black
>there is
Fuck. SJWs exist only to make /pol/tards look like they are right.

>>2469616
That guy that plays Gollum. I don't know if he is tunisian or lebanese, but he is middle eastern and fairly famous.
Rami Malek could fit the part as well, but he might be too young though.

>>2469721
Andy Serkis? That guy was born to an English mother and Armenian dad

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>>2469732
He looks semite/arab enough. What about Assaad Bouab? He is part french, so he is civilized enough to work with, is an experienced actor, and looks arab.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1492213/

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>>2469740
He has actually already played an arab stereotype and in historical setting movies.

>>2469740
Then get him on the role

But given Hollywoods track record with casting historical people then don't expect it. Need I remind everyone that they don't even have a main star yet?

Why would a Phoenician aristocratic family be black?

>>2469764
Why would you assume the general's family was native, when every other military leader was imported for money from elsewhere?

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>>2469777
Well, here's his dad

>>2469798
There is an artist's rendition of his dad that he never saw and made him look like a typical local guy*

Or do you think roman emperors all looked the same too?

>>2469333
Litterally Moloch worshipping nobility.

Lets see

>Made up leather armour
>Everyone has wrist bracers on for no reason
>Hannibal will be black or mixed obviously
>Romans will be portrayed as white, racist and evil
>Romans will wear lorica segmentata
>Hannibal will be portrayed as a freedom fighter underdog liberator
>Hannibals forces will be multiracial but 50% black
>All weapons will go straight through armour
>Hannibal will take part in front line combat

>>2469777
>Little is known about the origins or history of the Barca family prior to the Punic Wars. Quoting Tony Bath, "The Barca family, which originally came from Cyrene, was a powerful one but not at that time among the first families of Carthage". (Cyrene was in modern Libya).[2] Unfortunately Tony Bath omits references. Lance Serge states that Hamilcar's family was part of the landed aristocracy of Carthage.[3]

>>2469777

During the 3rd century BC, the Barcids comprised one of the leading families in the ruling oligarchy of Carthage.

After the fall of the great Phoenician city of Tyre to Alexander the Great in 332 BCE, those Tyrians who were able to escape fled to Carthage with whatever wealth they had. Since many whom Alexander spared were those rich enough to buy their lives, these refugees landed in the city with considerable means and established Carthage as the new centre of Phoenician trade. The Carthaginians then drove the native Africans from the area, enslaved many of them, and exacted tribute from the rest.

>>2469504
Once upon a time is about fictional characters, honestly i could give less of a fuck ebcause i watched that show and it's fucking garbage anyway, showing Hannibal as a blackman is a pretty blatant trike against history, and i wouldn't even mind that much if the actor was picked entirely based upon their merits, but the fact that it's in the script makes me think it's some stupid political point scoring.

I feel like the Jews should start getting pissed about this. I mean the Carthaginians were basically Israelites.

It would be quite hilarious to see a Victim-Race war between oppressed blacks and oppressed Jews over who is the biggest victim.

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>tfw you remember used to actually have proper discussion and sources for claims instead of just being /pol/'s little bitch

For the record, Hannibal was born in present day Tunisia. Now tell me which ethnicity-actors look best to portray this?
(Also the film isn't real if you do even a basic amount of research beyond the imdb page)

>>2469833
>Now tell me which ethnicity-actors look best to portray this?
Maghrebi Arabs?

>>2469815
>Romans will be portrayed as white, racist and evil
Well they where

>>2469839
Probably
I would've just taken north africans in general
But south americans and mixed-race ethnicities would work too

An actor like Donald Glover would work fine I think, but so would Benicio Del Toro (if he were younger) I reckon

>>2469821
>Quoting Tony Bath

Was Tony Bath a scribe during the war, or a modern day novelist trying to ship some books?

>>2469856
Well they were olive, xenophobic and imperialist. Not quite the same things.

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>>2469856
>Romans
>white

>>2469822
>During the 3rd century BC, the Barcids comprised one of the leading families in the ruling oligarchy of Carthage.

What primary source are you quoting?

>>2469856
White and male?

Good Lord. Get the rope. Kill whitey and penis.

Race and gender war when?

>>2469833
Tunis got arab'd, turk'd, french'd and so on.
It got whitewashed a lot throughout history.
It may have been different back in the day.

