>tfw the two greatest Frenchman weren't even French >Charlemagne/Karel

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>>2419784
France deserves a nuclear holocaust

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>>2419784
>Karel de Grote was Dutch
Ich mag Euch Sumpfgermanen wirklich.

>>2419784
>WIR

>>2419784
France has a history of winning/status quoing against giant coalitions, when you have a history of winners of course it would take the best of the best to stand out amongst the rest.

>>2419784
>Charlemagne
>Dutch
what are you, fucking retarded?

>>2419784
>Charlemagne was Dutch
He was Frankish.

>>2419806
NOUS

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>>2419784
Charlemagne was French, and you, German niggers are in fact French(Gaulish R1B) rape babies.


When you a see German women next time you will think of the French bulls who impregnated her Saxon ancestors centuries ago.

>>2419784

>charlemagne
german

>napoleon
corsican

>wiliam the conqueror
norman

>louis xiv
basically spanish

lmao

>>2419853
In a certain anachronistic way he was Dutch, the lex salica, one of the greatest accomplishments of the Frankish empire had a small part written on it which we now generally accept als old Dutch.

>Old Dutch maltho thi afrio lito
>(Modern) Dutch ik meld, jou* bevrijd ik, laat**

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salic_law

Charlesmagne was from a later time, but he did speak the same Germanic language for all we know. So in a certain way he is Dutch, though I personally would be a bit careful with such anachronisms.

Why is it that anytime France is mentionned, the Francophiles and -phobes seem to go in a battle to see who's the most autistic?

>>2419863
Implying that the Gauls were not raped into extinction by the Italian manlets that swarmed over the Alps

>>2419863
Then the French would go on to cuck the remaining anglo-saxons 300 years later. Really makes you think.

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>>2419893
>200.000 Romans(population of Rome)
>Replacing 5 million Gauls
Pick one

It is also the contrary we raped our way in Northern Italy and created Cisalpine Gaul and Transpadine Gaul
Anyway you can't refute genetical facts with weak bants m8

>>2419866
>based Navarrians
>Spaniards
"Nah".

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>>2419905

>we

>>2419866
are you American?

>>2419863
>French
>Bulls


Ehmmmm...

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>>2420130
True
Stallion is more accurate

t. 16.5cm

>>2420158
Europe won't look as impressive if the map included Africa, you know.

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>>2420166
Not so much

>Greatest athlete of all time was Algerian
>Greatest Philosopher was Swiss

But Charles De Gaulle was a greater Frenchman than Charlemagne

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>>2419784
>the two greatest Frenchman weren't even Fre-

>>2420158
>Leprechaun dicks

>>2419784

Marie Curie was Polish.

The greatest talent of the Eternal Ribbit is to steal people from other countries and make them their own.

>>2420176
>rousseau

lmao

I'll take the bait

Charlememe was Frankish. Trying to claim him as french/german/dutch is pure wewuzism. Also those three countries have much better historical figures.
Charlememe discussion should be forbidden on /his/ because is pure /int/ bullshit.

Napo was french no matter how much this makes Luigi scream. Italy wasnt even a nation in the 18th century and Corsica was part of france so there you have it.

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>Charles de Gaulle married Yvonne Vendroux on 7 April 1921. They had three children: Philippe (born 1921), Élisabeth (1924–2013), who married General Alain de Boissieu, and Anne (1928–1948). Anne had Down's syndrome and died of pneumonia at the age of 20.

>De Gaulle always had a particular love for Anne; one Colombey resident recalled how he used to walk with her hand-in-hand around the property, caressing her and talking quietly about the things she understood.

Damn I wasn't expecting those feels

>>2420171
>Southwest Asia statistics
>mfw the memes are true

>>2419784
>tfw the greatest english were actually french

>>2420217
As a Moroccan: Fuck De Gaulle and all French generals and politicians from the first half of the twentieth century, but this does actually make me feel for the guy.

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>>2419784
>Hitler wasn't German but Austrian
>Richard Lionheart wasn't English but French
>Napoleon wasn't French but Italian
>Wellington wasn't British but Irish

I notice a pattern

>>2420229
John Churchill, Michael Faraday and Issac Newton were not in any way French.

>>2420279
>Teddy Roosevelt was American as fuck...

combo break!

