>4th Century >christians come to power >pagans ask for

File: 1472447345076.jpg (57KB, 394x477px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 394x477px

Well I mean we could just put down atheists like we put down the pagans.

That's not a bad idea, actually.

Don't recall the 4th century having secular governments

>>2407775
Julian was too good for this world

>>2407787
the church was a power in itself at that point that could muster the mob just as good as any Caesar could, which means they have power when it comes to intercity politics and society. The church as we know it in the medieval era has its roots in the 3rd/4th century. This is the first time we start to see generals and atheist become bishops and start utilizing the church's influence as a separate source of power in society apart from government. Famously you have accounts of bishops standing up to Emperors and Caesars and coming out victorious with the mob on their side. This shift in power set the stage for the central role of the church in unifying medieval europe long after the political structures had fallen apart.

File: 8419826747_cd3de612cb_z.jpg (120KB, 612x612px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 612x612px

>christcucks are pathetic beta faggots who surrender at the first sign of conflict!

>christians are brutal oppressors who rule with an iron fist and smash their adversaries with no remorse!

which is it guys?

>>2407836
The most evil people in the world have been Christian along with some of the greatest.

File: Cn1vR_FVIAAhI7h.jpg large.jpg (181KB, 2048x1280px) Image search: [Google]

181KB, 2048x1280px

>>2407775
>>paganism is effectively wiped from the face of the earth

Not really...you cant really get rid of nature, no matter how many institutions and technologies you might use to suppress or deny it.

Johnathan Bowden describes it aptly...
https://youtu.be/aL3agVbX6K8?t=29m15s

Basically despite most Christians saying theyre Christian, in Practice they act more Pagan than anything. Christianity mostly is just Virtue Signalling, and the few who take it seriously are either dumb, ugly, or autistic.

>>2407775
>2050
>muslims come to power
>christians and atheists demand tolerance
>they are slaughtered
>whitey is wiped out for good
>europe becomes the north caliphate
>yfw

File: paganism.png (456KB, 826x896px) Image search: [Google]

456KB, 826x896px

>>2407849
>the few who take it seriously are either dumb, ugly, or autistic.

pretty rich coming from a guy advocating tree worshiping

>>2407836
It's the one where Christians are colossal hypocrites

>>2407858
To be honest, most of these "neo-pagans" don't know jack shit about paganism. This guy is obviously not a pagan since norse paganism is strictly anti-homosexuality.

>>2407861
all the more reason we need jesus

File: Mutts.jpg (894KB, 1748x1597px) Image search: [Google]

894KB, 1748x1597px

>>2407863
strictly anti-homo eh? how would you know that? did it say it in the pagan bible? oh wait thats right, there is no pagan bible or any other authoritative document for norse paganism because they were illiterate snowniggers and neo-paganism is based on nothing more than the autistic fantasies of 19th century occultists! hahaha

File: 1486019511782.jpg (33KB, 750x1000px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 750x1000px

>>2407877
>if its not explicitly banned in writing, that means it was acceptable!

Abrahamic Logic, everyone.

>>2407877
You know, it's ok to be ignorant about something, but when you try to be sarcastic about something you have no clue of, you just make yourself look like an absolute retard. Read the fucking Hávamál, nigger. It's very clear about the ancient nordic's views on homosexuality.

File: Hide Snowniggers.png (115KB, 1305x893px) Image search: [Google]

115KB, 1305x893px

>>2407899
the havamal was written down by christians in the 13th century you goofball. if you think that it accurately reflects the true beliefs of the ancient nordics then you are really dumb.

>>2407903
You are the one making dumb statements about ancient religions. I mentioned the best source we have showing you're most likely wrong. You can also read the same thing from roman writings about germanic culture.

>>2407775
You mean 5th century.

File: 1423198187358.jpg (10KB, 255x238px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 255x238px

>>2407920
i dunno man maybe you should email [email protected] because she says she hears from odin directly which sounds a lot more reliable than your guesswork from what the romans said. why should people believe that roman junk when we got wise women who the gods talk to themselves??

