Was Plato right about music and its potential negative effect

Everybody knows that music is like a drug and you can tell a lot about a person by their musical taste.

>>2412712
Some musicians are better poets and philasophers than actual poets and philosophers

>>2412712
If the musics good it can effect the society positively if bad the opposite music is more powerful then even Aristotle thinks

>>2412712
Socrates said that, Plato is just quoting him.
He also said that music should be censored, so that "bad" music doesn't influence the public badly.

>>2413711
>>2413711

We don't know what Socrates actually said and where Plato's putting words into his mouth tho.

>>2413718
Do you think anyone would do this? Go under the Stoa Poikile and tell lies?

>>2412712
Music is underrated and hasent been explored even marginally

>>2413727
The last innovative "rock" band to make it to the mainstream was Nirvana.
With music becoming abundant, and everyone having more music than they can listen to thanks to the internet, iPads, and so on, its hard for original acts to grow up and make a difference.

>>2413731
There are some interesting spectre contemporary classical music and of course electronic can be endlessly innovative.The biggest problem is monopolism and corporatism it's a cliche to say but it's very true it's sad that the worst board on this site is /mu/ probably one of the worst places on the Internet tbqmfh.

>>2413742
>corporatism
corporatism in non-existent in America. Corpocracy is, and perhaps that what you meant.

>>2414265
What did he mean by this?

>>2414368
The term corporatism is used by nazi ideologists to mean something else.

No. I hate music and never listen to it and I'm fine. Its just bullshit sounds for normies who can't feel anything unless a string vibrating tells them too.

>>2414391
Every time there's threads about any type of art this kind of post happens and I know you have a favorite song

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>>2414391
>not listening to string theory mongolian wave rave trancism

>>2414391
How many levels of fedora are you on?

If forced yes, if chosen by free will positive correlation to labour output. Plato was newguy

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>>2414391
Preach.

>>2414391
>he likes metal

>>2414436
>not listening to pop fling translucent gargle edgefunk relayism

>>2414426
This

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>>2414391
> we are reaching levels of Fedora that shouldn't even be possible

>>2413663
t. 13 year old girl

>>2415387
t.12 year old Slut
You know it's right name a better philosopher than Bob Dylan in the 60s oh I forgot you can't

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>>2414611
>not listening to underwater blastnoise tripdub witchhouse breakist theorism

>>2415538
t. literal 13 year old girl

ITT: People who think their post-rock shoegaze techno trip-hop dog shit wouldn't be dismissed out of hand by plato

>people listing nirvana, bob dylan as examples of their paragons

Just realized /his/ has the worst music taste of all 4chan.

>>2415606
t.12 year old dyke hog
But name one

>>2415609
You haven't been to /pol/ and your taste is worse

>>2415632
>waahhh he doesn't like NMH

Back to /mu/ with you, literal human filth.

>>2415640
I hate any place that discusses music because of waste duds like you /mu/ is always been horrible but at least those retards are willing to show their bad tastes you don't so I assume your taste is horrible and let's be honest it is

>>2414384
No its a general term within political science. I'd suggest googling neo-corporatism and reading what its about

>>2415632
pol listens to classic and anime music, the fascist ones, like Wagner and Evangelion OST

>>2412712
No music leads to starvation and anarchy.

>Mozi views aesthetics as nearly useless. Unlike Confucius, he holds a distinctive repulsion to any development in ritual music and the fine arts. Mozi takes some whole chapters named "Against Music" (非樂) to discuss this. Though he mentions that he does enjoy and recognize what is pleasant, he sees them of no utilization in terms of governing, or of the benefit of common people. Instead, since development of music involves man's power, it reduces production of food; furthermore, appreciation of music results in less time for administrative works. This overdevelopment eventually results in shortage of food, as well as anarchy. This is because manpower will be diverted from agriculture and other fundamental works towards ostentations. Civilians will eventually imitate the ruler's lusts, making the situation worse. Mozi probably advocated this idea in response to the fact that during the Warring States period, the Zhou king and the aristocrats spent countless time in the development of delicate music while ordinary peasants could hardly meet their subsistence needs. To Mozi, bare necessities are sufficient; resources should be directed to benefit man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohism#Against_ostentation

>>2415687
>Everyone who isn't a social butterfly who circlejerks with me on an anonymous imageboard devoted to anime is trash

Classic /mu/tant, cancerous to the very last breath.

>>2412712
Plato (pbuph) was entirely right about music and it's corrupting effects. By god (swt), one should abstain from any form of these degenerating jingles.

>>2415961
What more could you want?

>>2415965
What where did I mention anime you overweight shit eater lmaooo brush your teeth

>>2415969
What if it's music promoting good values like the artist known as Future?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yGxU4LZvdrk

>>2415957
Wagner is literally the only good artist they like.

>>2413742
>>2413731
Leave the music discussion to /mu/
it might be shit but at least when they DO talk about music they have some knowledge of it

Yes that was probably the most eye opening portion of The Republic, where he talks about certain modes as being inherently inimical to the soul. Very cool.

>>2413721
Are you kidding me? The book is by Plato, starring Socrates. The entire dialogue is fucking fake. It's a way for Plato to express his ideas. A very creative, beautiful way.

>>2417128
No they don't at all the discussions that aren't Asian jingles last about 10 posts with people shitposting like retards it's so easy to trigger those underagers is the the only positive aspect of that broken board.

>>2415961
lol the fedoras are into the stratosphere.

Sacred hymns, folk songs, and military marches should be the only form of music. Recorded music was a mistake.

>>2415961
Interesting didn't he say that all art should be destroyed and the only books around should be on science imagine if that fell thru weww

>>2415969
If it's gods music it should be kept and sacred.If it's demon noise like much of the shit today it can effect your brain in a powerfully negative way

>>2417238
Art is what you make of it.

>>2417178
Popular music is literally just a modern development of folk music.

You may as well say
>We shouldn't make music with technology newer than 1800

>>2413731
Marilyn Manson was pretty good.

As a matter of fact I'd hazard that he was more innovative than Nirvana, even if his ideas didn't ultimately catch on as well.

>>2417240
That's true but the artists sometimes knows exactly what the song is about could be nefarious could be inspiring

>>2417267
It doesn't matter what the artist thinks they know, they didn't do anything if they did it right.

>>2417240
That's exactly what Plato is saying is inherently NOT the case. Complete subjectivity is retarded in general, but NOT Platonic.

>>2417280
Subjectivity for art is a tricky subject

>>2417290
What subjectivity?

>>2417178
>only music dedicated to community, religion and military should be allowed
Spooky

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>>2417284
But Plato is fucking wrong.

Prove you're not a pleb /his/ and post your favourite album of 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPnWLUEWBQc

>>2413731
>nirvana
>innovative

You're either baiting or delusional. If it's the former, here's your (you).

>>2417290
Agreed man. Thank you, it makes me comfortable to think there are some standards in defining good art in general.

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>>2412712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaygOuqL4i4

It probably gives Elephants nightmares

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Post patrician music /his/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y85Er8-5yk

>>2418320
Nazi weeb

>>2412740
Stop it, i know it's you, anthony.

>>2412712
Look at nigs and rap

Threads like this are always horrible

All the problems with the music industry would be solved if intellectual property laws were abolished and more people adopted the name your price indie label model.