>>2419866
>charlemagne
>german
Nope, German ethnicity appeared a century after his death
He was Frankish (aka neither French nor German)

>napoleon
>corsican
Yep

>wiliam the conqueror
>norman
Which basically meant French in his era
Some of his ancestors were Danish, but he himself had very slight Danish admixture (less than 20%) and zero cultural link with them

>louis xiv
>basically spanish
Genetically speaking, he was surely more Spanish than William the Bastard was Scandinavian
That being said, his mom wasn't a pure Spaniard but a mongrel mix of Spanish, Austrian and French

>>2420288
The Churchill family is descended from the French invaders
Don't know about the others

>>2420279

>wellington wasn't British but Irish

Being born in a stable does not make one a horse.

he might not be greater than them but louis xiv was pretty great

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>>2420308
I guess England wasn't ruled by an English king since 1066 then

>b-but Henry V was totally English!!!! He was born in England and spoke English!!!!

Being born in a stable does not make one a horse.

>>2420311
He dressed like a fag with silly wigs and lost all his gains

>>2420304
>The Churchill family is descended from the French invaders

distantly...12th century. John Churchill was as French as most modern Americans are.

>>2420321

That's a quote from Wellington you thick fuck. It's amazing how getting your ass kicked once in 1940 has turned your entire country into a bottomless salt mine.

>>2420321
>Implying the Welsh aren't the original Britons and the rightful rulers of the land
Tudors totally count

>>2420328
>That's a quote from Wellington you thick fuck.
Doesn't change the fact it's wrong
Wellington LARPed as an Englishman because Ireland was pathetic in his era

>It's amazing how getting your ass kicked once in 1940 has turned your entire country into a bottomless salt mine.
Why do buttdevasted brits always assume you're French when you argue with them?
This board really needs flags

How does it feel to get so utterly dominated by another country that you have to resort to claiming that no one is actually from that country?

You forgot William the Conqueror btw.

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>>2419905
>Napoleon was E3b

So France was always ruled by niggers?

>>2420321
Wellington was Anglo-Irish. His family were English colonists in Ireland.

Much like how the British aristocracy is French colonists in England.

>>2420343

>Implying I'm a brit
>Implying I just don't amuse myself by bashing retards on /his/ that come in here with an agenda and no historical knowledge.

Even better, you're some pathetic cuck who's latched onto French culture because your own irrelevant shithole doesn't have any history of note.

>>2420209
>nappy was born 1(one) year after corsica was sold by genoa to france, therefore he was 100% ethnic french
I fear you might just be retarded

>>2420399
hey retard, you're confusing Corsica and Sicily

kys

>>2420420
>''''''ethnic''''''''' french

You dont even know what you're talking about. French citizenship has never been based on blood. If you were born in France you were french even before the revolution.

>>2420420
>born in France
>French subject then citizen
>studies at French schools
>general in the French army
>crushes every other country in Europe and brings France to rule over them all
>his last words were literally "La France"

>hurr he wasn't French

see >>2420384, I really want to know.

>>2420430
Ethnicity isn't exclusively based on blood either, people who use "ethnic" like that are just delusional racists who are also too pussy to use the word "race".

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>>2420430
>>2420444
He was a French citizen of Italian ancestry. This is indisputable. His birth name was "Napoleone di Buonaparte". Does that sound French to you?

Also,

>omitting the fact that he fought for Cosican independence early on and never learned how to speak French properly

>>2420526
So? Everyone has foreign ancestry, what are you even trying to say?

Napoleon spoke French perfectly well, he just had an accent. And he was an admirer of Pasquale Paoli when he was young, but then came into conflict with him.

>>2419898
>Normans
>French
wew

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>>2420558
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon

>His first language was Corsican, and he always spoke French with a marked Corsican accent and never learned to spell French properly

>Upon graduating in September 1785, Bonaparte was commissioned a second lieutenant in La Fère artillery regiment.[21][note 4] He served in Valence and Auxonne until after the outbreak of the Revolution in 1789, and took nearly two years' leave in Corsica and Paris during this period. At this time, he was a fervent Corsican nationalist, and wrote to Corsican leader Pasquale Paoli in May 1789, "As the nation was perishing I was born. Thirty thousand Frenchmen were vomited on to our shores, drowning the throne of liberty in waves of blood. Such was the odious sight which was the first to strike me."