>>2407936
are you trying to make fun of ancient cults you admittedly no nothing about or just the modern neo-pagan hippies? cause you know, I can say a thing or two about christians too. what's up with that pope of yours kissing muslim feet?

File: Thor's Defender.jpg (67KB, 600x900px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 600x900px

>>2407954
im saying why the heck should we listen to what some dead latinos said when chicks can hear the aesir RIGHT NOW?

>>2407775
>it was ok then
>that means it's ok now!

File: 1473466869177.png (637KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

637KB, 800x600px

>>2407964
Christians are really proud of their stupidity, aren't they?

>>2407964

I dunno.

Why should we listen to what some dead Jews say when there are chicks that claim to be able to speak to God RIGHT NOW?

File: Solas.jpg (47KB, 960x960px) Image search: [Google]

47KB, 960x960px

>>2407996
An individual's personal divine revelation must be measured against what God has already revealed about Himself in the Holy Scriptures.

>>2408005

You have no way of actually assessing whether what the dead Jews wrote was divine revelation or not, any more than you know whether Crazy Sue is actually speaking to God.

File: Kierk.jpg (30KB, 585x350px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 585x350px

>>2408017
I choose to believe the prophets and apostles.

>>2408024

That's not a credible explanation for why someone else should and is staggering hypocrisy given the questions you were just throwing at the pagan losers.

If you can just choose to believe so can they.

>>2408024
Then you're no better than any fedora-wearing Neo-pagan.

Will you deny Christ at the barrel of a gun?

File: Varangin.jpg (5KB, 107x102px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 107x102px

>>2408034
duh they can choose but i was poking fun at them because they dont have any historical documents written from a pagan viewpoint as you can see in this post with the doubles right here

>>2407877
>>2407877

the bible is special because it is really old but i bet you knew that already

anyways i gotta go to bed but i will pray for you

goodnight goofball

>>2408052
>the bible is special because it is really old but i bet you knew that already

So is the Koran.

Goodnight and thanks for praying for me. I don't mind if you want to sacrifice a goat for me as well. :-)

>>2408024
I'm pretty sure that you've never talked to them personally or even read the original texts.
Meaning can change drastically during translation and most versions of the bible went through several translations before you even get your hands on them.

What you think is "the word of god" is what people wrote down from memory thousands of years ago, very likely bringing their own interpretation into it, then translated at least twice over the span of centuries, each time by a person who very likely brought their own agenda into it.

>>2407836
We are pathetic beta faggots who used evil trickery to brutally opress big tall strong pagans

t. Every limp wristed 80 pound skelly with a beer belly, unfortunate facial feauters, beard to cover up the nochin who listens to amon amarth

The only people i know that dont look white are neo pagans, all are unwashed metal heads with long curly hair, one looks like chink and the other looks like a turk, they gather in the woods with some other friends and larp as pagans. Requesting the norse "heathen" compilation.

>I am a real pagan everyone else is a pretentious neo-pagan faggot who don't even really believe in Thur and Oden and Wallhallers
Makes you think.

>>2408085

That's a bad argument. A lot of work has gone into textual criticism of the bible and the better modern bibles are based on direct (and as accurate as possible) translation from early manuscripts.

It's such a shame all that effort and brainpower didn't something more useful.

File: 362365_orig.jpg (133KB, 881x524px) Image search: [Google]

133KB, 881x524px

>Pagans/secularist are innocent
you tell them, sister!

>>2407995

>a few centuries

You mean ten?

>>2408116

Randomly conflating people who have another religion to you and the non-religious is a very bad faith argument.

And many religious people, both past and present, including the Founding Fathers of the US for example, were secularists.

>>2408158
>randomly
you don't know these two men in picture are, do you?