>>2469872
>implying, if anything, it wouldn't have been darker because whitey hadn't invaded yet
wew lad

>>2469551
Several Arab invasions over hundreds of years not just the orginal one

>black
NO
>poor
NO
>soldier
NO

ROYALTY
>His father Hamilcar Barca was the leading Carthaginian commander during the First Punic War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

>The Punics (from Latin pūnicus, pl. pūnici), also known as Carthaginians, were a people from Ancient Carthage in modern-day Tunisia, North Africa, who traced their origins to the Berbers and Phoenicians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punics

/THREAD

>>2469879
It would in fact be darker, thats my point.
Modern day Tunis is probably whiter than ye olden Carthage.

>>2469333
Man if I was Semitic or Berber this would seriously anger me.

>>2469880
It's still impossible. There's no genetic or sociological evidence for the original population being black.

>>2469883
my bad, I misread that
aye, agreed

>>2469872
Invasions don't significantly change the genetic makeup of a settled population. Look at England, Eygpt, Greece, France, etc.

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>>2469863
>>2469864

I guess Sylvester Stallone isn't white too? He has italian origin

>>2469856
>romans
>white

Nice lie, cracka.

>The no go area of popular fictionalized white bwoy history is that “the Aryans built Rome”. How true is this? No it is a damned lie!

>Was Rome a white Empire? Were the Romans white?

>The truth was that Rome was a multi-ethnic Empire. Any true scholar with the slightest mastery of classics will attest to this. Any one who has had to write a thesis on Rome in at the Doctoral level would not contest this truth.

>Rome as well as the entire southern and central and western Europe was built by aboriginal black Europeans sometimes called the mysterious Celts, NIGRI-LATINIS, the IBERIANS or the Maurs.

>Sometimes authors attribute the origin of Rome to Etruscans, or to Greeks or to Canaanites. It is generally acknowledged that those three powers were themselves basically multi-ethnic, and also that the Canaanites were singularly black and African in origin.

>And those gothic descendants have spent a thousand years, re-writing history, destroying monuments, burning books and libraries, in an attempt to hide the truth about themselves, and to usurp the majesty and excellence of the great black civilizations. They would trick the black children (the real owners of this world) into a life of complancency and surbodination, wherein they are unable to assert their legitimacy.

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>>2469802
>Or do you think roman emperors all looked the same too?
Yes, because Roman coinage portrayed the emperors as looking the same.

Fucking idiot.

You don't even have to look at Roman coinage. Looking at Carthaginian coinage you can see massive differences in how Hamilcar, Hasdrubal and Hannibal are portrayed. There's no reason to think that they looked dissimilar from their coinage portraits.

>>2469866

and what primary source are you quoting that says he was black?

>>2469896
Tunis wasn't just invaded for a few years. It was colonized by all of the people mentioned, including the Romans, which weren't mentioned.
So if we presume that Carthaginians were black for the sake of argument, modern Tunisians not being black is a bad counter argument - of course they wouldn't be black after several whiter-than-black empires colonized it.

>>2469913
I am not saying he is black, I am saying we don't know shit about him other than his name and the battles he fought.

>>2469491
I feel you. Im sick of black americans claiming north-african achievements as their own. And these are the same people who will then go on complaining about "cultural appropriation".

Why can't they just come to terms wih the fact that they never were as big and relevant as Europe, North Africa, India, China, Japan, Persia and Arabia ?

>>2469486
Fucking disgusting.

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>>2469901
Ok, thank you Tyrone. Now class lets move on to the next chapter.

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>>2469900

>no details online except for a publicly editable website
you cunts want to take the bait, don't you? This is like when /int/faggots roleplay that ridiculous rorkes are genuine, not just other euros being sockpuppets

>>2469942
There are interviews about the director wanting Vin Diesel to play.

>>2469942

IMDB isn't publicly editable.

>>2469958
But it is hackable by the Russians hackers(TM).

>>2469892
Who said they were black to begin with

>>2469919
How did the people back then describe people from carthage. That's what he looked like. If they were as dark as the ace of spades then we would know about it

>>2469946
>Vin Diesel
I thought there was a Hannibal movie with the rock coming out soon

>>2469978
Why do you assume he was from Carthage?

>>2470017
Hannibal?

Because his father was in charge of it.