>>2420565
So exactly what I said.

>>2420430
We aren't talking about citizenship faggot

>>2420570
No, you're just talking about how hilariously buttblasted you are at France. Do go on.

>>2420279
Austrians are German
Richard was Norman, not French
true
Wellington was born in Ireland to an English family

George Washington was British.

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>>2420576
>Pierre calling me buttblasted

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>>2419784

>>2420582
>Austrians are German
t. muh heritage American who knows nothing about European history

>Richard was Norman, not French
You sure know how to pass for a retard
Richard was an Angevin (from Anjou), not a Norman
And anyway, Normans were already pretty much identical to other French in 1066, so don't get me started on 1157

>Wellington was born in Ireland
Thank

>>2420399
Like Hitler

But some niggers like Napoleon are alright

>>2420430
>French People started with Ernest Renan
Kys

>>2420565
>>2420558
>>2420451
>>2420444
>>2420430
Time to contact my broker and bet all my money on france winning gold medal in acrobatics next olympics, because if this is the level of mental gymnastics the frogs are capable off, we rightfully have to be scared.

>>2420266
What's your problem as a Moroccan with de Gaulle?
To my knowledge regardless of what happened with French colonialism there he didn't have anything to do with the French protectorate there and establishing control nor with the decision to grant independence, although I guess it could be claimed that he didn't let it go in 1945.

>>2420599
Literally the only reason Austrians are considered different is that they have a different government

>>2420609
Napoléon was French, its only the Germans with their autism about blood who would insist otherwise. Napoléon was French by merit, integration, and position, as any civilized society lacking the retardation of the Eternal Teuton would be able to accept.

>>2419866
>Marat

Sardinian

>>2420609
the ribbitts were always good at jumping

>>2420621
>it is possible to change your ethnicity by "merit, integration, and position"

>>2420616
Because they have an entirely different history
Ever heard of the Habsburgs?
Austrians are as different from Germans as Irish and Americans are from the English

>>2420621
explains France's well adjusted negro population

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>>2420217

>In an era where mentally challenged children were lobotomized, sent to an asylum or shunned, especially by prominent people, all De Gaulle did instead was love her until the day she died.

>>2420631
Austrians are Bavarians are Germans. By your logic ("Habsburgs") the British are German.

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>>2419863
WE

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>>2420644

>De Gaulle's relatives all testified that the General, who was normally undemonstrative in his affections for his family, was more open and extroverted with Anne. He would entertain her with songs, dances, and pantomimes.

>Anne died of pneumonia on 6 February 1948, aged 20, at Colombey-les-Deux-Églises. Upon her death, her father said: "Now, she's like the others." ("Maintenant, elle est comme les autres.")

>On 22 August 1962, Charles de Gaulle was the victim of an attempted assassination at Petit-Clamart. He later said that the potentially fatal bullet had been stopped by the frame of the photograph of Anne that he always carried with him, placed this particular day on the rear shelf of his car. When he died in 1970, he was buried in the cemetery of Colombey beside his beloved daughter.

I spent a lifetime hating him. Why the fuck did I do this to myself.

>>2420630
Only the germemes came up with the idea that ethnicity must equate to nationality

Germans truly ruined everything with 'muh blood'

The sad thing is that many of the retards spouting that bs are Americans.

>>2420711
Why are you identifying this as a German phenomenon you nutter. Blood is important everywhere. Guessing you're a shitskin immigrant who's buttmad that you'll never really belong

>>2420304
>The Churchill family is descended from the French invaders
What a ridiculous statement.

English is not a race, it's a combination of French and German.

Any man born in England and speaks English as his first language is English.

>>2420321
What? How long does a family have to live in England to be English then?

>>2420763
Having a small amount of Norman ancestry doesn't mean a person isn't English, but I wouldn't go so far as to say blood has literally nothing to do with whether a person's English or not. Jamal and Abdul are not Englishmen

>muh blood

am I on /pol/

>>2420778
>but I wouldn't go so far as to say blood has literally nothing to do with whether a person's English or not. Jamal and Abdul are not Englishmen

So how many generations DOES a person's ancestry have to be from England to be English?