>And many religious people, both past and present, including the Founding Fathers of the US for example, were secularists.
That's not what OP is arguing about. Regardless, we shouldn't assume just because

>>2408192

Obviously I know who Stalin is. I have to admit I don't recognise the sculpture on the right, maybe you could enlighten me in a non-shitposting way.

It was you who used the word secularists, not OP.

>be a Christian
>follow a religion that tells you to be humble, compassionate and specifically tells you not to judge others
>act really arrogant, never put yourself into anyone's shoes and judge others constantly

Is there any group out there more hypocritical and more the antithesis of their own beliefs than Christians on 4chan? Because I honestly can't think of one

>>2407815

The Church didn't have any real political power until the 7th century, where a handful of exceedingly rich and powerful Kings who were essentially Romaboo's wanted to convert, be Roman as possible, and appease the Pope. You are severely overestimating the spread of Christianity via violence in the 4th, 5th, and 6th centuries. Christians set up toll-free waystations, invented the hospital system, and gave away massive amounts of their time and skills in volunteer work in an effort to look as not-Jewish as possible.

>>2407842
>The most evil people in the world have been Christian
Schlomo please.

>>2407775
Proof that sand religion hindered worlds progress

>>2408238

>specifically tells you not to judge others

It doesn't at all.
It says don't judge others if you don't want to be judged yourself.
Christians judged pagans to be non-christian while being quite welcoming of judgement in the same matter.

>>2408340

You're rather rather missing the point of the story, which is that everyone is a sinner and that you should look at your own sins first, if you think you don't have any then you're wrong.

>>2408362
A central belief of Christianity is that it's every Christian's duty to spread the word of God and convert the unfaithful if they can. You would know that if your knowledge went further than Pastor Cletus' Sunday sermons in rural buttfuck, America.

>>2408362

So if someone does think he has plenty of sins and is fine with being judged, he can judge others.

This "don't judge" thing isn't christian, it's just contemporary progressive nonsense, the usual "having standards is evil".

>>2408411
Yeah, totally why the crowd dispersed and Jesus sent the adulteress on her way.

>>2408411

That is not the point of the story at all.

Jesus is not saying "go ahead and stone this bitch to death".

>This "don't judge" thing isn't christian, it's just contemporary progressive nonsense

It's not contemporary, but yes, most certainly modern scholarship has shown the entire passage is likely to be fake and not a part of the original autograph so probably not part of original Christianity.

>>2408401

I've never even been to America.

>>2408419

That's a totally different story in another gospel, you fucking moron. AND it's a late addition to the bible.

>>2408420

"Judge not" is from the sermon on the mount you ignorant fool.

File: 1466281774055.jpg (15KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 400x400px

>>2407775
CHRISTIANITY IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE

>>2407856
If I come to power I'll give christians rights :D

Luckily by being a European Catholic I know that all which survived of pagan traditions is incorporated in my religion.

In fact, it most likely exclusively survived in Catholicism, barring the remnants of paganism in North Eastern Europe.

>>2407858
Vice always seems to find the weirdest shit.

>>2408578
This. Larpy pagans ITT, read Evola's Pagan Imperialism. Catholicism is a revitalization of European religion, in Rome paganism had become a mere superstition, all the upper classes were either converting to other religions or skepticism.

>>2408686

>in Rome paganism had become a mere superstition, all the upper classes were either converting to other religions or skepticism.

This is wrong on every level.
First of all, the upper class wasn't a monolithic entity, there was a spectrum of belief.
Also, there was a difference between the rural pagan beliefs and what the educated class believed more frequently. No, they didn't believe Zeus actually slept around with goddesses but yes, they did believe Zeus was a real being with real influence on the mortal realm and whose favors could be obtained through prayer and whose plans could be understood through divination. Also planets, stars, the world and so on were seen as gods.

>>2408686
Is skepticism the Atheist fedora of their time?

>>2407786
whatchu gonna do nigga? pray about it?

>>2407836
its the same mob mentality. when you are the weak, you covet and serve; when you are the stronger, you fear them becoming a problem and massacre them.