>>2470025
His father was a general in the army, he wasn't in charge of anything other than hired mercenaries.
And the non-Barca generals that we know of are all foreigners, from Sparta, other Greeks, and even Romans.
So if anything, evidence should lead us to believe he is unlikely to be local. If he was, he'd be the exception.

>>2470017
Because his father was.

>>2469833
>(Also the film isn't real if you do even a basic amount of research beyond the imdb page)
Yeah, it's not mentionned anywhere outside of IMDB, and since anyone can make shit on IMDB it's probably just a well crafted bait.

>>2470035
Except for the fact the hamilcar fought against the mercenaries in the mercenary war

>>2470056
We have no reason to believe that, see the post above yours.

>>2470065
So was Naravas, a greek leading numidian mercenaries. Protip: not the whole army revolted, thus the war.

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>>2469369
>King,
The Carthaginians didn't have kings from 308 B.C. on. They were a Republic ruled by suffetes, which was basically the same as a consul in Rome.

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>>2470065
We also know that his family was from libya and they weren't black. Here is an ancient depiction off someone from libya

This has gone far enough. Why is literally everything having niggers shoved into it nowadays?

>>2470077
>We also know that his family was from libya
We don't. Post your historical sources.

>>2470086
We know he wasn't black. The barca family was either from libya or was part of the landed aristocracy. He wasn't black.

>>2470095
You continue to not provide primary sources to back up your claims.

>>2470104
Neither have you for saying he's black.

We do have ancient depictions of him.

>>2470104
where are your sources supporting the black Hannibal theory?

>>2469929
Yeah really. Isnt Africa being the origin of humanity and the fact that literally all people all over the world are descended from sub saharan africans enough to be proud of. Africa is harsh as fuck. Just surviving there is an acomplishment.

>>2470113
>>2470119
But I am not saying that at all. I am not making any claims. I am only telling you that your own claims are based on nothing.

We don't know who Hannibal is, who his family were, where they come from, or how they look.
We have a few depictions on coins, but they are conflicting, showing him very different in the different coins. Also we have a roman statue, made much later, by people who haven't seen him. It looks like a roman, unsurprisingly.

>>2470127
There's no reason to think that he didn't look like a typical North African/Phoenician/Libyan.

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>black hannibal
>black scipio

>>2470127
We can make a pretty good guess based on Carthaginians. They weren't Sub-Saharan negroids.

This forcing of congo jungle monkey gorillas into every bit of world history needs to stop.

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This "historical" movie of Genghis Khan from 1965.

WE WUZ

>>2470127
so what you're saying is...
Hannibal might have been Korean?

>>2469369
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HE WAS FUCKING PHOENICIAN

They're going to make Scipio fucking Hitler aren't they.

>>2470127

So you're saying we have records of other Carthaginian generals being from abroad, but nothing about the Barcids, and based on that we should still act like they weren't landed.

>>2470133
>>2470143
>>2470151
There is no reason to think that he was a North African at all. Some of the other generals weren't. Two generals we know of were Berber and Gallic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autaritus
The others were Iberians, Celt-Iberians (north), Balearic Islanders, Ligurians, Celts and Greeks.
During the Third Punic War they even had a roman general. Carthaginians hired outsiders to lead. Maybe this was to prevent any of them getting too strong or some such.

>>2470166
I am saying that:
1. Other generals weren't locals.
2. We don't know where he was from.

It follows that he may not have been local. In fact its a strong implication.

>>2470181
>Berbers aren't North Africans
wew

>>2470123
When you look at sub-saharian Africa, it's evident why their civilisations never took off aside from exceptions like east-africa. And even then, they were still quite isolated, wich didn't stop Ethiopia from kicking Italy's ass during the colonization.
They litterally "dindu nothin wrong". Yeah they should totally be proud of what little Africans managed to accomplish, because they were fucked right from the beginning.
>>2470152
see >>2469833
It's most likely not a thing.

>>2470192
I define North Africa as the coastline above the desert.
Berbers at the time were the people who lived IN the desert, they took money to get people across through paths they kept secret.

>>2470181
And none of those ethnicities you mentioned were negroid chimps.

>>2470181
The Barcids all had Punic names, for one thing

Plus Hamilcar received a command at 28, by which point he already had a family, so it makes more sense to think that he was part of the landed aristocracy than being a foreign mercenary.