Any number of generations you pick is totally arbitrary. Ethnic Nationality is a meme.

>>2420792
English = descended from native Celts and Germanic invaders (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, and Normans)

>>2420800
What percentage do they have to be related?


My family is entirely english as far back as I can trace, except for my great, great grandmother who was Norwegian. Am I English?

Let's say a French family moves to England in the 15th century. Their Children all speak English, they marry english people. Are their ancestors in 2017 English?

It's a retarded system with completely arbitrary grounds.

>>2420815
Then you are mostly English with a very small amount of Norwegian blood.

Then they are mostly English with a very small amount of French blood.

Not complicated.

>>2420818
But am i an englishman?

Are they englishmen?

>>2419784
>dutch
He was a frank you moron.

>>2420821
Culturally, yes. Ethnically, mostly.

>>2420829
So therefore, John Churchill is an Englishman.

Case dismissed.

>>2420834
Never said or implied he wasn't. Not the same guy you were arguing with earlier

>>2420839
Fair enough, that's the only statement that really angered me.

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>>2419905
r1b are literally niggers lol

>>2419905
>even hitler had the E halpogroup
ayyy

>>2420736
The Germans are the ones who made it into an actual ideology rather than just garden variety xenophobia, the French and the German men of letters in the 19th century had significant debates and clashes over their alternate meanings of nationhood and belonging - German by blood, French by civic-ness and a shared historical consciousness.

Germemes ruined the rational, logical, and simple fruit of the French revolution by bringing in a bunch of hocus pocus.

>>2420890
I'm not sure why you think the concept of ethnicity itself is "xenophobia"

>>2420711
This tbfh

Ethnicity and Nationality are 2 different things.

>>2420158
Guess Macedonia is not bulgarian after all.

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>>2420875
Meme map made to imply that niggers are more R1B than Europeans.

>>2420944
>Meme map made to imply that niggers are more R1B than Europeans.
>to imply that niggers are more R1B
>more R1B
what?

>retards on /his/ don't understand that french wasn't even a real identity until late in history
why do i even browse this retarded board

>>2421034
Stop being a smug prick and enlighten us then

>>2421034
French was an identity much earlier than most other European identities. Certainly earlier than Germany and Italy which only became countries after Napoleon made them into countries.

>>2421061
>the fact they weren't unified states means their people didn't have a common identity

>>2420767
Infinite + 1 according to this poster.

>>2421065
They DIDN'T though. People only started to really buy into the whole pan-national identity thing after Napoleon.

Prior to that only a few rich, educated Italians had the thought that maybe the Italian peninsula should be unified on the basis of national identity.

>>2420328
It's not actually.

It's a quote from a famous Irish nationalist about Wellington. Wellington himself didn't really comment on his Irishness or lack thereof.

>>2421061
this is completely wrong
italy and germany had existing identities which is why there was always a will to unify them
france was already a country and had to create a nation

>>2421210
Italian unification was a thing since Machiavelli
The reason "only a few rich educated italians" wanted unification is because the poor didn't read and obviously were unaware of such ideas
Public opinion only becomes relevant once your average person can actually read

>>2421054
Before the french revolution, very few people in france spoke french since the kings didn't care what their vassals spoke
This meant that even during the revolution, most people in france didn't speak french as their first language, and it wasn't until the third republic that the french identity was solidly founded in the country
To dismiss napoleon as not being french because it wasn't his first language means barely anyone in france was actually french

>>2421316
>Before the french revolution, very few people in france spoke french since the kings didn't care what their vassals spoke

t. Lindy

Fuck off and read about Louis XIV and his centralisation retard

The "not-speaking-french" people of France like Gascons and Bretons were also had counter-parts in other European states, France was the most centralised state in Europe since 100-years-wars.

>>2421034
Fucking retard shut up
You're so dumb that it is embarassing, and go read the Song of Roland before spewing non sense

>it's an "amerifat /pol/tards think European countries are like D&D races" episode

>>2421034
France was the first Western country to develop a national sentiment, around the 12th century.

