Why did Stalins "Not one step backwards" order work,

Not one step back was repealed after 3 months and had a negative effect on morale as well as the blocking regiments being a waste of manpower.

>>2414023
I mean the whole
"lets gun down fleeing troops" part anyway

>>2414023
I thought it was quite crucial in halting the nazi advance?

>>2414028

Enemy at the Gates isn't real

>>2414028
it was a meme based on rare events or disinterpration anyway, just like Polish cavalry charges, Kosher soaps or Pope blessing Wermacht weapons

>>2414006
Not one step backwards was on a tactical infantry level, literally, do not retreat you stupid rifleman.

Stand and die was on a strategic level, literally, get all the forces onto the frontline, ALL OF THEM. Oh whats that, they're behind us and there is no reinforcements???

>>2414043
Each army was required to maintain a blocking detachment which was supposed to kill or capture any friendly troops who fled.

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>>2414028
>>2414006
I don't see how order 227 "worked" all it did was contribute to the already incredible Russian death toll and demoralized the men especially the barrier troops.

nobody joins a war expecting to have to gun down your own brothers in arms. This is why the order lasted like 3 months

>>2414006
What the fuck is the "stand and die" order?

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>>2414094
Adolf Hitler ordered that they shouldn't retreat as the enemy were inferior and it was disgraceful that a superior race would run away

>>2414028
It's a fucking meme
"Enemy at the gates" and /pol/ infographics are not credible sources

>>2414006
Not one Step Back was repealed pretty quickly after it was shown that it didn't work, the Soviets learned from their mistakes in the war and changed tactics where it made sense, such as gutting the power of the political commissars and leaving control of military operations to the generals rather than party officials.

Hitler almost never learned from his mistakes, with his hard line to never retreat from the frontline and holding positions to the last man just ended with encirclements and surrenders, with Soviet encirclements easily removing 1/5 of the Wehrmacht's manpower throughout the war, and led to the outright annihilation of entire formations such as the 6th Army.

Hitler wanted to assume personal command of military operations, with his word often superseding that of this Generals until command was given back to Manstein in March of 1943, but by that time, there was really nothing the Wehrmacht could do to hold back the Soviets with what little oil and other resources were left after 2 years of war in the USSR.

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>>2414043
Ya enemy at the gates isn't real because you take a famous figure and Hollywood that shit up to the point were almost all of the events from the movie didnt happen but he was still a famous sniper, but the execution of the men if they fled is fucking real. Stalin purged his officers and fucking killed millions of his own people. Only Slavaboo LARPers or College Commies will say it didn't.

Wasn't Order No. 227 basically Commissary telling people that the USSR isn't endless, so stop fucking retreating? Plus the whole creation of penal battalions.

IIRC The blocking units were dropped after 3 months, but the rest remained.

Hitler's order did work. But with the world's main super power (Britain) and two new upcoming superpowers against you, it is remarkable and a credit to German greatness that they lasted so long. It goes to show that the greatness of the Deutschevolk is eternal.

>>2414225
>but the execution of the men if they fled is fucking real

Yup, but so are Polish cavalry charges. Thing they were not a common thing.

>>2414006
Reminder that soviets won only because of numbers advantage, you can't name a single good general or strategic decision made by soviets, they were all "we have more men than they have bullets"

>>2414272
Still mad germany

>>2414272
deep battle was the perfect strategy for the situation (loads of manpower and ground, logistical problems for the enemy etc)

>>2414276
>killing off as many of your soldiers as possible was the perfect strategy for the situation

>>2414282
>first months of barbarossa = whole eastern front
pidgeon, chess etc

>>2414282
>Tactical Planning is better than Strategic planning

>>2414272
>implying letting the Nazis stretch themselves thin and then slapping them around like little bitches isn't a viable strategy

>>2414288
>be german
>attack ussr
>BTFO soviets for 3 years
>eventually you lose manpower but soviet human waves are still coming in
>be forced to retreat as soviets outnumber you
>muh victory over german agressors

>>2414299
>be Nazi
>invade USSR
>holy shit this place is huge
>empire strikes back
>get so beaten that you have to defend your capital with old men and children
FTFY

>>2414267
>Thing they were not common thing.
Oh ok then so then acts of Terrorism are not a common thing in the US what they happen like twice a year. Its ok then you we just forgive the terrorists people for blowing up a fucking twin towers or the Boston bombing. nahhhh its ok just forget it man. Stalin was good goy ya no just killed his own men pppssshhh forgive and forget right....

>>2414272
What was Operation Bagration?

>>2414315
>be russian
>take pride in defeating an enemy using numbers advantage

>>2414322
>1,6 million soviets vs 1,2 million germans
Try harder

>>2414094
September 1944 Hitler orders no retreat, defend every town and city until the end.

>>2414006

In neither case was there a single 'Not one step back" order. Halting orders were issued by both sides in a variety of instances, and worked well some of the time (Stalingrad, winter 41 offensive) and disastrously at others (1943 for the Germans, opening bouts of Barbarossa for the Soviets.)

>>2414326
>be german
>lose war

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>>2414326
>be german
>lose both world wars you started

>>2414225

Wee deserters shot after being caught and arrested? Yes just like in every army.

Were entire units of unarmed men machine gunned for falling back, while the battle is still happening? No.

>>2414319
Did Doctor dropped you down after the birth or something?

>>2414222
>Hitler wanted to assume personal command of military operations, with his word often superseding that of this Generals until command was given back to Manstein in March of 1943, but by that time, there was really nothing the Wehrmacht could do to hold back the Soviets with what little oil and other resources were left after 2 years of war in the USSR.

Hitlers autism still plagued the German high command well into 1945. The courtland pocket is a prime example.

>>2414299
>BTFO soviets for 3 years

Try 1 1/2. After that is goes down hill fast for Hans.

The Not One Step Back order was created for officers to not be allowed to retreat without permission from higher officers. The reason was that early on in the war, large units were often encircled as troops on the flanks made tactical retreats to overwhelming numbers. The order was given to prevent those retreats to buy time for an orderly retreat rather than a catastrophic encirclement.