>>2407858
>His boyfriend used to be a woman, his wife used to be a man, and Raven himself used to be a woman
I will never accept transexuality.

>>2408731
source

>>2408779

For which of the claims.

>>2408731
>>2408779
Read Cicero's De Natura Deorum to get a real perspective on an educated Roman patrician's idea concerning paganism. Yes they had all sorts of intellectualized conceptions about the gods, which conceptions would be passed around and changed like clothes. The thing about intellectualized conceptions is that they don't command belief, and ultimately lead to skepticism. Only a fresh revealed religion in Christianity could (and did) revitalize religion in Europe.

>>2407786
Bring it.

>>2408052
What are:
>The GMP
>Grimorium Verum
>Coming Forth by Day
>The Pyramid Texts
>The Coffin Texts
>The Maqlu Texts
>The Lilith incantations
>The Ginza Rba
>The Yazidi Qwele
>Literally every source text for Hindi faiths
>Grimoire of Arthur Gauntlet
>Piles of Neoplatonism
>etc.

>>2408108
I've always found the discussions here on Paganism in general to be facile at best.

>>2408578
>all which survived of pagan traditions is incorporated in my religion
Not particularly but the St. Cyprian texts help.

>>2408731
>First of all, the upper class wasn't a monolithic entity, there was a spectrum of belief.
Moreover, it would seem that devoted cults would wax and wane through cycles of relevance while established mystery cults continued to operate on the periphery more or less uninterrupted until the Christian eras.

>>2408891
>De Natura Deorum
Good, but still a touch late; I'd say a decent source is the procession of designs on funerary containers.

>>2407863
>norse paganism is strictly anti-homosexuality.
Well, "Paganism", or - more aptly - traditional European religion, wasn't really a singular, neat little block like Christian religion is structured. Rather, traditional religion was composed of many non-exclusive sub-categories which served specific spiritual needs with some overlap.

What most people think of as "Paganism" is actually civic theology, just one specific element of traditional religion. This is the sacrifices, the public cults, the domestic cults, etc. This type of theology was amoral - not immoral, but amoral. This theology simply had nothing to say on what was moral or immoral, ethical or unethical. Those questions were outside the purview of civic theology, generally. Rather, questions of ethics and morality, as well as questions of things such as ontology and metaphysics, were in the jurisdiction of natural theology - under which the ancient philosophic traditions should be categorized. Not just that, but "homosexuality" wasn't really an idea that was around in that region at that time. Rather, sexual dynamics were framed as between "those who fuck" and "those who are fucked." The fuckers, aka the ones who penetrate, those who are physically on top during sex, the active participants, those who are receptive during oral sex, etc, are considered masculine. The fucked, aka the ones who are penetrated, are physically on the bottom during sex, the passive participants, those who do the pleasuring during oral sex, etc, are feminine. In Norse society, it was socially taboo to be a man who takes a feminine role during sex but perfectly fine if they took the masculine role, regardless of whether they are having sex with another man or a woman.

TL;DR in Norse society, you were a faggot if you let a woman ride you or ate her pussy, but you were straight as an arrow when fucking another man as long as you were the top.

>>2408891

I've already read it, and if you came out of it thinking cicero doesn't believe in the gods I think you skipped the last sentence of the book.

>>2408891

>Only a fresh revealed religion in Christianity could (and did) revitalize religion in Europe

Religion didn't need any kind of revitalizing, as shown by the fact that it survived for so long after christianity became the religion of the empire.

>>2407877
I normal don't give shit about 'cultural appropriation', syncretism and trading of ideas across countries and people is prefectly natural, but I don't get why someone of convert to the folk religon of a differnt culture of race. I mean you don't get many white hindus, shintoist or taoists, even tough aspects of it get a lot of appreciation from westerners.

File: 1446504704656.gif (2MB, 320x200px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 320x200px

>>2408987
>Hinduism
>source texts
You have some learning to do, buddy

>>2409630
>the vedas and the upanishads don't count.