>>2421334
> The new idea was expounded in theReport on the necessity and means to annihilate thepatoisand to universalise the use of the French language. Its author,Henri Grégoire, deplored that France, the most advanced country in the world with regard to politics, had not progressed beyond theTower of Babelas far as languages were concerned, and that only three million of the 25 million inhabitants of France spoke a pureParisian Frenchas their native tongue.
For the record I am french but to deny that french identity was not created recently is simply wrong

>>2421335
What does the song of roland have to do with France's identity?
At the time the concept of france was completely different to what it is now, what we know as french identity was not an indisputable reality until the third republic

>>2421394
Again, being french was completely different at the time
In the middle ages nationalism didn't exist, people usually identified as belonging to whatever fief they were in

>>2421421
No, that's precisely the time when French people started identifying primarily as French, and not as part of "whatever fief they were in".

>>2421428
what is your definition of french here

>>2421421

>What does the song of roland have to do with France's identity?


I invited you to read the Song of Roland becaue it refute the bullshit your spewing


>the concept of france


France isn't a concept it is a nation


>what we know as french identity was not an indisputable reality until the third republic

Only in your commie degenerate mind


Our people existed before the Cuckpublic and we will live after it.

>>2421433
what

Are you having trouble finding it on a map or something?

>>2421428
stop posting right now you couldn't be more wrong
The central government was struggling for control with dukes well into the 15th century (eg. war of the public weal), let alone the fact people generally didnt care. nationalism is a very modern thing and retrospectively applying it is not a good idea

>>2421437
I've already read it you fucking sped
They weren't even french back then they were franks, which later on became the french

Je suis sur que tu penses aussi que t'es gaulois comme le trisomique que tu es

>>2421449
What do you think it was Joan of Arc did if French national sentiment didn't exist?

Go be retarded somewhere else.

>>2421444
what the fuck are you talking about

do you seriously think the france on today's maps actually existed back in the 12th century?
furthermore do you seriously believe that country=nation?

>>2421459
Joan of Arc was acting out of religious beliefs you moron

The person you're posting to is correct, until louis xiv france as a country was a mess and until the third republic france as a nation didn't correspond to its borders

>>2421461
France existed in the 12th century, yes. Have we reached the point where this is now a controversial opinion on this shitheap of a board?

>>2421467
holy shit you're so retarded, you didn't even answer any of the questions

>>2421466
So you're saying God genuinely sided with France (while France didn't even exist)?

Maybe try spending half a second thinking before posting and we'll save some time.

>>2421471
I answered your first question. Yes, France existed.

As for your second question, no, countries aren't the same thing as nations. The first country to emerge as a nation was France. If you want an exact date, the battle of Bouvines in 1214 is usually considered the first clear expression of it.

>>2421449
>>2421466
You seem to be confusing nationalism with centralisation you utter moron.

>>2421473
>So you're saying God genuinely sided with France
I never said

>while France didn't even exist
I didn't say this, France existed in a different way
You can't compare middle age France to modern France like you can't compare the 13 colonies to modern day america

>maybe try spending half a second thinking before posting
try fucking reading you spastic

>>2421487
>I answered your first question
No you said France existed, the question was did France exist in the same form, the answer to this is no

>France emerged as a nation in 1214
How could France be a nation in 1214 if barely anyone in the country properly spoke french


If you don't properly answer or read again I'm not feeding any more (You)s

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>>2421452


>They weren't even french back then they were franks, which later on became the french
Franc is an adjective which mean brave/free not the name of a people, as for our People he is named Franceis in the song of Roland, you clearly didn't read it

Anyway pic related
>Je suis sur que tu penses aussi que t'es gaulois comme le trisomique que tu es


Sale fils de pute je jure que si je pouvais je ferais de ta sale race un second Clément Méric tu peux ouvrir ta petite gueule de salope sur internet mais on sait comment sa finit IRL

>>2421496
You're just saying meaningless shit. "France existed but not in the same way", explain what the fuck you're trying to say or shut up. Your comparison with the 13 colonies is idiotic, France wasn't a colony.

>How could France be a nation in 1214 if barely anyone in the country properly spoke french
Most of the country spoke French, and national sentiment doesn't necessarily require common language.

>>2421518
You can't argue with him he is dumb and clearly has no knowledge of French History

A proof is that he confuse French with the Parisian dialect, and it seems that he is not aware that the only difference between the various French dialects(Norman, Picard, Poitevin, and so on) lie in the pronunciation.