>>2470203
You continue and continue to strawman. Get the /pol/ dick out of your ass when posting on /his/.
Nobody is saying he was a western african negroid. What is being said is we have no fucking clue what he looked like or who he was.

>>2470207
All the Barcids had JEWISH names, not strictly punic. Thats because those were nicknames. Barca means lightning, or thunderbolt. Good name to call your general.

>>2469815
>All weapons will go straight through armour
Hollywood really needs to work on this. What's the point of wearing armor if a weak slash could cleave plate armor?

>>2470207
Oh, and the second generation Barcids, the ones who were born and raised in Carthage, by a person who had command and clearly was wealthy and powerful, were in all ways but one Carthaginians. But that one way is ethnicity, which is what is being discussed.

>>2470216
>You continue and continue to strawman. Get the /pol/ dick out of your ass when posting on /his/.
>Nobody is saying he was a western african negroid. What is being said is we have no fucking clue what he looked like or who he was.

Than stop getting pissy. If you had to make a movie about Hannibal what WOULD you make him? I'd play it safe and just make him Phoenician. Yet this movie decides that a congo ape would be the best fit.

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>>2469856
Everyone was at the time, and a lot of people still are nowadays. Racism is natural to humans.

>>2470227
>Than stop getting pissy.
You strawman me 3 times in a row, making zero argument each time, and I am pissy? Fuck off, retard, you are lowering the quality of discussion with every post.

And I'd make him a Mediterranean looking arab/jew type like this >>2469740
But I sure as fuck wouldn't claim that I am 100% sure thats how he looked like, because the historical fact is WE JUST DON'T KNOW. He might as well have been some spartan soldier. NOBODY KNOWS.

>>2470075
Not to mention Hannibal was never a ruler in any shape or form

>>2470249
He was pretty much the autocratic despot of the Iberian colony (Barcelona area).

>>2470242
Still haven't answered the question retard, if you're going to make a movie about Hannibal what would you make him look like? We don't know so take a guess, what would be MOST LIKELY?

>>2470258
>Still haven't answered the question
>post you quote straight up answers the question

??????

>>2470254
Yeah but that was a colony tied to Carthage, he was more of a governor than anything, not ruler of a state.

>>2470271
Yet he pretty much declared war on Rome from this position of governor. Its like Texas declaring war on Mexico.

>>2470242
you're the one entering a thread discussing a completely fictional portrayal of a historical figure and defending the "we wuz" side with your "we just don't know lmao"

>>2470242
If we don't know how he looked like, wouldn't it be ok to portray him as black? Honest question.

>>2470285
I am entering a thread about a historical figure on /his/ and shutting down anti-historical imbeciles claiming something as fact, when it is not.
We don't know if he was white. We don't know if he was black. We don't know his family name, other than the "lightning" nickname. We don't know where he was from. We don't know.
Anyone claiming we do is an enemy to history and I want to piss in his gaping asshole.

>>2469333
WE

>>2470298
Yes, it would be okay, if it was explained that he is a foreigner hired for the war (daddy) and he was rewarded station after not rebelling during the mercenary war, so his sons (Honey-ball) was allowed to govern the spanish colony.
Saying all phoneticians were black is retarded revisionism. Saying Hannibal was black isn't, since we don't know. Its a guess.

>>2470298
No, because we still know what he definitely did not look like. And that would be native Americans, Asians, and sub-Saharan blacks.

>>2470254
>Barca
>Barcelona
woah

>>2470299
>"[[Autism Speaks]]"
you're throwing out your assumptions like they're somehow better than everyone else's and sperging out when you get challenged on them

>>2470305
Numidians were regulars in the army, their cavalry was a core unit and a Hannibal trademark, it isn't utterly impossible that he was numidian of origin. I think its very unlikely, but its not as impossible as the other options you listed. Its within the realm of possibility.

>>2470312
You have no arguments, and throw feels around instead. Fuck off, retard.

>>2470310
Barcino = city of Barcas. Later Barcelona under roman rule.
Though the Barca capital was further south, in Carthago Nova (New Carthage). Later Cartagena under roman rule.

>>2470316
Numidians had Caucasoid features and weren't negroid chimps.

>>2470328
They weren't west African black, but they weren't Italian white either.
Skin color or genetic clusters aren't binary.

