Why doesn't anyone speak Latin anymore? It's such

vatican 2?

people never stopped speaking Latin the language just changed

>>2416613
Both my parents took Latin in highschool, but they could only speak it in the sense they memorized prayers and could translate in the same way modern Americans can translate their books in high school Spanish

>>2416613
Salve amici

Apellebo anonus magnus

>>2416646
>tfw Latin isn't taught in American high schools anymore
Feels bad man. Now it's just French, German and of course Spanish.

>>2416613
Because we don't know what latin sounds like really...

>>2416618
/thread

Does it help me make money?

>>2416761
It'll make you look smart around friends and other people.

>>2416762

But wouldn't learning Mandarin accomplish the same thing, and be more relevant to the modern world?

>>2416765
Probably. Although learning Latin would probably be easier for an English speaker just because there's more of a connection then with Mandarin.

>>2416733
My American highschool had a University Classics Professor teaching Latin. It was the most fun I've ever had at academia.

>>2416765
Would you rather read some rice-eater's ramblings or the greatest minds of Western Civilization?

>>2417241
terrible post

>>2417320
Eat your puppies Chung Lao

>>2416765
Not really, Mandarin doesn't have the same aura as Latin

>>2417336
>aura mattering more than use

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>>2416613
Ancient Greek is better to be honest. Even the Romans preferred it.
>tfw you see a perfect passive conjugation
>it's a single word

>>2416613
>It's such a beautiful language
Modern latin is, Roman latin sounds like guttural shit

>>2417359

weeni weedi weechi

>>2417385
/w/ for V is very ugly, yes, but it makes sense since it's just the consonantal counterpart of its usage as a vowel.

People didn't stop speaking it it just evolved into French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian, etc.

It evolved in a series of different languages, the so called romance languages. The Catholic Church (dunno about Orthodox but they probably don't) still uses Latin for its laws and as an internal lingua franca.
Until a few decades ago normal people could come in contact with Latin going to mass, then when Latin mass was scrapped in favour of localized versions only certain kinds of high school remained teaching Latin. My high school Latin teacher could fluently converse in Latinwith her daughter, but they were an exceptional case (the daughter was autistic and the mother really dedicated). Nowadays the Latin of our forefathers is, sadly, a dying language.

>>2416613
If you really want to hear the closest thing to Latin today, take a trip to Sardinia.

>>2416613
>It's such a beautiful language

Until you realise how it was actually pronounced and realise you sound like an drooling retard.

>>2416647
salvete mate, plural

>>2417385
Romans always pronounced C as K

>>2418430
There's no real consensus on the pronunciation though

>>2418476
Yeah there is.

>>2418476
Except there is?

>>2418478
>>2418479
No. There are two different ones and either of them is actually close to the real thing. Church Latin is thought to be based on medieval vulgar Latin but retains more ancient elements. Classical neo Latin is based on the German school of Latin pronunciation. The debate is far from closed.

>>2416644
>people never stopped speaking Latin
Except they did.Linguistically speaking, the language is dead. You are thinking of the Romance languages. Italian, Romanian, Spanish, French etc. Those are not Latin.

>>2418605
Can you tell me when exactly they stopped speaking Latin and started speaking Romance languages

>>2418605
It's not dead

It probably has more speakers compared to Esperanto

I knew a really pretty chick in high school who could speak the language fluently

I remember she said she had Romanian grand-parents

>>2418613
"To some scholars, this suggests the form of Vulgar Latin that evolved into the Romance languages was around during the time of the Roman Empire (from the end of the first century BC), and was spoken alongside the written Classical Latin which was reserved for official and formal occasions. Other scholars argue that the distinctions are more rightly viewed as indicative of sociolinguistic and register differences normally found within any language. Both were mutually intelligible as one and the same language, which was true until the second half of the 7th century. However, within two hundred years Latin became a dead language since "the Romanized people of Europe could no longer understand texts that were read aloud or recited to them,"[8] i.e. Latin had ceased to be a first language and became a foreign language that had to be learned."
>>2418618
I mean dead as in it didn't see significant continuous use from when it first appeared to today.

>>2416733
Depends on the high school man. Mine still has it, and I only graduated relatively recently.

I don't like spoken Latin very much, I think it's much better as a written tongue. Maybe it's because of how I experienced it mainly through books/prayers/science, but it doesn't seem fit for everyday use.

Nowadays there are some groups of Latin fans who gather every year or so and spend a couple of days speaking Latin only.

>>2417385
Weenie willy wanky.

I came, I saw, I came again.

>>2418620
Literally the only difference between Italian and Latin is words ending in "I" and "o" instead of "us" and "um" and a few other tweaks. I seem to recall reading that informal vernacular Latin did something similar.

>>2419154
>literally the only difference between Italian and Latin is words ending in "I" and "o" instead of "us" and "um" and a few other tweaks

And the 10 other forms a noun could take in Latin are gone in Italian

>>2416613
t. doesn't know Latin

>>2416733

What American high schools are you talking about? I graduated in 2005 and we had Latin at my high school.

>>2419154
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

The Latin roots of much of Italian's vocabulary are pretty transparent, but grammatically -- no. It's much closer to the other modern Romance languages than to Latin, and that's immediately apparent to anyone with even superficial knowledge of the two languages.

>>2419154
>what is grammar
There was a massive overhaul in the verb conjugation. Passive is gone, most subjunctive forms are gone, perfect is gone, etc. The noun cases have totally disappeared too.

>>2419154
Italian has more superficial etymological similarities with latin than anything else. Romanian is closer to latin than the Italian dialects.