>>2419806
>VAS

>>2421034
If you consider the 13th century as "late in history", sure

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>>2421316
>Before the french revolution, very few people in france spoke

How to spot the retarded memester
As soon as the 10th century, most of Northern France spoke French (pic related, in blue)
The Southern half was almost entirely able to speak French by the end of the 16th century (although they retained their regional languages too), same for Brittany
It's only Alsace that really didn't speak French until the Revolution (mostly because they were annexed only in the mid-17th century)

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>>2420420
>he thinks there is such a things as ethnic French

>>2419798
Transpyrennes Spain? fuck that

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>>2421811
Pic related dumb mongrel

>>2419784
>Italian
He was Sardinian, in the 1700s there was a fuckin difference

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>>2421925
Corsica is not Sardinia, retard. He wasn't an ethnic Corsican anyway, he was descended from Genoese nobles of Tuscan origin, which are pretty much quintessential Italians. Think Da Vinci, Machiavelli and Galileo.

>>2421887
>Alsatians, Bretons, Basques, Occitans, Picardois, the Greek-like French Southerners, and Corsicans are all the same ethnicity.

What floats your boat, Achmed.

>>2421987
>He wasn't an ethnic Corsican anyway, he was descended from Genoese nobles of Tuscan origin

Yeah, because if you have one far off ancestor from somewhere you're 100% that, right?
His one Tuscan ancestor had arrived to Corsica two fucking centuries before Napoleon's birth and his descendents kept interbreeding with local Corsicans from that point
Napoleon had certainly more Corsican admixture that Tuscan one (just like William the Bastard had more French admixture than Scandinavian one)

>>2421996
>Meme ethnicty prevail on Genetics

Fuck off dumb leftist

>>2421996
Corsicans aren't French they do not have an ouve of French blood

>>2422031
>>2422033
yeah Corsicans have just been LARPing for 300 years

fucking retards go back to /pol/

>>2422013
>he thinks nobility would breed with some random plebs

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>>2422071


Bretons Basques, and Corsicans and perhaps Alsaciens and Flamands aren't French since they are distinct people with a distinct language and distinct ancestors, apart from them French do not differ racially speaking(see pic related)

I don't have FST tests for Eastern and Southern France tho

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>>2422092

>>2422092
>>2422102
That doesnt make them not French you fucking retard. French citizenship is civic based and those peoples have been culturally French for hundreds or years.

I bet you're an American who thinks he is Irish.

>>2422092
Occitans have their own language as well, you dummy.

>>2422033
No such thing as "French blood", France is a constantly morphing geographic reality rather than a set ethnicity. If you're born within the borders of France, whether it's a Kingdom, a Republique, or an Empire, you're French.

It's the concept of civil nationalism, mate.

>>2422165
>I bet you're an American who thinks he is Irish.

Nope

I'm a French from the Centre


>French citizenship is civic based

As if i care about the republic, this shitty regime will soon collapse anyway

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>>2422177
>Occitan

You mean langue d'oc

And it is also a part of the wider Gallo Romance family like is Old French, they're just a more romanized version of Gallo Romance.

>>2422177
>No such thing as "French blood
You deny the obvious reality and you were BTFO by Genetics

You can keep crying anyway

>>2422033
They didn't when Napoleon was born, but now after centuries of French domination, trust me they do

>>2422278
No they don't


There is no mixing between French Corsican, France was rural country until the 50' and it was rare to see people marrying outside of their villages evenmore outisde of their regions.

Philippe Auguste, Saint Louis and Louis XIV were not French ?

>>2422183
Touraine ?

>>2419866
Going by your ''''''''''logic''''''''''' if Habsburgs were Spaniards, then Louis was French

>>2420297
>Norman
>zero cultural link to Danes
For hundreds of years Norman culture was pretty much just carrying out Viking style raiding in the med but with noble titles and the odd territory kept for a while, there Vikings 2.0 essentially

>>2419866

>William
>Norman
>literally refers to them as French in his own charter

>>2420562

William I's charter for London specifically calls thems French

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>>2420562
DENIAL
E
N
I
A
L

>>2422804

if you need an autistic infograph to prove something you've already forfeited the argument, jacques