>>2470344
My point still stands, get this congo ape out of the movie.

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>>2470328
Aethiopia (upper Nile region, as well as all certain areas south of the Sahara desert and south of the Atlantic Ocean) were known, traded with, and recruited from. There are "black" people there.
But Numidians weren't from that area, according to the Greeks, they were north of the Sahara, and they had some kings with Carthaginian names, including one that went to Rome to have his statue made, and looks like a regular greek.

>>2470354
Your point that race is a binary choice between disgusting monkey nigger ape and pure white aryan god is not valid.

>>2470358
Here's the numidian king I wrote about, forgot the link. His kingdom was basically north-west Africa.

>>2470216
Jewish? Are you a tard?
Those are Phonecian names. Hannibal means one who was favored by ba'al.

Canaanites aren't Jewish ffs.

>>2470363
That wasn't my point, I don't want more nigger fetish faggots forcing chimps into parts of history where they don't belong.

>>2470358
>>2470375
FUCK my keyboard won't paste.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_I_of_Numidia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_I_of_Numidia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_I_of_Numidia

>>2469415
Vin Diesel Blackface come on

>>2470299

We don't know what he looked like, let's make him chinese.

>>2470389
China wasn't even known at the time, west Africa was. See >>2470358

>>2470394

We dont know that.

>>2470405
Yes we do, since we have Herodotus' map, and we know which areas were mentioned by Romans as supplying Carthage troops.

>>2470316
Numidians were berbers of north africa, not black.

>>2470411

That's not all encompassing. We just don't know.

>>2470410
Libya just meant "Africa west of Nile and south of Sahara".
Its not only modern day Libya, but also Morocco, Tunis, Algeria, etc.
Nubians were ruled by foreigners, like much of Europe had Germanic kings. And of course we only know how the kings looked like.

>>2470416
Nubians were the people near the coast, Berbers were the people in the desert, who ruled the pathways through it. This is how the two words are historically used. They have different meaning today. Also see the above note about Libya, it has a different meaning today.

>>2470418
You are pretending to be retarded, since you can't make an argument. This is sad, and you should instead just adjust your views to reality, not white about it.
A wise man celebrates being proven wrong, since now he knows better.

>>2470428

How is he wrong since your only argument is we don't know lmao

>People are actually defending a west african being Hannibal

I bet these same faggots defend half the army in BF1 being black because a few colonial solders were used.

>>2470377
Not even the same guy, but from what you've said, you're not concerned about historical accuracy, just about not having "filthy niggers" spoiling your entertainment.
>>>/pol/

>>2470302
WUZ

>>2470425
>Nubians were the people near the coast, Berbers were the people in the desert, who ruled the pathways through it. This is how the two words are historically used. They have different meaning today. Also see the above note about Libya, it has a different meaning today.
I said Numidians not Nubians....

>>2470425
>south of Sahara
>Morocco, Tunis, Algeria
You mean north?

>Nubians were the people near the coast
You mean Numidians?

I thought Nubians ived in the Upper Nile region around southern Egypt/northern Sudan.

>>2470444
KANGZ

>>2470442
I'm perfectly fine with niggers being slaves in the south or mowed down by colonial troops in the 19th century. Everything else they were non-existent or so minuscule it would be silly to even bother including them.

>>2469537
I'd accept Idris Elba

>>2470377
How do people like you function in the world if you get this triggered by a damn movie?

>>2470482
>normalizing Hannibal as negroid

>>2470145
KHANS

>>2470490
>>2470507
It's not "outrageous," it barely fucking matters. Yeah it's annoying when bad/historically inaccurate casting decisions are made but if you actually think that's worth getting outraged over, you're pathetic.

>>2469333
NOO, FUCKING NOOO!!

They can do shit with lancelot or fucking egyptian, but not my favorite general. Fuck niggers. Now their stealing history too?

>>2470549
>Now their stealing history too

Just learning the euro ways

Casting a good actor takes precedence over being historically accurate. No film is going to be 100% historically accurate.

If you want historical accuracy, watch a documentary.

>>2469833
Alexander Sidd did an amazing job protraying Hannibal.

>>2469815
>Hannibals forces will be multiracial but 50% black

They were multi cultural tho...