I met a guy earlier who spoke Latin pretty fluently. It was very impressive. Plus he knows English, Swedish, Russian and a few more.

>>2420041
how the fuck do you speak Latin fluently? who do you practice with?

>>2417241
Languages of Western Civilization:
Ancient Greek
Latin
English
French
Italian
German

Spanish is obviously the successor of latin.

>>2417383
>Roman latin sounds like guttural shit
I don't think you know what guttural means. There was nothing guttural about Latin.

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>>2418618
>I remember she said she had Romanian grand-parents

>>2420105
Sardinian is the closest you can get, their isolation preserved many features of latin that languages such as italian or spanish lost

>>2420084
im sorry, for your iuncultured upbringing, philestine.

>>2419416
>Passive is gone, most subjunctive forms are gone, perfect is gone, etc. The noun cases have totally disappeared too.
ITT: things that never happened.

>>2420206
Not that guy, but noun cases are not a thing in Italian

>>2420125
>iuncultured philestine
Why even live.

glad to see we all agree Italian is the successor of Latin

>>2420211
Noun cases have mostly but not totally disappeared.

>>2416613
Limited vocabulary and unsuitability for expressing nuanced thought.

Sounds fucking majestic, though.

>>2418618
>It probably has more speakers compared to Esperanto

That's setting the bar pretty low.

>>2420315
So does Klingon.

>>2416613
It really is, amicus meus.

>>2417383
What on earth are you talking about? There's nothing guttural about it.

Tu est animici meum.

>>2420388
Lmao at this pleb trying to write Latin hahahahhaha

>>2420388
>Animici
Lmao

I can speak hillbilly Latin (spanish and french) am I patrician yet

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>>2420330
tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'pu' law' latin Hol jatlhwI'pu' puS!

>>2418613
can you say exactly when you stopped being a child and became an adult

>>2420388
>Tu est
HAHAHHAHAHAHHA
LOL
O
L

>>2420426
>>2420433
>>2420613

Well correct me you guys. GEEZ. Don't just gawk. Wasn't the point of the thread that people should speak Latin? So? Teach me some Latin!

>>2417348
Perception is power

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>>2420617
>tfw you try to act all smart on the internet and it backfires

>>2420206
Italians does not have a conjugated passive or perfect. They're done using auxiliary verbs now. Latin also had subjunctive for more tenses than Italian.

>>2420619
Not trying to act smart. I'm trying to seize a rare opportunity to use my high school Latin.

You're projecting what would be your motivations on me.

>>2420620
>La pizza è mangiata da Mario.
Mangiata is a perfect passive in that sentence.

Just because a conjugated perfect passive is used with an auxiliary verb doesn't mean it is not a conjugated perfect passive.

>>2420640
The loss of the conjugated forms is a large change in grammar between classical Latin and Italian, which was the entire point of the response to >>2419154

But you're right that I should have specified what I was talking about more clearly.

>>2420660
>The loss of the conjugated forms is a large change in grammar between classical Latin and Italian
Except conjugated forms have not completely disappeared. You should've said conjugation has largely disappeared and left it at that.

>>2420673
I didn't say all conjugated forms have disappeared. I said that the Latin perfect tense, passive voice, and most of the subjunctive disappeared. You're grasping at straws here.

>>2420689

See
>>2420673
>loss of the conjugated forms

See also
>Passive is gone
>perfect is gone

All of which are wrong.

So is
>>2419416
>The noun cases have totally disappeared too.
Again completely wrong, things which were demonstrated to you in this very thread.

>>2418476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_enn7NIo-S0

>>2420710
>Again completely wrong, things which were demonstrated to you in this very thread.
Where?

>>2416618
this is accurate

>>2419241
>>2419302
>>2419416
>>2419454
So basically just a dumbed down version of Latin. Got it.

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Ancient Greek is better tbqhwyf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jnHuiB_5M

>>2422428
Greek is such a patrician sounding language

>>2416613
Why doesn't anyone speak Anglo-Saxon or Sanskrit? Languages change over time and develop into new languages.

>>2422469
Agreed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvVWiDsPWQ&

>>2418415
the main difference between orthodox and catholic is language, orthodox uses greek

>>2422428
Why does it sound like fucking Polish

>>2422510
It doesn't sound like Polish. It sounds like old Greek.

>>2422510
it doesnt

>>2420628
tu est is unnecessary just say es (sum, es, est, etc.)

>>2422510
kek that's what I thought.

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>>2422528
es being the second person implies the you

>>2416613
It evolved into Italian.

>>2422496

This sounds alooot like Swedish

>>2417320
Fuck off reddit

>>2416613
Because u r gay

>>2420503
Exactly his point

>>2417385
>>2418435
Exactly, Classical Latin is superior.

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>>2417383
Stay mad, it will forever be
>Kikero
>Kaesar

>>2419154
Quae te tam laeta tulerunt saecula?

>>2416613
tu Latinam loqui potes, si cupis. Nemo te prohibet.

>>2416613
It evolved.

Romance languages are literally dialects of latin. Also latin is still spoken today but it is not acquired like normal languages.

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>>2423415
>...trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected.

Nice lowercase letters faggots

>>2423394

Lad, possum takes an infinitive.

>>2423415
you might as well say that Latin is just a dialect of Indo-European.

>>2423656
'loqui' is the infinitive. 'loquor' is a deponent verb.

>>2422418
The density of this individual shocks me. Why do you take pride in being a bloody ignorant?

>>2423509
They are dialects of latin. It is not trolling senpai. I am studying linguistics plx.

>>2417385
weeni :DDDD

>>2416733
I went to a high school where the options were Spanish, French, and Japanese.

There was strong weeb presence, of course.