>>2422818
>lol u r autism
>a valid counterargument

>>2422818
>autistic infograph
>historical facts and genetic facts

Pick one

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>>2422804

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>>2422888
>*drool*
>DAS RITE WE WUZ NEVA CONQUERED BY DA FRENCHBOIS
>*look crazily at you*
>WILLIAM'S CHART IS A FRAUD TO KEEP US DOWN ! FRENCISCE DO NOT MEAN FRENCH BUT NORMAN !
>*convulse*
>BAYEUX TAPESTRY IS ALSO A MEME BY DA EVIL FRENCHBOIS ! FRANCI ALSO MEAN NORMAN !
>*laugh crazily*
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DNA MEAN NOTHING GENETICS IS A SCAM EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL BORN FROM ADAM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>*convulse even more*
>NORMAN ISN'T A FRENCH DIALECT IT IS BUREST VIKING LANGUAGE 100% BUR GERMANIK !!!!

>>2420297
>Nope, German ethnicity appeared a century after his death

>wiliam the conqueror
>norman
>Which basically meant French in his era

PFFFTTTT

It's hilarious how americans get so much scorn for being patriotic to the point of being totally clueless, but the French are even worse.

>>2422955
You don't have to be French to see that he's completely right, to be honest.

>>2422954
Okay, it looks like you can't read. Normans were described as French by outsiders, such as the maker of the bayeux tapestry. Normans almost always refered to themselves as Normans and saw themselves as a distinct people. On top of that, they were pretty hostile to the French.

You can stay retarded if you really want though

>>2422962
nice try, samefag

>>2422963
Normans spoke a French dialect, had French culture, were recognized as French by pretty much everyone, and interbred with the French for several generations.

The whole "They were Danes, not French!" argument is as ridiculous as people claiming to be Native Americans due to being 1/64 Navajo.

>>2422969
Yeah, because I've been totally following the same thread for 12 hours ready to answer (you)'s at any moment.

You're a fucking moron.

>>2422954
*shake*
>DA FRE-.. I MEAN DA NORMAN NEVER SANG THE SONG OF ROLAND DURING HASTINGS THEY SANG BUR EDDAS & VIKING HYMNS IN HONOR OF ODIN !!!
*fall on the ground*
>DAY WUZ 100% BUR ARYAN BLOND HAIRED TALL GIANT
*puke*
>PLANTAGENET WUZ BUR ANGLOSAXON MASTER RACE !!!
*puke even more *
>PLANTAGENET MEAN "100% GERMANIK" IN OLD SAXON !!!
*convulse*
>RICHARD LIONHEARTH WUZ BUREST ENGLISH ON EARTH NOT FRENCH AT ALL
*fall unconscious*
>WE WUZ LANCASTER AND & YORK !!!

>>2422972
Ethnicity is more than language and haplotypes, it's a group identifying as one. It's why Belgians and Swiss are a thing for example. Normans had a separate history and identity, the partly Danish origin also played a role for their consciousness of being separate.

> "They were Danes, not French!"

Straw man

>>2422978
You're absolutely delusional and barking mad with your french propaganda, so why would it put it past you?

Cocksucking french that you are

>>2419866
France BTFO'd

will they ever recover?

>>24229987
>Norman speak French
>Norman have the French culture
>Norman sang the Song of Roland(French National Poem) during the Battle of Hastings
>Norman and French are the same DNA wise (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4795055/)
>William the conqueror called himself and his men Frencisce
>People refered to them as Franci
>Somehow Norman aren't French


It show how crazy Anglos are

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This Jealousy on this board about France is impressive seriously.

That feel when I'm French as fuck, but since I have foreign ancestry, if I ever achieved anything notable all you retarded /pol/tards would be going "hurr he's actually German".

On behalf of Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, and Napoleon, go suck a dick.

>>2423179
what's there to be jealous about? Appropiating foreign people as your own luminaries?
(to be fair, most nations did at one point in their history, it's not an entirely french phenomenon)

I guess all talented people wished to go to France. Later America took over that role.

Greatness attracts greatness.

>>2422804
>>2423028

Written by an Anglo-Saxon for Anglo-Saxons. The English called the Normans "French" initially, but the Normans themselves had a separate identity.