>>2470564
Yes I'm sure they couldn't find one decent Mediterranean looking actor and were forced to go with a nigger.

>>2470566
Alex Siddig was absolutely based. A shame he's a little too old for the role now but I'd be willing to move past that.

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>>2469360
>I've always wanted a Hannibal movie too.

This is the closes movie to actually portray Hannibal right. Really good too.

>>2469369
>a supremely gifted young black soldier
Wasn't he the son of an already prominent Carthaginian commander?

>>2470594
Yea. Hamilcar Barca was the commander of Carthaginian forced in Sicily during the first punic war. He actually did pretty well but ultimately Rome's navy forced a surrender.

>>2470604
>Yea.
Thanks, but aren't they misleading less knowledgeable types by phrasing it as if he had been some random foot soldier in the Carthaginian army that stumbled into proving himself, and slowly climbing through the ranks?

>a supremely gifted young black soldier rises to command the Carthaginian army,
It don't mean to taint Hannibal's genius, and have people thinking that he wouldn't have been noticing for his wits either way, son to a famous general, or random soldier within the army, but it's really strange how they mean to portray his rise as Napoleon-type ascension.

>>2470639
Because it's meant to allude to American blacks being slaves and than rising to become KANGZ

>>2470652
>than rising to become KANGZ
Ah right. Does seem indeed to be celebrating the idea that a random black soldier would've defied even the Carthaginian's bigotry (they'll portray them in a paler light, or else they would've been entirely retarded, and will be boycotted by the whole Maghreb) and have risen up to be their King.

God I hate American blacks. Blacks in African might be slower, but thankfully they're not imbued with half as much an inferiority complex that urges to appropriate even as their own, and then be deathly afraid that whites will rob them of whatever culture they have ("whites can't have dreads, cultural appropriation", "whites can't like rap!", etc..).

Kangsago delenda est

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am i the only one who actually wishes for a three part epic about the punic wars anyway

>The Punic Wars part I: Rise of Rome

>After gaining control of the whole of the Italian peninsula for the first time, Rome sets it's sights on the island of Sicily, which is sunk in chaos and violence and ripe for conquest. However, another regional titan, Carthage, has designs of their own. Throughout several brutal campaigns in land and sea, the hostility between the nations spawns a more personal rivalry between two dynasties, the Barcids and the Scipios. facing the bitter defeat and harsh terms on his country, Hamilcar makes his son swear to never be a friend to the Romans.

>The Punic Wars part II: Hannibal at the gates

TBA

>The Punic Wars part II: Carthage must be destroyed

TBA

>>2470811
>tfw Hannibal didn't invade Rome
>tfw we're living in the worst timeline

Why even live?

>>2470811
No because it will be ruined. It's like ordering a steak in an average restaurant. Just don't.

>>2470871

He would have probably died in the attempt, Romans were fanatical qnd acting like cornered animals after Cannae.

Should have sued for peace and told them to give back the reparations imo.

>>2470919
Wait....You could sue for reparations back then?!?!?!?

>>2470582
The Carthaginians were a mix of North Africans and Semites - Phoenicians. It's just annoying virtue signalling to portray them as sub-saharan Africans.

Aren't brown/dark people who aren't negroid supposed to be a marginalized group too?

>>2470983
The whole Punic Wars was Carthage playing by the rules, and Rome not doing so.

>pay reparations
>"okay"
>oh shit they are actually paying what the fuck

>"we won 3 battles on your land, you have to surrender now"
>nope, not surrendering
>"i guess i'll wait"

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WE

>>2470988

Yes but they aren't whinny bitches who do nothing but organize pressure groups to monopolize the historical victimhood profits

>>2471005
this isn't hannibal

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>>2471005
>>2471013

>>2471004
>"we won 3 battles on your land, you have to surrender now"
>nope, not surrendering
>"i guess i'll wait"

Shit like this makes me glad Rome fell, more ironically on Carthage by the Vandals and Caliphate.

Roman scum were stupid lucky for years.

>>2471016
https://www.aub.edu.lb/news/2014/Pages/carthage.aspx

>>2470545
I disagree. Films and popular culture have a lasting impression on people.
And depressingly, people base bits of their knowledge on what they get from popular culture.

The memes though will be funny. So there's a part of me that wants to see a black actor in the role.

>>2471005
Were jews?

