Why were the Japanese so keen on honorable suicide as compared

>>2405852
>honorable

Shame based society with no other way of regaining their honor than killing themselves.

Europe/Judeo-Christian values are not shame based but guilt based, with ways to mitigate the guilt short of suicide.

>>2405852
The Roman Empire had honor suicides. It happened after that suicide became taboo for theological reasons.

However things such a dueling show that Europeans weren't adverse to risking their lives for honor.

>>2405864
This. Shame is a very external thing to be witnessed by all members of the society. Guilt is very personal and internal and something that you struggle with behind closed doors.

>>2405864
How would you differentiate shame and guilt? External/internal?

>>2405852
To add to
>>2405864
>>2405881
In Western societies, the action of an individual applies almost solely to the individual, whereas the actions of an individual in Japan would reflect on your family as well. Thus you have to do something honorable to spare your failure to be on your family's name.

>>2405902

More precise: There were very material implications as well. An aristocrat commiting seppukku made sure his belongings were inherited to his offspring, whereas his family would be disowned if he refused to do so and kept on resisting the shogun or alike.

Also in Christianity, suicide is a ticket straight to hell, where the evil goat guy would poke your ass with his pitch fork and all that jazz.

>>2405994
>Also in Christianity, suicide is a ticket straight to hell, where the evil goat guy would poke your ass with his pitch fork and all that jazz.
I see someone is only versed on Protestantism.

WE

>>2406013

I was catholic and some decades ago they wouldn't even give people who committed suicide a christian burial.

>>2405994
>where the evil goat guy would poke your ass with his pitch fork and all that jazz

Just to clear up a misconception, nobody actually runs Hell. Devils are there for the same reason sinners are - to be punished.

>>2406031
My point about the devil pitchfork thing. Hell is a state of being.

>>2405888
Sure. How I appear to others v How I feel inside.

Also, Collective/Individual.

>>2406323
It's a lake of fire.

It's actually worse than a pitch black lake of fire where you're alone and can only scream, and hear screaming. Where the fire never goes out, and you never die. Ever.

But there are limits to the language.