>>2409687
they don't because Hinduism was not a single faith until a bunch of indigenous religions were lumped together by the British and called Hinduism. That's why belief is so varied and fluid, because it was never a single faith to begin with.

>>2407775
Atheist isn't a group of people
It's an exculsionary category
Scientific pantheism will take over and as we are reminded of our reliance on earth more and more nature worship will make a comeback, I bet ya

>>2407775
It's exactly like your comparison. Christianity was the SJW movement of its time. Preaching peace, love, and everyone is your brother (globalism) but at the same time advocating violent suppression of people you disagree with. They wanted to genocide the pagans, just like SJWs want to genocide the white male.

>>2407775

>atheists come to power

Jokes.

>>2409700
>it wasn't the same religion.
>worship the same or similar gods, have a relatively common corpus of myths that assimilate local cultures over time.
>the books mentioned are large parts of the aforementioned mythology and worldview.

>>2409841
>worship literally a million different gods
>have different cosmologies and origin stories
>point to a few transliterated texts 1000+ years later as the "source" texts of the religion
>Still worship different gods in different ways
>it was the same religion

>>2408578

This is why Catholics aren't Christian

>>2409700
Except I'm referring to specific internal cults, such as the Kaula or the Trika, when I made the reference.

Paganism simply means "non-Christian" or possibly 'folk religion' as opposed to the cosmopolitan acceptance of a given centralized faith.

If the Trika texts don't count for 'pagan' I'd like to know what exactly does.

>>2409900
fair point.

>>2407775
>>atheists come to power
Lol

>>2408578
>Luckily by being a European Catholic I know that all which survived of pagan traditions is incorporated in my religion.

Wrong board, this isn't /x/

>>2409900
>Paganism simply means "non-Christian" or possibly 'folk religion'
Embracing the word "pagan" is like national socialist embracing the word "nazi" or communist embracing the word "commie"

>>2409989
The components of a religion are very much /his/ related.

>>2409859
>million different gods mean million different religions
abrahamics everyone.

>>2410018
Except "pagan" is a preChristian term describing rustic religion rather than an originally Christian denigrating insult.

Your comparison doesn't really fly.

>>2410028
I am not exaggerating. India has more than a million different gods, with the common person only knowing a few dozen. Often times these gods and beliefs are in direct conflict with one another. It is not a religion in the modern sense of the term, though Hinduism likes to see itself as such, and it is better to see it as either n indigenous religious operating like a world religion, or a multiplicity of religions under one umbrella term. Saying Hinduism is one religion is like saying "Native American religion". At least Shinto and Chinese folk religion follows patterns of self-consistency.

>>2407877
Lower bottom right has basically 0 to do with paganism

>>2407775
>Olympic Games are outlawed for over a millennia
>a millennia
Into the trash it goes

>>2408158
>Founding Fathers of the US for example, were secularists
Except not really.
You had catholics and protestants and deists and masons among them.
Each had their own ideas about how religion should function within the country.
But now you have retards trying to quote mine these people to prove that either they wanted them more christian than the bible belt, or they had a USSR-tier hatred of it.
When you take them as some nebulous hive-mind, it's a schizophrenic mess (like any group of smart, diverse individuals), and the only social ideas they had in common were stuff like sodomy being a criminal offense in every one of the thirteen colonies, minus Georgia+Thomas Jefferson advocating for the castration of fags.

>>2410173
It sounds like you don't know what secular means. It doesn't mean irreligious, it means not imposing a state religion. That's it.

Why do critics of paganism (or "folk religion", I like that term), why do critics of paganism claim that if you don't have a textual tradition, you can't have an authentic religious practice?

These folk religions were never "religions of the book", so it sounds like that you are applying abrahamic standards where it doesn't belong.

>>2410603
Where they* don't belong.

>>2410603
>93
What's hilarious is that a LOT of Pagan segments have contemporary surviving textual traditions.