>>2471030

Delenda est

>>2471030
>t. Hannibal

>>2469369
>a supremely gifted young black soldier
>black soldier
Phoenicians are black now?

>>2469333
>country: USA

ok so it will be some nog from western sub-saharan africa playing a mediterrean

>>2471030

>Lucky
>Implying the Romans weren't just naturally so fucking stubborn it became indistinguishable from luck

Pyrrhus of Epirus agreed, don't bug him about it.

>>2471030
>snowniggers sacking an irrelevant depopulated city which was no longer the capital of the WRE and just acted as a honey trap for dumb barbarians having anything to do with it's fall

Nice meme.

>>2471115

Hanniball didn't even inflict the worst defeats Rome saw. The Cimbrians/Teutons hold that honor. Rome could just keep spamming heavy, highly motivated and trained infantry forever.

>>2470983
>our ancestors were barbarians meme
You could sue for peace since forever in human history

>>2471173
How does that work, exactly? Was it a shameful/weak act?

>>2471179
It costs X money to keep the army in the field.
You will gain Y money from invading us.

If I offer you about Y-X money to fuck off, you would, since you don't risk potential defeat, and gain as much.

>>2471179

Literally "i'll pay you 50 to fuck off"

>>2471193
>>2471202
Wow, this is a first for me. Never knew a nation back than could sue. Makes me sad that Carthage didn't do it, could have played the waiting game.

>>2470145
Wow America in the 60s didnt have an abundance of Mongolians and didnt care. Shocker. The inclusion of European actors wasnt to push an agenda, you nitpicking shithead

>>2471216
Byzantium basically bribed the turks for 300 years.
Eventually they got enough money to brute force their way into Europe.

Also, Carthage did sue for peace in the first two wars, and paid for it.
In the third one they would've done it too, but Rome also demanded that they set fire to their port, and move all buildings several miles inland, and that they abandon the sea altogether. No boats, no ports, just in case. Of course this is a bit of a tough sell.

>>2471216
They literally did that

i wanted hbo or something to make a series about the punic wars. now they won't, because the subject will have been done. and they're blacking up the history of the mediterranean... why, america? you fucks.


>>2469372
>>2469398
this is basic myth formation. kernel of truth ends up in a narrative. post-hoc the truth cannot be reliably reconstructed using the narrative without outside info. awesome map btw, hope would be cool if it's correct.

>>2469822
bs. carthage was phoenician for about as long as rome existed, perhaps even a generation (or two) earlier. by the time of the persian invasia of greece, carthage was a significant commercial power.

So, is /his/tory, dare I say....BLACKED?

>>2469360
Cultural Marxism at it's finest

>>2469333
Is Scipio Africanus going to be played by a blond blue eyed aryan?

>>2471332
>AFRICAnus
>aryan

/pol/ pls

>>2471507
it's an epithet awarded for conquering africa. also, to them, africa was tunisia. also, neither tunisia nor italy was inanhabited by blacks.

romans weren't blonde either, but highlighting the 'africa' makes no sense.

>>2471547
>guy is called AFRICAnus
>tots wasn't from africa guise

whitey on suicide watch

>>2471555
troll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipio_Africanus

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>>2471507
>>2471547
>>2471570
>Africanus
>his bust is black

CRACKERS BTFO

Fucking hell, why are niggers so fucking pathethic?

>>2470376

Jews came from Canaanites. It's why they worshiped Yahweh, the Canaanite god of the heavenly army and weather.

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This is fanfiction tier. Not even just the black part, but every other bit in that description is wrong.

At this point it isn't even Hannibal they are making a movie about. It is so far removed from what Hannibal was that it may as well not even bother trying to tie it to real history.

This is retarded on so many levels.

>>2469929
>Why can't they just come to terms wih the fact that they never were as big and relevant as Europe, North Africa, India, China, Japan, Persia and Arabia ?
Because they might be rounded up and shot if they do that.

(((Hollywood))) delenda est.

Literally exactly what /pol/ has spoken about, in terms of the media and "higher ups" purposefully changing history to fit the current "plan".

I'm actually pretty upset

>>2471217
use a chinese or a nip guy.

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WE WUZ MOSES AND PHARAONS.