>>2423320
>Aseparate identity in which they sing the French National Epic when they go to Battle
>In which they describe themselves as French and speak a French dialect
>This separatism went as far as to copy the DNA of the French

Totally not linked to French, 100% Bur Anglos !

The Germaboos in this thread...

>>2422955
>>2422969
>>2423015
You sound pretty desperate m8
And I say that as a fellow Brit

>>2422963
>Normans almost always refered to themselves as Normans

Only when among other French (they refered to themselves as French when among non-French) and entirely for political reason (they wanted autonomy from the French crown).
Claiming they weren't French because of that is like claiming that Bavarians weren't Germans or that Catalonians aren't Spanish

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>>2420420
What is exactly "100% ethnic french"

>>2423508
Bavarians and especially Catalonians actually have more cultural distinctiveness than the Normans, who basically spoke Parisian French with a couple of different regional words.

>>2423179
It's mostly only Brits who ever argue that Normans weren't French
It happens often on /int/, but they give up rapidely (unlike here) when they start to have people from all over the world arguing against them and calling them butthurt
This board really needs flags

>>2423510
Those aren't ethnicities, it's some autism based on sketchy genetic studies.

Stop using "ethnicity" wrong.

>>2423518
This is a recent development though. Brits didn't use to be this butthurt about France ironically until the mid 20th century or so. That's when they started to get into this delusion about Normans not being French. When you read older British literature they have no problem calling them French and talking about the French conquest and the French lords and everything.

Brits are more butthurt at France today than they were back when France was their arch nemesis, let that sink in.

>>2423510
>a meme map prevail over SNPs

Go back when you learn about autosomal DNA

>>2423517
Yeah that's what always gets me, Bretons and Gascons are less French than Normans by the arguments of dialects and genetics. Yet no one argues they are French at this point because they didn't happen to conquer England while being vassals of King of France.

>>2423220
>what's there to be jealous about? Appropiating foreign people as your own luminaries?
That is basically 99% of Englands history they had about 2 decent Anglo Kings whos accomplishment is kicking out foreign raiders from their homeland.

At least France had a French/Frankish Kings for about 80-90% of its existence and they routinely had great military victories.

>>2419784
>Charlemagne/Karel de Grote was Dutch

kys

>>2422560
m8 the french outbreed the normans in normandy and the normans just became french after a few generations, they spoke french, they were called french by the britons, that's simple.

>>2420800
>Normans
>Germanic

LOL

>>2422560
Yeah, and I guess the Portuguese were Vikings 3.0
After all they sailed to places and conquered stuff too

The Normans had nothing to do with Scandis
Their way of life was different, but hell, even their way of waging war that entirely different of the Scandinavian one and very similar yo the French one (which is why they could conquer England when vikings failed)

>>2423518
>This board really needs flags

NO
NO
IM POL SERIOUSLY NO DONT

>>2423510

>source

none

>>2423745
t. Brit who want to continue to express his butthurt on /his/ and call anyone who opposes him "French"

>>2423776

Shut up, Louis.

>>2423508
>Only when among other French
see
>>2422888
>Norman is the term overwhelmingly used by [...] the two earliest Norman chroniclers of the conquest

>>2423411
>French National Epic
Nope, the song of Roland was popular in many European countries.

>dialect
>DNA

irrelevant

>>2422998

>>2423798
A song written in French, mate.

>>2419866
I'm partly German now

>>2423798
>Nope, the song of Roland was popular in many European countries.
Okay
You're obviously shitposting

>>2419806
>WIJ

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>>2420158
Holy shit am I French?

>>2420166
Noice try abo lover

>>2420292
Wasn't he of Dutch ancestry though?

>>2420171
African countries are self reported

>>2420221
this image made me kek irl

>>2425006
>KÖNIGE

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>>2419846
Dutch evolved from Salian Frankish.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankish_language#Influence_on_Old_French_and_Middle_Latin

>French- Frankish- Dutch
>blanc blank - blank
>bleu - blao- blauw
>bourg-burg-burg
>broyer-brekan-breken
>dérober-robon-roven
>gant- want- want
>jardin-gardo-gaard
>maint-menigþa-menigte
>maréchal-marhskalk-maarschalk
>etc.

>>2425934
His paternal grandfather. Yes

>>2425006
WAREN