But yeah, their criteria automatically exclude all religions of pre-complex culture as not actually religions.

>>2410623
Ape! Didn't see you there. What's happening?

Greetings aside, their criteria exclude far more than pre-complex culture (in-as-far as any culture could be considered non-complex) and exclude an enormous amount of religions from complex cultures.

>>2410666
>666
Just got done with a two hour midterm on the cultures of main drainage basin of the Amazon; about to move on to the highlands near the Orinoco.

But yeah, the criteria is garbage. It's almost like they want to desperately attempt to find an excuse to paint themselves as the *only* religion by piling on more and more ridiculous hurdles to pass.

File: image.jpg (186KB, 1000x1000px) Image search: [Google]

186KB, 1000x1000px

To me the authoritative source of folk religiosity is the accumulated visionary experience of the wise men and women of the people. It doesn't matter if it's written down or not.

The gods are archetypes. Jung said that the collective unconscious undergoes a kind of "natural selection" much like biological species do, and that they are, in part common to humanity as a whole, and in part specific to each people. They contain the accumulated experiences of the people, and as such it can be tapped into and indefinitely for as long as said people still exist. The persistency of pagan themes and ideas in European Christianity, or Aztec themes in Mexican churches, etc., is perhaps due to more than just proselytizing strategies. I believe that they are truly expressing the archetypes of their collective unconscious. "Paganism" becomes therefore the expression of a people's inner world and organic vision, and as such can never really be erased by convention. It will always resurface again and again in one form or another. And again as such is not really contrary to Christianity or any other religion, it's just archetypes (getting into controversial territory)!

Anyway the only thing I really see being able to destroy a folk religion is globalist monoculture and race mixing.

>>2410762
it contains*
Erased by conversion*

>>2410694
I mean, one of the core tenets of Abrahamic theology is the need to "spread the gospel", which logically leads to one particular outcome, so is it really that surprising they would do or say things that weren't particularly reasonable in defense of their ideology-cum-religion?

That said, what do you think of >>2409542 and the concept of the tripartite division of religion into the subcategories of civic, natural, and mythic theology as defined by Varro in what remains of his Antiquitates rerum humanarum et divinarum?

File: Jung.jpg (49KB, 500x371px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 500x371px

>>2410762
>the accumulated visionary experience of the wise men and women of the people
Your ethnography skills better be up to snuff then, mate.

>Jung said that the collective unconscious undergoes a kind of "natural selection" much like biological species do, and that they are, in part common to humanity as a whole, and in part specific to each people.
Jung also said the spiritual model works better. Pic related.

>becomes therefore the expression of a people's inner world and organic vision, and as such can never really be erased by convention.
You're quite right here, but this only leads to further questions.

>>2410784
>tripartite division of religion into the subcategories of civic, natural, and mythic theology as defined by Varro in what remains of his Antiquitates rerum humanarum et divinarum?
I mean, it's a good enough categorization schema to be used in contemporary academia.

>>2410784
>>2410816
>I mean, it's a good enough categorization schema to be used in contemporary academia.
I'd agree that when most of the Christists think of "Paganism" they're specifically thinking of Middle-Late Roman Imperial State Religion, which is it's own beast even inside all the things it covers (cult of personality, mystery religion, civic system, priesthood, divination, ad infinitum), but that's not the only ball in play here.

At the end of the day we can carve practices however we like, they'll only be relevant insomuch as we can get metaphysical mileage out of them, or practical applications derived through them.