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>>2472134
and NOAH

>>2471817
/pol/ is always right

>>2472180
Of all the words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are "/pol/ was right again"

>>2471817
this is seriously nothing new, the only thing that has changed is the idealogy

>>2471254
>bs

That's not what anon is saying. He's saying that it was punic, but not too big til more people came in and classed up the place.

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>>2469369
>Hannibal
>a young black soldier
>elephants over the alps
>king

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>>2469333
>director: nate parker

>>2469372
>Virgil's Aeneid was pro-octavian propaganda to give a worthy backstory to the roman empire.
proofs? I see no proofs.
"this is a patter" no its not "it just fits" no it doesn't. They are just randomly lined up that way "yes but they are randomly lined in exactly the way they are, therefore my theory works"
I hate you ppl

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>>2470152

I think we should team up with /pol/ for a mass boycott of this movie.

>>2473068
>proofs? I see no proofs.
It's common knowledge, a cursory google search would prove it for you. It's like asking for proof when someone says "Caesar crossed the Rubicon"

>>2469707
/pol/tards ARE right you dunce. Haven't you ever heard the adage "/pol/ was right again"?

>>2469358
He also directed a movie that lionized Nat Turner, a terrorist who was famous for leading mobs that would drag whites (women and children included) out of their homes and execute them.

>>2469334
>>2469342
this right here
I'm not /pol/ when it comes to we wuzzing but I'm afraid they're gonna make him black, then again he'll also probably be very white if he isn't black, which is almost, if not equally wrong. Phoenicians with Greek and North African admixtures most certainly would have looked very Mediterranean (and thus brown).

>>2473551
>>2469369
God fucking damnit i didn't read the thread
>>2469815
he did participate in some combat at Cannae and Trasimene

>>2469333
If he's black I'm angry

>>2469353
Yes and funnily enough the msot similar samples are those found in a site near what would become Troy some thousand years later, coincidence?

>>2469833
They look Hispanic as fuck

>>2473531
Thats just a recent meme that they've been using to legitimize themselves, it used to be "pol i always wrong" just like in /sp/

>>2473567
He's black

>>2470324
>>2470310
>>2470254
>Mayonnaise is named after the French name a for the capital of Spanish Minorca...Mahon, which is named after Hannibal's brother Mago.

>>2473572
You don't know what you're talking about. That adage has been around as long as /pol/ has been around you newfag. Have you never seen the picture of the guy in the green suit?

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>>2469935
>tfw sylvester stallone is the last roman

>>2471217
>I-I-Its ok if we do it!

>>2469369
>1999 rape allegations
Woah.

>>2469369
>using a fake IMDB link
Show real source.s

>>2473796
In a sense, it's why his last movie failed - it was brought up around the time of the release of his movie in October/November, whenever that was.

Also because Black people didn't want to actually see it. I remember a discussion on the radio around the release where a Black woman urged Black people to watch it, in vain, because the newest Tyler Perry movie was killing it in the box office.

>>2470145

the duke plays a fearsome and brilliant american tribal leader, bringing the american clans of central asia together into a single body that will come to shatter kingdoms and make the world shudder at his name

>>2469333
Let's come up with other historically inaccurate movies.

>Gotama, a poor, young non-binary lesbian black womyn leaves her privileged life behind to discover the true meaning of life.

>Confucius, a disabled Native American otherkin finds a way to battle the animal within as he preaches the value of tradition across China.

>Sun Tzu, a Japanese monk leaves his monastery to bring civilized warfare to ancient China

>Mohammad, a well read bisexual Latino transgender man finds the truth behind the Christian and Jewish lies and brings forth the true monotheistic message of tolerance for all people regardless of sexual orientation or religion and faces off against all of the terrible cisgender white males in ancient Arabia.

>>2469333
Show me a confirmed source on this.

>>2473833
>Ghandi, an asexual atheist, preaches Martin Luther King Jr's civil disobedience to give India its independence.

>Alexander the Great is a young Turk who seeks to harmonize the known world and stop the spread of the evil Egyptians.

>>2473730
gaME?

>>2473719

I'm Italian-American too and i have a big chin, square nose and i'm going bald almost exactly like Julius Caesar, we're not so rare

>>2470447
>>2470451
Yes, meant Numidians. Nubians are on the other side of the Nile, in what would be call the black part of Africa during antiquity.

>>2469342
KANGZ