>>2410816

I didn't know it was popular in contemporary academia. However, I do think that this schema would definitely help westerners tremendously to understand religion in the east and in their own past. The Christian idea of people belonging to "A Religion" has led to a lot of confusion over how to classify the religious views of those above groups. I've seen people claim that traditional religion in the Roman world was dead by the birth of Christianity, many having moved on to mystery religions, apparently unaware that mystery religions were a component of traditional Roman religion and that membership of a mystery cult in no way precluded participation in civic cults, and neither excluded adherence to philosophic teaching. Likewise, westerners seem to have trouble defining eg Chinese religion because they see Taoism and Confucianism as proper religions to traditional Chinese religion's sort of "primitive" and "entropic" nature, and further get confused over the fact that both Taoism and Confucianism are also philosophies. If they understood the tripartite categorization of religion (and dropped the Christian fabrications of "lesser" or "primitive" religions) they'd understand that TCR is one part of Chinese religion and Chinese philosophy is another part.

>>2407775
The irony so that it would be ME that gets banned by the mods for calling OP what he is, while he is free to shitpost all day long.

>>2410952
>I didn't know it was popular in contemporary academia.
Popular may be a strong word but it's hard to get through a Roman Art History/Archaeology course without having to parse out what state religion is compared to Etruscan and Greek forerunners.

>that membership of a mystery cult in no way precluded participation in civic cults, and neither excluded adherence to philosophic teaching.
The same holds true in the East; Abhinavagupta was trained by Buddhists as well as Saivsists.

>religion because they see Taoism and Confucianism as proper religions to traditional Chinese religion's sort of "primitive" and "entropic" nature, and further get confused over the fact that both Taoism and Confucianism are also philosophies.
I also like watching folks getting tripped up by dual adherence; Confucian Buddhists or Buddhist Daoists or any permutation thereof.

>>2410066
>common person knows a few dozen
no, the common person knows that there are a lot of gods but is generally concerned with his own particular family deity.

The actual rituals for temples are pretty complex and are generally set in stone, from the actual vedic rituals to the requirement of a priest. Regional variations exist, because India is a vast country and hinduism is very syncretic.

>shinto and chinese are internally self consistent.
And so is hinduism. It's just that you assume that because there are 330 million gods they must be a different religion.

>>2410977
>Popular may be a strong word but it's hard to get through a Roman Art History/Archaeology course without having to parse out what state religion is compared to Etruscan and Greek forerunners.
Unfortunately, I have had the good auspices to go to college here in the Good Ol' United States of FREEDOM! (Maybe one day I'll be able to afford to go through higher education), so I don't really know too much about the state of academia on the subject.

>The same holds true in the East; Abhinavagupta was trained by Buddhists as well as Saivsists.
I personally think the tripartite division is pretty much a universal religious structure (on a very general level, and perhaps not even a tripartite division; perhaps it would be more apt to say that the concept of multiple different types of spiritual paths and traditions that are complementary to one-another and serve different spiritual needs, altogether forming what we could call religion is universal or mostly so). Although I would categorize Buddhism and Saivism together as philosophies rather than in different categories, your example does make a further point that, much like between categories, non-Christian religious traditions were not inherently exclusive even within a given category. You can see this in civic theology with the illustrious example of adopting foreign gods into a pantheon or adopting a new ritual or activity, but you also saw many instances of people adopting positions and concepts from multiple philosophic traditions to inform their own personal philosophy.

>>2411105
>I have had the good auspices
*I have not had the good auspices

File: john duncan.jpg (252KB, 492x600px) Image search: [Google]

252KB, 492x600px

>>2408987
a heap of dusty old corpses that only losers take seriously

>>2408543
thanks bro.

>>2407775
>these people of the 20th century share this one nominal trait with those people of the 4th century, therefore if they do not abide by 4th century's rules they are hypocrites

>>2407775
>>>atheists come to power

This is not true though, secularists have come to power. But nearly all elected officials in the US profess a religion.

Also that's a false equivalence because paganism is an evil and destructive and Christianity is compassionate and enlightening.

>>2412818
>paganism is an evil and destructive [force]
Then you'd have no problem giving a breakdown of the ethical systems of various nonChristian faiths to support your assertion?

>>2412770
Yeah, all those historians who study them sure are losers.

>>2407775

>After century of persecution(murder, rape, torture)
>Christians come to power
>pagans rip what they sowed

HOW FUCKING LAUGHABLE YOUR SHIT RELIGION IS LMAO

BASED CHRISTIANS SUFFERED HUNDRED OF YEARS OF PERSECUTION BUT NONE OF THEM COWERED WHILE A FEW TEN YEARS OF ECONOMIC PERSECUTION BY HIS HOLINESS BASED THEODOSIUS LITERALLY KILLED PAGKEKISM BEYOND REPAIR HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>>2414007
>suppressed for a couple hundred years from the creation of the religion to coming into international power
>hold a 1700 year grudge about it while suppressing other faiths much harder than you were suppressed, to the point of wiping many of them off the face of the earth

IJS I'm gonna have me some fun when the pendulum swings back around.

>>2414019
>PAGKEKISM
I don't know any serious pagans who are kekites, and no kekite I've seen can hold a coherent conversation on pagan historicity.

And if it's broke beyond repair, why can I access, study, and practice the source texts I referenced earlier in the thread?

>>2414007
christians weren't persecuted it's a myth / lie

>>2414026
No, it's not, there were a number of serious suppressions, from Nero and then intermittently for a while afterward, but it was indeed sporadic, often political, and many of the late reports were rumor, conflation, or hyperbole.

>>2414021
>pendulum swings back around
It will never happen tho

Meanwhile
>Be atheicuck
>Apostasy
>Get raped by muslims

>>2414025
You can't write "C-UCK" on 4chan it change into "KEK"

I wrote PAGC-UCKISM

>>2414038
>screeching KUK at everything you don't like on a history imageboard
You sound fun.

>>2414033
>>2414026
>What are the Acta Martyrum ?

We have countless sources on Christian persecutions and even today Christians are the most persecuted people on this planet.

We survived every persecutions, while numerous civilizations died by our hands, and we also watched the death of countless civilizations like today we're watching the death of the godless West, anyway, we're the chosen race and a holy people, we're eternal.

>>2414080
>even today Christians are the most persecuted people on this planet.
For fucking real mate?
When's the last time your bodies choked the Orinoco? When's the last time you were denied a job for your religion, because the last time I was (At Christian hands) is still pretty fresh in my mind.

>>2414080
In the 313 years of christianity before the Edict of Milan, christians were persecuted for a total of 10 years, and they basically deserved it since they were treasonous and rebellious. Christianity has been successfully resisted by many states and effectively wiped out from others because christianity never spreads on its merits, of which there are none, but by political machinations and the sword, but by all means keep believing in your victim fantasy.

>>2407775
Because atheism isn't a religion.

Although some people treat it as such

>>2407775
>atheists come to power
Wake me up with the atheists come to power.

t. USA

>>2407842
>evil people

Are you 12?

>>2414086
Lol this guy thinks losing his job in a western country is comparable to being a minority in a muslim country

>>2414462
Children in Syria have been tortured, maimed and sexually abused by al-Assad's forces and recruited for combat by the rebels fighting to topple him during the country's conflict of almost three years, UN report said in 2014.
https://en.zamanalwsl.net/news/9600.html

>>2414080
Actually, the people that were persecuted were gnostics and such

>>2409542
>letting a woman ride you was seen as taking a dick up the ass as a guy

Good thing those pagan fuck got btfo then.

How to be a holy blessed people filled with goodness and parables.

Step 1, edit a sacred text.
Original: And the rulers of darkness said: Let us make man after our image and likeness.
Forgery: And the lord said: Let us make man after our image and likeness.

See your edit? You are now worshipping and having people worship a dark power

Step 2, expand, murder, kill
Step 3, we science nao, but keep a backup church to keep the newborn and unsuspecting blessed and holy.
Step 4, keep lying a lot.

>>2407786
You are a meme. Your age of power is done, Christian. The way the world is going right now offers two alternatives to Christian hegemony: Secular hegemony where religions co-exist but are frowned upon, or an Islamic world. Guess which one I want.